> [Original Message] > From: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-D@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/20/2003 9:00:38 PM > Subject: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-D Digest V03 #229 >

> [Original Message] > From: Pam G <pgosl@ev1.net> > To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/22/2003 11:37:07 PM > Subject: [S-H-RTS] Translation Help Thank you > > Thank you so much all for your help in answering my translation request; I appreciate your time!! > Sincerly, Pam G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <reimers@mindspring.com> > To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:06 AM > Subject: [S-H-RTS] Translation > > > > Pam in California wrote: > > > > "Here is a phrase from a marriage certificate for Altona-Hamburg, from > > 1880;s (please excuse misspellings): > > Uls Zeugen tvaren zugezogen und erichienen:" > > > > Pam, the phrase in german is: Als Zeugen waren zugezogen und erschienen. > > You were correct that the phrase refers to witnesses. > > Translated thus: As witnesses these were obliged to appear: (then the names) > > > > Ralph Reimers > > > > > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > > > > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm

Thank you so much all for your help in answering my translation request; I appreciate your time!! Sincerly, Pam G. ----- Original Message ----- From: <reimers@mindspring.com> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:06 AM Subject: [S-H-RTS] Translation > Pam in California wrote: > > "Here is a phrase from a marriage certificate for Altona-Hamburg, from > 1880;s (please excuse misspellings): > Uls Zeugen tvaren zugezogen und erichienen:" > > Pam, the phrase in german is: Als Zeugen waren zugezogen und erschienen. > You were correct that the phrase refers to witnesses. > Translated thus: As witnesses these were obliged to appear: (then the names) > > Ralph Reimers > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > >

List, Would some kind soul with the Germans to America CD kindly do a look-up for the following? A SCHIMKE or SCHIMKA family who emigrated in 1873. John Andre _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)

As we say in the old country, "Wunderbar" !! :-) Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Neuhaus" <elaneu@dnet.net> Don asked that I go into more detail about direct and indirect.

Don asked that I go into more detail about direct and indirect. I was unable to find the FHL International film numbers when I went to FamilySearch which is the website for the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. So one of the volunteers at the FHC that I go to, was kind enough to look up the numbers for me. I have a few pages printed out with the film numbers for "direct" and can give them the ones for the years from 1850 to 1877 otherwise you would have to get them from your nearest FHC. The ones I have are for emigrants leaving from Hamburg Germany. "Direct" international film numbers are those passenger lists for those who left one port in Germany and sailed directly to the US. "Indirect" international film numbers are those passenger list for those who left one port in Germany and arrived in another port such as Havre France. Then they left from there and sailed to the US. For the first ancestor family that I was searching, I found them on the Ships Transcribers list arriving in NY on June 5, 1867. The top of the first page said that the ship sailed from Hamburg to New York. Since I did not know how long they would be at sea, I started looking for my "folks" in April 1867 but then found them leaving Hamburg less than three weeks before their arriving. The second ancestor family that I found, again on the Ships Transcribers list, arrived in NY in June 1872 and the top of the first page said that they left Hamburg and Havre. So when the film I ordered arrives, I will have to allow travel time for them having changed ships. I have been looking at the Ships Transcribers list on the internet for a long time and just recently found my ancestors. They are constantly adding ships to their website and I keep a record of the ones I have looked at so that I don't spend time looking again at the same ships! Both of these families left from Hamburg but there are films for other departing ports in Germany. I plan to eventually order some of those films in the future even though I don't know what ship or ships other ancestors sailed on. Since I know the years they emigrated plus that they came from Germany, I plan to take the time to order and search everything available. My biggest problem is the fact that they do not have printers only film readers at the FHC I go to. But my volunteer friend who helped me find the FHL International numbers, also used her digital camera to film the pages that had my ancestors on them. Any questions? I hope I made the above clear. Another interesting thing I found was that some of the lists departing from Hamburg had emigrants from other countries listed. Example, someone leaving a port in Sweden might have traveled to Hamburg and then from Hamburg to Havre and/or the US. As long as you know the year they emigrated, you might find that they made a few stops along the way. I still have the film for "direct" from Hamburg to the US for 1867. I could probably plan one day next week to look at the film again before returning it to Salt Lake. If that would help someone, I would be glad to do it but I would not be able to print out a copy of the page or pages. I could only try to decipher what I read and then type it to send. Good luck, hope this helps ya'll. Elaine Larson Neuhaus from the north GA mtns. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dwat@cox.net> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] Look up request. > Great idea, Elaine. Perhaps you can go into more detail about "direct" and > "indirect" and even post the direct URL for the FHL at SLC. > > An exhaustive Ships Passenger Lists site is found at > http://members.cox.net/hessen/ships.htm > > which should answer lots of questions, as well as help identify passengers. > > :-) > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine Neuhaus" <elaneu@dnet.net> > My suggestion for you would be to order from FHL the international films for > 1886, order the one for direct first and if you don't find him on that film > then order the one for indirect. > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm > >

Thank you for the information I will look it up in the Family History Center in Manchecter Conn.Will let you know how how I make out. William Noehren ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Neuhaus To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] Look up request. I was lucky that I found two different ancestors on the Ships Passengers List so I knew the year and the place in Germany that they left from. One was direct from Hamburg, the other was from Hamburg to Havre to US. So I ordered the international films for the years. So far I have seen the film for the one direct from Hamburg and it showed that the family was born in Stelle, SH, Germany. I am still waiting for the other film. My suggestion for you would be to order from FHL the international films for 1886, order the one for direct first and if you don't find him on that film then order the one for indirect. Hope this helps and maybe someone else on this list will be able to give you more information. Elaine Larson Neuhaus ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Noehren" <tbncom79@msn.com> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [S-H-RTS] Look up request. > Grandfather Charles H.F.Noehren born 1862 in Schleswig-Holstein.Came to United States in 1886. > I am Passport from Germany and what Port in Germany he sailed from to the US in 1886.Any help > would be greatly appreciated. > William L.Noehren > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm

Thank you Don and Adolf for your information. I will follow up with research in the directions you both suggested. Carol

I was lucky that I found two different ancestors on the Ships Passengers List so I knew the year and the place in Germany that they left from. One was direct from Hamburg, the other was from Hamburg to Havre to US. So I ordered the international films for the years. So far I have seen the film for the one direct from Hamburg and it showed that the family was born in Stelle, SH, Germany. I am still waiting for the other film. My suggestion for you would be to order from FHL the international films for 1886, order the one for direct first and if you don't find him on that film then order the one for indirect. Hope this helps and maybe someone else on this list will be able to give you more information. Elaine Larson Neuhaus ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Noehren" <tbncom79@msn.com> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [S-H-RTS] Look up request. > Grandfather Charles H.F.Noehren born 1862 in Schleswig-Holstein.Came to United States in 1886. > I am Passport from Germany and what Port in Germany he sailed from to the US in 1886.Any help > would be greatly appreciated. > William L.Noehren > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > >

Great idea, Elaine. Perhaps you can go into more detail about "direct" and "indirect" and even post the direct URL for the FHL at SLC. An exhaustive Ships Passenger Lists site is found at http://members.cox.net/hessen/ships.htm which should answer lots of questions, as well as help identify passengers. :-) Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Neuhaus" <elaneu@dnet.net> My suggestion for you would be to order from FHL the international films for 1886, order the one for direct first and if you don't find him on that film then order the one for indirect.

Grandfather Charles H.F.Noehren born 1862 in Schleswig-Holstein.Came to United States in 1886. I am Passport from Germany and what Port in Germany he sailed from to the US in 1886.Any help would be greatly appreciated. William L.Noehren

Pam in California wrote: "Here is a phrase from a marriage certificate for Altona-Hamburg, from 1880;s (please excuse misspellings): Uls Zeugen tvaren zugezogen und erichienen:" Pam, the phrase in german is: Als Zeugen waren zugezogen und erschienen. You were correct that the phrase refers to witnesses. Translated thus: As witnesses these were obliged to appear: (then the names) Ralph Reimers

Here is a phrase from a marriage certificate for Altona-Hamburg, from 1880;s (please excuse misspellings): Uls Zeugen tvaren zugezogen und erichienen: then a name is listed, would this be a witness to the marriage?? This was listed as #3 listing out of 4 , the husband and wife being #1 and #2 respectively. Thanks for any help!! Sincerely, Pam in CA

Liebe Teilnehmer, wer kann weiterhelfen? Vielen Dank Gruß Klaus Riecken www.Riecken-online.de SCHEEL 06 61. Christina Margaretha, 1840 als aus Schönwold/Kirchspiel Flemhude genannt, uneheliche Tochter der Elisabeth Sophia Catharina SELL zu Stampe/Gut Quarnbeck und des Claus Christian SCHEEL aus Preetz oo 13.10.1840 Cai Wilhelm Wriedt 07 122. Claus Christian, aus Preetz, hatte mit Elisabeth Sophia Catharina Sell eine unehel. Tochter,

Liebe Listenteilnehmer, noch einmal frage ich nach WRIEDT: wer kann weitere Angaben machen? Vielen Dank im voraus. Gruß Klaus Riecken www.Riecken-online.de WRIEDT: 04 15. Bertha Dorothea, * Ochsenkoppel 7.10.1870, get. 6.11.1870, + Kiel, 05 30. August Friedrich Wilhelm, * Moorhörn 24.7.1846, get.4.8.1846 Westensee, Gev. Herr Andreas August Haack zu Bredenmoor, Johann Friedrich Wriedt zu Bredenmoor und Elisabeth Sophia Catharina Mohr zu Schönwohld, Arbeitsmann, Streckenwärter, + 24.7.1919 Bordesholm, oo Kl. Königsförde 18.10.1868 Magdalena Sophia Kühl aus Kl.Königsförde, 06 60. Cay Wilhelm, * Felde 7.10.1812, get. Westensee 18.10.1812, Weber, + Moorhörn 28.7.1846, begr. 31.7.1846 in Westensee, er hinterläßt seine bisherige Ehefrau und folgende Kinder: 1 Wilhelmina Louisa *22.06.1839 2 Louise Friederike * 22.08.1841 3 Johanna Sophia Friederike * 29.02.1844 4 ugust Wilhelm Friedrich * 24.07.1846 oo Westensee 13.10.1840 Christina Margaretha Scheel aus Schönwohld, Kirchspiel Flemhude 07 120. Hans Dethleff, Käthner u. Schuster, * 25.7.1787 Felde, get. 26.7.1787 Westensee, lebte noch 1840, oo Felde 26.10.1810 Anna Sophia Catharina Haws, 08 240. Hans Detl. ooII 23.04.1779 Sophia Frieder. Mohr aus Felde Volkszählungsregister Felde/Kirchspiel Westensee 13. Febr. 1803 47. Familie 1 Hans Detlev Wriedt Mann 50 J. in 2. Ehe, Inste mit Land 2 Sophia Friederika Wriedt geb. Mohr Frau 43 J. in 1. Ehe 3 Hans Detlev Wriedt 16 J. 4 Elisabeth Anna Wriedt 10 J. 5 Kai Wilhelm Wriedt 7 J. 6 Christine Wriedt 9 Augusta Wriedt Mutter des Mannes 77 J

Liebe Teilnehmer, Wer kann mit weiterführenden Informationen aus der Region WESTENSEE - BOVENAU helfen? Einen schönen Sonntag wünscht Klaus Riecken www.Riecken-online.de Mein bisheriger Kenntnisstand: WRIEDT: 06 63. Anna Maria Margaretha, * Felde 14.09.1819, oo Felde 14.11.1843 Bendix Friedrich Kühl, Bovenau, 07 126. Bendix Jürgen, * um 1786, + 19.02. bei Felde, begr. 25.02.1851 Westensee, 64 J., Schuster, ooI Margaretha Catharina Bock , 7 Kinder, 08 252. Hans Jürgen, Schuster, oo Dorothea Möller, Volkszälungsregister 13.Febr. 1803 Felde, Kirchspiel Westensee 59. Familie 1 Hans Jürgen Wriedt Hausvater 43J. Halbhufenpächter 2 Anna Dorothea Wriedt geb. Möller dessen Frau 39 J. 3 Sophia Charlotte 17 J. 4 Bendix Jürgen 16 J. 5 Otto Hinrich 13 J. 6 Cai Wilhelm 7 J.

I am trying to locate descendants of Johannes Braack (born in I assume Germany), definitely a seaman and perhaps a Captain, and Alice Simpson, born in Alnwick Parish, Northumberland County, New Brunswick, Canada . Family history says that a German ship came several times to the Miramichi River in New Brunswick, and that Alice left on the ship. I recently discovered that Alice and Johannes were married 15 Aug 1906 in Newcastle-on-Tyne, England. Also know that they had one son Hans Hubert (born May 31st, year unknown but suspect 1907), and that they were living at Schleswig, Stadteg 31 at the time. Unconfirmed family knowledge is that there were three other sons. Nothing has been heard from the family for about 50 years. Any help and suggestions on how to search for these people and their descendants would be much appreciated. I am occasionally in Hamburg on business. All help and suggestions welcome.

Hello Karla, Just double checking if you received my request a couple of weeks ago regarding help with a film lookup, no hurry, but are you able to do a check on one person?? Just let me know if this would be too much. . ....here is a paste of the original message in case you didn't receive it the first time.: Hello Karla, Thanks for your kind offer to help us with German to America film lookups(am I remembering correctly??)This is so very kind of you. Here is the information on my g-grandfather who I would like information on, especially town of origin, if that is available on the film: WILHELM STREESE, Germans to America 1875-1888 Male, Farmer, Unknown last residence, Dest USA, from Bremen, Manifest ID#: 36178, Ship Oder, arrived Aug 13, 1881 Apparently, he had been here before, as he shows a naturalization from the 1871-2 on a census page but I haven't seen any other listings for him in any of the online references or books. in the book, he is accompanied by an Edward STREESE, age 17, an Anthony/Jacob BERNARD, Christopher/Matilde HERRMANN, Emilie MUELLER,and Jacob SCHMIDT. Of course, I do not expect you to check on all these names as well, but they are very much persons of interest if they happen to be on the same location(especially Bernard and Mueller) in the film. Did I remember everything?? Let me know if you have more questions and I would be glad to reimburse any copies if you'd like. ..not sure how you do this. . and whenever you have time. .I imagine you have quite a list of people waiting for help.. . Thank you so much, Pam G. in California

on 10/28/03 3:30 PM, Karla Nurnberg at muessidenn@yahoo.com wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > The list of names that I typed has nothing to do with a website. It is the > index from this little green Heraldry Book at the Family History Library. The > author of the book did some research on the various families in his book. I > will do some copying of these families at your request, but you have to send > me a stamped self-addressed envelope for me to send you a page or pages. With > my work, as a professional researcher for my clients, I do not have time to > translate the pages for you. Please use one of the good online translaters. > > Karla Nurnberg > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The Frequently_Asked_Questions web-site can be found at: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm To whom do I send my inquiry and my self addressed envelope?

Dear Fran, I also have Cort (Kohrt or Cohrt) family from Eckernforde in S-H. I have Christina Magdelena Fr. Cort b. circa 1854 , father Jacob and Regina Wilhelmsen Cort. I believe she emigrated to NYC in the l869s, married William Muller, my great, great uncle in 1973 Manhattan. If you have any more information on the Kohrt family which is an uncommon name, I would love to hear from you. Diane Jacobs New York Subject: [S-H-RTS] surname Kobarg > I'm interested in your posting of the surname Kobarg. My husband's > ggg-grandmother was also a Magdalena Kobarg. She was born in 1799 in > Barkelsbye in the parish of Borby, the daughter of Karl Friedrich Kobarg > and Margaretha Kort (Cohrt, Kohrt, etc.) > > Fran Bumann > > Gerald L Bessler wrote: > > >My great-grandfather, Frederick Bessler, and my great grandmother, > >Madalina Kobarg, came from a town of that name. > > > > > > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >