--- jdbentz <jdbentz@prodigy.net> wrote: > They didn't issue "birth certificates" in > Germany in 1832. If you can > get a copy of the entry in the church record the > answer is yes.....it will > help you immensely......it will probably give you > the name of the parents on > both sides of the family and their place of > residence.....and the names of > the sponsors.....who are very likely relatives. And > their occupations. > John > " > > Hi John Thank you for your reply the information will be a great help. Susan. > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Is "Hansestadt Lübeck" in Schleswig-Holstein? If so, what does the word "Hansestadt" mean? Is Lübeck a town or a region? If this is in Schleswig Holstein, where do I find the records of who lived there in 1852-1872? Thank you, Marlene South Dakota

Lubeck....northeast of Hamburg....was a "free city" in the Hanseatic trading league. It's a very interesting place. Start with Familysearch.org.......I'm pretty sure the Mormons photographed church records there. John

Susan.....I should also have mentioned that if you know the town in S/H....check for census records.....they are available for that period. Census records for S/H often give the entire family and also give you their date and place of birth. If you'll tell me the town you are interested I MIGHT be able to give you the film number. I used them a lot. John

Connie, From which of the Van Hoose lines do you descend from? I descend from Jan Fransse Van Hoesen (Van Husum) through his son, Johannes. Then from Johannes down through his son, Johannes, and then through his daughter, Elizabeth Van Hooser who married Johannes "John" Hagler. If you e-mail me directly, I can give you quite a lot of info on the family, as I have a book published in 1993, and written by Joyce Lindstrom. The book is about 800 pages in length and has a fair amount off historical information on the very first of our generations of the family. Look forward to hearing from you, Sharon Hagler > -----Original Message----- > From: CAnder6241@aol.com [mailto:CAnder6241@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:56 PM > To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [S-H-RTS] Vanhoesen/Vanhoose Family > > My family originated (as far back as anyone can go) to Franz Jan > Vanhoesen...... > I guess my question is....does anyone have any info on that particular family. > They came to the states and have quite a few variations of the name....mine > being Vanhoose. If Von meant administrator....what did Van mean? > Thanks > Connie > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004

Hello Listeners Is there anyone out there who can tell me what information is on a birth certificate from the church books in Hamburg for 1832, as I know the parents I wondered if it will contain more information to help me find out more about the father and mother. Susan. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

My family originated (as far back as anyone can go) to Franz Jan Vanhoesen...... I guess my question is....does anyone have any info on that particular family. They came to the states and have quite a few variations of the name....mine being Vanhoose. If Von meant administrator....what did Van mean? Thanks Connie

Susan, I have a copy of my ggg grandfather's christening record from Buesum (Nov. 1832). It has birth and christening date, both parents' names, where they were from, which child he was (i.e. second legitimate child), the 3 sponsors' names and, if female, who their husbands were and where they were from. Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan oliver" <hodgart@yahoo.com.au> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:12 AM Subject: [S-H-RTS] "1832 Birth Certificates" > > Hello Listeners > > Is there anyone out there who can tell me what > information is on a birth certificate from the church > books in Hamburg for 1832, as I know the parents I > wondered if it will contain more information to help > me find out more about the father and mother. > > Susan. > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm > >

They didn't issue "birth certificates" in Germany in 1832. If you can get a copy of the entry in the church record the answer is yes.....it will help you immensely......it will probably give you the name of the parents on both sides of the family and their place of residence.....and the names of the sponsors.....who are very likely relatives. And their occupations. John "

Hallo Don, Hello Janiece, I should have completed my explanation: oftenly the Truchsess came from the lower nobility (service-nobility) and the job sometimes was descended on the son: Erbtruchsess: erben=inherit The service-nobility arose in the early Middle Ages, sometimes it was possible to climb up into higher regions... mainly it was a poor nobility, but with a good fief these vassals had a good life. Michael

Hello again ,All i know is that one of my maternal ancestors was a kaiserlicher koeniglicher Truchsess and it was explained to me that that was a beamten adel title he also had a von in his name so that would explain administrator, he was an administrator of a castle in bohemia as far as i know.Sorry if i caused a confusion. Waldtraute servus,tschuess,baba austrian by chance, AMERICAN by CHOICE, VIENNESE FOREVER

Thanks Michael If this was the case with my family, then I don't understand how my dad was getting inheritance checks from the time when my family gave up their castle and lands. Vassals don't have castles. Maybe the whole "Truchsess" has nothing to do with our family surname. I just did a search on persons who came to the US through Ellis Island on American Family Immigration, and my dad's name is not there. I know he came here to the US between 1927 and 1930. I checked under Trucks and all similar spellings. Does anyone know of another website with those records? I'm just getting further and further confused. Janiece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kohlhaas" <MKohlhaas@t-online.de> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] Truchsess > Hallo Don, Hello Janiece, > I should have completed my explanation: > oftenly the Truchsess came from the lower nobility (service-nobility) > and the job sometimes was descended on the son: > Erbtruchsess: erben=inherit > > The service-nobility arose in the early Middle Ages, sometimes it > was possible to climb up into higher regions... > mainly it was a poor nobility, but with a good fief these vassals had > a good life. > > Michael > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >

Liebe Familienforscher, über die Probstei fand ich unter http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SCN/Ploen/taillefas.pdf Gruß Klaus Riecken www.Riecken-online.de Skizzen einer Reise nach Holstein besonders der Probstey Preetz J. Taillefas 1817 Inhaltsverzeichnis 1 Allgemeine Bemerkungen über die frühere Geschichte der Probstey 3 2 Gränzen, Flächeninhalt und Volksmenge der Probstey 10 3 Nähere Beschreibung des Bemerkungswerthen der einzelnen Dörfer der Probstey 11 3.1 Kirchspiel Schönberg . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 3.1.1 Schönberg . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 3.1.2 Stackendorf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 3.1.3 Krumbeck . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 3.1.4 Fiefbergen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 3.1.5 Barsbeck . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 3.1.6 Crocau . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 3.1.7 Wisch . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 3.2 Kirchspiel Probsteier - Hagen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17 3.2.1 Fahren . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 3.2.2 Passade . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 3.2.3 Prasdorf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 3.2.4 Lutterbeck . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 3.2.5 Brodersdorf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 3.2.6 Laboe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 3.2.7 Stein . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 3.2.8 Wenddorf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 3.3 Kirchspiel Giekau . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 3.3.1 Bentfeld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 3.3.2 Ratjendorf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 4 Ueber die Landwirthschaft der Probstey 21 5 Beackerungasystem der Probsteier 22 6 Die National-Eigenthümlichkeiten der Probsteier. 23 7 Körperliche Bildung der Probsteier. 24 8 Nationaltracht der Probsteier. 24

Hello, Truchseß (Truchsess) was the chairman of a court-administration (today civil-servant?), as well a supervisor of the dinner-table. etymology: truhtsaesze i.e. [old-Germ.=Germ.=Engl.] truht= Trupp=troop and sazo=sitzen=to sit A supervisor of a little troop. Sasse: a place of possession, yard or a person who lives on a this place Regards Michael

Thanks for the explanation, Michael. It doesn't sound as though Truchsess would be considered a title of nobility, though, if the equivalent is civil servant. Don Buchwald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kohlhaas" <MKohlhaas@t-online.de> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] Truchsess > Hello, > Truchseß (Truchsess) was the chairman of a court-administration > (today civil-servant?), as well a supervisor of the dinner-table. > etymology: truhtsaesze i.e. [old-Germ.=Germ.=Engl.] truht= Trupp=troop > and sazo=sitzen=to sit > A supervisor of a little troop. > Sasse: a place of possession, yard or a person who lives on a this place > > Regards > Michael > > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > >

I've been doing German research (especially German nobility) for about 10 years and I don't ever recall coming across a title of Truchsess. Can you tell me what the equivalent English is? For example, Koenig is King, Koenigin is Queen, Graf is Count or Earl, Graefin is Countess. Or did you mean that Truchsess is a name, like von Buchwald or von Ahlefeldt, etc.? Assuming it is a title of nobility, how would one translate: Franz Eusebius, Graf Truchseß? Does this mean Franz Eusebius was given two titles -- Count and ?? Is Truchsess perhaps more common in Austria? Don Buchwald ----- Original Message ----- From: <Waldtraute@webtv.net> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] I'm searching for.... > Hello,Truchsess is a german title of nobility. > > servus,tschuess,baba austrian by > chance, AMERICAN by CHOICE, > VIENNESE FOREVER > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >

Hi to you Don, I too have the name Buchwald in my chart. Anna Buchwald, *1906 in Slesia now Poland, married Fritz Dase about 1927. Maybe any connections? Best greetings from Schleswig-Holstein, Hans (Hans W. Selken) http://www.genealogy-sh.com/selken http://www.aggsh.de "Don Buchwald" <buchwald@earthlink.net> schrieb: > Hi Janiece, > > In doing my research today, I came across the following website regarding > the Truchsess. Hope this helps: > > http://www.gen.heinz-wember.de/waldburg/ > > Don Buchwald

That's what I thought. But it's also a form of my maiden name. Now I'm starting to figure out how we came by that name. Instead of taking a new surname, my great great great grandfather must have used his title as our new surname. I'm sure he never even thought what a mess that would make in trying to trace our family history centuries later. I"d love to discover who my great great great grandfather was. Thank you. Janiece ----- Original Message ----- From: <Waldtraute@webtv.net> To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] I'm searching for.... > Hello,Truchsess is a german title of nobility. > > servus,tschuess,baba austrian by > chance, AMERICAN by CHOICE, > VIENNESE FOREVER > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >

Hello,Truchsess is a german title of nobility. servus,tschuess,baba austrian by chance, AMERICAN by CHOICE, VIENNESE FOREVER

Hello, following the example of another SH-Roots list user I have transmitted my own family history via a gedcom database to GedBas: http://gedbas.genealogy.net/datenblatt.jsp?nr=68951 Now you will be able to browse through my roots, hopefuly finding any connections! Yours Marc Marc Volquardsen 21357 Bardowick Germany