A big thank You to all who answered my questions about Altona and Hannover. First Michael Kohihaas the site on hamburg is wonderful and I left a message in the guest book I have also book marked the site.Maybe you are right about Granz Storde being Cranz and Stade I did check it again and still come up with the same spelling.My Grandmother was a Metta Nibbe born 1835 and I have found a lot of Nibbe's in Finkenwarder so I am not if there is some connection but I will keep looking, as my Frederick's family had a business in altona is there some way I can find any records that long ago? he was born in 1833, once again thank you for your help. Gail Oss thank you for the history lesson it was very interesting. Regards Susan Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Hi, i have a peter lawson - so perhaps it was Larsen - born 16.4.1843 in Uetersen to Heinrich lawson and Katrina matheson. Can someone tell me how to find more details - such as a birth certificate, or a death cert. for his parents - don't know the date of that though. Also peter arrived in Australia in 1861, perhaps as a sailor on a ship. he states in 1906 that the ship he came on was either the Essex or the Sussex Would anyone know anything about that ship, or how I could find out how he came to be on it - if he was a sailor, are there records anywhere? I would be very grateful for any help Judy lawson

Seeking connections to Maria Dieckmann Lüsing, my great-great-grandmother, who was born Abt 1846 and passed away March 23, 1931. She resided in Rederstall and was buried in Tellingstedt; her obituary stated that she was a teacher's widow (husband unknown). They had four known children: Jacob Felix, Elizabeth, Elsie, and Wilhelmine Lüsing. Felix married Wilhelmine Detlefsen and immigrated to San Francisco, CA; Wilhelmine married George Maack and resided in Blankenese, Hamburg; Elizabeth (my great-grandmother) married a distant cousin, Gustav Lüsing, and immigrated to New York. Other names associated with this family: Hildegard Cohrt, Ernest Ernst, Karl Heinz, Henry and Annie Rau (San Diego, CA) and Peter Jensen (Westside, Iowa). Any information regarding my elusive Dieckmann/Lüsing ancestors would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Martha Bohlinger Lakin

Hello, This is for those requesting info on Danish/German questions. I researched this a year or so ago, and collected some brief statements from various websites. Some of these authors may be reading this on the list! Here's what I've collected (some of which shed light): The reason for that was Denmark had control at that time period. Denmark had control for several hundred years of this area. Changing in the mid 1800's I do not have date in front of me. It also rotated back and forth at various times. Ironically, my German Mother in law, never liked German food but would eat the Danish type food. When I told her family was probably more Danish than German, she was most offended. They are not around to ask so we will never really know. But it does make for a twist in the system.. It is like many other areas that moved boundaries on steady basis. _________________________________________________________ The political history of the area, like much of Europe, has many changes and complications. There was a complete and detailed history of the area posted to this list some months ago. One of the many interesting twists is that at during one period when Schleswig-Holstein was part of Germany the King of Denmark also had the German title of Duke of Schleswig-Holstein. ______________________________________________________________________ _______ One needs to remember that the control of a particular region does not determine one's nationality. There are several good history sites on line. the above is one of them. look at www.rootdigger.de and history and don't forget, countries/areas sometimes changed by marriage or death that time, not only by war... (nice the idea our politicians would follow this old tradition...) In 18th century it was not important to be of German or Danish nation, but to know which king has better rules or tax. Indeed, the history of Denmark/Schleswig/Holstein/Germany is confusing; simple: Holstein belonged to the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations, Schleswig not, but the king of Denmark was as well duke of Holstein, sometimes, this was possible. Or: the Duke of Danish Schleswig became Earl of Holstein and so on... It depends the time you are looking at. Anyhow, the people in Schleswig spoke German and had been subjects of the Danish crown. And the people of Holstein spoke German as well, but the sovereign was a Danish influenced duke, who was member of the Holy Roman Empire...simple... so these people had been subjects of the Danish crown as well and theoretically of the German Nation too. That time the folks did not care about German or Danish.

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At 6:57 PM -0400 20/5/04, Dopreu@aol.com wrote: >Dear Mike, >Thanks for the information about another Preuss from northern Germany (or was >Tondern then in Denmark?). Hi Don, It's very complicated. I suppose Slevig was Danish until about 1656. Then, I think, it became an independent duchy by the treaty of Roskilde. Then there was a war (or a series of armed quarrels between 1700 and 1720) and part of it became Danish again. Lord Palmerston, a British prime minister of Queen Victoria, is supposed to have said about Shleswig-Holstein that he knew of only three men who understood the situation there. One was Prince Albert, who was dead, another was a professor, who went insane, and himself - and he had forgotten. I suppose there are some who are readers of this group who can be more precise about the status of S-H in the years between 1580 and 1650 than I. Regards, Mike King. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Michael King 255 McClellan Road, Ottawa ON K2H 8N7, Canada ( Phone (613) 828-3781 2 Fax (613) 728-1933 + Email miking@sympatico.ca The box said, Win2K or better required....so I bought a Mac

Hello over there, Altona is a very interesting place, Earl Ernst von Schauenburg granted freedom of trade and religion. Altona (all too near) became a place for many refugees that time (from France, Holland, South Germany, Jews). When his son Earl Otto VI died in 1640 the Danish took over and this atmosphere of relative freedom continued, a town of Enlightenment! The people spoke German, they just got a new sovereign; they did not feel German or Danish, this national feeling was a result after the Napoleon wars later on. After the Dainsh war Altona became a German town in 1867 and part of Hamburg in 1937. Perhaps you have found Hamburg? look at: http://international.hamburg.de/index/ Susan, the place Granz Storde is unknown to me. Perhaps you mean Cranz, not so near to Stade, on the other side of the Elbe-river? Indeed kingdom of Hannover that time, now part of Hamburg. Regards Michael 60 miles south of Altona

In October 2003, Peter Voß wrote that the 1803 Census of Rendsburg would be transcribed online ... as soon as possible.... I haven't been able to find it online, so can anyone tell me the URL for it please, if it is available now. Thank you. Beverley

Dear Mike, Thanks for the information about another Preuss from northern Germany (or was Tondern then in Denmark?). I know so little about my ggrand father, Albert, at least until he got to Missouri, that I don't think there's a chance to tie him to Johann. All I know about Albert is that he was suppossed to have a brother, also a flour miller, but I don't know his name. Nonetheless I'm happy to have stirred up some interest. If I find out more I will keep you informed. Maybe someone else out there has some info. . .? Don Preuss, Oklahoma

Please reply to the list on this, as I am interested too. I have a Danish grandfather-in-law who gave Altona as his residence to the Danish authorities when he emigrated to the US in 1891. Thanks, Carol Haycock in Denver > [Original Message] > From: Pam G <pgosl@ev1.net> > To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/19/04 11:42:33 PM > Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] "Altona &Hannover" > > Hello all, > > I have a slightly different question related to this thread, regarding immigrants from the > Altona/Hamburg area, during the time period of Danish rule, did they consider themselves to be > Danish or German, or did it depend on their age, ethnic background, etc. . ?? > > Another question, there seemed to be a fairly high percentage of those from Hannover moving over to > the Altona/Hamburg area in the early 1800's. . .was this more of an ethnic group move or was there > some other political or geographic impetus to cause this?? > > Thanks for any info! Sincerely, Pam G. in CA > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm

Hello all, I have a slightly different question related to this thread, regarding immigrants from the Altona/Hamburg area, during the time period of Danish rule, did they consider themselves to be Danish or German, or did it depend on their age, ethnic background, etc. . ?? Another question, there seemed to be a fairly high percentage of those from Hannover moving over to the Altona/Hamburg area in the early 1800's. . .was this more of an ethnic group move or was there some other political or geographic impetus to cause this?? Thanks for any info! Sincerely, Pam G. in CA

Hi, Bob. I, too, live in Aurora and am searching for information in Altona pre 1891, so I saw your answer. There was quite a discussion on the Danish website about Altona when I was asking about the emigration of my husband's grandfather who was Danish. He had lived in Altona prior to emigrating from Copenhagen in 1891. If I can find the mail, I will send it along to the requester. Just wanted to say hi from Aurora too. Carol Haycock on So. Lansing and Florida. > [Original Message] > From: Robert Tonner <rwtonner@msn.com> > To: <SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/19/04 8:23:13 PM > Subject: Re: [S-H-RTS] "Altona &Hannover" > > Dear Ms. Oliver, Altona is a district in the City of Hamburg. At one time, a long time ago, it was a small separate village. Use your search engine to find out about Hamburg. The city does have its own web site and I believe it is in english also. Good luck, bob in Aurora, Colorado,USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: susan oliver<mailto:hodgart@yahoo.com.au> > To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@ro otsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:06 AM > Subject: [S-H-RTS] "Altona &Hannover" > > > Hello To Everyone > Could someone help me with any information on Altona > Hamberg as to what kind of place it is or if I can > find a web site for it.Also would anyone know about > Granz Storde Hannover as it is the Birthplace of my > GGGrandmother Metta Nibbe in 1832 and is on her > marriage certificate which took place in Australia in > 1856. > Would be most appreciate for any help. > Susan > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com<http://au.movies.yahoo.com/> > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm<http://www.genealogy-sh.c om/faq-sh-roots/index.htm> > > > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm

Dear Ms. Oliver, Altona is a district in the City of Hamburg. At one time, a long time ago, it was a small separate village. Use your search engine to find out about Hamburg. The city does have its own web site and I believe it is in english also. Good luck, bob in Aurora, Colorado,USA ----- Original Message ----- From: susan oliver<mailto:hodgart@yahoo.com.au> To: SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:06 AM Subject: [S-H-RTS] "Altona &Hannover" Hello To Everyone Could someone help me with any information on Altona Hamberg as to what kind of place it is or if I can find a web site for it.Also would anyone know about Granz Storde Hannover as it is the Birthplace of my GGGrandmother Metta Nibbe in 1832 and is on her marriage certificate which took place in Australia in 1856. Would be most appreciate for any help. Susan Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com<http://au.movies.yahoo.com/> ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm<http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm>

Hello To Everyone Could someone help me with any information on Altona Hamberg as to what kind of place it is or if I can find a web site for it.Also would anyone know about Granz Storde Hannover as it is the Birthplace of my GGGrandmother Metta Nibbe in 1832 and is on her marriage certificate which took place in Australia in 1856. Would be most appreciate for any help. Susan Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

> Liebe Heimat- und Familienforscher, > > in > Brandt/Wölfle, Nordmark-Atlas, Schleswig-Holstein Geschichte und Leben in > Karten und Bildern, Kiel 1929 > > gibt es auf Seite 59 eine Karte über polit. Einteilung Schleswig-Holsteins > in der 2. Hälfte des 17. Jahrhunderts. > > Da zur gleichen Zeit erst die Kirchenbücher in Schleswig-Holstein beginnen, gibt es sicherlich landschaftsbezogene Literatur in Archivbeständen, die ein weiteres Zusammentragen von familienkundlichen Informationen vor der Kirchenbuch-Zeit ermöglicht. So gibt es als Beispiel: Inventarium von den Bordesholmischen Amtsunterthanen Häußer, Schäunen und Kathen, wie auch deren Ländereyen und Vieh alß Pferde, Büllen, Kühe, nebst andern Hornviehe, imgleichen Schaffe und Schweine und deren Taxation. 14. September 1709. LAS Abt. 106, Nr. 1144 > > Eure Beiträge sammle ich gerne und werde sie zur Verfügung stellen als > Ergänzung zu den von mir zusammengetragenen > > Archive/Museen in Schleswig-Holstein als Anknüpfung zur Fam.-u. > Heimatforschung > > auf www.Riecken-online.de > > Vielen Dank im voraus > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Klaus Riecken > > > Als Regionen werden genannt: > > Ämter: > Tondern > Flensburg > Husum > Gottorp > Hütten > Schwabstedt > Rendsburg > Bordersholm > Neumünster > Segeberg > Oldenburg > Ahrensbök > Traventhal u. Reinfeld > Rethwisch > Tremsbüttel > Trittau > Steinhorst > Reinbek > > Landschaften > Eiderstedt > Norderdithmarschen > Süderdithmarschen > Fehmarn > > Bistum Lübeck > > Grafschaft Rantzau > > Herrschaft Pinneberg > > Herzogtum Plön > Herzogtum Lauenburg > > sicherlich nicht vollständig >

At 9:31 PM -0400 17/5/04, Dopreu@aol.com wrote: >I've been reading S-H-Roots postings for some time now searching for anything >suggesting a connection to my paternal ggfather, Albert Preuss, from Barend, >near Schleswig, S-H. So far, no luck. But I did have to comment on the Hi Don, I have Preuss in my database (quite far back, though). A Peter Preuss (1623-1686), born and died in Tønder, married an 8-great aunt of my wife, Loretta/Laureta de Bähr/Behr (~1620-1697), also of Tønder. Notes on Peter: Er war Landschreiber beider Marschen, wurde nach dem Tode seines Bruder Johann Preuss dessen Nachfolger als Bürgermeister in Tondern. Er war ein Sohn des Amtsschreibers in Tondern, Lucas Preuss und dessen 2. Frau Metta Iwersen. Portrait von ihm hängt im Rathaussaal. I don't have a lot on his descendents, particularly the male ones. If you have anything that might connect to this family I would be interested. Regards, Mike King. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Michael King 255 McClellan Road, Ottawa ON K2H 8N7, Canada ( Phone (613) 828-3781 2 Fax (613) 728-1933 + Email miking@sympatico.ca The box said, Win2K or better required....so I bought a Mac

Reni, do you have the name STROEHLE in Brazil where you live? I have the following in my family who emigrated to Rio from S-H. Perhaps the descendants moved south. Friedrich STROEHLE b. 24 Nov 1836, Schleswig-Holstein & Mary SIECK, Half GG Aunt b. 5 Apr 1850, East India d. 1932, Rio De Janeiro, Brazil | Fritz STROEHLE, Half 1C2R | b. 19 Jun 1871 | Heinrich STROEHLE, Half 1C2R | b. 11 Dec 1876 --Mary Ann Reni Puls wrote: > Hello Don, > here in south of Brazil living many families with names as PREUSS and PETZOLD. > > Reni Puls from Florianópolis - SC - Brasil > > Dopreu@aol.com wrote: > I've been reading S-H-Roots postings for some time now searching for anything > suggesting a connection to my paternal ggfather, Albert Preuss, from Barend, > near Schleswig, S-H. So far, no luck. But I did have to comment on the > Maryann on Amrum whose maiden name was Block. . .my maternal gfather was Henry > Block and this is the first time I've seen this name listed as well. He was said > to have immigrated from Bremen, married Hulda Petzold, and lived out his days > in Kansas City, MO. Maybe this will trigger something. > Don Preuss in Oklahoma. > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm

Dear Reni, thanks for replying! I would like to learn more about my ancestor, Julius Augustus Petzold, who immigrated via New Orleans and finally settled in Argentine, an area of Kansas City, KS. He had a number of children and then there were siblings living in the area as well. Hulda, my gmother, was one of the children. But that's about all I know Then in your area of Brazil also to have a lot of Preusses, just adds to the coincidence. Don Preuss, Oklahoma

Hello Don, here in south of Brazil living many families with names as PREUSS and PETZOLD. Reni Puls from Florian�polis - SC - Brasil Dopreu@aol.com wrote: I've been reading S-H-Roots postings for some time now searching for anything suggesting a connection to my paternal ggfather, Albert Preuss, from Barend, near Schleswig, S-H. So far, no luck. But I did have to comment on the Maryann on Amrum whose maiden name was Block. . .my maternal gfather was Henry Block and this is the first time I've seen this name listed as well. He was said to have immigrated from Bremen, married Hulda Petzold, and lived out his days in Kansas City, MO. Maybe this will trigger something. Don Preuss in Oklahoma. ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Eine Erklaerung von Fachbegriffen und die Regeln der SH-ROOTS finden Sie hier: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/regeln.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.