My deceased wife wrote the book "If I can, etc"....it's available on Amazon...my daughter now sells it through Amazon. [email protected]

> Dorothea and others, > > Four years ago I began reading Germany church records on microfilm at my > local Family History Center. I find it much easier now, but it is very > difficult at first. This book helped me very much: > > IF I CAN YOU CAN: DECIPHER GERMANIC RECORDS by Edna M. Bentz > ISBN: 0-9615420-0-4 > > I started in similar ways in 1986 and have read 100's of pages. I have made myself helps for Swiss records that were specific to a whole church book which I translated for a church. Then I did other churches. Then I helped a lot of people around NE Indiana to read their documents. Each area of Germany has specific sort of style based a lot on the Pastor's or Civil Government clerk's handwriting at that time. Most of the handwriting can look like chicken scratch at first and others records look like a learned person wrote the records. If you can make copies and have a person who works with computers doing color management and gray scale the handwriting gets enhanced if you need to bring out the ink or reduce the blackness on a page. I have experienced turning pages from unreadable in both extremes to legible documents. Another tip: lightly trace the words on the page on your own paper and take it home for further study and evaluation. This gets very tiring to do it for many words but in having to read through 150 years of records for one northern German parish and having to trace out 15 words seemed a bargain. I have researched online handwriting styles. Google should be able to help. Best to you! Kay Marie

Dorothea and others, Four years ago I began reading Germany church records on microfilm at my local Family History Center. I find it much easier now, but it is very difficult at first. This book helped me very much: IF I CAN YOU CAN: DECIPHER GERMANIC RECORDS by Edna M. Bentz ISBN: 0-9615420-0-4 I got my copy at a genealogy conference, but you should be able to order it somewhere. Good luck. Jean [email protected]

Dorothea, this link may be helpful to make sense of at least the given names and their variations and derivations : http://www.rootdigger.de/Names.htm Good luck. Greetings from the roots, Klaus (Struve), in Kiel, SH, Germany -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:42:23 -0700 > Von: "Dorothea Sanderson" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Finding siblings > > I am going to the Family History Center and see if I can order a film > to see if I can find any birth records for siblings of my grandfather > who was born in 1855 in Hamburg as far as I know. Will I have trouble > reading the script on these old films. Can anyone give any guidelines > for making it easier for one who knows no German? > > Dorothea > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01

Dear Dorothea, You fortunately have thought about the fact that you 'might' find the script difficult to read, so you have won half the battle!  There is a great index on Cyndi's List http://www.cyndislist.com/germany.htm#Language   about German Research.  Way down the page there is a section on Language and Script helps. Study that, be patient, and DON'T get discouraged.  I did not read a word of German, the films were old and faded.  You can figure out the format, learn the words for birth, marriage, death, etc., recognize names, and then you can get the general idea.  Have a German Dictionary handy, and get one of the research guides and word lists from the Family History Center.  You'll do it! JUDITH

They are very difficult to read as they are handwritten in an old German script. The photo copies are also generally not too clear. What I have done is to scan for names. These are many times easy to spot if you look carefully. You can also usually tell what type of record it is by the name pattern. Birth, death, marriage. Make a print of the entry on the film reader and then find someone who can read the old writ\ting and pay them to translate. Today's German speakers rarely can read this stuff, but ask at the center and they will know someone who can. I am in exactly your position and it is difficult. Bill Wehrend On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Dorothea Sanderson wrote: > > I am going to the Family History Center and see if I can order a film > to see if I can find any birth records for siblings of my grandfather > who was born in 1855 in Hamburg as far as I know. Will I have trouble > reading the script on these old films. Can anyone give any guidelines > for making it easier for one who knows no German? > > Dorothea > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I am going to the Family History Center and see if I can order a film to see if I can find any birth records for siblings of my grandfather who was born in 1855 in Hamburg as far as I know. Will I have trouble reading the script on these old films. Can anyone give any guidelines for making it easier for one who knows no German? Dorothea

Paul, there is a Bast in Pomerania : Bast / Kreis Köslin (Pommern) I know of two very small places here in Schleswig-Holstein with that name, one near Nortorf, one near Malente. Baden is 1,000 kilometers away from Schleswig-Holstein and has never been part of it. Please contact me off-list to learn about possibilities of researching your family lines. With greetings from the "Old Country", Klaus (Struve), in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein www.rootdigger.de -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:02:49 +0000 > Von: paul bruhnke <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Brandenburgs in Bast > > Looking for the ancestry of Charles (Karl) Brandenburg who was born in > Bast in Nov 4, 1835. Bast at that time, I believe, was in Baden but now may > be part of Schleswig-Holstein now. He married Caroline Hildebrand and had > 11 children and emigrated to Chicago in 1859. > > > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > Paul Bruhnke > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01

Looking for the ancestry of Charles (Karl) Brandenburg who was born in Bast in Nov 4, 1835. Bast at that time, I believe, was in Baden but now may be part of Schleswig-Holstein now. He married Caroline Hildebrand and had 11 children and emigrated to Chicago in 1859. Any help will be appreciated. Paul Bruhnke _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009

I'm hoping that someone can help me. The baptismal church records before 1800 are divided into 2 pages; each page has six columns. The columns are crossed by rows much like a spreadsheet. There are usually two entries in each cell. The first column contains a number, the second a date. The third column has two names in it. I believe that these are the two (usually) names of the baptized child. But there is often no surname. The fourth column is puzzling. There are usually two entries in each cell, but frequently one or both is a letter, rather than a name. There are usually no surnames in this column. The fifth column usually has several names and the sixth column is usually blank. So, Is the fourth column the name of the father, or mother if the child is illegitimate? Is the fifth column the names of the godparents? I have scans I can send off list if that would be helpful. thank you, Stephen Pegler check out my blog: _http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/ _ (http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/) **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops – Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be)

On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I'm hoping that someone can help me. The baptismal church records > before 1800 are divided into 2 pages; each page has six columns. > The columns are crossed by rows much like a spreadsheet. There are > usually two entries in each cell. The first column contains a > number, the second a date. The third column has two names in it. I > believe that these are the two (usually) names of the baptized > child. But there is often no surname. The fourth column is > puzzling. There are usually two entries in each cell, but > frequently one or both is a letter, rather than a name. There are > usually no surnames in this column. The fifth column usually has > several names and the sixth column is usually blank. So, Is the > fourth column the name of the father, or mother if the child is > illegitimate? Is the fifth column the names of the godparents? I > have scans I can send off list if that would be helpful. It would be helpful to upload a scan to the web (if you have web space), particularly if you also have the top of each column too where there may be some indication of what each column was for. The numeral is probably the number of this birth in that particular year (first, tenth, forty-third, etc.), the date either the birth or baptism date, the two names would be the child's names. Surnames should be somewhere. Perhaps it'll be more clear once we have a look. The fifth column sounds like either the parents' names or the godparents. Parents are named whether the child is legitimate or illegitimate, unless the father is unknown or the mother declines to give it. Regards, Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage

G'day everyone, Does anyone know of a casualty list for Hamburg civilians from World War II? I have traced a cousin by using the LDS microfilms of the Hamburg city directories down to 1940, but he is not listed in 1947. August Kunde was a Gewerbe-Oberlehrer born in 1889 which would suggest that he was too old to be called up for Active Service during the War (at least not until the very end when he may have served in the Volkssturm (Home Guard). This makes me think that he may have died in the interim, maybe as a result of air raids, hence my interest in the possibility of civilian casualty list for WWII. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kiwisouth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/2625.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Been a while and you might already have some info but... My Peter Hansen Boisen was born i 23 Apr 1856, dies 5 May 1929. Married Sarah Johnston 14 Apr 1884. His parents were Jorgen Boisen, born 24 Nar 1807, died 22 Nov 1877. Mother was Mette Kjer Tine Schjots Skytte His siblings were Elisabeth Marie, Marie Elisabeth, Habs Jensen, Jensen Eduard and Anne Marie. Thanks to Marion Boisen for the info David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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Stephen, Tönning or Toenning exists only once in Schleswig-Holstein. And Ishould be very much surprised if anyone came up with another one in all of Germany. Greetings from the roots, Klaus (Struve), Kiel, SH -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:36:03 EDT > Von: [email protected] > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Moeller/Mueller and Tonning > In relation to the following record: > Napoleon Mecklenburg wurde am 18.05.1806 in Blanckenburg, Kirchengemeinde > Moldenit geboren. Seine Eltern waren Friedrich Mecklenburg und Friederica > Müller aus Tönning. > > I'm looking for the Friederica Muller/Moller. She would have been born > before 1790, most likely. I've searched the Tonning records with no luck > so far. > > Is there another place to search besides the obvious Tonning on the west > coast of Schleswig? > > many thanks, > > Stephen Pegler > check out my blog: > _http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/ > > > _ (http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/) > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219858252x1201366219/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Aufgepasst: Sind Ihre Daten beim Online-Banking auch optimal geschützt? Jetzt absichern: https://homebanking.gmx.net/[email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jdwellendorf Surnames: WELLENDORF, SCHURCKE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/92.292.2580/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am interested in info on Ferdinard Wellendorf and REBECCA SCHURCKE of Mahoning Cty Ohio. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: FIRIEL Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/6201.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is an excellent site, very helpful. Thanx Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Coleen, Coleen Coleman schrieb am 23.03.2009 18:28 u.a.: > Looking for descendants of Hans Ernst Moeller > & VoB (?) Abel Margaretha. > Also for Johann Friedrich Ernst & Anna Katharina Krambeck. > What does VoB stand for in front of Abel > Margaretha? that's very simple: The surname is VOß (or VOSS), not VoB. It's the "lower german" word for Fuchs (engl. fox). -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards Detlef (Ziemann) Meine Ahnen und ich / my ancestors and me: http://www.dziemann.de "Ziemanns Liste": http://www.dziemann.de/dkm/dkm-beitraege.htm

Thank you Detlef for your kindness many kind regards from the USA the winter wonderland of Wyoming State side.

In relation to the following record: Napoleon Mecklenburg wurde am 18.05.1806 in Blanckenburg, Kirchengemeinde Moldenit geboren. Seine Eltern waren Friedrich Mecklenburg und Friederica Müller aus Tönning. I'm looking for the Friederica Muller/Moller. She would have been born before 1790, most likely. I've searched the Tonning records with no luck so far. Is there another place to search besides the obvious Tonning on the west coast of Schleswig? many thanks, Stephen Pegler check out my blog: _http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/ _ (http://peglermusings.blogspot.com/) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219858252x1201366219/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62)