Hello David: I have viewed most of the 1803-1845 census. Now will act on your suggestion for 1855 & 1860. My grandfathers family left Denmark between 1869 to about 1877, one brother may have stayed there. Thanks, Pat Washington State, US ----- Original Message ----- From: David Armstrong To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark Bob, or is it Pat? The LDS has microfilms of the census records for Haderslev county for the following years 1803 1835 1840 1845 1855 1860 1921 http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=149968&subject_disp=Denmark%2C+Haderslev&columns=*,0,0 Unfortunately they don't appear to have any from the period of German rule (1864-1919). The LDS microfilms can be opened into your local LDS Family History Library for a nominal fee to cover their postage and packing costs (it's A$5.00 here in Australia, so about US$4.00 ?) David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat & Bob Quesnel To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:13 AM Subject: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, I'll take another shot at it. On May 5, 2009, at 9:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: [1]http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java Script 6 for maximum performance. First I tried using Mozilla Firefox. The website came up the same but nothing worked. I tried to use IE browser and I do not know exactly how it finally worked but my husband had to optimize some settings to get it working. Then I had to keep trying ... Best to you and your endeavors! Kay Marie Bob A. wrote: Hello, Can anyone help with login information to the arkivalieronline.dk website ? I have a password they sent me but it does not seem to work. Thanks. Bob A. On May 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Reina wrote: Maybe I can help? Does it concern one churchrecord? Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: [2]<[email protected]> To: [3]<[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark Pat & Bob Quesnel wrote: Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [4]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This website claims to have census records for this time period. Not sure if that area is covered and on-line yet. [6]http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java Script 6 for maximum performance. My research is in Hadersleben Vor Frue, Hadersleben, Denmark. I am covering the church records currently. Some in Danish; some in German. I could use some assistance in reading the Danish records. One Marriage entry is half in Danish and half in German, intermixed words. Kay Marie Minnesota, USA ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [7]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [8][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [9]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]SCHLESWIG- HOLSTEIN-RO [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [11]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12]SCHLESWIG- HOLSTEIN-RO [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ 7. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 8. mailto:[email protected] 9. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 10. mailto:[email protected] 11. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 12. mailto:[email protected] ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Can anyone help with login information to the arkivalieronline.dk website ? I have a password they sent me but it does not seem to work. Thanks. Bob A. On May 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Reina wrote: Maybe I can help? Does it concern one churchrecord? Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark > Pat & Bob Quesnel wrote: >> Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern >> area of >> Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested >> in >> Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. >> ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: >> http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > This website claims to have census records for this time period. Not > sure if that area is covered and on-line yet. > > > http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ > > The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java > Script 6 for maximum performance. > > My research is in Hadersleben Vor Frue, Hadersleben, Denmark. I am > covering the church records currently. Some in Danish; some in German. > > I could use some assistance in reading the Danish records. One > Marriage > entry is half in Danish and half in German, intermixed words. > > > Kay Marie > Minnesota, USA > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[1]http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java Script 6 for maximum performance. First I tried using Mozilla Firefox. The website came up the same but nothing worked. I tried to use IE browser and I do not know exactly how it finally worked but my husband had to optimize some settings to get it working. Then I had to keep trying ... Best to you and your endeavors! Kay Marie Bob A. wrote: Hello, Can anyone help with login information to the arkivalieronline.dk website ? I have a password they sent me but it does not seem to work. Thanks. Bob A. On May 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Reina wrote: Maybe I can help? Does it concern one churchrecord? Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: [2]<[email protected]> To: [3]<[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark Pat & Bob Quesnel wrote: Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [4]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This website claims to have census records for this time period. Not sure if that area is covered and on-line yet. [6]http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java Script 6 for maximum performance. My research is in Hadersleben Vor Frue, Hadersleben, Denmark. I am covering the church records currently. Some in Danish; some in German. I could use some assistance in reading the Danish records. One Marriage entry is half in Danish and half in German, intermixed words. Kay Marie Minnesota, USA ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [7]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [8][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [9]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-RO [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [11]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12]SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-RO [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ 7. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 8. mailto:[email protected] 9. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 10. mailto:[email protected] 11. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 12. mailto:[email protected]

Hello Kay, I am very sorry, but what exactly is your question? Do you mean this record: Haderslev vor Frue Opslag 489 Marriages Copulations 1875 #25 Nov. 4 I do not think something German is mentioned, only at the remark below the text. In my opinion it is mentioned: Copulations (Weddings) 1875 Mads Petersen Veng, vognmand son af Peter Petersen Veng arbeidsmand og hustru Kirstine Marie f. Ploug i Boiskoo? + tjenestepige Anne Dorthea Christensen datter af afdöde arbeidsman Jörgen Petersen Christensen og hustru Anne Marie f. Rasmusdatter And next some standard text/remark about the wedding which is at more weddings and does not reveal anything of importance Mads Pedersen Veng driver/coachman son of Peter Petersen Veng, labourer and wife Kirstine Marie née Ploug in Boiskoo? (farm/placename) + the servant Anne Dorthea Christensen daughter of the deceased labourer Jørgen Petersen Christensen and wife Anne Marie née Rasmusdatter Hope this will be of help Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark Reina wrote: Maybe I can help? Does it concern one churchrecord? Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: [1]<[email protected]> To: [2]<[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark Pat & Bob Quesnel wrote: Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [3]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This website claims to have census records for this time period. Not sure if that area is covered and on-line yet. [5]http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java Script 6 for maximum performance. My research is in Hadersleben Vor Frue, Hadersleben, Denmark. I am covering the church records currently. Some in Danish; some in German. I could use some assistance in reading the Danish records. One Marriage entry is half in Danish and half in German, intermixed words. Kay Marie Minnesota, USA ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [6]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [8]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [9]SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROO [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the s ubject and the body of the message Hi! Are you on this website? Thank you for your offer: Hopefully you can make heads / tails of this to sort it out and legible to make sense of it. I would like to see someone else's translation of half German and Danish language written here. Haderslev Vor Frue Haderslev Haderslev Haderslev Vor Frue 1855 1886 X This covers marriages. Opslag pages are as they are on-line to read on this website of the film. I started reading the first pages taking down notes where necessary and the last pages to look for an index. Start at the bottom noticing the Zielke entry from the index for page 595 then I ran into reading it on Oplsag 506. Then I started counting back about 17 pages ...... Finally I found Veng on Opslag 489. Opslag 1 and 2 hard to read the handwriting. Opslag 3 starts with 1860 - 2 names... male and female with witnesses In different handwriting, an adjustment to read... Mixture of both Danish / German language in the entry. Opslag 489 Marriages Copulations 1875 #25 Nov. 4 (starts in Danish) Mads Petersen Veng, Wagens__ Peter Petersen Veng Kirstine Marie f. Peong i Bo____ und _________ Annie Dorthea Christensen, datter af ____ Arbeiter Jörgen Peter _ Christensen and Anne Marie f. Rasmusdatter (No witnesses mentioned.) Paragraph above the Pastor's signature: (Ends in German): Erster fornight Bescheinigung über Aufnahmen wo Heiraths "Urkunde" c. o. Hadersleben C Nov. 4, 1875 übt auf. Pastor Bruhn or Pastor Benke (Check the entry at the bottom to see name written legibly It is also on other pages.) #25 Nov. 4 Mads Petersen Veng, Wagens__ bei __ Arbeiter checking on occupations Peter Petersen Veng og _____ Kirstine Marie f. Peong i Bo____ and _________ Annie Dorthea Christensen, datter of ____ Arbeiter Jörgen Peter _ Christensen and Anne Marie f. Rasmusdatter Translation of lower paragraph: A fornight ago certifies the beginning of marriage proceedings exercised here in Hadersleben on November 4, 1875. Can read the names and dates. Looks like Veng, the parents, came from somewhere else; written as scrawling as illegible for me to read. Certain European websites seem to be off line at the end of the month - start of the new month; same as last month, but with no warning or notice this time. The pages just were not on-line at all over April 30th until May 1st. Can you follow my description and translation? Very much appreciated for another pair of eyes. Sincerely, Kay Marie Diers References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ 6. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 9. mailto:[email protected] ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe I can help? Does it concern one churchrecord? Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark > Pat & Bob Quesnel wrote: >> Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of >> Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in >> Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. >> ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: >> http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > This website claims to have census records for this time period. Not > sure if that area is covered and on-line yet. > > > http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ > > The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java > Script 6 for maximum performance. > > My research is in Hadersleben Vor Frue, Hadersleben, Denmark. I am > covering the church records currently. Some in Danish; some in German. > > I could use some assistance in reading the Danish records. One Marriage > entry is half in Danish and half in German, intermixed words. > > > Kay Marie > Minnesota, USA > > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Pat and Bob, The danish demographic database has Hoptrup in Haderslev untill 1845 Might come more information in the future http://ddd.dda.dk/ddd_en.htm Haderslev Haderslev Hoptrup FT-1803 C0347 Haderslev Haderslev Hoptrup FT-1835 C0854 Haderslev Haderslev Hoptrup FT-1845 C1435 Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Bob Quesnel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark > Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of > Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in > Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Censuses were taken by the Germans, evaluated for the purposes that censuses are taken for, and the lists were destroyed afterwards. Probably sold for pulping oand making cardboard or wallpaper of them. That is my knowledge of the German censuses (Germany from 1871 on, before that Prussia, 1867 on). I would be happy to be taught wrong on this subject. But I fear this won't happen. Only the Danes have preserved the original forms from the times of their influence. With greetings from the roots, Klaus (Struve), Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:13:49 -0700 > Von: "Pat & Bob Quesnel" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark > Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of > Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in > Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a

Hello all, Among other things I have found scant mention of the schooner, George E. Vernon that my great grandfather captained in a GOOGLE BOOK search. The book " OUTING " VOL XXII April - September, 1893 mentions on page 108 " .... by the report of the schooner George E. Vernon of Newport, RI bound from Hamburg to New York which saw .... " etc. etc. and additional comments by my g'g'father Peter H. Armbrust although they misspelled his name. Evidently this event took place during August of 1893. Captain Peter Armbrust was born the Hamburg area. Would anyone know if there might be records of the Vernon's visit to Hamburg and if so how I might access them ? Thank you. Bob Armbrust Port Orange, FL

Reina, Thank you for answering my query on Hadersleben. Kay Marie Minnesota, USA

Thank you to Reina, Richard & Klaus for your responses to my census-record inquiry regarding Haderslev. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:13:49 -0700 > Von: "Pat & Bob Quesnel" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark > Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of > Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in > Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reina wrote: Maybe I can help? Does it concern one churchrecord? Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: [1]<[email protected]> To: [2]<[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS] Schleswig & Southern Denmark Pat & Bob Quesnel wrote: Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [3]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This website claims to have census records for this time period. Not sure if that area is covered and on-line yet. [5]http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java Script 6 for maximum performance. My research is in Hadersleben Vor Frue, Hadersleben, Denmark. I am covering the church records currently. Some in Danish; some in German. I could use some assistance in reading the Danish records. One Marriage entry is half in Danish and half in German, intermixed words. Kay Marie Minnesota, USA ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [6]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: [8]http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [9]SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROO [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the s ubject and the body of the message Hi! Are you on this website? Thank you for your offer: Hopefully you can make heads / tails of this to sort it out and legible to make sense of it. I would like to see someone else's translation of half German and Danish language written here. Haderslev Vor Frue Haderslev Haderslev Haderslev Vor Frue 1855 1886 X This covers marriages. Opslag pages are as they are on-line to read on this website of the film. I started reading the first pages taking down notes where necessary and the last pages to look for an index. Start at the bottom noticing the Zielke entry from the index for page 595 then I ran into reading it on Oplsag 506. Then I started counting back about 17 pages ...... Finally I found Veng on Opslag 489. Opslag 1 and 2 hard to read the handwriting. Opslag 3 starts with 1860 - 2 names... male and female with witnesses In different handwriting, an adjustment to read... Mixture of both Danish / German language in the entry. Opslag 489 Marriages Copulations 1875 #25 Nov. 4 (starts in Danish) Mads Petersen Veng, Wagens__ Peter Petersen Veng Kirstine Marie f. Peong i Bo____ und _________ Annie Dorthea Christensen, datter af ____ Arbeiter Jörgen Peter _ Christensen and Anne Marie f. Rasmusdatter (No witnesses mentioned.) Paragraph above the Pastor's signature: (Ends in German): Erster fornight Bescheinigung über Aufnahmen wo Heiraths "Urkunde" c. o. Hadersleben C Nov. 4, 1875 übt auf. Pastor Bruhn or Pastor Benke (Check the entry at the bottom to see name written legibly It is also on other pages.) #25 Nov. 4 Mads Petersen Veng, Wagens__ bei __ Arbeiter checking on occupations Peter Petersen Veng og _____ Kirstine Marie f. Peong i Bo____ and _________ Annie Dorthea Christensen, datter of ____ Arbeiter Jörgen Peter _ Christensen and Anne Marie f. Rasmusdatter Translation of lower paragraph: A fornight ago certifies the beginning of marriage proceedings exercised here in Hadersleben on November 4, 1875. Can read the names and dates. Looks like Veng, the parents, came from somewhere else; written as scrawling as illegible for me to read. Certain European websites seem to be off line at the end of the month - start of the new month; same as last month, but with no warning or notice this time. The pages just were not on-line at all over April 30th until May 1st. Can you follow my description and translation? Very much appreciated for another pair of eyes. Sincerely, Kay Marie Diers References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ 6. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm 9. mailto:[email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lhasaladyuk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/3664.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: How lovely to hear from you. I am the gt.gt grandaughter of J E B through Amandus' daughter Louise who married R.H. Hammond. I have quite a bit of Info on the Bielfelts on this side of the water, does your wife have any info on them? I am in touch with the daughter of George brother of Louise, she is in her eighties! You can email me on [email protected] Geraldine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Pat & Bob Quesnel wrote: > Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark. > ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: > http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > This website claims to have census records for this time period. Not sure if that area is covered and on-line yet. http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The process to log in is odd, using only Internet Explorer and Java Script 6 for maximum performance. My research is in Hadersleben Vor Frue, Hadersleben, Denmark. I am covering the church records currently. Some in Danish; some in German. I could use some assistance in reading the Danish records. One Marriage entry is half in Danish and half in German, intermixed words. Kay Marie Minnesota, USA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ianglen10 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/3664.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My wife is a great great granddaughter of John E Bieldfeldt. John and Amalie had 4 sons and a further daughter all born in England - one in Middlesex and the other 4 in Liverpool. Franz was born in 1868 and became a hairdresser. He married Louisa in 1893 and in 1911 had 3 sons and 2 daughters. Harold was born in 1902 and is my wife's grandfather. They changed their name to Harvey by deed poll - probably in 1916 after the sinking of the Lusitania Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Could anyone translate from AO, Kirkeboeger Record for Haderslev/Gram/Nustrup, 1831-1850, Opslag 238, lines 23 through 28. Several of the entries are my grandfather (Anders Schak, line 24 )and his siblings, and I think a cousin. This is the Ufgangslifle (permission to leave record). There is a column called "Haandeering" (spelling?) that I think might be occupation, and one "Hvorden Borreift" (sp?) which seems to be place they went to (I can't read for line 25 & 26; for the other lines it is Hoptrup).

Does anyone know if Germany took/kept censuses for the southern area of Denmark in the time period of about 1870 to 1900? I am interested in Hoptrup, Haderslev, Denmark.

Hello Geraldine, I saw your post which included a mention of R.H. HAMMOND. I have some HAMMONDs in MAINE & Massachusetts (USA) 1750s or so. Think any connection ? Thanks. Bob A. Port Orange, FL USA On May 5, 2009, at 8:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lhasaladyuk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/3664.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: How lovely to hear from you. I am the gt.gt grandaughter of J E B through Amandus' daughter Louise who married R.H. Hammond. I have quite a bit of Info on the Bielfelts on this side of the water, does your wife have any info on them? I am in touch with the daughter of George brother of Louise, she is in her eighties! You can email me on [email protected] Geraldine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ==== SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Technical Terms and Rules of the S-H-ROOTS: http://www.genealogy-sh.com/faq-sh-roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers, as this mailing list is rather sleepy, allow me please to re-post an article that I published some years ago. I have heard that there are two or three new members in the list, so it might be of interest to at least them. I copied and pasted the text from a MS-Word-file, so the line feeds and tabulator stops may cause some disturbances in the structure of the article. It will probably appear to be "out of whack" in parts. Can't help it. Here we go : Contemporary source : Kieler Zeitung - Abendausgabe – 12 November, 1872 Transcribed, summarized, translated, and commented by Klaus Struve, Kiel Based on an article that Mr. H. Beenke wrote about emigration to transatlantic destinations since 1836, the Bureau of Statistics in Hamburg published the following figures : 1836 – 1850 via port of Hamburg : about 40,000 persons of German States 1851 – 1870 via port of Hamburg : 466,809 persons of German States, which is 79.32 % of the total number. 1832 – 1835 via port of Bremen : an average of 10,000 persons per year 1832 – 1870 via port of Bremen : 1,196,363 persons of all origins Assuming, as above, that 79.32 % of that number were of German origin : 1832 – 1870 via port of Bremen : 948,955 persons of German States Which sums up to 1,455,750 persons of German origin in the timeframe of 1832 (Bremen) 1836 (Hamburg) through 1870. The Bureau of Statistics in Washington published some figures for the years 1861 through 1868 : 607,032 immigrants of German origin. As in those years, 205,966 Germans left through Hamburg and 235,200 Germans left through Bremen, the remaining difference of 180,000 Germans arriving in the US must have used other ports than those two major German seaports. This was the difference that resulted for a period of only 8 years that were evaluated. Which means some 29 % of those who left German territory (Germany did not exist as a state then) used other ports than Hamburg and Bremen. The author of the article hints that it must be noted that the figures include all categories of passengers, not only the emigrants, but also businessmen and visitors who would return to their German origins after a while. No statistic data are available for this group. The number of emigrants from German states rose significantly after the years 1848 and 1849, the years of revolutionary activities in many parts of the country, which resulted in defeat and political suppression. The United States of America became the land of hope for many of those who could not see a way of bettering their fate at home. The year 1854 surpassed all previous years and remained the strongest year of emigration for another decade. The years 1861 – 1865 (Civil War in the US) saw a decline in numbers of emigrants that rose significantly again thereafter, strongly influenced by the great number of "new" Prussians, from the provinces Schleswig, Holstein, and Hannover, that had been incorporated into Prussia. Not all of their inhabitants were happy with their new masters. The Franco-Prussian War of 1870 - 1871 brought the number of emigrants down again. Permits for emigration were not issued to young and not so young men who could hold a rifle. Or feed a horse. Of all transatlantic destinations, the USA were the favorite of 81 % of the emigrants, in the years 1836 – 1870. In the year 1871, they were destination of even 91 %. Other destinations : British North America, until 1868. Then the Canadian government stopped the immigration of impoverished Europeans through their ports. Through Quebec, at least. Brazil strongly attracted immigrants in the years 1854 to 1859, then again as of 1867. Australia had a strong year of immigration in 1854, when the goldrush set in in the Colony Victoria. The article ends with a chapter of statistics about trade and occupation (27 % farmers) of the emigrants, and the ratio of males and females (60 % males). Of an estimated number of 250,000 persons who emigrated out of Schleswig and Holstein between 1830 and 1930, you will find a list of more than 65,000 individuals on my website : www.rootdigger.de For your kind consideration. Klaus Struve, in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein (genealogical researcher) -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ddanigen Surnames: WEINTZ, WINCE, WEINS, WEINZ, WENTZ, SCHINDLER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.ceeurope.germany.schleswig.general/2875.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know this is an old post, so not sure if you're still looking, but I have just learned that my 3g-grandmother's maiden name was WEINTZ and would like very much to find more on this family. Catherine WEINTZ was b. abt. 1833 or 1834 in Hesse-Darmstadt, and m. John G. SCHINDLER about 1850 in NY. I am not 100% certain of her family, but the most probable match is one Christian WEINTZ who immigrated from Hesse-Darmstadt to New York in 1837, made his declaration of intent in 1838 and became a citizen in 1840. Christian's wife, Barbara, followed him in 1838, bringing 3 young daughters: Christina, 7, Barbara, 6, and "Chatrine", 5. I believe "Chatrine" is my Catherine, but don't have enough to prove that yet. Christian WEINTZ settled in Cochecton, Sullivan County, New York -- the period between 1837 - 1840 saw a large influx of German settlers to this part of Sullivan County. Christian and Barbara WEINTZ went on to have several more children b. in NY. Although the family seems to have preferred the WEINTZ spelling, I've seen almost every imaginable variation on the theme, including WINCE (1850 census), WEINZ, WENTZ, WEINS. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.