I have a reference to a Panter/Panther [both spellings were used] Branch in land records from Edgefield in my TROTTER files. A mortgage of Richard TURNER from 1829 indicates that Panter/Panther Branch is/was a branch of Big Creek. Betty T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net> To: "Greg Matthews" <dialzero@bellsouth.net>; <sc-genealogy-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: <scedgefi-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [SCEDGEFI] Reading plats/Panther Creek > The 1825 Mills Atlas shows only one Panther Creek, and it's in Marlboro Co > in the Cheraws District. Go north up Rte. 38 from Bennettsville to the NC > state line. Panther Creek enters from NC where the road crosses the state > line, runs ESE for a bit over 2 miles before Boggy Branch joins it from > the > NW, then it enters Beaverdam Creek another mile SE from there. Beaverdam > runs NE into Gum Swamp, after which it becomes the Little Pee Dee River. > If > you're just southwest of the NE corner of Marlboro Co at the NC border, > you > should be pretty close: there's only ~3 miles of Panther Creek within SC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Matthews" <dialzero@bellsouth.net> > To: <sc-genealogy-l@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <scedgefi-l@rootsweb.com>; <scbarnwe-l@rootsweb.com>; > <scaiken-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SCEDGEFI] Reading plats > > >> The plats you find in SC for this time period are going to be from the >> metes >> and bounds system. The numbers, ie. 63.46.20, are going to be chains (66 >> feet or 4 poles) / poles (16.5 feet or 25 links) / links (7.92 inches). >> Without some existing geographical marker (ie. a waterway or a big rock >> etc.) I don't know if you are going to have any success in knowing >> EXACTLY >> where the plat is. If the reference to Panther Creek is drawn precisely >> enough you should be able to get pretty close. The tree markers >> obviously >> won't be of much use since those are most likely long gone. >> >> What software are you using to plot the land? There are packages out >> there >> that plot metes and bounds. >> >> Regards >> Greg Matthews >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carolyn Brown" <cpink@flash.net> >> To: <sc-genealogy-l@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: <scedgefi-l@rootsweb.com>; <scbarnwe-l@rootsweb.com>; >> <scaiken-l@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:04 PM >> Subject: [SCEDGEFI] Reading plats >> >> >>> Can anyone out there help me a bit reading the old plats from the late >>> 1700's in Cheraw Dist, SC? I have similar ones in Edgefiedl and >>> Barnwell. >>> >>> They are drawn with references such as NE 63.46.20 on one boundry line, >>> SE 47.23 on the next, SW 41.25 next, SE 49.40 next, SW 82.28, NW >>> 80.12.34, >>> SW 85.30 and lastly SW 25.33. >>> >>> This is an odly shaped plat of 207 Acres. Below that is says 206 and >>> something I can't read at all. Corners are a black circle with Pine 3x0 >>> or >>> Post Oak 3x0, etc. Other trees are marked, such at the edge of Panther >>> Creek. >>> >>> No where do I see a distance. I tried plotting that with the plotting >>> software, but didn't get the same form. Sort of but one line didn't go >>> right at all. Are the NE 63.46.20 type notations degrees and minutes? Or >>> is something else included there. >>> >>> All help appreciated. I have several plots I need to locate and the >>> landmarks aren't enough. Perhaps I will have to expand my number of >>> plats. >>> Someone posted a link the other day to a site showing lots of Old Ninety >>> 6 >>> plats. I accidentally deleated that. Could someone send it again. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Carolyn Brown > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCEDGEFI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Betty and all: I checked the Waterways Map of Edgefield Dist, SC and find Big Creek off of Little Saluda River which is off of the Saluda River between present Saluda Co. and Lexington, and forms lake Marion. The creeks on this map that come off of Big Creek are Dry Creek, (not the one near Johnston), Persimmon Creek. If I can remember the next time I go to the archvies they have a book that lists all of the SC creeks and describes their connections to the length of the waterway system they belong to. Possibility, the date that was being used in very early, and at that time, it may have been in the Carolinas, which began as N. & S Carolina as one "District". There were disputes over the boundary for a long time, and some plats were listed by surveyors based on their information at the time. I know of this in general terms, not specifics, but have meetings where this was part of the general description of the development of Counties in SC. I find the Beaverdam creek that Harriett described and it falls in the crease of my two pages taped together. There is additional info. that I cannot read clearly that states, formerly (Ha--haw Tree) Some of the other creeks are noted as formerly called ----, so we know that other names might have been used. Greg, thanks for the lesson on the measurements. I have heard that info. previously in meetings of the State Gen. Society, but never paid much attention to trying to learn it. Billie Billie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Trotter" <betrvip@suddenlink.net> To: "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net>; "Greg Matthews" <dialzero@bellsouth.net>; <sc-genealogy-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: <scedgefi-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [SCEDGEFI] Reading plats/Panther Creek >I have a reference to a Panter/Panther [both spellings were used] Branch >in > land records from Edgefield in my TROTTER files. A mortgage of Richard > TURNER from 1829 indicates that Panter/Panther Branch is/was a branch of > Big > Creek. > Betty T.

I agree with Billie that this has been a very-informative exchange. My late father started his 40-year career in the Dept. of Agriculture in the MS Delta as a chain-carrier. It never occured to me to ask him "how long is a chain" or "how heavy is it". I worked in an ASCS office myself, as a summer job in the early 1960's, but the measurements had been converted into pencil-lines on aerial photographs by the time I got them to measure the acreage for purposes of cotton allotments. They were originally measured in chains, of course! I thank those of you who have explained "what that is". One of those things that I'd never realized that I wanted to know, but was very happy to have it all explained so clearly. Isn't this a great List? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee and Billie Jones" <tjones@camden.net> To: "Betty Trotter" <betrvip@suddenlink.net>; "Harriet Imrey" <himrey@ntelos.net>; "Greg Matthews" <dialzero@bellsouth.net>; <sc-genealogy-l@rootsweb.com> Cc: <scedgefi-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCEDGEFI] Reading plats/Panther Creek Hi Betty and all: I checked the Waterways Map of Edgefield Dist, SC and find Big Creek off of Little Saluda River which is off of the Saluda River between present Saluda Co. and Lexington, and forms lake Marion. The creeks on this map that come off of Big Creek are Dry Creek, (not theone near Johnston), Persimmon Creek. If I can remember the next time I go to the archvies they have a book that lists all of the SC creeks and describes their connections to the length of the waterway system they belong to. Possibility, the date that was being used in very early, and at that time, it may have been in the Carolinas, which began as N. & S Carolina as one "District". There were disputes over the boundary for a long time, and some plats were listed by surveyors based on their information at the time. I know of this in general terms, not specifics, but have meetings where this was part of the general description of the development of Counties in SC. I find the Beaverdam creek that Harriett described and it falls in the crease of my two pages taped together. There is additional info. that I cannot read clearly that states, formerly (Ha--haw Tree) Some of the other creeks are noted as formerly called ----, so we know that other names might have been used. Greg, thanks for the lesson on the measurements. I have heard that info.previously in meetings of the State Gen. Society, but never paid much attention to trying to learn it. Billie