According to the cemetery records that I have, Eliza Dean Neal is buried in the Lott cem., but HC Ouzts calls the cem. where James Neal is buried the Neal-Mobley Cem, Saluda. He is the one who identifies Amanda Malvina Neal as a daughter of James Neal. I don't have her records any where else and have never worked on the Neal family with Probate or deed records. However the census records does show a female Amanda as the oldest "child" in the family in 1850. CENSUS: 1850 Edgefield Co, SC, The District, p. 166A, hh# 114 Neal ******* 35 M Mechanic 4,000 SC First name not readable. Ink smudged. Neal Eliza 30 F SC Neal Amanda 15 F SC attended school Neal Nancy 11 F SC attended school Neal Virginia 8 F SC attended school Neal George 6 M SC Neal William 5 M SC Neal Andrew J. 21 M Farmer 4,000 SC Verification that he is James is found in the 1860 Census, Ediston Mills PO, p. 12, hh# 94/91[Book, p. 13-14) James Neal 45 M Farmer SC Eliza Neal 41 F SC Nancy Neal 22 F SC Virginia Neal 20 F SC Wm Neal 16 M SC George Neal 14 M SC Treacy Neal 12 F SC James Neal 8 M SC Lod Neal 6 M SC Susan Neal 3 F SC CENSUS: 1880 Pine Grove, Edgefield, South Carolina, Page 336D Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Race, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Father's Birthplace, Mother's Birthplace James NEAL, Self, M, Male, W, 65, SC, Mill Right, IRELAND, SC Eliza NEAL, Wife, M, Female, W, 61, SC, Keeps House, SC, SC Eunice S. NEAL, Dau, S, Female, W, 18, SC, At Home, SC, SC Stonewall J. NEAL, Son, S, Male, W, 16, SC, Farming, SC, SC Clarra A. NEAL, GDau, S, Female, W, 8, SC, SC, SC --------------------------------------------------------- Other cemetery records shows some of the other children in the family: (relationships by HC) Philippi Baptist Church, Edgefield Co, SC Neal, James J. Sep 12 1898 - Oct 14 1919 (unknown) Neal, Stonewall J. Mar 19 1864 - Mar 30 1917 (husband) Neal, Sophia E. Oct 7 1869 - Mar 30 1960 (wife) Neal, Lottie Nov 13 1900 - Oct 2 1902 (dau) Neal, Hugh Oct 2 1889 - Sep 10 1890 (son) ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Hemingway To: Lee and Billie Jones ; [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: Re: NEAL, LOTT, DEAN CONNECTIONS PROVEN Billie, Going thru this finally. I don't have Amanda Malvina Neal as a daughter for James Neal. I have Elizabeth Neal Lott as the oldest daughter. I also have in my files, James Neal being buried in the Lott cemetery. Is that not right? You have James buried in Neal-Mobley Cem, Saluda. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee and Billie Jones To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: NEAL, LOTT, DEAN CONNECTIONS PROVEN Beth, Larry and others, I just got informtion on the death date of James [?Alexander] Neal who we have worked on regarding his attachment to the Dean family and the Lott family of Old Edgefield Dist. He and his oldest daughter are buried in the Neal - Mobley Family Cem, Saluda Co, SC Neal, James [Alexander] [1815] Jan 1 1883 Neal, Amanda Malvina 1837 1856 He married Eliza Dean who is buried with a daughter in the Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC Eliza Dean Hill is the d/o Bryant Dean and Treacy Hill Dean. Treacy is the d/o Lodowich Hill who married Susannah Grigsby. The following is pure speculation, but it is possible that the following, who are also buried in the cem., are the parents of James Neal b. ca 1815. Neal, Hugh May 4 1779 Mar 19 1852 Neal, Nancy Apr 1788 Sep 25 1877 Descendants of James Neal 1 James NEAL b: Abt. 1815 SC d: January 01, 1883 Burial: Neal - Mobley Family Cem, Saluda Co, SC . +Eliza DEAN b: June 1818 SC d: January 1889 Burial: Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC Father: Bryant 'Bryan' Dean Mother: Teresa "Trecy" Hill ..... 2 Amanda NEAL b: 1837 d: 1856 Burial: Neal - Mobley Family Cem, Saluda Co, SC ..... 2 Nancy Elizabeth 'Lizzie' NEAL b: May 27, 1839 Edgefield Co, SC d: Abt. March 16, 1929 Edgefield Co, SC Burial: Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC ......... +John 'Jack' A. LOTT b: August 24, 1805 Edgefield Co, SC d: May 12, 1889 Edgefield Co, SC Burial: Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC Father: Emsley Lott Mother: Silvy Holston ..... 2 Virginia C. NEAL b: August 09, 1841 Edgefield Co, SC d: May 14, 1920 Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC Burial: Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC ......... +George Whitfield LOTT b: October 14, 1841 SC d: April 11, 1909 Burial: Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC Father: John 'Jack' A. Lott Mother: Charlsey Ann Cogburn ..... 2 George NEAL b: Abt. 1844 d: Bef. March 19, 1929 ..... 2 William NEAL b: Abt. 1845 d: Bef. March 19, 1929 ..... 2 Treacy NEAL b: Abt. 1848 d: Bef. March 19, 1929 ..... 2 James T. NEAL b: Abt. 1852 d: Aft. 1929 ..... 2 Lod NEAL b: Abt. 1854 d: Bef. March 1929 ..... 2 Susan Marina NEAL b: August 26, 1857 d: May 28, 1941 Burial: Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC ......... +Robert E. PRICE b: October 15, 1849 d: December 29, 1917 Burial: Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC Father: Robert Price Mother: Mahala Skinner ..... 2 Eunice S. NEAL b: Abt. 1862 d: Bef. March 1929 ..... 2 Stonewall J. NEAL b: Abt. 1864 d: Bef. March 1929 The use of died before March 19, 1929 comes from the fact that they are NOT mentioned in probate records of Margaret Dean Holloway, sister of Bryant Dean, father of Eliza in her AL probate records. More on that later. The naming pattern of the family certainly points to the Bryant Dean and Trecy Hill families as follows: According to my research of census records, Bryant and Treacy Hill Dean has two unknown children, a son and a daughter, listed in the 1830 Edgefield co census: p. 214 with parents and the 1840 Edgefield Co. SC Census, born between 1815 - 1820. In researching the Lott families, I came upon death cert. that listed James Neal and Eliza Dean as parents to a spouse of a LOTT. The date of birth for the Eliza Dean listed with James Neal in the census records puts her date of birth in that range. We MAY have found the missing daughter. Death certificates of some of their children specifically call their mother Eliza Dean and their father James Neal. Of course, as true researchers, this is not yet proof! But notice the names of the following partial list of James & Eliza Dean Neal's children: ..... 2 William NEAL b: Abt. 1845 [Bryant's father was William] ..... 2 Treacy NEAL b: Abt. 1848 [Bryant's wife was Treacy] ..... 2 James NEAL b: Abt. 1852 [Treacy Hill Dean had brother James] ..... 2 Lod NEAL b: Abt. 1854 [Bryant's father-in-law was Lodowick Hill m. Susannah Grigsby] ..... 2 Susan NEAL b: Abt. 1857 [possibly a Susannah for Susannah Grigsby] VERIFIED: May, 2003: On April 30, 2003, I received the Final Settlement records of Margaret Dean Holloway, Chambers Co, AL, d. 1887 (looked up for me by Jacky Stancil). Those records contain the following named Eliza Neal as a legatee: "Eliza Neal, over 21 years old, resides in SC, P.O. Fruit Hill, Edgefield Co, SC....... the above named (is a living child) of Bryant Dean who was a brother of the testatrix." She is listed as the mother of Virginia Neal Lott in her death Certificate, 1920 Edgefield Co, SC # 9437. Tombstone in the Lott Family Cemetery, Hwy 23, Johnston, Edgefield Co, SC, states: "Our Mother. Mrs. Eliza Neal, wife of Mr. James Neal, born June 1818, died Jan 1880. Billie Jones Camden, SC [email protected] ==== SCEDGEFI Mailing List ==== 1.No spamming 2.No flaming 3.No off topic posts 4.Absolutely no commercial use of this list 5 :)