This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BENNETT CROSBY GEORGE PADGETT SMITH SMOAK Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1182.1.1 Message Board Post: Trish: My Susanna George was from Edgefield Co, SC. Born 1821 and died in 1906. She was married to Moses Crosby (1815-abt 1900) abt 1841 in Colleton. Both lived in Colleton Co, SC until they died. My father said that they separated and lived down the street from one another. He would visit one and then the other! Does any of this ring a bell? I would love to find Susanna's family. Bernie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1182.1 Message Board Post: I'm not sure if I am related but I do know that my gggg grandfather was Britton George (b. 6 Dec 1804) to Lewis George and Sabra Walker. I have heard that Britton had a younger sister but I don't know her name. I also have heard that Lewis George remarried after Sabra died and Britton and his sister ran away. I hope that this is the right family. Do you know how many GEORGE families there were in Colleton District in early 1800's??? Thanks so much!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PADGETT, GOODWIN, BENNETT, PRICE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1476.1 Message Board Post: I'm not sure if this will be any help but this is the information I have. I do not know Samuel "Teacher Sam" Padgett's parents but I know he was born in 1770 in England. His wife Elizabeth Goodwin was born in 1771, also in England, and her father's name was James Goodwin ( I do no know her mother's name.) James Goodwin was born in 1720 in England. Samuel Padgett and Elizabeth Goodwin had a total of 4 children: Isham Padgett, Joel "Wildcat" Padgett, Katy Padgett, and James Graham "Humpie Jim" Padgett. My family stems off from Joel "Wildcat" Padgett who married Nancy Jane Bennett. They had two children Daniel Padgett and Hansford Duncan Padgett Sr. Hansford Duncan Padgett Sr. is my GGGrandfather he married Martha "Isabella" Goodwin and they had 4 children: Hansford Duncan Padgett Jr., James Graham Padgett Col., Sheldonia Padgett, and Sennie Elizabeth Padgett. Hansford Duncan Padgett Jr. is my GGrandfather, he married Bianca Price in 1893 and I know they had more than t! wo children but I only have two of their children's names: Hansford Duncan "Dunc" Padgett III and Clyde Percy Padgett, Clyde is my Greatgrandfather. I have more information relating to different branches, Goodwin, Price, Rast, Carter (which I have traced back to 1475), Beach,. If you know Nancy Jane Bennett's or Samuel Padgett's parents it would be a big help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1478 Message Board Post: Linda, I just realized I really goofed on the names I provided you. It was late at night when I did that and I had lots of info. in front of me. Anyway, i am looking for an Elizabeth Kinard who married Mack Fralix. Her parents are listed as Perry Kinard and Sarah McCormick. I know you said you didn't have any Fralixes -- however, you did mention Fraylick or some sort of variation -- and believe, me it is spelled many different ways. I did find out from www.familysearch.org that Perry Kinard was born about 1836 in Barnwell, SC and that Sarah McCormick was born about 1828 . If you come across any connection, please let me know. I really just wanted to correct my error -- I had put Elizabeth Padgett (another relative in the Colleton County area.)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1477.1.1 Message Board Post: I prefer to be flexible and show all possibilities with notation about controversaries. There are lots of mysteries and most of this is not absolutely proven. Bob has some good points in his posting. We need to be understanding & work together & maybe SOMEDAY we'll have some answers that are "absolutely positively" true. Frann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1477.1 Message Board Post: DNA testing is a new tool used by some genealogists and generally is considered relaible. If one believes Family Tree DNA, their 37 marker test would show the splits in a family line and would probably indicate if Benjamin Risher, Sr. or a brother was a common ancestor. http://www.familytreedna.com/37.html The Mississippi question is not the only Colleton County Risher mystery,. Some Risher researchers believe that Micahel Raysor, Sr. was related to Benjamin, a cousin, maybe a brother. On the other hand, some like Pat Sabin feel the Raysors were a diiferent line and not related to the Rishers until Micahel Raysor, Jr. married Eleanor Risher, Ben's daughter. Were there two Rishers shown in the 1790 St Bartholomew, Charleston District Census as heads of hosuehold or five as shown in your posting? On page 560, did the census taker write estate of Risher as shown in your posting or estate of Fisher as shown in a transcribbed version? In looking at the written version, one notices the census taker wrote distinct "R's" especilly when it was used as the first letter of a name. Also, on the same page we find John Hoff, the "f's" in Hoff look like the first name of the surname in question. More than likely he wrote estate of Fisher. On page 562, the transcribbed version does not show a Thomas Risher or a John Risher. There is a Thomas Millar and John Millar. In looking at the handwritten version , one can see how Millar might look like Risher. Again comparing the census taker's writting the surname was more than likely Millar not Risher How relaible was the testimony of grandchildren and others used as sources by the writer of the earlier Stokes book? The Bryans used the tesimony of ancestors in their CEMETERIES OF UPPER COLLETON COUNTY, a book full of misinformation. More recently, Dr. J. J. Stokes wrote HENRY STOKES OF COLLETON COUNTY. Like the Bryans he relied on the statements of individuals and apparently did not verify the accuracy of his information. His book also has a number of errors. The one that I find most appalling is on page 224. He gives the impression that Henry Allen Williams and his wife Martha Anne Risher had only one daughter, Sarah Caroline Williams. Actually, there were at least 10 children including my grandfather Henry Bass Williams. One can come to differenrt conclusions when looking at the 1790 census. Mine is there were only two Rishers shown as heads of household: Benjamin Risher and his brother Richard. We don't even know if Richard was married and had children. To the best of my knowledge no one has claimed Richard as an ancestor. Possibly he was the father of Samuel, Mary, and Sarah Risher.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Risher Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1477 Message Board Post: I don't think there are any Risher researchers here who have not been contacted by the Mississippi Rishers who wish to attribute two unknown children to Ben & Mary Fontaine Risher, by virtue of the fact that he shows 5 males 15 and under in the 1790 census. The raw facts are that there are three other adult male (likely)Rishers in the 1790 census capable of being father to the progenitors of the Mississippi Rishers and that these lines are for the most part completely undocumented. I believe this occurred due to the migration of their children. Had their descendants stayed in the Colleton area it is likely their family trees would have been documented in the area as well. Again ignored is the fact that Ben & Mary's list of children was established and documented by 1902, after being aquired through the oral history of their grandchildren in the late 1800's. The information gathered from them is by all Genealogical Society standards much more likely to be correct based on the fact that they were so much closer to the source of the information based on time. They were speaking of their great aunts/uncles rather than 3rd or 4th great grandparents. My reason for posting on this subject is a letter I received from a new Mississippi researcher, who took as fact that Ben & Mary Fontaine Risher were the parents of two extra children. He wrote to correct my list of Ben & Mary's children. I decline to edit that list of children absent any evidence. None has been offered, and circumstantial does not support it. While I agree that the progenitor/s of the Mississippi Rishers are quite definitely related to the Colleton Rishers, I do not believe they are the sons of Benjamin & Mary. For the reasons stated above and for the following Census records: Benjamin and Mary Risher are not the only available parents of these Mississippi progenitors. No research has been done on Ben's brothers, as I have suggested to the Mississippi researchers on multiple occasions over the years. None has picked up the gauntlet. 1790 St. Bartholomews Parish, Charleston District Page 560 Living near John May, Arthur Thompson, and Stocks (Stokes) Risher, Estate of 1 male 16 & older 2 females 19 slaves Page 582 We find Thomas, John, Richard & Ben Risher along with Michael Raysor, John Fontaine and Thomas Fontaine. Risher, Thomas 1 male 16 and over 2 males 15 and under 1 female 7 slaves Risher, Richard 1 male 16 & up 1 male 15 and under 3 females 2 slaves Risher, Benjamin 1 male 16 & up 5 males 15 and under 7 females Risher, John 2 males 16 & up 2 males 15 and under 3 females 1800 Colleton Dist. Census - Page 167 living near John Fontaine, James Williams Risher, Richard 4 males 0-9 2 males 26-44 1 female 10-15 2 females 26-44 1 female 45 & over Page 174 Benjamin & Francis Risher living near Michael Raysor Risher, Benjamin 1 male 10-15 2 males 45 & over 1 female 16-25 1 female 45 & over Risher, Francis 1 male 0-9 2 males 16-25 1 male 26-44 2 females 10-15 1 female 26-44 At one point DNA testing was suggested as way to resolve the issue. A basic understanding of DNA reveals: 1. The matriarchal DNA is only passed on directly from daughter to daughter and is passed on completely unchanged. This would not help those descended from male Rishers to prove descent from Ben & Mary. 2. The Patriarchal DNA of Benjamin and his brothers would have been the same so we would still be unable to rule out their descent from Ben's brothers.

Beverly Mott, who just returned to Florida from a trip to Colleton County, has transcribed a lot of great information, including the 1790 Census of St. Bartholomew's Parish, church histories, census records, and more. The new transcriptions are listed at: http://www.patsabin.com/colleton/new.html Bev worked very hard on this, and we really appreciate the contribution to the Colleton County SCGenWeb Project! Happy hunting! Pat Sabin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Padgett, Wiggins, Fralix, Kinard, McCormick Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1476 Message Board Post: I am looking for any descendents of Samuel Padgett and Elizabeth Goodwin. My great-grandmother, Maude Amelia Wiggins, is the daughter of Elizabeth Padgett, who married Paul Wiggins. Elizabeth was the daughter of Isham Padgett. Isham Padgett was the son of Samuel Padgett and Elizabeth Goodwin. I understand that Isham is the brother of Joel "Wildcat" Padgett and James Job Padgett. Any info. on the family would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/9.110.134.429.1 Message Board Post: Hi Timothy, I saw your post about Madison Duncan Padgett. I don't know if this is a definite connection, but I have a Duncan Padgett in my family line who was 10 years old in the 1850 census. He could have been old enough to be father to your Madison Duncan -- and Duncan is not a common name. If you would like some further back family information on the Duncan who was 10 in 1850, please let me know. I can be reached at t_huff@yahoo.com. Tracey Huff

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/9.133 Message Board Post: Hi Chuck, My great-grandmother was a daughter of Elizabeth Padgett who married Paul Wiggins. Elizabeth Padgett was the daughter of Isham Padgett, who was one of the sons of Samuel Padgett. I would welcome any information you have on the family. I see where you have that Samuel migrated from NC. I saw elsewhere where someone said he was born in New England. Again, any info. would be appreciated. Tracey Huff t_huff@yahoo.com

Can someone tell me exactly where the John Herndon cemetery is located and how I can get to it. Also maybe someone has a listing of the people that are buried there. Thanks for your time and help. Al Hooker

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1474.1 Message Board Post: The question about who Benjamin B.. Risher was came up on one of the other forums about 6 months ago, still no answer. http://genforum.genealogy.com/risher/messages/591.html Most of us agree that John and Sarah Risher were livng in Saint Batholomew Parish in the late 1700's. The parish was a part of Charleston Distict at the time. Two of their sons also settled in the parish: Benjamin Risher, Sr. and Richard Risher. Some researchers indicate there may have been another son or sons. But other than Benjamin we don't know if the others married and had families. At the present time, it would seem that Ben was the only one that fathered children. Besides Benjamin B.. Risher other homeless Rishers include Samuel Risher who became a Methodsit minister for a short period. Elethea/Hannah Risher who married Michael Burdge around 1790, and Silas Risher, a Baptist minister who was born in 1808. Most of the Rishers currently living in Colleton County today seem to be descended from Silas. One belief is Silas came to Colleton County in the 1830's; some think he was a native of Colleton County and might be related to the John /Sarah Risher line. Benjamin Risher, Sr's oldest son Francis is also a mystery. Some think Francis moved to Georgia others feel he settled in what is now Berkely County. Generally, it is beleived that Francis married Elizabeth Threewitts and that they had at least two children: Benjamin Risher and Mary Risher, the latter is believed to have married an Owens. In 1843, a Benjamin Risher, became a trustee of Spring Hill Methodsit Church in what is now Berkeley County. Was this the son of Francis Risher? I had thought that this might have been the Benjamin B.. Risher shown in the 1850 Colleton Census. More than likely they were two different men. In 1850 St Jamess Goose Creek Parish was a part of Charleston District. (Its now part of Berkeley County.) The 1850 census shows the following families in St. James Goose Creek Parish: Family #343 Thommas Risher, age 36 Elizabeth Risher, age 32 There are also 4 children whose names I have having difficulty in reading. Family #346 Benjamin Risher, age 40 Susan risher age 30 Eliza Risher age 13 M. Risher, f, age 11 Susanah Risher, age 9 Martha Risher, age 7 Benjamin Risher, age 5 Jane Risher, age 1 Family # 347 Anna Risher, age 42 (believe she was a widow) Thomas Risher, Age 19 James Risher, age 17 Family #348 Richard Risher, age 24 Louisa Risher, age 19 Were the heads of household children or grandchildren of Francis Risher? Were they related to Francis?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: RAYSOR, RISHER, STOKES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1475 Message Board Post: I know I've asked this question on the Bamberg County message board, but I'm not sure if I have on the Colleton board. The discussion of the Shieders made me think of it. I mentioned that Mary Elizabeth Tatum married Jefferson Stokes, son of Peter Stokes and Lucy T. Risher (it was Mary's sister who married James Shieder). Based on my grandmother's notes, I know that at least one of the children of Jefferson Stokes and Mary E. Tatum Stokes (Daisy Margaret Stokes) was buried in the Old Zion Methodist Church Cemetery, now in Bamberg County near the Hunter's Chapel community. The church has been gone for decades, and the cemetery is now surrounded by a pine forest. There are only two well marked and fenced plots: Black and Raysor. There are some older Rhoad/Road graves, too. There is one small fenced plot in which no stones are visible, and a lot of rolling terrain, indicating that something is under the debris. If anyone has any family members that they suspect are buried here, please let me know. This is very close to the Colleton County line.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Risher Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1474 Message Board Post: Anybody have a clue who Benjamin B. Risher b. 1816, living with mother or grandmother? Ann Risher b. 1774 in the 1850 census? St. Bartholomew's Parish Page 195B 1850 Colleton Household 194 Benj. B. Risher age 34 M Lumber Getter Ann Risher age 76 F

Hello to all Risher descendants and researchers. I have no claim to the name, but am curious as to why it was my g-g-grandfather’s middle name. Capt. John Risher Hill was born 15 Jun 1816 in Colleton Co. In 1841 he married my g-g-grandmother, Mary Ann Addison, daughter of James Decatur Addison and Elvira Lemacks. John and Mary had 8 children. Mary Ann died in 1855 and John then married Temperance (Fox) Reeves. With her he had 8 more children. All of these people lived in or near Walterboro. It is believed that William Baker Hill was a brother of Cap.t John Hill. If anyone knows of any relationship between any Hill and Risher families I would love to hear from you. I can supply children’s names if requested. Best of luck to all in your research. Carole Williams

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Minus Shieder Risher Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/365.1 Message Board Post: Probable birthdate of the widow Shieder? I have Ann M. Risher Shieder b. 1831, young enough to remarry after the death of her husband. -Bev

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Shieder Shider Sheider Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1472.1.1 Message Board Post: I had speculated a Shieder connection due to the burials in the cemetery but had never proven the connection. I know little about the Shieders, but did notice the James family and thought it likely a sibling connection as well. The age group is right. On further research I found a couple more adult males in the 1850 census named Shieder with families. They all seem to disappear (migrated probably) and there are very few burials listed for any Shieders in the area. I found one post regarding a Thomas Shider (sic) in Georgia who was born in SC. I responded to the post with the possible connection in Colleton but haven't heard back yet. -Bev

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Raysor Stokes Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ncB.2ACE/1473.1 Message Board Post: I haven't been able to locate either of their graves. It is my opinion (ONLY opinion :-) that they are buried at the Raysor Fam. Cemetery (Shieder-Raysor-Risher Cem). Also I believe Benj. Risher (3) wife Mary and possibly their daughter Ann M., wife of Thomas Shieder, unless she remarried and is buried under 2nd husband's name. I believe there are stones there that have not been uncovered due to the extreme brambles. The size of the earthen hills which surround the cemetery indicate many more graves than we have located and I've never heard of it being properly cleaned or probed for more burials. -Bev