That was great - thanks for sharing it! What we do is so much more important than just collecting names and dates. Pat S Larry or Donna Hall wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 12:10 PM > Subject: Why We Do It > > > ((Forward= Please do not reply)) > > Subj: Why We Do It From: [email protected] > > I received this today from a cousin that I have not yet met. I know that > all > > of you can relate to this. Pat C. Johns > > > > WHY WE DO IT > > > > Today I want to describe for you what finding our ancestors in terms of > being > > one of the major reasons why I do what I do these days on the Internet, > for > > myself, for my children and grandchildren and for others....and I have an > > idea, that similar circumstances are the reason many researchers are > involved > > as well. I think more than a few of you will identify with my thoughts and > > motivations here... > > > > I loved that old homeplace dearly, as many of you loved a similar place > that > > now exists only in your minds and hearts. I frequently "walk" through it, > > escaping todays to yesterdays and memories, willing myself to remember the > > touch of fabric, the coolness of hardwood floors on my barefeet, the > weight > > of a fat white china cup in my hands, the way the afternoon sun slanted > and > > cast shadows on the floor of a long front porch. Those memories are a > comfort > > to me, because beyond the "things" I have that were there, they are all I > > have left of the place I knew. I know that many of you feel the same, and > > have another place you "walk" for comfort at times. > > > > But those memories I have, and you have, will be gone all too soon, > leaving > > this world at the same time that we do...just as the memories of our > > grandfathers and great-grandmothers left with them, and unless they are > given > > and passed on, it is as if those things had never been other than what > > "facts" are left behind on scraps of paper. > > > > This came to me in a very real way recently when the daughter of my first > > cousin (who is now gone to the next world) contacted me. A young mother, > the > > family's heritage is beginning to be of importance to her. And she asked > for > > my memories, the memories her mother died before she could pass on...and > so I > > have begun to write them for her and to give her what I cannot leave in > any > > tangible form other than description. I have walked her through the family > > homeplace willing her to see through my eyes, and I have introduced her to > > the great-grandfather she never knew, trying to give her a balanced > picture > > of him, the good and the bad, making him human and of breathing living > flesh > > for her. > > > > For the same reason, documenting the family line in that country is also > > important. I want to know who the grandparents of my grandfather were, > > because I have no memories of him telling me about them. I know he must > have > > treasured memories of those who lived in his time, and I know he must have > > treasured the stories that he heard of those who did not. Because it was > > important to him, and knowing him, I know it is important to me. My > > grandfather was of another world and time, as many of yours were. And in > that > > day and time, the passing on of roots came through the oral tradition. > They > > little understood that the coming ways of this world would > > leave little inclination or time for oral passing of roots...and that > unless > > a generation following them had the wisdom to record it, all was lost. > > > > I rue that I was young when he sat so long talking his long tales of "who > > beget who" and of things that had happened, where they happened, and those > > who peopled those stories. I am frustrated that I, as did his children, > > "tuned" much of this out. It is not just a matter of "proving" a > > lineage...much, much more, it is a matter of salvaging that which was > > important to one I loved...and giving it to those like my cousin's > children > > and my own children.... passing on the things that were of importance in > an > > endless chain of loving memories. I cannot turn back the clock, and I > cannot > > make my grandfather be here again with me at a time in which I am ready > > and mature enough now to listen to his endless stories that wound on hour > > after hour....but I still draw breath, and I can piece together what I can > > find, add to that what I do remember...and give the next generation > something > > far more precious than the money. > > > > We no longer have our Murphy or Howard or Dodd or Greathouse homes in > > Alabama, and even some of the family burial grounds where my great > > grandfather, great great grandfather and possibly before that are buried, > > have been taken from us. All we have is our history....and so you see why > it > > is important beyond description that we preserve our history. It is all we > > have left of our roots. And I suspect that many of you, if for whatever > > reason your ancestral lands and homeplace are gone, feel the same. > > > > Please remember this when others contact you. Their reasons may have > nothing > > to do with wanting to join an elite organization, may have nothing to do > with > > idle curiosity, may have nothing to do with simple scholarship and an > abiding > > love of research....more often, I am finding, it is a situation in which > > family history is an anchor to hold to in this fast-paced and all too > > impersonal world. It is a situation in which all the heritage or "home" a > > family has left is its history. It is a situation in which a person > regrets > > not finding important those things elders talked of at the time they > talked > > of them, and with maturity wants to salvage what they can of the memories > of > > elders who went on before them.Your words and help are often far more > > important than you can possibly realize, and will cause a heart to leap, > > bring tears to an eye in gratitude. > > > > In other words, it is often a matter of the "heart" and any small tidbit > or > > fact, any direction you can find time to give, is more meaningful than > gold > > to that person who longs so desperately to find his or her humble link in > a > > long chain...and pass it on, giving the generation to come roots and a > sense > > of belonging in a world that is uncertain. "...and departing leave behind > us, > > footprints in the sands of time." > > > > Pat Dodd Greathouse > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Why We Do It > ((Forward= Please do not reply)) > Subj: Why We Do It From: [email protected] > I received this today from a cousin that I have not yet met. I know that all > of you can relate to this. Pat C. Johns > > WHY WE DO IT > > Today I want to describe for you what finding our ancestors in terms of being > one of the major reasons why I do what I do these days on the Internet, for > myself, for my children and grandchildren and for others....and I have an > idea, that similar circumstances are the reason many researchers are involved > as well. I think more than a few of you will identify with my thoughts and > motivations here... > > I loved that old homeplace dearly, as many of you loved a similar place that > now exists only in your minds and hearts. I frequently "walk" through it, > escaping todays to yesterdays and memories, willing myself to remember the > touch of fabric, the coolness of hardwood floors on my barefeet, the weight > of a fat white china cup in my hands, the way the afternoon sun slanted and > cast shadows on the floor of a long front porch. Those memories are a comfort > to me, because beyond the "things" I have that were there, they are all I > have left of the place I knew. I know that many of you feel the same, and > have another place you "walk" for comfort at times. > > But those memories I have, and you have, will be gone all too soon, leaving > this world at the same time that we do...just as the memories of our > grandfathers and great-grandmothers left with them, and unless they are given > and passed on, it is as if those things had never been other than what > "facts" are left behind on scraps of paper. > > This came to me in a very real way recently when the daughter of my first > cousin (who is now gone to the next world) contacted me. A young mother, the > family's heritage is beginning to be of importance to her. And she asked for > my memories, the memories her mother died before she could pass on...and so I > have begun to write them for her and to give her what I cannot leave in any > tangible form other than description. I have walked her through the family > homeplace willing her to see through my eyes, and I have introduced her to > the great-grandfather she never knew, trying to give her a balanced picture > of him, the good and the bad, making him human and of breathing living flesh > for her. > > For the same reason, documenting the family line in that country is also > important. I want to know who the grandparents of my grandfather were, > because I have no memories of him telling me about them. I know he must have > treasured memories of those who lived in his time, and I know he must have > treasured the stories that he heard of those who did not. Because it was > important to him, and knowing him, I know it is important to me. My > grandfather was of another world and time, as many of yours were. And in that > day and time, the passing on of roots came through the oral tradition. They > little understood that the coming ways of this world would > leave little inclination or time for oral passing of roots...and that unless > a generation following them had the wisdom to record it, all was lost. > > I rue that I was young when he sat so long talking his long tales of "who > beget who" and of things that had happened, where they happened, and those > who peopled those stories. I am frustrated that I, as did his children, > "tuned" much of this out. It is not just a matter of "proving" a > lineage...much, much more, it is a matter of salvaging that which was > important to one I loved...and giving it to those like my cousin's children > and my own children.... passing on the things that were of importance in an > endless chain of loving memories. I cannot turn back the clock, and I cannot > make my grandfather be here again with me at a time in which I am ready > and mature enough now to listen to his endless stories that wound on hour > after hour....but I still draw breath, and I can piece together what I can > find, add to that what I do remember...and give the next generation something > far more precious than the money. > > We no longer have our Murphy or Howard or Dodd or Greathouse homes in > Alabama, and even some of the family burial grounds where my great > grandfather, great great grandfather and possibly before that are buried, > have been taken from us. All we have is our history....and so you see why it > is important beyond description that we preserve our history. It is all we > have left of our roots. And I suspect that many of you, if for whatever > reason your ancestral lands and homeplace are gone, feel the same. > > Please remember this when others contact you. Their reasons may have nothing > to do with wanting to join an elite organization, may have nothing to do with > idle curiosity, may have nothing to do with simple scholarship and an abiding > love of research....more often, I am finding, it is a situation in which > family history is an anchor to hold to in this fast-paced and all too > impersonal world. It is a situation in which all the heritage or "home" a > family has left is its history. It is a situation in which a person regrets > not finding important those things elders talked of at the time they talked > of them, and with maturity wants to salvage what they can of the memories of > elders who went on before them.Your words and help are often far more > important than you can possibly realize, and will cause a heart to leap, > bring tears to an eye in gratitude. > > In other words, it is often a matter of the "heart" and any small tidbit or > fact, any direction you can find time to give, is more meaningful than gold > to that person who longs so desperately to find his or her humble link in a > long chain...and pass it on, giving the generation to come roots and a sense > of belonging in a world that is uncertain. "...and departing leave behind us, > footprints in the sands of time." > > Pat Dodd Greathouse >

Dear Ms. Ballard: Thank you for calling me a thief and a childish bully. What are you trying to accomplish with your insults? If your motivations are altruistic, why are you attacking me about making them public? Are you going to tell me you never copied a page out of a book, rather than buying the book? I was generous in that I did not try to ascribe negative motivations about you, simply that the decision to publish a book overlooks societal and technological changes which have occurred in the past 10-20 years. I am hardly a thief, and I am not asking anyone to do something which I have not already done myself. I have gone to the Texas State Archives and done look-ups for people; gone to local cemeteries, taken photos and sent them to people; tracked down people who have done local cemetery surveys and requested permission to put their surveys on-line; transcribed cemeteries and added updates and notes to them to make them more helpful than just "Mr X born-died", etc. When I built upon the works of others, I gave them full recognition and credit for their efforts. I have also dealt with one of the locals who is very self-aggrandizing and has no qualms about taking the un-copyrighted work of others and claiming it for their own. I think it is commendable for the St. Bartholomew's Genealogical Society (SBGS?) to embark upon such a project - although that is the kind of project that genealogical societies do, is it not? Look at what has been done by the Salt Lake Genealogical Society, admittedly with large support from the Mormon Church. But was the motivation of the SBGS members to work so hard gathering the cemetery information so they could publish a book or to MAKE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE to others for research? Publishing on the internet is still publishing; it just isn't in book form. Perhaps Madame President has mis-interpreted the desires and motives of the workers? Perhaps someone on the committee wants to see their name on a book? But now I am speculating. If the information is almost ready for publication, that means it is already stored in computer usable format, so the information could be made available on the internet for access by researchers around the world, with very little additional effort and probably for no cost to either the SBGS or the researchers. How much will it cost SBGS to publish and stock pile the book and try to sell it? SBGS may have its funds tied up for a long time. Perhaps others that have been this route will share their experiences with us? Someone else wrote me and indicated she had previously communicated with Evelyn Bryan, who co-authored "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County" and others, and that she doesn't want her work put on-line because she still has copies of her book for sale. This is perfectly understandable and every bit her right. If I had e-mail for her, I would look into buying one. As an aside, I would like to get a copy of Hiers Family Genealogy, too, but it is long out of print and the author indicated to me a few months back he was not planning a reprint. In closing, I would like to see the information made available to as many as possible, and I think the SBGS is probably making a mistake financially when (if) they publish a book. Best regards, John Sullivan Austin, Texas > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Ballard [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 5:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! > > > Mr. Sullivan, > > Your attitude seems to be the same as that of a thief. Don't > purchase, > create, or legally obtain, but simple take whatever you want > because you > know someone has it. > > For your information, I am one of the few members who organized the > Genealogy chapter that you mention. Our members have spent many hours > assisting people on the net and by snailmail in obtaining information > information on their ancestors for free, simply by asking > nicely. We will > not be intimidated by any childish bully who thinks the world owes him > anything he wants while he sits playing at his computer. > > The subject cemetery information is almost ready to go to > press. Hopefully, > within the next 6 months it will be made available to all. > For 3 years our > members have worked very hard to acquire information that was to be > published and preserved to enable it to help people find > their loved ones. > No one else would do the project, so we are. > > Shame on you. > > Judy > Treasurer > Old St. Bartholomew Chapter > > and darn proud of our work too. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sullivan, John <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:28 PM > Subject: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! > > > > Dear SC list, > > Welcome to the new millennium (some may say a year early). > > I was perfectly aware of why the Cemetery Listings were not > > on-line and I completely disagree with the reasoning. > > > > In my humble opinion: > > A few years ago, books were almost the only way to disseminate > information. > > > > The genealogical societies put out various books in order to > > share the information. Their clients were libraries, professional > > genealogists, and other genealogical societies, and probably a small > > number of individuals. I doubt if any of the publishers made any > > significant money, rather, I suspect most ventures lost money or > > broke even. We're not talking blockbuster novels on the NY > Times Best > > Seller list ("Cold Mountain"), we're talking about cemetery lists! > > > > As for the people who actually did the cemetery surveys, I suspect > > they did it simply because they wanted the information to > be available > > to more than the few people close enough to go to the cemeteries > themselves. > > > > In other words, they did it for the purpose of sharing the > information > with > > as many people as possible. That has been my experience > with the people > > where I live who have done surveys, including myself. > Labor of love, so > > they say. > > > > A professional genealogist or business certainly > > has the right to go do survey(s), compile them, hoard them, > and/or sell > > them. (Ever think about who holds the copyright on a tombstone > > inscription?) > > Family tree maker even gets people to give information to them so > > they can sell it to others. The donors do it to > disseminate the data and > > find others with similar interests. > > But should a local non-profit genealogical society be hoarding and > selling? > > > > Isn't part of its charter to make the information available. > > > > As I said before, welcome to the new millennium. The > internet is the best > > place in the world to share and disseminate information. > > Bad for hoarders and profiteers. > > > > And who knows when, if ever, the genealogical society will > publish their > > book. > > > > If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them > > to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and > > see about getting them published on the internet. please, > no copyrighted > > material unless you can send permission from the copyright holder. > > > > I was shocked to be told that the local genealogical society is in > > opposition to on-line publishing and the people maintaining > the local > > web site are on the side of keeping the information unavailable. > > > > You are probably getting this e-mail via a listserve sponsored by > > RootsWeb. Think about International Ships Transcribers Guild, > > on-line census pages and transcriptions, people who publish their > > family trees for the world to see, etc. Think about it! > > > > Best regards, > > > > John Sullivan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jane Hurd [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:26 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SCCOLLET] From List Manager: about St. Bart. > Genealogy Society > > > > OK folks, > > > > I understand their position. They are a non-profit > organization. If they > > have local projects that want to complete, they must > generate revenue from > > membership dues, publishing books, etc. > > > > If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't > give permssion > to > > somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without > > permission, it's called copyright violation. > > > > I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries > online as long > as > > I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good > business sense. > > > > The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the > generosity > > > > of the surviving authors. The books were published in > 1978, 1979 and are > > OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of > libraries and most > > libraries who have them, don't allow them released on > interlibrary loan. > > > > I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's > permission. > > I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do > lookups without > their > > group's permission. > > I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I > don't have fast > > access to the cemeteries. > > > > Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the > group (several > of > > them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the > local records? > > > > The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter > > 104 Wade Hampton Ave. > > Walterboro, SC 29488 > > > > Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of > each month, except > > July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. > > > > If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina > > Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are > > > > individual $12.00 > > family $18.00 > > associate $8.00 > > > > NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of > another chapter > > of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues > were paid by > the > > > > first chapter you had joined. > > > > I do know the frustration of not having access to the > records that pertain > > to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through > South Carolina > and > > > > burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. > > > > Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it > from their point > of > > view. Can someone post the status of the book? > > > > Jane Hurd > > [email protected] > > > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > > > > > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. > > >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, > > >and have been told there is opposition to making them > > >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society > > >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > > > > > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", > > >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > > > > > >Anyone out there have the information available and > > >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > >John Sullivan > > >Austin, Texas > > > > > > > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > > >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > > > > > >============================== > > >Free Web space. 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Anyone who cares to correspond with John Sullivan may do so privately [email protected] I have chosen to unsubscribe him and put him on a reject list. Jane >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:22:07 -0600 > >Dear Ms. Ballard: > >Thank you for calling me a thief and a childish bully. >What are you trying to accomplish with your insults? >If your motivations are altruistic, why are you attacking >me about making them public? >Are you going to tell me you never copied a page out of a book, >rather than buying the book? >I was generous in that I did not try to ascribe negative >motivations about you, simply that the decision to publish >a book overlooks societal and technological changes which >have occurred in the past 10-20 years. > >I am hardly a thief, and I am not asking anyone to do something >which I have not already done myself. I have gone to the Texas >State Archives and done look-ups for people; gone to local >cemeteries, taken photos and sent them to people; tracked down >people who have done local cemetery surveys and requested permission >to put their surveys on-line; transcribed cemeteries and added >updates and notes to them to make them more helpful than just >"Mr X born-died", etc. When I built upon the works of others, >I gave them full recognition and credit for their efforts. >I have also dealt with one of the locals who is very >self-aggrandizing and has no qualms about taking the >un-copyrighted work of others and claiming it for their own. > >I think it is commendable for the St. Bartholomew's Genealogical >Society (SBGS?) to embark upon such a project - although that is the kind >of > >project that genealogical societies do, is it not? Look at what has >been done by the Salt Lake Genealogical Society, admittedly with large >support >from the Mormon Church. >But was the motivation of the SBGS members to work so hard gathering the >cemetery >information so they could publish a book or to MAKE THE INFORMATION >AVAILABLE to others for research? Publishing on the internet is still >publishing; it just isn't in book form. > >Perhaps Madame President has mis-interpreted the desires and motives of the >workers? Perhaps someone on the committee wants to see their name on a >book? >But now I am speculating. > >If the information is almost ready for publication, that means it is >already > >stored in computer usable format, so the information could be made >available > >on the internet for access by researchers around the world, with very >little > >additional effort and probably for no cost to either the SBGS or the >researchers. > >How much will it cost SBGS to publish and stock pile the >book and try to sell it? SBGS may have its funds tied up >for a long time. Perhaps others that have been this route will >share their experiences with us? > >Someone else wrote me and indicated she had previously communicated >with Evelyn Bryan, who co-authored "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton >County" and others, and that she doesn't want her work put on-line >because she still has copies of her book for sale. This is perfectly >understandable and every bit her right. If I had e-mail for >her, I would look into buying one. As an aside, I would like >to get a copy of Hiers Family Genealogy, too, but it is long >out of print and the author indicated to me a few months back >he was not planning a reprint. > >In closing, I would like to see the information made available >to as many as possible, and I think the SBGS is probably making >a mistake financially when (if) they publish a book. > >Best regards, > >John Sullivan >Austin, Texas > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Judy Ballard [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 5:19 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! > > > > > > Mr. Sullivan, > > > > Your attitude seems to be the same as that of a thief. Don't > > purchase, > > create, or legally obtain, but simple take whatever you want > > because you > > know someone has it. > > > > For your information, I am one of the few members who organized the > > Genealogy chapter that you mention. Our members have spent many hours > > assisting people on the net and by snailmail in obtaining information > > information on their ancestors for free, simply by asking > > nicely. We will > > not be intimidated by any childish bully who thinks the world owes him > > anything he wants while he sits playing at his computer. > > > > The subject cemetery information is almost ready to go to > > press. Hopefully, > > within the next 6 months it will be made available to all. > > For 3 years our > > members have worked very hard to acquire information that was to be > > published and preserved to enable it to help people find > > their loved ones. > > No one else would do the project, so we are. > > > > Shame on you. > > > > Judy > > Treasurer > > Old St. Bartholomew Chapter > > > > and darn proud of our work too. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sullivan, John <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:28 PM > > Subject: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! > > > > > > > Dear SC list, > > > Welcome to the new millennium (some may say a year early). > > > I was perfectly aware of why the Cemetery Listings were not > > > on-line and I completely disagree with the reasoning. > > > > > > In my humble opinion: > > > A few years ago, books were almost the only way to disseminate > > information. > > > > > > The genealogical societies put out various books in order to > > > share the information. Their clients were libraries, professional > > > genealogists, and other genealogical societies, and probably a small > > > number of individuals. I doubt if any of the publishers made any > > > significant money, rather, I suspect most ventures lost money or > > > broke even. We're not talking blockbuster novels on the NY > > Times Best > > > Seller list ("Cold Mountain"), we're talking about cemetery lists! > > > > > > As for the people who actually did the cemetery surveys, I suspect > > > they did it simply because they wanted the information to > > be available > > > to more than the few people close enough to go to the cemeteries > > themselves. > > > > > > In other words, they did it for the purpose of sharing the > > information > > with > > > as many people as possible. That has been my experience > > with the people > > > where I live who have done surveys, including myself. > > Labor of love, so > > > they say. > > > > > > A professional genealogist or business certainly > > > has the right to go do survey(s), compile them, hoard them, > > and/or sell > > > them. (Ever think about who holds the copyright on a tombstone > > > inscription?) > > > Family tree maker even gets people to give information to them so > > > they can sell it to others. The donors do it to > > disseminate the data and > > > find others with similar interests. > > > But should a local non-profit genealogical society be hoarding and > > selling? > > > > > > Isn't part of its charter to make the information available. > > > > > > As I said before, welcome to the new millennium. The > > internet is the best > > > place in the world to share and disseminate information. > > > Bad for hoarders and profiteers. > > > > > > And who knows when, if ever, the genealogical society will > > publish their > > > book. > > > > > > If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them > > > to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and > > > see about getting them published on the internet. please, > > no copyrighted > > > material unless you can send permission from the copyright holder. > > > > > > I was shocked to be told that the local genealogical society is in > > > opposition to on-line publishing and the people maintaining > > the local > > > web site are on the side of keeping the information unavailable. > > > > > > You are probably getting this e-mail via a listserve sponsored by > > > RootsWeb. Think about International Ships Transcribers Guild, > > > on-line census pages and transcriptions, people who publish their > > > family trees for the world to see, etc. Think about it! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > John Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jane Hurd [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:26 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [SCCOLLET] From List Manager: about St. Bart. > > Genealogy Society > > > > > > OK folks, > > > > > > I understand their position. They are a non-profit > > organization. If they > > > have local projects that want to complete, they must > > generate revenue from > > > membership dues, publishing books, etc. > > > > > > If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't > > give permssion > > to > > > somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without > > > permission, it's called copyright violation. > > > > > > I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries > > online as long > > as > > > I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good > > business sense. > > > > > > The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the > > generosity > > > > > > of the surviving authors. The books were published in > > 1978, 1979 and are > > > OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of > > libraries and most > > > libraries who have them, don't allow them released on > > interlibrary loan. > > > > > > I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's > > permission. > > > I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do > > lookups without > > their > > > group's permission. > > > I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I > > don't have fast > > > access to the cemeteries. > > > > > > Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the > > group (several > > of > > > them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the > > local records? > > > > > > The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter > > > 104 Wade Hampton Ave. > > > Walterboro, SC 29488 > > > > > > Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of > > each month, except > > > July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. > > > > > > If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina > > > Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are > > > > > > individual $12.00 > > > family $18.00 > > > associate $8.00 > > > > > > NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of > > another chapter > > > of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues > > were paid by > > the > > > > > > first chapter you had joined. > > > > > > I do know the frustration of not having access to the > > records that pertain > > > to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through > > South Carolina > > and > > > > > > burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. > > > > > > Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it > > from their point > > of > > > view. Can someone post the status of the book? > > > > > > Jane Hurd > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > > > > > > > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. > > > >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, > > > >and have been told there is opposition to making them > > > >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society > > > >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > > > > > > > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", > > > >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > > > > > > > >Anyone out there have the information available and > > > >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > > > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > > > >John Sullivan > > > >Austin, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > > >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > > > >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > > >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rootsweb has started a new discussion list for both Colleton and > > Dorchester > > > Cos. > > > To subscribe: [email protected] or > > > [email protected] > > > with subscribe as the subject > > > > > > To post, use this shorter address: [email protected] > > > [email protected] > > > Jane Hurd > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > > > > Colleton Co SC - American Local History Network > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > > > > > > Darlington County SCGenWeb > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5641/ > > > > > > Darlington Co SC - American Local History Network > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_darlington.html > > > > > > Dorchester County SCGenWeb > > > http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/1956/dorchester.html > > > > > > Union Co SC - American Local History Network > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_union.html > > > > > > Williamsburg Co SC - American Local History Network > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_williamsburg.html > > > > > > Jane's Space on the Web > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/jane-web.html > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > > > > > ============================== > > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >Colleton Co SCGenWeb > >============================== >Free Web space. 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Hi Sarah, Thank you for your comments. I'll try to construct an informative statement over the weekend. Jane >From: [email protected] (The Edmondson Family) >Reply-To: "Sarah Edmondson" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:38:45 -0500 > >Thank you, Jane. I think the discussion of the last few days has been good >in that it helps researchers to know just what the constraints, rules, >restrictions, possibilities are on a certain web site. In fact, I think it >would be a good idea for each county site to have a statement (maybe a >mission statement type of thing) on their site stating the types of >materials they are trying to provide, the types of materials they will >accept and encourage, and especially the particular status of genealogy >materials, genealogy organizations and information in their county. I have >seen a few that do this and it is very helpful. It is a lot of hard work to >maintain a site and those of us doing research really appreciate all the >effort of people who have volunteered to maintain a county site. > > >Sarah Edmondson > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >Colleton Co SCGenWeb > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Ms Ballard, Thieves in the night do not share. That is what all of this is about. I think most of us were taught to share and share alike. Basic Bible principals should be used by all of us. If you do not believe in the Bible, then consider it an act of decency to another human being. I can appreciate the work that was done gathering the info for your book. However, in this day and age of computers and scanners so much more can be done to help us leave a legacy of some sort to our grandchildren. I am nearing 60 and do not have forever. Thanks to this computer, I have obtained information that I thought would be impossible. With physical handicaps that limit how long or how much I can do, this is a God send. If your work with the Genealogy or Historical Society or what ever, have created a problem for you, may be you should no longer be a volunteer . You do appear to have a genuine conflict of interest. May God Bless us all. Windy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Ballard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! > Mr. Sullivan, > > Your attitude seems to be the same as that of a thief. Don't purchase, > create, or legally obtain, but simple take whatever you want because you > know someone has it. > > For your information, I am one of the few members who organized the > Genealogy chapter that you mention. Our members have spent many hours > assisting people on the net and by snailmail in obtaining information > information on their ancestors for free, simply by asking nicely. We will > not be intimidated by any childish bully who thinks the world owes him > anything he wants while he sits playing at his computer. > > The subject cemetery information is almost ready to go to press. Hopefully, > within the next 6 months it will be made available to all. For 3 years our > members have worked very hard to acquire information that was to be > published and preserved to enable it to help people find their loved ones. > No one else would do the project, so we are. > > Shame on you. > > Judy > Treasurer > Old St. Bartholomew Chapter > > and darn proud of our work too. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sullivan, John <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:28 PM > Subject: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! > > > > Dear SC list, > > Welcome to the new millennium (some may say a year early). > > I was perfectly aware of why the Cemetery Listings were not > > on-line and I completely disagree with the reasoning. > > > > In my humble opinion: > > A few years ago, books were almost the only way to disseminate > information. > > > > The genealogical societies put out various books in order to > > share the information. Their clients were libraries, professional > > genealogists, and other genealogical societies, and probably a small > > number of individuals. I doubt if any of the publishers made any > > significant money, rather, I suspect most ventures lost money or > > broke even. We're not talking blockbuster novels on the NY Times Best > > Seller list ("Cold Mountain"), we're talking about cemetery lists! > > > > As for the people who actually did the cemetery surveys, I suspect > > they did it simply because they wanted the information to be available > > to more than the few people close enough to go to the cemeteries > themselves. > > > > In other words, they did it for the purpose of sharing the information > with > > as many people as possible. That has been my experience with the people > > where I live who have done surveys, including myself. Labor of love, so > > they say. > > > > A professional genealogist or business certainly > > has the right to go do survey(s), compile them, hoard them, and/or sell > > them. (Ever think about who holds the copyright on a tombstone > > inscription?) > > Family tree maker even gets people to give information to them so > > they can sell it to others. The donors do it to disseminate the data and > > find others with similar interests. > > But should a local non-profit genealogical society be hoarding and > selling? > > > > Isn't part of its charter to make the information available. > > > > As I said before, welcome to the new millennium. The internet is the best > > place in the world to share and disseminate information. > > Bad for hoarders and profiteers. > > > > And who knows when, if ever, the genealogical society will publish their > > book. > > > > If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them > > to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and > > see about getting them published on the internet. please, no copyrighted > > material unless you can send permission from the copyright holder. > > > > I was shocked to be told that the local genealogical society is in > > opposition to on-line publishing and the people maintaining the local > > web site are on the side of keeping the information unavailable. > > > > You are probably getting this e-mail via a listserve sponsored by > > RootsWeb. Think about International Ships Transcribers Guild, > > on-line census pages and transcriptions, people who publish their > > family trees for the world to see, etc. Think about it! > > > > Best regards, > > > > John Sullivan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jane Hurd [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:26 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SCCOLLET] From List Manager: about St. Bart. Genealogy Society > > > > OK folks, > > > > I understand their position. They are a non-profit organization. If they > > have local projects that want to complete, they must generate revenue from > > membership dues, publishing books, etc. > > > > If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't give permssion > to > > somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without > > permission, it's called copyright violation. > > > > I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries online as long > as > > I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good business sense. > > > > The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the > generosity > > > > of the surviving authors. The books were published in 1978, 1979 and are > > OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of libraries and most > > libraries who have them, don't allow them released on interlibrary loan. > > > > I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's permission. > > I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do lookups without > their > > group's permission. > > I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I don't have fast > > access to the cemeteries. > > > > Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the group (several > of > > them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the local records? > > > > The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter > > 104 Wade Hampton Ave. > > Walterboro, SC 29488 > > > > Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of each month, except > > July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. > > > > If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina > > Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are > > > > individual $12.00 > > family $18.00 > > associate $8.00 > > > > NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of another chapter > > of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues were paid by > the > > > > first chapter you had joined. > > > > I do know the frustration of not having access to the records that pertain > > to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through South Carolina > and > > > > burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. > > > > Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it from their point > of > > view. Can someone post the status of the book? > > > > Jane Hurd > > [email protected] > > > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > > > > > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. > > >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, > > >and have been told there is opposition to making them > > >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society > > >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > > > > > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", > > >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > > > > > >Anyone out there have the information available and > > >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > >John Sullivan > > >Austin, Texas > > > > > > > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > > >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > > > > > >============================== > > >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > > > Rootsweb has started a new discussion list for both Colleton and > Dorchester > > Cos. > > To subscribe: [email protected] or > > [email protected] > > with subscribe as the subject > > > > To post, use this shorter address: [email protected] > > [email protected] > > Jane Hurd > > [email protected] > > > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > > Colleton Co SC - American Local History Network > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > > > > Darlington County SCGenWeb > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5641/ > > > > Darlington Co SC - American Local History Network > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_darlington.html > > > > Dorchester County SCGenWeb > > http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/1956/dorchester.html > > > > Union Co SC - American Local History Network > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_union.html > > > > Williamsburg Co SC - American Local History Network > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_williamsburg.html > > > > Jane's Space on the Web > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/jane-web.html > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Mr. Sullivan, Your attitude seems to be the same as that of a thief. Don't purchase, create, or legally obtain, but simple take whatever you want because you know someone has it. For your information, I am one of the few members who organized the Genealogy chapter that you mention. Our members have spent many hours assisting people on the net and by snailmail in obtaining information information on their ancestors for free, simply by asking nicely. We will not be intimidated by any childish bully who thinks the world owes him anything he wants while he sits playing at his computer. The subject cemetery information is almost ready to go to press. Hopefully, within the next 6 months it will be made available to all. For 3 years our members have worked very hard to acquire information that was to be published and preserved to enable it to help people find their loved ones. No one else would do the project, so we are. Shame on you. Judy Treasurer Old St. Bartholomew Chapter and darn proud of our work too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sullivan, John <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! > Dear SC list, > Welcome to the new millennium (some may say a year early). > I was perfectly aware of why the Cemetery Listings were not > on-line and I completely disagree with the reasoning. > > In my humble opinion: > A few years ago, books were almost the only way to disseminate information. > > The genealogical societies put out various books in order to > share the information. Their clients were libraries, professional > genealogists, and other genealogical societies, and probably a small > number of individuals. I doubt if any of the publishers made any > significant money, rather, I suspect most ventures lost money or > broke even. We're not talking blockbuster novels on the NY Times Best > Seller list ("Cold Mountain"), we're talking about cemetery lists! > > As for the people who actually did the cemetery surveys, I suspect > they did it simply because they wanted the information to be available > to more than the few people close enough to go to the cemeteries themselves. > > In other words, they did it for the purpose of sharing the information with > as many people as possible. That has been my experience with the people > where I live who have done surveys, including myself. Labor of love, so > they say. > > A professional genealogist or business certainly > has the right to go do survey(s), compile them, hoard them, and/or sell > them. (Ever think about who holds the copyright on a tombstone > inscription?) > Family tree maker even gets people to give information to them so > they can sell it to others. The donors do it to disseminate the data and > find others with similar interests. > But should a local non-profit genealogical society be hoarding and selling? > > Isn't part of its charter to make the information available. > > As I said before, welcome to the new millennium. The internet is the best > place in the world to share and disseminate information. > Bad for hoarders and profiteers. > > And who knows when, if ever, the genealogical society will publish their > book. > > If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them > to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and > see about getting them published on the internet. please, no copyrighted > material unless you can send permission from the copyright holder. > > I was shocked to be told that the local genealogical society is in > opposition to on-line publishing and the people maintaining the local > web site are on the side of keeping the information unavailable. > > You are probably getting this e-mail via a listserve sponsored by > RootsWeb. Think about International Ships Transcribers Guild, > on-line census pages and transcriptions, people who publish their > family trees for the world to see, etc. Think about it! > > Best regards, > > John Sullivan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Hurd [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCCOLLET] From List Manager: about St. Bart. Genealogy Society > > OK folks, > > I understand their position. They are a non-profit organization. If they > have local projects that want to complete, they must generate revenue from > membership dues, publishing books, etc. > > If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't give permssion to > somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without > permission, it's called copyright violation. > > I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries online as long as > I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good business sense. > > The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the generosity > > of the surviving authors. The books were published in 1978, 1979 and are > OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of libraries and most > libraries who have them, don't allow them released on interlibrary loan. > > I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's permission. > I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do lookups without their > group's permission. > I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I don't have fast > access to the cemeteries. > > Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the group (several of > them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the local records? > > The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter > 104 Wade Hampton Ave. > Walterboro, SC 29488 > > Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of each month, except > July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. > > If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina > Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are > > individual $12.00 > family $18.00 > associate $8.00 > > NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of another chapter > of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues were paid by the > > first chapter you had joined. > > I do know the frustration of not having access to the records that pertain > to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through South Carolina and > > burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. > > Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it from their point of > view. Can someone post the status of the book? > > Jane Hurd > [email protected] > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > > > >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > > > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. > >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, > >and have been told there is opposition to making them > >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society > >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > > > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", > >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > > > >Anyone out there have the information available and > >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > > > >Thank you, > > > >John Sullivan > >Austin, Texas > > > > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > > > >============================== > >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > Rootsweb has started a new discussion list for both Colleton and Dorchester > Cos. > To subscribe: [email protected] or > [email protected] > with subscribe as the subject > > To post, use this shorter address: [email protected] > [email protected] > Jane Hurd > [email protected] > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > Colleton Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > > Darlington County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5641/ > > Darlington Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_darlington.html > > Dorchester County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/1956/dorchester.html > > Union Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_union.html > > Williamsburg Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_williamsburg.html > > Jane's Space on the Web > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/jane-web.html > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

Thank you, Jane. I think the discussion of the last few days has been good in that it helps researchers to know just what the constraints, rules, restrictions, possibilities are on a certain web site. In fact, I think it would be a good idea for each county site to have a statement (maybe a mission statement type of thing) on their site stating the types of materials they are trying to provide, the types of materials they will accept and encourage, and especially the particular status of genealogy materials, genealogy organizations and information in their county. I have seen a few that do this and it is very helpful. It is a lot of hard work to maintain a site and those of us doing research really appreciate all the effort of people who have volunteered to maintain a county site. Sarah Edmondson

First, let me thank Jane for her response regarding the above chapter. My name is Margo Everett and I am the current president of the above chapter. Note, we are the genealogical chapter, not historical society. We are two different organizations. We are recording cemeteries for the lower part of Colleton county and have been for several years. We are preparing to speak with several publishers to get the book complete. What Jane didn't know is that we no longer are able to meet at the library annex due to construction on the library. We are looking for a permanent place. I, for one, would be pleased to do a lookup for someone. The name of the cemetery, person's name, and (approx.) time of death are all I need. I do ask that I be contacted directly. I do not have a copy of the book for the cemeteries of Upper Colleton Co., so please make sure the cemetery is located in the lower part. I will do my best to help. Thank you Margo Everett [email protected]

[email protected] said >If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them >to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and >see about getting them published on the internet. please, no >copyrighted >material unless you can send permission from the >copyright holder. Yes, John can start a cemetery page but I never said I wouldn't post a list somebody had personally recorded. I said I would not post copyrighted material without the holder's permission. Rootsweb sponsors two cemetery transcription pages that are associated with the USGenWeb. Trouble is nobody has contributed any for most South Carolina counties. So if you have a transcription, please send it to John [email protected] , Colleton SCGenWeb (me) [email protected] , OR one of the two cemetery projects on Rootsweb. I wrote Evelyn Bryan (in 1997) about putting the old cemetery book online, but she declined because she still had copies to sell. However, someone emailed me (fall? 1999) saying that the address she had given me is no longer valid. John, if you get any submissions, I hope you will post the URL to the list. Jane >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCCOLLET] On-line Cemeteries - another perspective! >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:28:27 -0600 > >Dear SC list, >Welcome to the new millennium (some may say a year early). >I was perfectly aware of why the Cemetery Listings were not >on-line and I completely disagree with the reasoning. > >In my humble opinion: >A few years ago, books were almost the only way to disseminate information. > >The genealogical societies put out various books in order to >share the information. Their clients were libraries, professional >genealogists, and other genealogical societies, and probably a small >number of individuals. I doubt if any of the publishers made any >significant money, rather, I suspect most ventures lost money or >broke even. We're not talking blockbuster novels on the NY Times Best >Seller list ("Cold Mountain"), we're talking about cemetery lists! > >As for the people who actually did the cemetery surveys, I suspect >they did it simply because they wanted the information to be available >to more than the few people close enough to go to the cemeteries >themselves. > >In other words, they did it for the purpose of sharing the information with >as many people as possible. That has been my experience with the people >where I live who have done surveys, including myself. Labor of love, so >they say. > >A professional genealogist or business certainly >has the right to go do survey(s), compile them, hoard them, and/or sell >them. (Ever think about who holds the copyright on a tombstone >inscription?) >Family tree maker even gets people to give information to them so >they can sell it to others. The donors do it to disseminate the data and >find others with similar interests. >But should a local non-profit genealogical society be hoarding and selling? > >Isn't part of its charter to make the information available. > >As I said before, welcome to the new millennium. The internet is the best >place in the world to share and disseminate information. >Bad for hoarders and profiteers. > >And who knows when, if ever, the genealogical society will publish their >book. > >If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them >to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and >see about getting them published on the internet. please, no copyrighted >material unless you can send permission from the copyright holder. > >I was shocked to be told that the local genealogical society is in >opposition to on-line publishing and the people maintaining the local >web site are on the side of keeping the information unavailable. > >You are probably getting this e-mail via a listserve sponsored by >RootsWeb. Think about International Ships Transcribers Guild, >on-line census pages and transcriptions, people who publish their >family trees for the world to see, etc. Think about it! > >Best regards, > >John Sullivan > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jane Hurd [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:26 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCCOLLET] From List Manager: about St. Bart. Genealogy Society > >OK folks, > >I understand their position. They are a non-profit organization. If they >have local projects that want to complete, they must generate revenue from >membership dues, publishing books, etc. > >If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't give permssion to >somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without >permission, it's called copyright violation. > >I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries online as long as >I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good business sense. > >The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the >generosity > >of the surviving authors. The books were published in 1978, 1979 and are >OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of libraries and most >libraries who have them, don't allow them released on interlibrary loan. > >I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's permission. >I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do lookups without their >group's permission. >I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I don't have fast >access to the cemeteries. > >Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the group (several of >them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the local records? > >The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter >104 Wade Hampton Ave. >Walterboro, SC 29488 > >Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of each month, except >July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. > >If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina >Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are > >individual $12.00 >family $18.00 >associate $8.00 > >NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of another chapter >of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues were paid by >the > >first chapter you had joined. > >I do know the frustration of not having access to the records that pertain >to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through South Carolina >and > >burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. > >Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it from their point of >view. Can someone post the status of the book? > >Jane Hurd >[email protected] > >Colleton County SCGenWeb >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > > > > >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > > > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. > >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, > >and have been told there is opposition to making them > >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society > >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > > > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", > >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > > > >Anyone out there have the information available and > >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > > > >Thank you, > > > >John Sullivan > >Austin, Texas > > > > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > > > >============================== > >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > >Rootsweb has started a new discussion list for both Colleton and Dorchester >Cos. >To subscribe: [email protected] or >[email protected] >with subscribe as the subject > >To post, use this shorter address: [email protected] > [email protected] >Jane Hurd >[email protected] > >Colleton County SCGenWeb >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > >Colleton Co SC - American Local History Network >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > >Darlington County SCGenWeb >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5641/ > >Darlington Co SC - American Local History Network >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_darlington.html > >Dorchester County SCGenWeb >http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/1956/dorchester.html > >Union Co SC - American Local History Network >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_union.html > >Williamsburg Co SC - American Local History Network >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_williamsburg.html > >Jane's Space on the Web >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/jane-web.html > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >Colleton Co SCGenWeb > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >Colleton Co SCGenWeb > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >12.8 million individuals and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>I was not aware that any Rootsweb site was under obligation to the >Genealogy Society any where. I don't think it's obligation. To me, it's respect. The mailing list is sponsored by Rootsweb, but the web site is on geocities and is a SCGenWeb site. Although many people think Rootsweb and the USGenWeb Project are the same, they are not. Rootsweb and the USGenWeb Project/SCGenWeb both have policies about violation of copyright laws. In fact, their regulations say I have to have a permission slip signed for anything published after 1927. >You do not have enough general information on your site. The census >is >public information and certainly should be made available to same. I work full-time and go to college part-time. I volunteered to take the Colleton web page in 1997 because no one else had volunteered to create one. Jane >From: "Greg & Winn" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Free Genealogy >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:04:28 -0500 > >Hello List, > >I personally think all information regarding a family search should be free >of charge. I do look ups and have registered cemeteries for my local >Rootsweb Site. I am glad to do this in hopes some one in Colleton County >or elsewhere will do the same for me. > >I feel so much anger because I can not go over there and research. You do >not have enough general information on your site. The census is public >information and certainly should be made available to same. > >I was not aware that any Rootsweb site was under obligation to the >Genealogy Society any where. If you are, I would like to know why. I am >not being smart, I just was not aware of any connection other than to share >info. > >It is so frustrating when you start with a name and date of birth. Some >one looks it up over there. It takes about two weeks. Then if you are >lucky enough to get a little info, it is to ask for another look up. If >the census were on line and the cemeteries that is 75 percent of the info. >If all the time spent doing look ups was totalled up you could do a census >in no time flat. > >I have decided I will never know any more about my Jackson line. I do not >have a maiden name for my great grandmother nor place of birth for her or >my great grandfather. > >Next week I am driving over to a cemetery in another county to get dates >for one of my lines. While I am there I will take a survey and submit it >to that County website. That is how simple it is. > >It will take about 2 hours with my husband and myself. How little to give >for so many. Our local city owned cemetery is no problem. You phone City >Hall and give them names, they check records and verify. If the person you >are doing a look up for is coming to town, the City will put a big orange >marker beside the graves so there is no problem finding them. > >Brotherly love and decency seams to be running amuck in our world today. > >Windy > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >Colleton Co SCGenWeb > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >12.8 million individuals and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, Anyone who goes to a cemetery and personally records the information from the tombstones can post the information on their website or can contribute it to a genealogy web page to be posted. In fact, one of the Old St. Bartholomew members sent me the listing of a Dorchester Co cemetery that a hunter found while hunting. The complete listing copied from a copyrighted book is a violation of copyright law. Jane >From: Margaret B Miller <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Cemetery books >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:30:26 -0600 > >A book for cemeteries for my native county, NOTT in SC, has been >published and is copyrighted. But tell me, IF I go to the same cemetery, >extract the identical information, plus that for those who have been >buried there since the publication of the book, have I violated a >copyright??????? I thought this was public information. At least it's >available to anyone who wishes to drive down the country road to check it >out for themselves. Just my personal opinion. MM > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >Colleton Co SCGenWeb > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

A book for cemeteries for my native county, NOTT in SC, has been published and is copyrighted. But tell me, IF I go to the same cemetery, extract the identical information, plus that for those who have been buried there since the publication of the book, have I violated a copyright??????? I thought this was public information. At least it's available to anyone who wishes to drive down the country road to check it out for themselves. Just my personal opinion. MM ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

My Maxwells lived in an area which was in Barnwell Co. in 1815 but now is in Bamberg Co. The area where my Maxwells lived is today just south of town of Bamberg on Lemon Creek off of the Little Saltchatcher River. Was this area in Colleton at one time? Thanks. Lyndall

I don't think it's as simple as hoarding data for future publication (although that's part of it). I think most genealogical and historical societies are very closed groups and are there to preserve materials for *their* descendants - not to share it with the general public (the riffraff). I'm a member of several genealogical societies, but I call myself a sub-member. That means I pay my dues and am on the mailing list, but I'm not in the "inner circle." Recently I adopted a history website for my home county of Gwinnett, GA. I have no roots in Gwinnett, but I've lived here for 14 years and am a member of the historical society. I got just about everything available at the public library (which was very little). Then I went to the historical society library to poke around for non-copyrighted materials. The volunteer working that day happened to be the past president. She gave me a 45 minute lecture about working on an outside project when the society had ongoing projects. I tried to explain that, although the society is doing a lot of good work, it is not putting any information online, and that's what I do best. I asked her when her ancestors first came to Gwinnett County. She said, very proudly, "They were here before 1826." I said, "You are very fortunate, because many people aren't able to come to Georgia, and they would love to see the place of their ancestral home." I finally gave up and left the library. I'll have to go back another day when she's not there and exercise my rights as a member! Pat Sabin Hi, Jane! Sullivan, John wrote: > > Dear SC list, > Welcome to the new millennium (some may say a year early). > I was perfectly aware of why the Cemetery Listings were not > on-line and I completely disagree with the reasoning. > > In my humble opinion: > A few years ago, books were almost the only way to disseminate information. > > The genealogical societies put out various books in order to > share the information. Their clients were libraries, professional > genealogists, and other genealogical societies, and probably a small > number of individuals. I doubt if any of the publishers made any > significant money, rather, I suspect most ventures lost money or > broke even. We're not talking blockbuster novels on the NY Times Best > Seller list ("Cold Mountain"), we're talking about cemetery lists! > > As for the people who actually did the cemetery surveys, I suspect > they did it simply because they wanted the information to be available > to more than the few people close enough to go to the cemeteries themselves. > > In other words, they did it for the purpose of sharing the information with > as many people as possible. That has been my experience with the people > where I live who have done surveys, including myself. Labor of love, so > they say. > > A professional genealogist or business certainly > has the right to go do survey(s), compile them, hoard them, and/or sell > them. (Ever think about who holds the copyright on a tombstone > inscription?) > Family tree maker even gets people to give information to them so > they can sell it to others. The donors do it to disseminate the data and > find others with similar interests. > But should a local non-profit genealogical society be hoarding and selling? > > Isn't part of its charter to make the information available. > > As I said before, welcome to the new millennium. The internet is the best > place in the world to share and disseminate information. > Bad for hoarders and profiteers. > > And who knows when, if ever, the genealogical society will publish their > book. > > If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them > to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and > see about getting them published on the internet. please, no copyrighted > material unless you can send permission from the copyright holder. > > I was shocked to be told that the local genealogical society is in > opposition to on-line publishing and the people maintaining the local > web site are on the side of keeping the information unavailable. > > You are probably getting this e-mail via a listserve sponsored by > RootsWeb. Think about International Ships Transcribers Guild, > on-line census pages and transcriptions, people who publish their > family trees for the world to see, etc. Think about it! > > Best regards, > > John Sullivan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Hurd [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCCOLLET] From List Manager: about St. Bart. Genealogy Society > > OK folks, > > I understand their position. They are a non-profit organization. If they > have local projects that want to complete, they must generate revenue from > membership dues, publishing books, etc. > > If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't give permssion to > somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without > permission, it's called copyright violation. > > I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries online as long as > I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good business sense. > > The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the generosity > > of the surviving authors. The books were published in 1978, 1979 and are > OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of libraries and most > libraries who have them, don't allow them released on interlibrary loan. > > I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's permission. > I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do lookups without their > group's permission. > I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I don't have fast > access to the cemeteries. > > Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the group (several of > them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the local records? > > The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter > 104 Wade Hampton Ave. > Walterboro, SC 29488 > > Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of each month, except > July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. > > If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina > Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are > > individual $12.00 > family $18.00 > associate $8.00 > > NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of another chapter > of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues were paid by the > > first chapter you had joined. > > I do know the frustration of not having access to the records that pertain > to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through South Carolina and > > burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. > > Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it from their point of > view. Can someone post the status of the book? > > Jane Hurd > [email protected] > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > > > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. > >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, > >and have been told there is opposition to making them > >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society > >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > > > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", > >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > > > >Anyone out there have the information available and > >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > > > >Thank you, > > > >John Sullivan > >Austin, Texas > > > > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > > > >============================== > >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > Rootsweb has started a new discussion list for both Colleton and Dorchester > Cos. > To subscribe: [email protected] or > [email protected] > with subscribe as the subject > > To post, use this shorter address: [email protected] > [email protected] > Jane Hurd > [email protected] > > Colleton County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > > Colleton Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > > Darlington County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5641/ > > Darlington Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_darlington.html > > Dorchester County SCGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/1956/dorchester.html > > Union Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_union.html > > Williamsburg Co SC - American Local History Network > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_williamsburg.html > > Jane's Space on the Web > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/jane-web.html > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html > Colleton Co SCGenWeb > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hello List, I personally think all information regarding a family search should be free of charge. I do look ups and have registered cemeteries for my local Rootsweb Site. I am glad to do this in hopes some one in Colleton County or elsewhere will do the same for me. I feel so much anger because I can not go over there and research. You do not have enough general information on your site. The census is public information and certainly should be made available to same. I was not aware that any Rootsweb site was under obligation to the Genealogy Society any where. If you are, I would like to know why. I am not being smart, I just was not aware of any connection other than to share info. It is so frustrating when you start with a name and date of birth. Some one looks it up over there. It takes about two weeks. Then if you are lucky enough to get a little info, it is to ask for another look up. If the census were on line and the cemeteries that is 75 percent of the info. If all the time spent doing look ups was totalled up you could do a census in no time flat. I have decided I will never know any more about my Jackson line. I do not have a maiden name for my great grandmother nor place of birth for her or my great grandfather. Next week I am driving over to a cemetery in another county to get dates for one of my lines. While I am there I will take a survey and submit it to that County website. That is how simple it is. It will take about 2 hours with my husband and myself. How little to give for so many. Our local city owned cemetery is no problem. You phone City Hall and give them names, they check records and verify. If the person you are doing a look up for is coming to town, the City will put a big orange marker beside the graves so there is no problem finding them. Brotherly love and decency seams to be running amuck in our world today. Windy

Dear SC list, Welcome to the new millennium (some may say a year early). I was perfectly aware of why the Cemetery Listings were not on-line and I completely disagree with the reasoning. In my humble opinion: A few years ago, books were almost the only way to disseminate information. The genealogical societies put out various books in order to share the information. Their clients were libraries, professional genealogists, and other genealogical societies, and probably a small number of individuals. I doubt if any of the publishers made any significant money, rather, I suspect most ventures lost money or broke even. We're not talking blockbuster novels on the NY Times Best Seller list ("Cold Mountain"), we're talking about cemetery lists! As for the people who actually did the cemetery surveys, I suspect they did it simply because they wanted the information to be available to more than the few people close enough to go to the cemeteries themselves. In other words, they did it for the purpose of sharing the information with as many people as possible. That has been my experience with the people where I live who have done surveys, including myself. Labor of love, so they say. A professional genealogist or business certainly has the right to go do survey(s), compile them, hoard them, and/or sell them. (Ever think about who holds the copyright on a tombstone inscription?) Family tree maker even gets people to give information to them so they can sell it to others. The donors do it to disseminate the data and find others with similar interests. But should a local non-profit genealogical society be hoarding and selling? Isn't part of its charter to make the information available. As I said before, welcome to the new millennium. The internet is the best place in the world to share and disseminate information. Bad for hoarders and profiteers. And who knows when, if ever, the genealogical society will publish their book. If people have done surveys in Colleton County and wish for them to be on-line, I would graciously accept them via e-mail and see about getting them published on the internet. please, no copyrighted material unless you can send permission from the copyright holder. I was shocked to be told that the local genealogical society is in opposition to on-line publishing and the people maintaining the local web site are on the side of keeping the information unavailable. You are probably getting this e-mail via a listserve sponsored by RootsWeb. Think about International Ships Transcribers Guild, on-line census pages and transcriptions, people who publish their family trees for the world to see, etc. Think about it! Best regards, John Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: Jane Hurd [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCCOLLET] From List Manager: about St. Bart. Genealogy Society OK folks, I understand their position. They are a non-profit organization. If they have local projects that want to complete, they must generate revenue from membership dues, publishing books, etc. If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't give permssion to somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without permission, it's called copyright violation. I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries online as long as I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good business sense. The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the generosity of the surviving authors. The books were published in 1978, 1979 and are OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of libraries and most libraries who have them, don't allow them released on interlibrary loan. I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's permission. I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do lookups without their group's permission. I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I don't have fast access to the cemeteries. Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the group (several of them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the local records? The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter 104 Wade Hampton Ave. Walterboro, SC 29488 Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of each month, except July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are individual $12.00 family $18.00 associate $8.00 NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of another chapter of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues were paid by the first chapter you had joined. I do know the frustration of not having access to the records that pertain to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through South Carolina and burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it from their point of view. Can someone post the status of the book? Jane Hurd [email protected] Colleton County SCGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, >and have been told there is opposition to making them >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > >Anyone out there have the information available and >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > >Thank you, > >John Sullivan >Austin, Texas > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > Rootsweb has started a new discussion list for both Colleton and Dorchester Cos. 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OK folks, I understand their position. They are a non-profit organization. If they have local projects that want to complete, they must generate revenue from membership dues, publishing books, etc. If I did research for a book or wrote a novel, I wouldn't give permssion to somebody else to post it on their web page. If I posted it without permission, it's called copyright violation. I wouldn't give someone permission to post the cemeteries online as long as I was trying to sell the book. That's not using good business sense. The fact that the Dorchester cemeteries are online is through the generosity of the surviving authors. The books were published in 1978, 1979 and are OUT OF PRINT. Very few copies are in the hands of libraries and most libraries who have them, don't allow them released on interlibrary loan. I can not post the cemeteries online without their group's permission. I can not volunteer (or have anyone else do it) to do lookups without their group's permission. I, like most of you do not live in South Carolina, so I don't have fast access to the cemeteries. Why not try joining the group, making some friends in the group (several of them live in Colleton County) and asking them to check the local records? The Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter 104 Wade Hampton Ave. Walterboro, SC 29488 Their monthly meetings are held on the second Sunday of each month, except July and Aug. at the Library Annex, 615 Hampton St.,at 3:00 PM. If you are interested in joining this chapter of The South Carolina Genealogical Society, their yearly dues are individual $12.00 family $18.00 associate $8.00 NOTE - Associate dues apply if you are already a member of another chapter of The South Carolina Genealogical Society; your state dues were paid by the first chapter you had joined. I do know the frustration of not having access to the records that pertain to your ancestors. The fact that Sherman marched through South Carolina and burned courthouses makes all of our research frustrating. Thanks for reading this. I'm sorry if you can't see it from their point of view. Can someone post the status of the book? Jane Hurd [email protected] Colleton County SCGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >From: "Sullivan, John" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:51:19 -0600 > >I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. >There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, >and have been told there is opposition to making them >available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society >can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > >I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", >but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > >Anyone out there have the information available and >are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > >Thank you, > >John Sullivan >Austin, Texas > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html >Colleton Co - American Local History Network > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > Rootsweb has started a new discussion list for both Colleton and Dorchester Cos. To subscribe: [email protected] or [email protected] with subscribe as the subject To post, use this shorter address: [email protected] [email protected] Jane Hurd [email protected] Colleton County SCGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html Colleton Co SC - American Local History Network http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html Darlington County SCGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5641/ Darlington Co SC - American Local History Network http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_darlington.html Dorchester County SCGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/1956/dorchester.html Union Co SC - American Local History Network http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_union.html Williamsburg Co SC - American Local History Network http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_williamsburg.html Jane's Space on the Web http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/jane-web.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I agree entirely with you, John. If the Historical Society does not want to make these records available on-line, there needs to be a way in which those of us not in SC can get some assistance in a lookup. Sarah Edmondson GA ----- Original Message ----- From: Sullivan, John <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 2:51 PM Subject: [SCCOLLET] Need Help Colleton County Cemeteries > I need help finding a few ancestors in Colleton. > There seem to be almost no Colleton Cemeteries on-line, > and have been told there is opposition to making them > available on-line so that Colleton Historical Society > can (someday?) make a book with them and sell them. > > I have looked in "Cemeteries of Upper Colleton County", > but Walterboro/mid/lower Colleton County are a problem. > > Anyone out there have the information available and > are willing to do a few look-ups for me? > > Thank you, > > John Sullivan > Austin, Texas > > > ==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/1968/sc_colleton.html > Colleton Co - American Local History Network > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

I am looking for the parents of Catherine "Kitsey " Henson\Hinson, born 10-15-1786 who married Robert Ramsey 9-3-1799 in Colleton Co. SC or any other Hensons who may have been in Colleton Co. SC in the mid to late 1700s. I am also looking for the parents of Margaret "Patsy" O'Quinn who married John"Jack"Carter, born c1770 in Colleton Co. SC or any other O'Quinns who may have been in Colleton Co. SC in the late 1700s. Jack Carter is a grandson of Jacob Carter from NC and the O'Quinns were also in NC in the early 1700s. The Ramseys and Hensons probably came from NC also. Any help would truly be appreciated. Susan -- Susan C. Johanson Springfield, VA [email protected] Rootsweb sponsor-NEHGS member http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Susan-C-Johanson/ ....I prefer digging in the past to digging in the yard....