There is no Laura Craven enumerated in the 1850 census of Colleton County.

Forwarded on behalf of [email protected] - Tina. >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: {not a subscriber} 'LAURA CRAVEN" >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:45:45 -0800 > >Can anyone help with a Laura Craven from Colleton born around 1840? > >Parents? >Birth? >Marriages? > >Thanks Tina > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Surprised to see your name as I had a cousin way, way back named Maria Phenix. She was a sister of my third great grandmother they lived in Edgefield Co SC. Just a coincidence. I do have the Middleteon family in Colleton Co SC. Best luck, Luanne Spence Taylor

I am trying to determine who Sarah Brothers, who shows up on the 1850 & 1860 census was the wife of as well as names of her children. One of the children, a daughter, Martha E. Brothers, married William Henry Purse & had two daughters, Christina & Martha E., these girls are living with their grandmother Sarah Brothers in 1860 but by 1866 Sarah was deceased & the girls went to Charleston to live. Any help with this family will be greatly appreciated. My husband is very anxious to find his grandmother's line (See if you wait long enough they get interested!) Charlotte R. Carrere

I have been lent a copy of "Family Sketches" by James Reddick, Fairfax, SC, published March, 1978. I will have it probably until Feb. 29, or until I get what I want transcribed. If anyone knows James Reddick, or his family, I would like to contact him to buy my own copy of the book, and to thank him for the marvelous work he did. The book has little in the way of Family Tree type listings, but it has letters, biographies, eulogies, obituaries, and oral traditions (during the Revolution my gggrandfather hid in a log to hide from the British, overheard their plans, and was able to alert the Americans). If anyone is interested in the material, I am willing to transcribe this information. The book is not copyrighted. The families in the book are: Addison (SC, Alabama, TX), Boineau (SC), Cornell (NY), DePass (SC), Green(SC), Hains (SC), Jaycox(NY), Jones(SC), Larisey(SC), Lemacks(SC), McQueen(SC, Alabama, TX), Moore(SC), Pamor(SC), Palmer (SC), Perriman (SC), Schenck (Germany>Holland>NY), Strycker (NY), van Wesel (Holland) ===== Barbara Greene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Hi, I am searching for information on early FICKLINGs in Colleton County, particularly Jeremiah FICKLING and his family and particularly during the time period 1720-1750. Jeremiah married Mary ALLEN about 1730 in Colleton County. Jeremiah's family came from Norfolk, England, initially to Bermuda, then to Charleston, and then Edisto Island. The family spread from Edisto to the surrounding area. The information that we already have is posted at http://www.ficklin-fickling.org under "Descendants of George FICKLING". Thanks, Bill Fickling Macon, Georgia [email protected] http://wfickling.home.mindspring.com

List subscribers, Here's an altered list per suggestions. I'm still open to refinements. Of course, they are subject to revision as situations come up. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/co-guidelines.html Jane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

List Members: I have read the statements regarding Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter's position on recording the cemeteries in lower Colleton County in a book and not on line. Our chapter's purpose is to preserve records and assist other researchers. We decided to do the cemeteries of lower Colleton County as a project to gain revenue, so that we can continue to preserve and help. Being a non-profit organization, this is our way to benefit, not only our members, but other researchers. I understand your wanting to be able to access the information on the internet, there are areas of my research I wish were on line also, but you can request help from the chapter. The address is on the Colleton Co. web page. When the book is completed, we will send Jane a notice for the Colleton Co. web page, along with a description of the contents. I sent an earlier message that I would do look ups for those who need help, but they need to supply me with name, date, and cemetery (the date not mandatory, but helps if you have it). The reason for the name of the cemetery is that I only have the raw data of our research at my home. I do not have the computer printout that has an index. That is with the cemetery committee. If the name of the cemetery is not known, a close approximate location of where the family resided would help. I ask that those requests be sent to me privately. Thank you. Margo Everett President Old St. Bartholomew Genealogical Chapter [email protected]

Am seeking information on Elizabeth Bailey Seabrook Edings Lightbourn, daughter of John Seabrook and Ann Smelie of Wadmalaw Is., Colleton Co., SC. First married an Edings around 1799 to 1802. Seeking name of first husband. Second married on January 12-14, 1803, Captain Francis Stiles Lightbourn. In 1805. Francis and John Seabrook, father of Eliza B., purchased approx. six hundred acres on Bohiket Creek on Wadmalaw Island and later divided it equally into two holdings . Before his marriage to Eliza B., Francis is listed as a sea captain living in Charleston. After marriage, he is listed as planter on Wadmalaw. Francis died in 1826 and is buried at St. John's Episcopal Church on John's Island. Elizabeth is listed in Charleston census and Charleston city directory for next thirty years. Last address listed was 13 Pinckney St., Charleston, in 1855. She lived there for approx. 20 years. Would appreciate any information on fate of Elizabeth, date of death, burial site, etc., and any information regarding children of Francis and Elizabeth, if any. Thanks much. Larry Hall

Everyone, Due to some recent turmoil on one of my lists, it has become necessary to implement some guidelines for behavior on our mailing list. I would like your input. Are there any logical rules that I left out? Do you have any suggestions for improving the listing? It will be altered as situations arrive but I hope this was the first and last incident. Please email me [email protected] privately if any of these issues are unreasonable to you. I don't think everyone wants to discuss this on the list. Use common sense about dealing with other researchers. You can't badger someone into giving you information. Why alienate someone who has infomation you need and may be willing to help you later? Although #6 b is last on my list, it may be the smartest way for you to handle things yourself before you get a first warning. Jane Guidelines for Mailing Lists (or How To Be Nice) 1. Do not flame other researchers on the list. If you must let someone know that you disagree, do so privately. Flaming on the list will be adequate reason for removal from the list. 2. Do not forward a personal email to the list. If you must let someone know that you disagree, do so privately. Forwarding a personal email will be adequate reason for removal from the list. 3. Post a meaningful subject line. List the specific surname(s) not "genealogy search" or "need help". We have a few researchers that are familar with a variety of names in the county, but most researchers have limited interest in the county. 4. Think about the usefulness of the information you want to send. If it is something that may benefit the entire group, use the REPLY ALL key which will send the message to the group. Otherwise, please reply only to the sender. 5. Avoid sending posts over 20K. a) If you are responding to a previous email, please only quote the portion to which you are responding in order to maintain continuity. b) If you are forwarding several generations of descendents, please split them into smaller groups. Depending on the scope of your information, I think 3 or 4 generations will be about 20 K. 6. The list manager will issue one warning before bumping anyone from the list. a) If you feel you need to argue about being warned, send it to [email protected] privately. Do not post it to the list. I will consider this the second time you have violated these rules and you will be bumped. b) If you are angry, do yourself a favor and unsubscribe yourself, then you have an option to return later when your temper is in control. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

--part1_49.13abbd1.25df89d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_49.13abbd1.25df89d2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: [email protected] From: [email protected] Full-name: HAPPYHAIRY Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:47:45 EST Subject: DURR surname To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I need to make a documentation that Peter and Elizabeth DURR are the parents of Abraham born 1809, Susannah born 1814, Michael born 1816, David born 1820 and Peter jr born 1823. They were all born in Colleton County. This is all pieces of a puzzle put together so I need documentation. Stacey SE Texas --part1_49.13abbd1.25df89d2_boundary--

Hello listers, I am looking for my 2nd Greatgrandfather, Caesar Duncan Lowndes, in Colleton. He married Elizabeth BROWNFIELD, and they had several children, including Grace Starling and Daisy Starling Lowndes, and a son, Caesar, Jr. Grace was born in 1875 (died February 1956, in Pittsburgh, PA). Daisy Starling Lowndes married Reverend George Richard BRABHAM, from the Bamberg area. My ancestors were African American Lowndes and Brabhams. The Lowndes spoke Gullah or Guichee, as well as standard English. At some time, the family lived in Columbia, SC, where Caesar Lowndes worked as doorkeeper in the SC state legislature. Might it be possible to find a record of that? Where should I write, ask, or look? I am writing from Europe, near Kosovo, and have no print research resources over here, nor libraries, etc. I've seen some info here and there online, about lots of Lowndes in Colleton District and Colleton County. I understand Colleton was created from part of Charleston. There's a CAESAR and a LINDA LOWNDES listed in the 1870 SC census, as follows. Thanks to anyone on the list who might have clues and/or suggestions. Marian Douglas, Skopje, Macedonia [email protected] ; sometimes at [email protected] 1870 SC census LOWNDES, CAESAR Age: 28 Gender: Male Race: Black Born: SC County: COLLETON Locality: VERDIER TWP LOWNDES, LINDA Age: 16 Gender: Female Race: Mulatto Born: SC County: COLLETON Locality: VERDIER TWP

While personally hoping that John Sullivan will be invited back on the list (but would he want to come?) it seems prudent to move on from here in a constructive manner. As one who also has spent unimaginable numbers of hours and enough money to literally threaten my mortgage payments in pursuing research, I know the temptation to recoup some of the money and effort spent. In such an effort, I have realized over the last year and a half of publishing and marketing some books that you get more publicity (and thus more sales) by posting plenty of free excerpts on the net. And I would bet that you could publish the entire cemetery book online and still get buyers of the book simply because many prefer a book. To say nothing of the word of mouth generated by people happy with the info gotten on line. A good example of this is J. Russell Cross' book, "Historic Ramblin's Through Berkeley". This book is sold by the Berkeley county Historic Society. Mr. Cross generously and the Society (and as it turns out, wisely) made large portions of this book available on web sites. Through these excerpts many people such as myself--who never would have seen the book or have known it even existed--have purchased the book and encouraged others to do so. (Proceeds go to the Historic Society and not Mr. Cross, by the way, and I have no connection with either although I do hope to join the society soon thanks in no small part to the pleasure this book has given me.) So, I would strongly urge any nonprofit organization or private individual on a budget to get smart about marketing--it only HELPS, not hurts you to freely post info to the Net. And it HURTS, not helps, your organization's efforts any time you resort to name-calling. I think these are all points that Mr. Sullivan was trying to make. I do not know what discussions took place off-list, but I think we can all make positive contributions from here on out, and I hope all parties can call this a learning process, not repeat their mistakes, and move on. Elizabeth DUBois Russo

I agree that it was unfair to drop John Sullivan from the list. He expresses a valid viewpoint that many of us have. Will you ban us all and keep the list homogenically clean of those with differing opinions? How boring it will be. -Bev Alstrom Colleton County Research Lines: RISHER RAYSOR STOKES WILLIAMS HAMILTON RUMPH

It seems unfair to drop John Sullivan from the list. You could have decided not to post his communiques if they were not to your liking. We are trying to do ancestral research. I for one have just found several of my ancestors are buried in lower Colleton County. I was disappointed not to find cemetery information at the Colleton County site, because in all other areas, I have found more information there than at any site I have been. I was more disappointed to learn I will have to pay for that information, because I cannot easily get from Virginia to South Carolina. I am doing transcription of cemeteries in my area, so others can find information on their loved ones without great expense, I was hoping someone would give me the same consideration. I do understand you have gone to great effort to get a book together (I do that kind of work for a living), but I could not buy a book until I had seen it and knew it was useful to me, so I, for one, would not buy your book. I also have a hard time with Judy's attitude toward John, and certainly couldn't do anything that could support that attitude. On another note, my ancestors are buried in Jonesville cemetery, and White House Cemetery, according to the records I have. Do they still exist? Where are they? ===== Barbara Greene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Hi, >While personally hoping that John Sullivan will be invited back on the >list (but would he want to come?) He needs someone to do his research in South Carolina, so I'm sure he'll come back eventually. >I would bet that you could publish the entire cemetery book online >and >still get buyers of the book simply because many prefer a book. >To say >nothing of the word of mouth generated by people happy with >the info >gotten on line. Personally, even if the entire book is not online, I think that "lookups" generate sales. Some, NOT all, book authors allow LIMITED lookups in their books - such as, 5 names per person. It gives researchers an idea of how much assistance the book will be to them. There are also some lookups that will only indicate that the name is in the index. Different authors chose to promote their information in different ways. But first, there has to be a book with an index. And without an index, a lookup would be a real pain unless you know the cemetery. Jane >From: Elizabeth Russo <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [SCCOLLET] Cemeteries in Colleton County >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:02:14 -0500 > >While personally hoping that John Sullivan will be invited back on the >list (but would he want to come?) it seems prudent to move on from here >in a constructive manner. > >As one who also has spent unimaginable numbers of hours and enough money >to literally threaten my mortgage payments in pursuing research, I know >the temptation to recoup some of the money and effort spent. > >In such an effort, I have realized over the last year and a half of >publishing and marketing some books that you get more publicity (and >thus more sales) by posting plenty of free excerpts on the net. And I >would bet that you could publish the entire cemetery book online and >still get buyers of the book simply because many prefer a book. To say >nothing of the word of mouth generated by people happy with the info >gotten on line. > >A good example of this is J. Russell Cross' book, "Historic Ramblin's >Through Berkeley". This book is sold by the Berkeley county Historic >Society. > >Mr. Cross generously and the Society (and as it turns out, wisely) made >large portions of this book available on web sites. Through these >excerpts many people such as myself--who never would have seen the book >or have known it even existed--have purchased the book and encouraged >others to do so. (Proceeds go to the Historic Society and not Mr. >Cross, by the way, and I have no connection with either although I do >hope to join the society soon thanks in no small part to the pleasure >this book has given me.) > >So, I would strongly urge any nonprofit organization or private >individual on a budget to get smart about marketing--it only HELPS, not >hurts you to freely post info to the Net. And it HURTS, not helps, your >organization's efforts any time you resort to name-calling. > >I think these are all points that Mr. Sullivan was trying to make. I do >not know what discussions took place off-list, but I think we can all >make positive contributions from here on out, and I hope all parties can >call this a learning process, not repeat their mistakes, and move on. > >Elizabeth DUBois Russo > > >==== SCCOLLET Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4197/colleton.html >Colleton Co SCGenWeb > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, I realize that, as researchers, you want more records online but Judy has contributed these files to the SCGenWeb page. Miscellaneous Marriages - Colleton Co, SC oldest marriage date 1896 #12 http://www.geocities.com/sc_gen_fan/co-records/co-misc-marr.html abstracted by Judy Ballard from the marriage book at the Colleton County Courthouse Judy has transcribed the Live Oak Cemetery Minutes http://www.geocities.com/sc_gen_fan/colleton/co-loak-min1.html and Lots Taken at the Cemetery http://www.geocities.com/sc_gen_fan/colleton/co-loak-plot.html Thank you Judy. Thank you Mr. Sweat for permission to use the Live Oak records. Jane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I am forwarding a message with permission that I received from Ancestry Daily News through the Horry County group. I thought would be of interest to all. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 11:13 AM Subject: [SCHORRY-L] NARA improvement > Please read the following article from Ancestry Daily News. If you think > that this is a good idea, you may tell your Senator and Representatives to > please support this plan by accessing the following Web sites. 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Hi folks, My first request is that you don't forward the same string of emails with a response. 40K of emails we've already seen a dozen times are unnecessary. Believe me, I can remember what they said! If there is a certain portion that applies to your response, copy and paste it. Secondly, I've gotten 3 emails saying I acted too hastily at removing John Sullivan from the list and one thanking me. Over the past few months, I have received several emails from him requesting the cemeteries be put online. In my opinion, my explanation was not good enough for him so he posted to the list in order to stir the pot. He's not on the list to defend himself, so I won't elaborate any further. Thirdly, (see below) from now on #1. There will be no more flaming on the list. If you disagree with someone, you'll have to email them privately. #2. Do not forward a private email to the list. Any suggestions for rules of conduct are welcome, but I can't guarantee they'll be added. Yes, my solution is to create a list of rules of conduct for the list and enforce them, but I assume since we are all ADULTS, we know what is proper for a list. It will be the weekend before I compile them and there probably be things I miss so they may be altered as time passes. I'll post any changes on the list and create a web page with the rules (in case anyone needs reminding). Someone suggested I should give a warning before I bump someone. I don't know that will stop anyone who determined to defend their point, but I'll try to do that from now on. I have always tried to allow my lists to be an open forum, allowing for slighly off topic discussions, but I guess now I have to establish some rules. When I finish, I will email them to the list and Mr. Sullivan and give him the choice of resubscribing. Then it will be up to me to be the EMAIL POST POLICE. Any opinions are welcome in response to this email. Thanks, Jane Hurd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Since this list has just gotten up and running again, I thought I'd throw in my surnames. My great-grandparents were William Moss Raysor and Anna Murray Gavin. Her father was Charles Gavin, b. 1815 in Colleton County, and her mother was Martha Tatum (whose mother was a Murray). W.M. Raysor's father was Rev. Dr. Thomas Raysor,a physician and Methodist minister who was born in Orangeburg County but traveled from church to church in SC. His mother was Hannah Stokes. The Charles Gavin family moved to Florida in the late 1850s, where his wife and infant daughter died and are buried. He returned Anna to South Carolina, but after the Civil War, Charles migrated alone to Brazil with the confederate colonists called the Confederados. Here's my plight: I cannot find where William Moss Raysor and Anna Murray Gavin Raysor are buried. I hear from a cousin that it's in a community called Boiling Springs, in what was a church cemetery (the church is no longer there). I have to assume this is the Boiling Springs in Barnwell County, and not the one near Spartenburg. I do know there are members of the Stokes family in the cemetery, also. I haven't found anything on this cemetery, and can't figure out why they would have been buried there, when most of the family lived in Branchville, St. George, Bamberg and Orangeburg. Does anyone know anything about this community? Is there anything there now? Thanks, Pat Sabin Low Country Families - http://patsabin.com/lowcountry/