Well, OK, it's not a ballad, more of a confused family tale, but it sounded so much more interesting this way... There are certainly lots of folks around Chesterfield with branches of the Griggs family on their trees, and a good number of them are descendants of John and Fannie Griggs of Anson/Chesterfield counties. Personally, I can count Clement in my direct line. In the scheme of things, this family is fairly well researched, and there's a pretty decent amount known. But a lot of what is 'known' may or may not be accurate, so how about a look at what we know, what we think we know, what we're only guessing at, and a hefty dose of my interpretation <G>.... He is supposed to be buried next to his wife, Fannie/Frances (Rushing?) Griggs. There is certainly a large headstone was placed in the family cemetery by Elisha Griggs in 1927 with the proceeds from the sale of the family property. According to some relatives, there is some question of whether or not Elisha had the right to sell it. The middle name "Wesley" may have just been fantasy on the part of Elisha, or of John's wife, Fannie. Fannie was a devout Methodist and passed that trait on to several generations of Griggs children. There is some information that exists to indicate that the "Wesley" on the tombstone may have just been the idea of Fannie after John died, in some misguided attempt to save his soul. It should be noted that none of the records found from that period ever show a middle name or initial for John. John and Fannie are thought to have been members of the Long Pine Methodist Church. Annie Bowman states there are no church records that go that far back. After the original church burned down, the new church was built further down the road so that the church grounds could accommodate a cemetery. The original site had been too close to the local well to allow a cemetery at that location. The original land deed for the church is in the Methodist Church Archives in Charlotte, NC. The land for the original church was donated by Thomas Tarleton. In the search for where John Griggs served his time in the American Revolutionary Army, at least four researchers have come up with at least three different armies and locations. None of these assorted John Griggs can be pinpointed as this John Griggs. What we know about John is this: John has a headstone that calls him John Wesley Griggs, on a spot where he supposedly lived. It is likely that most of the information on the tombstone is inaccurate. Elisha, John's grandson by John Wesley Griggs Jr., recalled in a letter how his grandmother told him that when John came home from the Revolutionary War, he rested for a bit. and then went over to a Rushing house nearby and shot the man for leaving the army in time of need. This is a good story, but on closer inspection, probably doesn't hold water. Even if our John Griggs served until the end of the war, he would have been home by about 1786, which is several years before the birth of his first recorded child, and so probably several years before his marriage to Fannie. If Fannie is a Rushing, as is believed, it seems unlikely that Fannie would have been allowed to marry John if he had a tendency to shoot her family members. John bought land in Anson County, NC in 1804. It was pointed out in the bill of sale John was a resident of Chesterfield County, SC. The land he bought was within a mile of the state line. At that time, the land was on what was called the North Fork of Thompson's Creek. Later it was called Dead Fall Creek. The name on the "Bill of Sale" was John Grigg. The 1800 US Census shows his name in Chesterfield County, SC as John Greggs. John had 6 sons and 4 daughters by Fannie. These are spelled out in his will in the Anson County Courthouse. They are listed as William, John, Lemuel, Samuel, Cleamand (Clement), Lewis, Ophur Tempy, Nancy, Alea, and Angeliley. According to the tombstone and family legend, John was born in 1757 in Ireland and died in 1820 in Anson County, NC. There's no reason to believe any of the information is accurate. His will was probated in 1811, and there seems to be no proof of any sort that this was done before his death. One Grigg researcher claims that when John had been away for a while, a son from a prior marriage came to Anson county and tried to have his father declared dead, and that the legal papers are supposedly to be found in either Anson County, NC or Chesterfield County, SC. There are several problems with this story. First, there is no reason to believe there was a prior marriage or other children. His will very specifically lists his family members. Second, there is no logic to the story. If John had a prior family that had been cut out of his will, there is no reason that those children would try to have him declared dead and his estate settled. There would be no benefit. Last, there is no indication in any of the probate records that the estate was settled because of a court order, which is what would be required to declare John dead if he was "missing." There's been no sign of the mysterious court papers from the phantom son, as well. There are also apparently family stories to the effect that John was still alive after 1820. I don't believe there is any validity to this story, either. I believe it is more likely that, with all the sons and grandsons named for him, that records mentioning these descendants have been confused with him. His land was divided on his death between his sons, who then sold it in 1830 to William Griggs, the eldest brother. I think it is likely that William, the oldest son, had probably been effectively the owner for the entire period since John's death in 1811. The younger boys, Samuel and Clement, would have been only a year or two old when John died. The sale in 1830 probably occurred after Samuel reached the age of majority and the land could actually be disposed of. The census records indicate that 3 of the sons remained in the area--William, John and Cleamand [Clement]. Lemuel, Lewis and Samuel left after the property sale for Alabama, Florida, and Mississippi. There are later censuses from 1850/1860 that mention people named Lemuel and Lewis, but these don't appear to be John's sons, and are possibly from another family altogether. There is no proof that this line is related; at least one researcher has traced them back to a Virginia Griggs, but I feel it is a possibility that should be considered. There is no proof that John Griggs was born in Ireland, other than stories told years later. It seems to be stretching coincidence that there could be a second Griggs line in the same general geographic area, also repeatedly using the names Clement, Lemuel, Lewis, etc, without there being some connection between the families. Doris Griggs Alexander recalls that when she first started genealogy on John, she saw a Naturalization Application in the Carolina Room of the Charlotte Public Library. According to the state archive, all naturalizations were done on a county level and the records were kept in the county. There was a gentleman some years back that made an attempt to inventory these scattered records and he did make an index of some but John Griggs is not among them. A check in Charlotte of the old court records in the Carolina Room proved worthless. The document is reported to have John's ancestory on it for at least a couple of generations. The only problem is that it would be unlikely to be a naturalization application for our John Griggs, unless many of the other family stories are totally off base. If John were in the Colonies early enough to have fought in the Revolution, he wouldn't have been naturalized. That process was only necessary for later immigrants. There are several stories concerning John's possible origins, as well as his purported Revolutionary War service. The first story stated John came from Ireland in the late 1700's and fought in the North Carolina Continental Line. No unit was named, and that story was based on an entry in the "Army Accounts of North Carolina". If you look up that record, all it says is "J. Greggs" and gives an amount. This story was told by a relative desiring admission to the NSDAR. At the time, this was accepted as proof for that particular organization (it would not be today), but there is no backing for the story that this is our John Griggs. The second story stated John Griggs served his military time in several different groups of the Virginia Branch of the Army. This was based on the fact that if you go to the National Archives and look in the Index for Revolutionary Soldiers, you will find a fair quantity of entries. Most of the John Griggs entries are for a man that live in Virginia and came from a branch of the Griggs Family that hails from England, either directly or by way of New England. That line is rather well documented. There is no known family tie to this man. This version was put forth by another relative. Again, there is certainly proof of a John Griggs that served extensively, but no way of connecting him to the John Griggs of Anson county. In the 1920's, a man named Walter Griggs wrote a book called "The Genealogy of the Griggs Family". He was from the Virginia Griggs line, which has its roots in at least three people coming direct from England and one coming from England via New England. He makes the statement that most, if not all, the Griggs Families found in the Southeast are decended from the Virginia Griggs Line. This includes all those in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Texas. This could well be true, but he provides no proof for his thesis. Despite the numerous family stories insisting that John was Irish, it is a connection that should not be overlooked. Our John Griggs apparently claimed that he was born in Ireland. His grandson Elisha wrote about this in 1927, having been told this by Fannie Rushing Griggs. While Fannie might have known, I'm not sure this story constitutes any sort of proof. Indeed, Fannie could only have known what John chose to tell her. A large number of the Griggs family in the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida certainly are descended from John Griggs. Family legend is that he had at least one brother, who also had many children, which would account for a good portion of the other Griggs descendants. (Of course, grandson Elisha stated that this brother settled in Texas when they emigrated to the U.S. Neat trick, since Texas didn't actually exist at the time.) But none of this would rule out the Virginia line as being connected to the family. Story three. On 4 October 1772 a ship named Lord Dunluce left Larne, Ireland, filled with a Presbyterian minister and his congregation. These people were mostly Scots-Irish who had fled from their homes in Scotland to new homes in Northern Ireland, only to eventually be forced out by rising rents and British and Irish hate. One of the persons on that ship was John Greg. He was a man born in Ireland from a father that had been run out of Scotland. The family name, before they left Scotland, was MacGregor. That name was less than popular in Scotland due to a small misunderstanding with the Crown. Like many of his clan, his father had changed his name. John arrived in Charlestown on 20 December 1772. He was given land at the Royal Governors Council on 6 January 1773, but his name was spelled by the Governors' staff as John Gregg in the Council Journal. He lived in the Camden District of SC. That area borders the NC counties where many Griggs descendants are still living. John went to war during the American Revolution but in the South Carolina Army. Whether our John Griggs is the same, or related to, this man is unknown. Four likely candidates for John Griggs are: John Gray Gregg Sr., the son of a merchant (Edward Gregg who was also one of those MacGregors from Scotland), that came to the new world from Northern Ireland. There were Gregg children living in Chesterfield County at the same time as John was. Some of those same Gregg children moved at the same time as Lewis (John's son), to within a stone's throw of him in Lowndes County, Alabama. The 1800 Census put John Greggs in Chesterfield County, the North Carolina property deed put John in Chesterfield in 1804, the 1800 Census put another male (25-45) in John's household in South Carolina. (This perhaps indicates a previous marriage. It is believed by some to be Charles Gregg.) A John Dawson witnessed on the Lewis Griggs property sale in North Carolina, and there are Dawson ladies in the Lewis Griggs Bible. A witness named Dunn shows on the Edward Gregg documents, and there is Dunn in the Lewis Griggs Bible. There is also a man named Dismukes showing up on the documents in Anson County and that family name popping up again in a very small church, in the same county with Lewis Griggs in Alabama. Lew, Lemuel and Samuel Griggs all married ladies named Bryan or Bryant. All the ladies were from Georgia, and all were married in Lowndes County, the ladies all being members of the same small church with Lewis. (Lemuel and Samuel did not show in the church records but the marriages did.) This church only had twenty male members and twenty-six female members. All these things taken separately don't amount to much, but taken togather they represent a good reason to believe that John could have been a Gregg Family member as well as Lemuel, Samuel, Elisha, Daniel, Henry and Lydia. John could of been a member of the Gregg Family from Marion County, South Carolina. This is the family of Rev. Alexander Gregg who wrote the book on The History of Old Cheraws. There is no evidence for or against this possibility. John could of been a member of the John Greg Family that arrived on the Lord Dunluce in 1772. Most of this family was in Camden District, Fairfield County. This is a possible candidate. John could of been a member of the Grigg Family from Virginia/North Carolina. Again, there is no proof either way. There also is a fifth possibility. In 1755, there was a John Griggs in Anson County, North Carolina. He had the first entry in the Grantee Index in the county seat. There was a land grant of Grassy Island Wagon Ford and the sale of it in 1755, but then he disappears. His connection to our John Griggs, if any, is unknown. There was also a Daniel Griggs in the county about the same time. This was probably Daniel Gregg, son of John Gray Gregg Sr. who we know lived in Chesterfield County, SC over the border. (This is one of the men who moved to Alabama in December of 1830). Some of the Gregg children and grandchildren move to Lowndes County, Alabama. One of John Griggs' known sons (assuming the Lewis Griggs in Lowndes County, Alabama is the Lewis that John sired) just happened to already live in Lowndes County. Also in Lowndes County, you have four of those Gregg children, which are definitely Gregg: Elisha Gregg, Daniel Gregg, Henry Gregg and Lydia Gregg. (They are renamed on the 1850 Census as Griggs. Lewis is named a Grigg on the 1840 Census.) Lydia Griggs gets married in Lowndes County, Alabama on 21 Jan 1836 by J.F. Pruitt (JP). Daniel Gregg aquired his first land in Lowndes on 16 Jan 1831. This is the same month that Lewis shows up in Lowndes County. The Rushing Line may supply proof of John's birth name. John's wife, Fannie, is believed to have been a Rushing and there was some documentation on the Rushing family. ("Rushing around the South," by Barbara Miller Hire Crumpton ) The will of John Gregg Sr. in Fairfield County, South Carolina has John Gregg Senior calling his sons "GRIGG" and one of the executors is William Reynolds. (One of John's daughters married a Reynolds.) The only names in the Lewis Griggs Bible that the family can't seem to find ties for have been William Dunn, born June 12, 1832 in Lowndes County, Alabama and two Dawson ladies. The witness on a document that Edward Gregg signed that would make Edward the executor of the James Grigg estate was a man named Benjamin Dunn. The witness to Lewis Griggs selling the property in Anson County, NC was John Dawson. As an added biblical touch, the Methodist Archives in Montgomery , AL shows that the church officer for the church that Lewis belonged to in Alabama was a man named Dismukes. The clerk that witnessed the Lewis Griggs property sale in North Carolina was a Dismukes. (They were not the same man but as circumstantial evidence goes this just added to associated family list.) State records show that one of the Fairfield County Regulators was John Grigg. Council Journal 37, Page 15, Meeting of January 6th, 1773, Lord Charles Greville Montagu, Governor shows that John Gregg was awarded 150 acres in Fairfield District on the border of Camden District. This may not be related but it could be of value in late searches. In Combahee and Cheraw Districts of South Carolina, the Tax Collector for 1786 was John Griggs. This may have been a member of the Gregg Line stemming from Jannet and her clan in Marion County. Angie

I am actively searching and researching the Roscoe Families ( various spellings i.e. Roscow, Roscoe, Rosco, Rascoe, Ruscoe, ect.) and all interelated families throughout the United States. I am particularlyinterested in those lines in Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina. South Carolina counties include but is not limited to CHESTERFIELD, Marlboro, and Darlington. If anyone else has any interest along these lines, are related to these families through marriage, or other connections I would like to hear from you with the possibility of sharing and exchanging information. I have a rather large collection of material and date on these families already but would like to fill in some holes. Currently, I can be reached on this mailing list. I am a member of several other mailing list however and can also be reached on the following mailing lists: SCMarlbo-L@rootsweb.com NC Anson-L@rootsweb.com NC Richmo-L@rootsweb.com NCBertie-L@rootsweb.com NCHyde-L@rootsweb.com ALDallas-L@rootsweb.com VANortha-L@rootsweb.com TXVanzan-@rootsweb.com LaDesoto-L@rootsweb.com LaBossie-L@rootsweb.com KyChrist-L@rootsweb.com GaChatha-L@rootsweb.com Roscoe-L@rootsweb.com and about a dozen other rootweb sites. I am also be reached at the forllowing sites: Http://Genforum.Genealogy.com/Rasco/ Http://Genforum.Genealogy.com/Roscoe/ Http://Genforum.Genealogy.com/Ruscoe/ Http://Genforum.Genealogy.com/Chesterfield/ Ancestry.Com Message Boards I can also be reached (Preferred) at < JRRASCO@AOL.COM > I look forward to hearing from any of you who has common interest to mine. I would also like to thank all of you who have contacted me, supported me, and help me in the past. It is appreciated very much. I look forward to working togather with all of you in the future at this or other sites. Thank you all very much, God Bless all of you and have a very Merry Christmas. James R. Rasco Harvey, Louisiana

OK, enough is enough. I would not normally do this publicly on the list, because it tends to waste the time of everyone involved, but since Mr. Rasco feels it necessary to make comments onlist, then he will be answered onlist. There is not now, and never has been, a rule on this list against what you put in your signature line. We have only 3 rules -- (1) Posts should be on topic, relating to history or genealogy in the Chesterfield County area. (2) We do not do "roll call" type posts, which is any message with nothing other than surnames, whether one or many. (3) Flaming, sarcasm, abuse, and other mistreatment of list members is NOT allowed. In all the time that I have been list-mom, exactly ONE person has been temporarily unsubscribed for repeated violations of one or more of these rules. As you may guess from the tone of his email, that would be Mr. Rasco. As you can also see, he is back on the list -- he was told that he was certainly free to resubscribe if he would abide by the rules of the list. In case there is any confusion, I personally don't believe that this post is in the spirit of abiding by the rules. So, this time a public warning. Mr. Rasco, your next violation of the list rules will result in your being banned from this list. My apologies to you all for this discussion of something that should never have been public business. This sort of thing is certainly a distraction from the sharing of information that is the list's purpose, and it's unfortunate that it happened at a time when there was a nice discussion going on. I hope that we can get back to the discussion of genealogy now. Angie List-mom At 08:18 PM 12/03/2001 -0500, Jrrasco@aol.com wrote: >By the way you might not want to list your sur-name interest as you did on >the bottom of your note. Listing a string of surnames that you and perhaps >other may have an INTEREST in on this mailing list may be considered a "Roll >Call" request and that a big no no which might get you removed by the list >mon for breaking the rules, messing up the search engine, and filling up >other member mail boxes with what has been termed by her as useless list of >names or something to that effect. >I to am on several mailing list and I receive hundreds of e-messages every >day. Most of these messages are not to me but to someone else on which ever >list they are going to but I don't flame or complane about my mail box fill >up with information that means nothing to me. That what I have found out the >delete button onmy computer is good for. If I did not want to receive >messages, I would just not join open to everone mailing list. And of course >some folks get real upset if you forget to reply to them with a lot of thank >yous or if they think you have intentionally said something that might have >offended someone else when no offence was intended in the first place.

Thank you Patsy for your offer to help. I also appreciate the help you have given me in the past. I don't know how much I can tellyou on your list of names other then where they connect with a Roscoe family. Most of my data, which is certainly not complete has to do with the various Roscoe families in that area. By the way you might not want to list your sur-name interest as you did on the bottom of your note. Listing a string of surnames that you and perhaps other may have an INTEREST in on this mailing list may be considered a "Roll Call" request and that a big no no which might get you removed by the list mon for breaking the rules, messing up the search engine, and filling up other member mail boxes with what has been termed by her as useless list of names or something to that effect. I to am on several mailing list and I receive hundreds of e-messages every day. Most of these messages are not to me but to someone else on which ever list they are going to but I don't flame or complane about my mail box fill up with information that means nothing to me. That what I have found out the delete button onmy computer is good for. If I did not want to receive messages, I would just not join open to everone mailing list. And of course some folks get real upset if you forget to reply to them with a lot of thank yous or if they think you have intentionally said something that might have offended someone else when no offence was intended in the first place. Perhaps it would be best if we correstponded off list. My e-mail address is < jrrasco@aol.com > My snail address is: James R. Rasco 2000 Alejo del Sur Harvey, La. 70058-2901

Hi Charley, Thank you for your responce. You are correct on both accounts. I mistyped what I have on my family group sheets. Joe was the son of Rosa (Roscoe) Sellers not Joe's wife Juanita. Kola (Rivers) Roscoe did die April 20 th rather then the 21st. This is in agreement with what James Pigg shows in his Chesterfield County Cemetery survey, Volume 1, page 299. I am sorry but I do not know who the parents of Juanita Rivers were. I have a question for you. Did you ever here of a Catherine Parker, alias Catherine Purvis who was born 15 December 1874 reportedly in North Caolina, died March 14 1950 in Coffee County Alabama? She married William Joseph Rascoe in Chesterfield County South Carolina 24 April 1887. Records in Alabama as well as her descendants list her maiden sur-name as Purvis, but Chesterfield County Court Records list her as "Catherine Parker, alias Catherine Purvis". Chesterfield County Court records dated May 3rd 1887; 19th August 1887; and 5th September 1887 shows that William Joseph Rascoe and Catherine were indited on the charges of Intermarriage of races. The court papers do not say what races. Descendants of William Joseph Rascoe claim that he was part Cherokee but census records in South Carolina show he was classified as Mullato. Apparently Catherine was considerred White. William Joseph Rascoe was a son of Rebecca Rascoe (Roscoe) and an unknown father. He was born 1 October 1868 in Chesterfield County S.C. and died 3 June 1930 in Coffee County Alabama. His mother, Rebecca, was never legally married as far as I can tell. Rebecca was born 8th February 1841 in Chesterfield County and died 8th February 1923 and is buried at the Bethesda Methodist Cemetery. Rebecca had at least four illigitimate children: Margaret "Maggie" Roscoe born 1856; Josphine Roscoe born 1857; William Joseph Rascoe; and Virginia Jane Roscoe born 28 October 1874, died 12 July 1956. According to what I have been told, Rebecca Rascoe (Roscoe) was a sister of Joseph Frankline Roscoe born 1843 in Chesterfield County to a Jane Roscoe. Joseph F. Roscoe died 24 March 1917 and is buried in the Cassidy-Roscoe Cemetery between Ruby and Patrick S.C. He was married 28 Feb. 1868 to Ruey Jane Cassidy, daughter of Warren Cassidy. Traditions in that line of the family states that Rebecca and Joseph Roscoe father was an Indian names Joe Johnson who lived in a place near Ruby known as Johnson's Cave. I have found no proof of this however. I believe that their mother, Jane Roscoe, a sister of Oliver Roscoe, was married to a man named Minder. Jane Minder and her children, including Rebecca and Joseph are listed on the 1850 census of Chesterfield County, page 114, very near where Riley Roscoe, another brother was living at the time. In 1850 Jane Minder was either a widow or her husband had left her. By 1860 she had returned to using her maiden name of Rascoe. The Rascoe families in South Carolina were originally in the Marlboro section of the Cheraw District. By 1810 some had drifted over into Chesterfield County. Oliver and Riley showed up in the 1850 census of Chesterfield County. The spelling of the sur-name amoung some of the descending families began to be spelled as Roscoe following the War Between the States and has become the prominant spelling in that part of the country today. Descendants who moved from the Marlboro/Chesterfield area to other parts of the country such as Georgia, Alabame, Texas, and Kentucky, between 1820 and 1870 continue to use the spelling Rascoe or Rasco. The Rascoe came into Marlboro County just prior to the 1790 census. They had came down from Bertie County North Carolina via Wayne County N.C. The Rascoes were in the Bertie and Hyde County N.C. Areas from about 1748 and prior to that they were in Northampton County Virginia from the late 1680's. My own line of the family left Bertie County N.C. in 1794 and migrated to Sumner County Tennessee. By the late 1790's they were in that part of Christian County Kentucky which became Trigg County. About 1822-23, my line moved down to Dallas County Alabama. After the War they moved to Cullman County Alabama and in 1892 they moved to Comanche County Texas. I have been researching all branches of the Rascoe family for over 40 years and my line is thoughtly researched and documented. I began helping a lady in Mississippi, who's husband was a descendant of the South Carolina branch of the Roscoe family, some twenty five years ago. That lady has since died. There are three other families in Alabama and Texas who also descend from these Rascos (Roscoes) but can only prove back to the time period 1808-1820. I have been trying to help them identify which of the Rascoe that were there at that time was their next step back. In my younger days, working on my on family lines, I travel to all the states and counties that my family had lived in and researched the primary records. I spent lots of vacations at the National Archives in D.C., the National DAR Library in D.C., the States Archives and Libraries in Virgina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico, and California. and hundreds of County Courthouses across the country. I have wore out several pair of boots walking and recording in cemeteries. Thousand of letters written and received from other researcher. As I said, my branch of the family has been thoroghly researched and documented back to the late 1600's. Three books have been published. I have now grown old and not able to travel or research as I once did. I live on a small, fixed retirement. During my 40 years of research on my line of the family I have lot of help and cooperation from almost everyone. Trying to obtain information on the South Carolina branch of the family as been difficult to say the least. Very little coorperation from family members. Destroyed records. South Carolina poorly kept or required records especially in the Rural Counties. People who rather hinder someone then help them. Despite all these roadblock I have managed to collect quite a bit of data on this not very prominent family and their connections and I will continue to dig, search, and ask until I can't. My postings have upset some folk who do not know me. That their problem not mine. Thanks once again for your reply and time. I would like to hear from you again. If I can help you let me know. I live in the New Orleans area. James R. Rasco

Darlene, Do you know if this is the same family as Rev. Knight, pastor of Fork Creek Methodist Church in the 1700's - author of the diary? thanks, Susan X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:34:49 -0600 From: Darlene Henson <dhenson@lcc.net> Hi James, What do you have on the Chesterfield SC Knight family? I am especially interested in Montrow/Monroe Achilles Knight b. June 6, 1812. He may also be known as Arch/Archie Knight. I have a picture of Achilles and his wife Moina Clarke Knight in their later years if anyone is interested. Thanks, Darlene Walker Henson dhenson@lcc.net ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at blarneystone.net

James, I have Teal, Peavy and Brock lines. i do not know if I told you are not. we may be able to help each other. Brock, Copeland, Teal , Barber, Parker, Sweatt, Peavy, Ellis, Coward. Patsy

In a message dated 12/02/2001 1:17:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, Jrrasco@aol.com writes: > RIVERS: Juanita Rivers married W. Joe Sellers. Juanita was a daughter > of > Rosa A. (Roscoe) Sellers and William K. Sellers. > James, This should read W. Joe is the son of Rosa A. (Roscoe) Sellers and William K. Sellers. Juanita was the daughter of ????. Do you have Juanita's parents name? > Kola Rivers born 6 July 1909, died 21 April 1984, > daughter > of Coy Rivers and Lora Smith, married Henry Lawrence Roscoe 15 Nov. 1941. > Henry was born 21 April 1905 and died Sept. 3, 1977. He was a son of > Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe and Annie Jane (Lisenby) Roscoe. Annie's mother > was > Margaret Rivers. > I have Kola death recorded as 20 April 1984. Charlie

Thanks Charlie I certainly appreciate the information and your taking the time to read and respond to my query. I was aware that the Church was on Hunt Mill Road from the map Chesterfield County. I was unsure which post office the mail went through to get there since Bethesda community does not have a post office. I am sure it is a rural route but I do not know the route number of box number nor the zip code to address a letter to. With an incomplete address or improper address the letters are often returned to the sender. I will see if I can locate an address for Rev. Caulder. Again, thanks for your help and time it is appreciated. God bless you and your family and may you have a very Merry Chrismas. James R. Rasco

Thanks for the info Donna. Bethesda Church is located in the community of Bethesda between Cheraw and Patrick and Chesterfield and Patrick. I have checked the internet white pages and there is no telephone or address given for the church. Anyway thank you for your time and responce to my query. God Bless you and Merry Christmas James R. Rasco

Thanks Donna. I am happy to provide the data for those like yourself who are interested. I would like to see more activity on the list but I think some folks would rather see absolutely nothing posted to the Chesterfield list as to see a posting of mine or an inquiry about names that I am interested in from the Chesterfield area and seeking other who have simualar interest. I still believe that your Maude may have been from one or the other Roscoe (Rascoe) families in Marlboro County. I believe that the one in Marlboro County are blood related to most of the ones in Chesterfield County even if they don't believe they are. There may be one exception with the family of John Ruscoe who settled in Anson County N.C. about 1840. He was originally from New York State. One or two of his children moved down into the Chesterfield area where some of the Roscoes (Rascoes) were living and changed the spelling of their name from Ruscoe to Roscoe. I do not think the Ruscoe are related to the other Roscoes (Rascoes). Good luck with your research and thanks for your comments and observations. God Bless you, James R. Rasco

In a message dated 12/02/2001 2:34:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, Jrrasco@aol.com writes: > Can some one on this list please give me the name of the current pastor of > the Bethesda United Methodist Church. Also a mailing address for the church > or pastor. > > Bethesda United Methodist Pastor Ronnie Caulder Hunts Mill Rd. (Patrick Area) Charlie

Sorry don't have the specific info you asked for but have generally be able to get information about United Methodist Church from General Commission on Archives and History for United Methodist Church at: http://www.gcah.org/ I also have the address of Dallas SMU Library: http://poni.smu.edu/ Another address for Methodist Information is: http://infoserve.umc.org If one or the other can't help you, they'll direct you to someone who can. You didn't say where Church is located. I don't find a Bethesda UMC listed in Cheraw telephone book. Hope this helps. donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jrrasco@aol.com> To: <SCCHESTERFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: [SCCHESTERFIELD] Bethesda United Methodist Church > Can some one on this list please give me the name of the current pastor of > the Bethesda United Methodist Church. Also a mailing address for the church > or pastor. > > > Thank you very much for your help > > > James R. Rasco > > > ==== SCCHESTERFIELD Mailing List ==== > A 'roll call' by any other name is still just a list of surnames. Please, no roll calls on this list! > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi James, Happy to see so much information posted. While it wasn't addressed to me, I do appreciate it because you have some of my links and may answer some of my questions. Will be busy next few days sorting it out, hopefully I can add something. Again thanks for sharing. I'm still trying to find who Maude Roscoe is and where she fits. donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jrrasco@aol.com> To: <SCCHESTERFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: [SCCHESTERFIELD] Fwd: Roscoe connections with your list > > --part1_9.1f771a1c.293be5eb_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > --part1_9.1f771a1c.293be5eb_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-path: <Jrrasco@aol.com> > From: Jrrasco@aol.com > Full-name: Jrrasco > Message-ID: <cf.fa1b01f.293be52d@aol.com> > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:12:29 EST > Subject: Roscoe connections with your list > To: tmtucker@vnet.net > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 > > Hi Again Mike: > > SELLERS: William K. Sellers born March 10, 1868, died December 31, 1959 > married as his third wife, Rosa A. Roscoe born August 15, 1882, died October > 20, 1959. Daughter of Joseph Franklin Roscoe and Ruey Jane (Cassidy) Roscoe. > They were married 29 December 1916. > > W. A. Sellers married Bertha R. Sellers 5 December 1926. > Bertha was born 28 June 1896 and died in March 1990. She was a daughter of > Madison "Mack" D.Roscoe. > > > GAINEY: Craig Gainey married Ardelia R. Roscoe 1 January 1927. She was > born 3 April 1898 and died in November 1973. A daughter of Madison D. Roscoe. > > John G. Gainey married Bertha E. Roscoe 16 April 1916. > Bertha was born 22 May 1894 and died 16 November 1987. She was a daughter of > William Dock Roscoe. > > Murray M. Gainey married Rosa L. Roscoe 12 November 1923. > Rosa was born 14 Sept. 1905 and died 10 Feb. 1978. She was a daughter of Mack > C. Roscoe and Nancy (Brown) Roscoe. > > Maggie Gainey who may have been a Crowley, married Daniel > Andrew Roscoe 8 July 1926. Daniel was born 12 September 1894 and died in > January 1926. He was a son of William R. Roscoe and Mary Jane White. > > Berdine Gainey married Hattie Roscoe January 16 1926. > Hattie was born 3 April 1907 and died 10 January 1980. She was a daughter of > William R. Roscoe and Mary Jane White. > > Charley Gainey married Cora Lee Roscoe. Cora Lee was a > daughter of Edward Roscoe and Bessie Mae (Campbell) Roscoe. > > > RIVERS: Juanita Rivers married W. Joe Sellers. Juanita was a daughter of > Rosa A. (Roscoe) Sellers and William K. Sellers. > > Kola Rivers born 6 July 1909, died 21 April 1984, daughter > of Coy Rivers and Lora Smith, married Henry Lawrence Roscoe 15 Nov. 1941. > Henry was born 21 April 1905 and died Sept. 3, 1977. He was a son of > Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe and Annie Jane (Lisenby) Roscoe. Annie's mother was > Margaret Rivers. > > Geneva Rivers born 18 Sept 1906, died in December 1977, > buried in the Teal Cemetery, married John Gurley Roscoe. John was born 6 > April 1903 and died in December 1990. He was a son of Madison D. Roscoe and > Janetta Amilia (Grooms) Roscoe. > > Margaret Rivers married Hezekiah L. Lisenby and these were > the parents of Annie Jane Lisenby who married Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe. > > Betty Jean Rivers married Randy Keith Roscoe 26 May 1984. > Randy was born 25 July 1960. He is a son of Walter Keith Roscoe and Alice > (Griggs) Roscoe. > > > TEAL: Johnny Mack Teal, Sr. married Margaret L. Roscoe 27 February > 1953 or 54. Margaret was born between 1935 and 1940. She is a daughter of > William "Willie" Roscoe and Jamina Rosanelle "Nellie" (Brock) Roscoe. > > Mary or Nancy Teal born abt. 1849-1851 married William > Roscoe about 1865. William Roscoe may have been a son of William Riley Roscoe > and Julia Cross. William and Nancy were the parents of Alexander "Sandy" > Roscoe. > > > POLSON: Evander Polson born abt. 1832-37, died 16 November 1917 married > about 1857-58 as his second wife, Martha Roscoe born 20 > July 1835, > died 11 July 1915. Daughter of Daniel and Betsy Roscoe. > > Billy Robert Polson married Wanda Lea Roscoe 4 February > 1977. Wanda was born 12 March 1958 and is a daughter of Joseph Henderson > Roscoe and Mary Elizabeth (Holmes) Roscoe. > > Worthy Augustus "Gus" Polson married Elsie Roscoe 3 > November 1951. Elsie was born 6 April 1911 and died 5 June 1993.She was a > daughter of Mack Roscoe and Nancy (Brown) Roscoe. > > Lorretta Polson born 21 December 1924 married James > Oscar Roscoe 21 April 1946. James was born 14 June 1917 and died 1 May 1983. > He was a son of Mack Roscoe and Nancy (Brown) Roscoe. > > > FREEMAN: Margaret "Fannie" Freeman born 19 April Anson County N.C., > daughter of John Freeman and Leona (Gibson) Freeman, married 4 July 1942 John > Wesley Roscoe born 14 Sept. 1916, died 6 March 1998. Son od John Walter > Roscoe and Sarah (Henderson) Roscoe. > > Murry Sidney Freeman married Mary Roscoe. Mary was born > 16 July 1908 and died 16 September 1980. Daughter of Mack Roscoe and Nancy > (Brown) Roscoe. > > > BOATWRIGHT: Lloyd Boatwright married Margaret Elizabeth Roscoe daughter of > William Arthur Roscoe and Florence (Webb) Roscoe. > > > OAKLEY: Sharon Elizabeth "Beth" Oakley born 7 December 1968, > daughter of Bonnie Zane Lisenby and Robert "Bob" Julius Oakley, married Paul > Anderson Roscoe 19 Nov. 1988. Paul was born 6 Dec. 1968. Son of Leonard > Dewitt Roscoe and Madelyn Dorenda (Honeycutt) Roscoe. Believe Beth was born a > Lisenby and was adopted by Bob Oakley. > > > KNIGHT: Thomas S. Knight married Mary or Maggie Susan Roscoe 14 > January 1914. She was born 10 January 1891 and died in 1964. She was a > daughter of Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe and Annie Jane (Lisenby) Roscoe. > > > BURR: Mary Esther Burr born 30 August 1909, died 22 February > 2001, married Charley Williard Roscoe 4 September 1924. Charley was born 18 > June 1893 and died 19 July 1954. He was a son of William Dock Roscoe and > Rachel (Bowen) Roscoe. Mary Ester was an illigitimate daughter of Lula Mae > Burr and an unknown Sellers. > > Mildred Virginia Burr born 29 July 1909, died August > 24 1984 married Bogan C. Roscoe, Sr. before 1930. > > > In the 1860 census of Chesterfield County S.C., Colehill twp., Chisum or > Cheraw P.O., page 99, Dwelling and family # 76 is the household of Hugh Coker > and his family. His wife Lucy A. "Drucilla" Coker; and seven Coker children. > Also in this household are: Elizabeth Rasco age 40; Harriet Rasco age 14; > Joseph Mundun Rasco age 12; William Mundun Rasco age 10; and Mary Jane Mundun > Rasco age 50. Would you happen to know who these Rasco's were and what became > of them? Which line of the Rasco (Roscoe) do they belong to? > > > If you see any mistakes or can add anything to all the above please do so. > > > James R. Rasco > > > > > > > > > --part1_9.1f771a1c.293be5eb_boundary-- > > > ==== SCCHESTERFIELD Mailing List ==== > A 'roll call' by any other name is still just a list of surnames. Please, no roll calls on this list! > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Can some one on this list please give me the name of the current pastor of the Bethesda United Methodist Church. Also a mailing address for the church or pastor. Thank you very much for your help James R. Rasco

Darlene et al, Do you know anything about a Moses Knight who was around Chesterfield Co. in 1788? My ancestor, Sarah , who was first married to John Donaldson, and later to Daniel Hicks, was summoned to appear in court on his behalf. I have never discovered Sarah's maiden name, and I am looking under every rock. -------------------------------------------------- 1788:Daniel & Sarah Hicks, 1788, By Virture of a Writ of Summons to you directed and herewith showed unto you, you are personally to be and appear before the Justices of our County Court of Marlborough to be held at Gardners bluff on the first Monday in Sept. next in order to testify according to your knowledge the truth in a certain cause now depending then and these to be tried Between Moses Knight Plaintiff, and Andrew Gibson Defendant on the part and behalf of the said Defendant, herein fail not on pain of the penalties that will fall thereon at will as the forfiture of ten pounds proclamation paid of office this fourteenth day of July in the year of our Lord, One thousand seven hundred and eighty Eight. 1788:To the Sheriff of Chesterfield Co.,SC, August 25, 1788, I do certify that I have summoned the within named Daniel Hicks and Sarah his wife to be and appear at the time and place within mentioned. Signed: Allen Chapman, Sheriff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Joanne Harley NC harleyclan@coastalnet.com

--part1_9.1f771a1c.293be5eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_9.1f771a1c.293be5eb_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <Jrrasco@aol.com> From: Jrrasco@aol.com Full-name: Jrrasco Message-ID: <cf.fa1b01f.293be52d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:12:29 EST Subject: Roscoe connections with your list To: tmtucker@vnet.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Hi Again Mike: SELLERS: William K. Sellers born March 10, 1868, died December 31, 1959 married as his third wife, Rosa A. Roscoe born August 15, 1882, died October 20, 1959. Daughter of Joseph Franklin Roscoe and Ruey Jane (Cassidy) Roscoe. They were married 29 December 1916. W. A. Sellers married Bertha R. Sellers 5 December 1926. Bertha was born 28 June 1896 and died in March 1990. She was a daughter of Madison "Mack" D.Roscoe. GAINEY: Craig Gainey married Ardelia R. Roscoe 1 January 1927. She was born 3 April 1898 and died in November 1973. A daughter of Madison D. Roscoe. John G. Gainey married Bertha E. Roscoe 16 April 1916. Bertha was born 22 May 1894 and died 16 November 1987. She was a daughter of William Dock Roscoe. Murray M. Gainey married Rosa L. Roscoe 12 November 1923. Rosa was born 14 Sept. 1905 and died 10 Feb. 1978. She was a daughter of Mack C. Roscoe and Nancy (Brown) Roscoe. Maggie Gainey who may have been a Crowley, married Daniel Andrew Roscoe 8 July 1926. Daniel was born 12 September 1894 and died in January 1926. He was a son of William R. Roscoe and Mary Jane White. Berdine Gainey married Hattie Roscoe January 16 1926. Hattie was born 3 April 1907 and died 10 January 1980. She was a daughter of William R. Roscoe and Mary Jane White. Charley Gainey married Cora Lee Roscoe. Cora Lee was a daughter of Edward Roscoe and Bessie Mae (Campbell) Roscoe. RIVERS: Juanita Rivers married W. Joe Sellers. Juanita was a daughter of Rosa A. (Roscoe) Sellers and William K. Sellers. Kola Rivers born 6 July 1909, died 21 April 1984, daughter of Coy Rivers and Lora Smith, married Henry Lawrence Roscoe 15 Nov. 1941. Henry was born 21 April 1905 and died Sept. 3, 1977. He was a son of Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe and Annie Jane (Lisenby) Roscoe. Annie's mother was Margaret Rivers. Geneva Rivers born 18 Sept 1906, died in December 1977, buried in the Teal Cemetery, married John Gurley Roscoe. John was born 6 April 1903 and died in December 1990. He was a son of Madison D. Roscoe and Janetta Amilia (Grooms) Roscoe. Margaret Rivers married Hezekiah L. Lisenby and these were the parents of Annie Jane Lisenby who married Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe. Betty Jean Rivers married Randy Keith Roscoe 26 May 1984. Randy was born 25 July 1960. He is a son of Walter Keith Roscoe and Alice (Griggs) Roscoe. TEAL: Johnny Mack Teal, Sr. married Margaret L. Roscoe 27 February 1953 or 54. Margaret was born between 1935 and 1940. She is a daughter of William "Willie" Roscoe and Jamina Rosanelle "Nellie" (Brock) Roscoe. Mary or Nancy Teal born abt. 1849-1851 married William Roscoe about 1865. William Roscoe may have been a son of William Riley Roscoe and Julia Cross. William and Nancy were the parents of Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe. POLSON: Evander Polson born abt. 1832-37, died 16 November 1917 married about 1857-58 as his second wife, Martha Roscoe born 20 July 1835, died 11 July 1915. Daughter of Daniel and Betsy Roscoe. Billy Robert Polson married Wanda Lea Roscoe 4 February 1977. Wanda was born 12 March 1958 and is a daughter of Joseph Henderson Roscoe and Mary Elizabeth (Holmes) Roscoe. Worthy Augustus "Gus" Polson married Elsie Roscoe 3 November 1951. Elsie was born 6 April 1911 and died 5 June 1993.She was a daughter of Mack Roscoe and Nancy (Brown) Roscoe. Lorretta Polson born 21 December 1924 married James Oscar Roscoe 21 April 1946. James was born 14 June 1917 and died 1 May 1983. He was a son of Mack Roscoe and Nancy (Brown) Roscoe. FREEMAN: Margaret "Fannie" Freeman born 19 April Anson County N.C., daughter of John Freeman and Leona (Gibson) Freeman, married 4 July 1942 John Wesley Roscoe born 14 Sept. 1916, died 6 March 1998. Son od John Walter Roscoe and Sarah (Henderson) Roscoe. Murry Sidney Freeman married Mary Roscoe. Mary was born 16 July 1908 and died 16 September 1980. Daughter of Mack Roscoe and Nancy (Brown) Roscoe. BOATWRIGHT: Lloyd Boatwright married Margaret Elizabeth Roscoe daughter of William Arthur Roscoe and Florence (Webb) Roscoe. OAKLEY: Sharon Elizabeth "Beth" Oakley born 7 December 1968, daughter of Bonnie Zane Lisenby and Robert "Bob" Julius Oakley, married Paul Anderson Roscoe 19 Nov. 1988. Paul was born 6 Dec. 1968. Son of Leonard Dewitt Roscoe and Madelyn Dorenda (Honeycutt) Roscoe. Believe Beth was born a Lisenby and was adopted by Bob Oakley. KNIGHT: Thomas S. Knight married Mary or Maggie Susan Roscoe 14 January 1914. She was born 10 January 1891 and died in 1964. She was a daughter of Alexander "Sandy" Roscoe and Annie Jane (Lisenby) Roscoe. BURR: Mary Esther Burr born 30 August 1909, died 22 February 2001, married Charley Williard Roscoe 4 September 1924. Charley was born 18 June 1893 and died 19 July 1954. He was a son of William Dock Roscoe and Rachel (Bowen) Roscoe. Mary Ester was an illigitimate daughter of Lula Mae Burr and an unknown Sellers. Mildred Virginia Burr born 29 July 1909, died August 24 1984 married Bogan C. Roscoe, Sr. before 1930. In the 1860 census of Chesterfield County S.C., Colehill twp., Chisum or Cheraw P.O., page 99, Dwelling and family # 76 is the household of Hugh Coker and his family. His wife Lucy A. "Drucilla" Coker; and seven Coker children. Also in this household are: Elizabeth Rasco age 40; Harriet Rasco age 14; Joseph Mundun Rasco age 12; William Mundun Rasco age 10; and Mary Jane Mundun Rasco age 50. Would you happen to know who these Rasco's were and what became of them? Which line of the Rasco (Roscoe) do they belong to? If you see any mistakes or can add anything to all the above please do so. James R. Rasco --part1_9.1f771a1c.293be5eb_boundary--

James, I see you have a "Threatte" on your surname list. I am researching the Thweatt's who migrated to KY and eventually settled in Marshall Co....the Jackson Purchase area of western KY. My husband's grandfather, Edward Eli Thweatt, came from William Frederick Thweatt and Leona Jane Jones. William Frederick Thweatt was the son of Miles Green Thweatt. I haven't established Miles Green's father yet definitely. Any connections? Our Thweatt is pronounced "Threet" and they supposedly came from this area of SC, which is why I'm on this mailing list. Thanks. Judy Stone

TERESA: My reply to your address "bounced". I could not open your attachment. Please send gist of message in text of e-mail. KLINE PUGH

Please, please, please, please, PLEASE! As a reminder, we DO NOT do roll calls on this list. It doesn't matter what name you want to give it - do not post messages with nothing more than lists of surnames. They clog up the archives and wreak havoc on the search engine, to say nothing of the frustration of your fellow researchers slogging through dozens of messages with nothing in them but last names. Feel free to post questions, answers, data, *almost* anything, as long as it pertains to Chesterfield County history & genealogy or families from the area. I would love to see this list more active. But quality over quantity, purty please. Your grateful listowner, Angie