I am trying to help a friend out with this request. Her grandfather supposedly died in Charleston, SC at a place called "Royal Arcanum" around 1954. Has anyone heard of this? I don't even know where to start!!! Thanks, Maggee Smith

Hi Edward, I'm so glad to "see" you this morning. I am avoiding work as much as possible and playing with the HASELL family today. It seems I have more connections to them than I realized. Since much of my HASELL info came from you, I have a question: Do you know what connection CONSTANTIA HASELL, b. abt. 1716 who married JOHN PAGETT is to CONSTANTIA HASELL who married ROBERT QUASH in 1772? And is the earlier CONSTANTIA HASELL the same one who married GEORGE PADDON BOND? Do you have a date of marriage or any other info for the latter? These families are connected to mine through the JUIN, CARNE, and DUBOIS intermarriages. Thank you so much. Elizabeth DuBois Russo "Edward L. Manigault" wrote: > > Go to, or write, the Charleston City Hall. They probably still have copies > of a 1940's map showing old streets and many other interesting information. > > I purchased one several years ago. It is true that most streets are the > same, but, still, many have also changed due to land fill and other factors, > including combining of streets with change of names. > > Edward > > -----Original Message----- > From: CJK1043@aol.com <CJK1043@aol.com> > To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps > > >Can any one tell me how I might be able to get a early Charleston map, > >showing the Streets? After searching City Directories, I would like to be > >able to see how close certain streets were to each other and ect. I would > >like to have a copy of a map for Charleston Streets , around 1850 -1890 . > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577

Go to, or write, the Charleston City Hall. They probably still have copies of a 1940's map showing old streets and many other interesting information. I purchased one several years ago. It is true that most streets are the same, but, still, many have also changed due to land fill and other factors, including combining of streets with change of names. Edward -----Original Message----- From: CJK1043@aol.com <CJK1043@aol.com> To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps >Can any one tell me how I might be able to get a early Charleston map, >showing the Streets? After searching City Directories, I would like to be >able to see how close certain streets were to each other and ect. I would >like to have a copy of a map for Charleston Streets , around 1850 -1890 . > >

So I'm told, if you are talking about two different years... Does anyone know when house numbers became stable? I don't have records past about 1810 and I'm wondering how far I have to bring down the records to find out where the house truly is/was. Elizabeth CJK1043@aol.com wrote: > > So 528 King and 548 King could be the same ???

So 528 King and 548 King could be the same ???

Just one thing, though. Do not forget that house numbers changed over the years. So you need to check that the house number you have is the same as the current one. I thought it strange that my ggggrandfather's address moved down the street three times until someone explained either on this list or SCROOTS about how houses were re-numbered over the years as new places were constructed. One ancestor's early land description says "up the path" from the Bay; then it evolves into a description giving "bounded by" the various neighbors' names; then it becomes "bounded on the North by" whatever street, etc.; then the property was known as "Orange Garden"; then it was sold off and subdivided with Orange Street going down the middle of it; then houses became numbered, then renumbered. The evolution of property is fascinating, but it takes some time and effort tracing the records from abstracts. This is why I'd prefer to go from original indexes and records. But I know the fragile condition of records is such that this is just not always possible. This is another reason why I, too, am looking for maps. But I'm mainly looking for the land records, especially those with plat maps. Elizabeth Crckrsuze@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, Just a little info. Most of the streets that are listed in the city > directory are still in the same place they were in the early days. Just look > on a current city map, most available at AAA or online and search for the > name. I had no problem finding where my great, great grandparents lived and > in fact, the house is still there. > Jean > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Hi, Just a little info. Most of the streets that are listed in the city directory are still in the same place they were in the early days. Just look on a current city map, most available at AAA or online and search for the name. I had no problem finding where my great, great grandparents lived and in fact, the house is still there. Jean

Can any one tell me how I might be able to get a early Charleston map, showing the Streets? After searching City Directories, I would like to be able to see how close certain streets were to each other and ect. I would like to have a copy of a map for Charleston Streets , around 1850 -1890 .

Hi Pat, I'm allowing myself almost a week for research in Charleston. I'd like most to get into estate records and deeds going back to as early as the 1690s, especially looking at records that have not been transcribed or filmed before. -------------- ------------- Q. What I'd like to know is where the original estate records for that early are kept now. I understand that they are not held by the probate court for that early. Are they in the state archives? ------------- ------------- I know about the Charleston will transcriptions and plan to get what I don't already have at the public library, and understand that at least some administration records have been filmed, but am wondering if every little scrap got filmed and/or transcribed. I have worked my way through various abstract books, and know that there are family records not making it into these books--especially things like inventories for intestate estates for the earliest years. I have ordered database listings for the early newspaper listings from ESCN for some of my surnames. I have sent an email request to both the Huguenot Society and the SC Historical Society listing those documents I expect to obtain. The Huguenot Society responded rather quickly with 61 pages of documents for which they billed me, and the Historical Society is working with me on a research strategy to narrow down my requests as they involve several hundred pages of documents. I'll be spending a couple of days each at these places. I have been able to obtain a lot of info already from my research trips to Washington, DC. The DAR library was particularly helpful with its collection of books including church records and city directories and cemetery listings. What I'm looking to do in Charleston is focus on records and manuscripts and private collections that are available nowhere else. ------------ ------------ Q. Does anyone know the hours and copy costs for the Charleston Library Society? Does any facility allow flatbed scanning? [I tend to copy hundreds of pages per day.] ----------- ----------- I am mapping out a strategy so that I research at the places open only during the day for limited hours during those hours, supplemented by the Charleston County library thanks to the latter's generous hours allowing them to be open until 9 p.m. most nights. From my DC trips, I've managed to work in 12 hour research days routinely. Of course, this will be a little different as I plan to enjoy some non-research activities, or at least work in walking tours of neighborhoods where my ancestors lived. My son, cousins, and mother who are joining me from various states will ensure that I won't be under a research rock the entire time or I will have mutiny later. Besides, I remember how breathtakingly gorgeous Charleston is in April. Suggestions always welcomed, Elizabeth DuBois Russo Researching DUBOIS, MOUZON, JUIN, QUASH, PINCKNEY, HUTCHINSON, CARNE and many related families of 18th century Charleston especially St. Philip's Parish, and Old Berkeley county, especially St. Thomas/St. Denis Parish Patricia Kruger wrote: > > Charleston in the 1730s - that's an interesting challenge.

Pat, THANK YOU very much. "Wow" is all I can say! <g> Lots of different places to research in ... lots of "goodies" to check. Don't know if we can be there that long though. Do you happen to know of any good researcher there that knows these 'ropes?' I'm thinking that may be a good way to start. All we know is that our Joseph Pavey was granted land there in 1733, but it wasn't acted upon ... then, there was a Joseph Pavey who purchased land (from George Haig) in 1736, then sold it back to him. It is my feeling that the 1733 Joseph was the father of the 1736 Joseph (the 1736 Joseph was a "Victualler" ... supplier of goods to ships ... probably an Indian Trader and Ranger in Savannah who was hired by Oglethorpe, 1736.) We THINK that the 1733 Joseph was moving to Charleston from Sussex Co, DE, but died (bef. Jan, 1734) and that's why the land was never taken. We don't know whether he died in DE or Charleston. So, you can see, there's a lot of things that should be checked out. Thanks, again. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Kruger [mailto:pekruger@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 4:34 PM To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY ARCHIVES Charleston in the 1730s - that's an interesting challenge. You'd find deeds

Charleston in the 1730s - that's an interesting challenge. You'd find deeds at the mesne conveyance office and they will cover other areas of the colony besides Charleston. The newspapers that are filmed start about 1732 and are available at the public library, the SC Historical Society and the Charleston Library Society. The newspapers changed names frequently in the 1700s, so keep your eyes open for variations of the names. I found the newspaper collection at the Library Society the easiest to use - Public Library would be my second choice in terms of accessibility. Many church records for that time frame have been filmed. The public library has St. Philips for that time frame. The SC Historical Society has them on film or fiche and the Library Society has them on film/fiche as well. Of course, St. Philips wasn't the only church in the 1730s. I"m not sure about the other churches and whether their records are filmed or not. The Historical Society (SC) does have some account books and manuscripts that were kept by businessmen or leaders that might cover that time frame, but generally the 1730s is pretty early for much else. Of course, you have a wealth of cemeteries to check out (and there are graves from the early 1700s) - I don't think there has been a 'master cemetery' book that covers all the lower peninsula cemeteries, but you'll find various transcripts at the Library Society or the Historical Society (or by wandering). Some of the oldest are in the Circular Church graveyard on Meeting Street. The Public Library used to put out a hand out that covered their collection and identified other collections (with brief descriptions). You might check that out first. They have transcripts of wills from that time period as well as a collection of books that include some provincial records. Some miscellaneous records have been filmed about courts from 1716 - 1789 although it is limited. Unfortunately, the records in Charleston are scattered, but you've got a great city to visit while you're going from one repository to another ! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsha McWilliams <rmmcw@effingham.net> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY ARCHIVES > Hello, > If anyone has an answer to this, please post to the list. We, too, are > planning a trip to Charleston sometime later in the year, and I need to > research in the 1730's. Thanks. > Marsha McWilliams > >> > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org >

Elizabeth - The Charleston City Archives is an evolving collection of official documents and memorabilia. You might want to call and see what they have at this point in time. I don't know if they have a web site or not. Phone number was: 843 724 7301. Charleston is a hard place to do research since records are scattered in lots of different places. What type of records are you seeking? I used to live there and am familiar with a lot of the repositories - but the lack of a centralized location for genealogically oriented records is frustrating. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Russo <elizabethrusso@home.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:13 PM Subject: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY ARCHIVES > Can anyone tell me what records are contained in the Charleston City > Archives? My trip to Charleston in a couple of weeks will focus on 18th > century records, and I'm wondering if they have those sort of records. > > Elizabeth DuBois Russo > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org >

Pat, I will be checking out a land grant given in 1733. Do you know where those records would be kept? Thanks. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Kruger [mailto:pekruger@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 4:06 PM To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY ARCHIVES Elizabeth - The Charleston City Archives is an evolving collection of official documents and memorabilia. You might want to call and see what they have at this point in time. I don't know if they have a web site or not. Phone number was: 843 724 7301. Charleston is a hard place to do research since records are scattered in lots of different places. What type of records are you seeking? I used to live there and am familiar with a lot of the repositories - but the lack of a centralized location for genealogically oriented records is frustrating. Pat

Can anyone tell me what records are contained in the Charleston City Archives? My trip to Charleston in a couple of weeks will focus on 18th century records, and I'm wondering if they have those sort of records. Elizabeth DuBois Russo

Hello, If anyone has an answer to this, please post to the list. We, too, are planning a trip to Charleston sometime later in the year, and I need to research in the 1730's. Thanks. Marsha McWilliams -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Russo [mailto:elizabethrusso@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:13 PM To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY ARCHIVES Can anyone tell me what records are contained in the Charleston City Archives? 18th century records, Elizabeth DuBois Russo

Where would I find an old Charleston birth certificate for the following: Louis Charles Osler born January 1863 in Charleston ?? Joanne ZWheat5@aol.com

Thanks for reposting it. I found my ancestors and it answered alot of question but also opened up a few more questions. Thanks again. Joanne

http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4431.htm Hope this helps. It did for me. Bill

Can someone please post this website again for those of us that just signed up to this mail list. Thanks Joanne

Hi Jerri I went in on the directory for Charleston and found many of my Haig names that I want to know about. Since this is my first time to look at a city directory, I see names and the correct addresses for some relatives in 1890 that lived at the listed addresses but were only children in 1890. My gt and gt grandfather are listed, I believe. Does the city directory include along spand of time? I am just not sure of the sons of my Gt.Grandfather who are listed at the same address but were only born in the 1880s. I just need to straighten this out. i really appreciate your giving us this website Thanks Betty