Elizabeth....the cemetery at St. Philips is open and you can walk among the tombstones and take pictures...There is one across the street from the church which you can browse all day. The one that is on the side and around the back of the church ....you will have to wait until the gates are open. There is a sign on the gate and tells you the hours.... That cemetery (same side of street as church) by the way is one of the stops on the ghost story walking tour...Thought i would mention it in case you or your son enjoy ghost stories>grin> If you take pictures on the church side...check on what ASA film to use..I used 400 and took pictures of some of Edwards Manigault tombstones and they didn't turn out to well.... If you go to Bethel....check for Mouzon's too...and the Huguenot cemetery to.... Also Elizabeth....St. Philip's has offices on the street next to the cemetery across the street...you can't miss it....I didn't stop in and don't know what records they may have.

In a message dated 3/30/00 10:23:13 PM Central Standard Time, elizabethrusso@home.com writes: > Anyone know if their cemeteries are open > to the public, or if special arrangements need to be made? Same with > cemeteries for St.Philips and the French/Huguenot churches? St. Phillips is open to the public. Do you know if any of your Carne line connects to the Strobel family? As in Lewis J. Carne married Catherine Elizabeth Strobel in 1742? Margie Scott

Elizabeth....I would check the colleges and see which one has an architech program. ...Here in maryland there is asuch a program at the University of maryland and they have a large library just for the Dept. So I would check to find out which college has such a program in SC...Maybe some SC listers might be able to point you in the right direction....If there is such a library...I bet you coould find a weath of information... Have you checked the Historical Society web site manuscript collection? You can also try out the various links on the web site that will lead you to a tour (architectual) of Charleston which names the builders...original owners and present owners...I found Lewis Duturaque's home on that web site , and an number of others with surnames you will be interested in. I cruised that site and printed out some of the pictures ...etc....

Edward, thank you for the suggestions. I think I'll send my mother and son on one of the bus-type tours while I research, and then go with them to the Manigault house and out to Drayton Hall. I am rushing like mad to find out where the various family lands were to guess the most representative place to visit that would be open to the public. Knowing that the DUBOIS' had at least one rice plantation in St. Thomas/St. Denis of around 1000 acres, I figure Magnolia or Cypress Gardens or Middleton are great places to romanticize ancestral digs. Hah. In our dreams. Good Methodists, they were limited in their slaveholdings, and eventually took up trades such as carpentry and blacksmithing in Charleston by the 1790s. Yet these folks still managed fine educations for their offspring. And the ladies seem to have married well--QUASHes, PINCKNEYs, VILLEPONTOUX, and the like. But I think more representive would be to wander out among undeveloped lands and imagine people working very hard to scratch out a living with only a handful of hands. The HUTCHINSONs and CARNEs of my family did seem to have relatively large estates even in the city, but I think may have lost a great deal due to possible Tory sympathies. Haven't proven that yet, though. Actually, I think the latter two families were split in their loyalties, while my DUBOIS' managed to remain neutral somehow. Anyway, an uncle to my PETER DUBOIS' wife, ANN CLARKSON CARNE, was Dr. SAMUEL CARNE whose estate, Orange Gardens, was sold off just before the Revolution when he exited for England. I believe the present day Orange Street runs down the middle of what was his land. The Hutchinsons were the ones who lived "up the path" from the Bay; some eventually settled on East Bay. I guess I'll sigh and romanticize about how things might have been had not my line decided again and again to be Methodist ministers after the Revolution. Poor, but enlightened... <g> Which reminds me, I'll need to add the two Bethel Churches, old and "new", to my expanding list. Anyone know if their cemeteries are open to the public, or if special arrangements need to be made? Same with cemeteries for St.Philips and the French/Huguenot churches? I AM packing my running shoes. Okay, walking-as-fast-as-arthritic-knees- will-allow shoes. Elizabeth DuBois Russo "Edward L. Manigault" wrote: > > Elizabeth: > > If you've seen Middleton and taken the Museum tour (including the Manigault > House, I modestly add) then be SURE to visit Drayton Hall (and Magnolia > Gardens if you have time)

I recently discovered one of my HUTCHINSONs was a business partner with and adjoining landowner to beloved furniture maker THOMAS ELFE. Although the latter left a decent estate, it apparently rapidly went downhill, and THOMAS HUTCHINSON ended as a benefactor to the ELFE children, including HANNAH ELFE BONNEAU. Anyway, given this connection, plus my research showing many carpentry connections among my family members, I do want to search out THOMAS ELFE's shop. The HUTCHINSONs and CARNEs were among the carpenters as well as benefactors of St. Michael's and St. Philips. And my PETER DUBOIS was a carpenter within a stone's throw of St. Philips, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had a connection there, too. According to an obit, PETER DUBOIS was a major builder in Charleston c. 1800. I don't know if this is hyperbole. I have looked at the earliest Charleston city directories which is where I got the addresses for these folks. But where would I find things like building permits or the equivalent? I know some carpenters bid for work via public notices in the newspapers. Anywhere else I should look? What about lists of various guilds and their members? Elizabeth DuBois Russo

Be still my heart... Consider those babies mentioned below purchased. But, Ken, I really want those map books you spoke of earlier, since I have dozens of land transactions in Charleston prior to 1800 that I am trying to follow and figure out their locations now. Luckily, nearly all are on existing streets, but house numbers then versus now are perplexing. Do you think I can still get those map books at Gibbes Museum or the Charleston Museum? Then I also want maps of Old Berkeley, St. James Goose Creek, St. Thomas/St. Denis Parishes, Charles Towne before 1700, etc., hopefully showing landowners. Oh my, time to put a third mortgage on the house. Elizabeth Ken Daniell wrote: > > Elizabeth, > "This is Charleston An Architectural Survey of a Unique American City", 139 pages, > published by Carolina Art Association, has been preprinted multiple times since 1944. > The copy I have was printed 1995. My price was $6.95. For purchases contact Gibbes > Museum Shop, 135 Meeting St., Charleston, South Carolina 29401. There are 572 > photographs of buildings with name, street address, and categorized as Nationally > Important, Valuable to City, Valuable, and Notable. > "Complete Charleston A Guide to the Architecture, History, and Gardens of Charleston" > by Margaret H. Moore, 1997, 205 pages, pub. by TM Photography, Inc., P.O. Box 351, > Charleston, SC 29402, 803-577-4288, $16.50. Divided into walking tours of 11 > neighborhoods with historical descriptions of buildings and homes, though not all are > photographed. > For the truly serious the last word is "The Buildings of Charleston" by Jonathan H. > Poston for Historic Charleston Foundation, 1997, University of South Carolina Press, > Columbia, SC, $39.95 (a bargain), 659 pages. Features more than 1,000 photographs and > drawings; street address, date, detailed text for each entry. > Ken Daniell > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Elizabeth, "This is Charleston An Architectural Survey of a Unique American City", 139 pages, published by Carolina Art Association, has been preprinted multiple times since 1944. The copy I have was printed 1995. My price was $6.95. For purchases contact Gibbes Museum Shop, 135 Meeting St., Charleston, South Carolina 29401. There are 572 photographs of buildings with name, street address, and categorized as Nationally Important, Valuable to City, Valuable, and Notable. "Complete Charleston A Guide to the Architecture, History, and Gardens of Charleston" by Margaret H. Moore, 1997, 205 pages, pub. by TM Photography, Inc., P.O. Box 351, Charleston, SC 29402, 803-577-4288, $16.50. Divided into walking tours of 11 neighborhoods with historical descriptions of buildings and homes, though not all are photographed. For the truly serious the last word is "The Buildings of Charleston" by Jonathan H. Poston for Historic Charleston Foundation, 1997, University of South Carolina Press, Columbia, SC, $39.95 (a bargain), 659 pages. Features more than 1,000 photographs and drawings; street address, date, detailed text for each entry. Ken Daniell

Elizabeth: If you've seen Middleton and taken the Museum tour (including the Manigault House, I modestly add) then be SURE to visit Drayton Hall (and Magnolia Gardens if you have time) in the same area. My wife and I feel the Nathaniel Russell House is at least tied for the most beautiful. If you happen to travel up the coast toward Georgetown, take the time to visit Hampton Plantation, just south of the Santee River and one of the really old homes in the area. It was last in the care of Archibald Rutledge, but now a state park. The forts in the area are very interesting, but take much more time when there is so much to see. Edward

--383725224.954445928790.JavaMail.root@web16.pub01 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Attached is the Obituary of John Cornish Wilkinson, Jr.; s/o John Cornish Wilkinson, Sr. and Lily Clark of Edisto Island, S.C., and my mother's first cousin. I would like to extend a special thank-you to Jan Dool, one of the Norfolk, Va. "genealogical angels" for doing the lookup for me. She went above and beyond the call of duty, sending me copies not only of the obit, but the interment card from Forest Lawn and copies of some of his columns in the Norfolk Virginian-Pilot. I had searched for him for so long, getting no response whatsoever to my inquiries to the Virginian-Pilot, and found her quite by accident while searching for info on him. Hats off to you, Jan, and all the other "angels" out there who have helped me and others to find info we could never have found otherwise. 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I am SO appreciating all the help I'm getting here. May I beg everyone's indulgence and ask for your top recommendations of MUST SEE Charleston places? My visit in April is in conjunction with the Huguenot Reunion 2000 which is an impromptu decision of several researchers on the Huguenot-L rootsweb list to get together. About 20 of us, including family members--3 teenaged boys and some others, as well as some "locals" will be in Charleston around Easter weekend, with some of us staying around a week. In years past--my most recent visit being about eight years ago--I have enjoyed various bus and walking tours of several local sites, plus some out a ways like Middleton Place. At the time I visited, I knew very little about my ancestry, and had no genealogical interests. But I loved everything I saw and could spend a month there easily. Now the interests are in places existing before 1800, plus genealogical research. As a group, we will be researching at the Huguenot Society, the SC Historical Society, and time permitting--the Charleston Library Society, the public library, and some others. We will be attending services on Easter at the French/Huguenot church. I hope also to attend services or at least visit St. Philips--any knowledge if they will have Good Friday services perhaps? I will be going to the Office of Mesne Conveyances--did I get the name right--if I can. I have family connections throughout Charleston--all from the 18th century and before, and am having trouble working in EVERYTHING I want to see and do, while keeping in mind teens and slower-going retirees. Any MUST SEE places? And if anyone wishes to join us, you don't need to have Huguenot connections. We'd love to have you. Right now, I am the main contact for the group, which means plans are pretty informal. Meaning, help, please? Yikes--I got the job by default... Looking forward to more suggestions... Elizabeth Patricia Kruger wrote: > > The Karpeles Manuscript Museum is a privately sponsored museum that houses > manuscripts . The collection rotates periodically. IT is open to the > public and free. It is not specific to Charleston manuscripts. >

The Charleston Museum 360 Meeting Street Charleston, SC 29403 (843) 722-2996 There is a website: http://www.charlestonmuseum.com However, it says nothing about their book and gift shop which is in the lobby of the museum. The only e-mail address I could find is for requesting membership: member@charlestonmuseum.com Let me know if you are interested in other addresses and phone numbers in preparation for your trip. I do have a Charleston telephone book, even though I live in Columbia. linda mhoose@sc.rr.com

The Karpeles Manuscript Museum is a privately sponsored museum that houses manuscripts . The collection rotates periodically. IT is open to the public and free. It is not specific to Charleston manuscripts. The HIstoric Charleston Foundation Shop is on Meeting Street, across from the SC Historical Society. Address would be about 102 Meeting Street or so. They will be doing house tours for the next month. You found the information on tickets for house tours from their web site, so I'd call that. It's all in the same building, I think (at least it used to be). Charleston Museum is at 360 Meeting STreet, across from the Visitor Center. phone 843 722 2996 ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Russo <elizabethrusso@home.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps > These are wonderful suggestions, and I'd love to have these maps. So, > how do I get them? > > I tried finding a street address for or ways to order books from the > Historic Charleston Foundation via their website at > http://www.historiccharleston.org/ > > I found interesting info on the foundation and its work, info about the > homes and gardens tour, and a sale on reproductions ad. But nothing > about books. How do I order? > > I couldn't bring up "This is Charleston" or "Birth of a City" via search > on Amazon, which normally give options for books no longer in print, > too. > > And a YAHOO search for "Charleston Museum" gave up several museums, but > none called the "Charleston Museum." There is one called Karpeles > Manuscript Library Charleston Museum located at 68 Spring Street > Charleston, South Carolina 29403--would that be it? > > When I get to Charleston in three weeks, I'd really like to put my hands > on these things, so..... suggestions? > > Thank you, > > Elizabeth >

These are wonderful suggestions, and I'd love to have these maps. So, how do I get them? I tried finding a street address for or ways to order books from the Historic Charleston Foundation via their website at http://www.historiccharleston.org/ I found interesting info on the foundation and its work, info about the homes and gardens tour, and a sale on reproductions ad. But nothing about books. How do I order? I couldn't bring up "This is Charleston" or "Birth of a City" via search on Amazon, which normally give options for books no longer in print, too. And a YAHOO search for "Charleston Museum" gave up several museums, but none called the "Charleston Museum." There is one called Karpeles Manuscript Library Charleston Museum located at 68 Spring Street Charleston, South Carolina 29403--would that be it? When I get to Charleston in three weeks, I'd really like to put my hands on these things, so..... suggestions? Thank you, Elizabeth Ken Daniell wrote: > > Since maps are being discussed: > The Historic Charleston Foundation has very reasonably priced reproductions of > city maps from several time periods including the 1704 Crisp map. > The Charleston Museum gift shop has a very cheap oversize book (I think the > title is Birth of a City) which includes several city maps including one which > overlays the very early city streets of the "Grand Modell" and a modern street > map. It is striking how much of the modern peninsula has been filled in and > streets extended. That particular map has been invaluable to me in matching up > the earliest deed records with the present city. > > A book titled This is Charleston (first printed 1944) is an architectural survey > with photos and addresses of buildings, some now destroyed. In the back are > several maps: one showing original creeks and marshes, one of a 1725 platt and > early plantation lines, one outlining historic suburbs, one showing > fortifications and marshes, another showing 19th century fires. Each of these > are imposed on a modern map, although the scale is small. > Happy Hunting, > Ken Daniell > > Patricia Kruger wrote: > > > A current map of Charleston will probably show you 75-80 % of the same > > streets. If you are talking peninsula Charleston, a few have been added in > > the early 1900s that would be primarily fill (e.g. Murray Boulevard), but > > most of the others remain the same. Some street names changed, but I think > > it was prior to 1850. An early map (i.e. 1788) is available at the Historic > > Charleston Foundation shop (and probably other museum shops in the city for > > about 5-10 dollars. It is a reproduction of a 1788 London fire company map > > and has been invaluable to me in looking at street names that changed in the > > interim (e.g Union St. became State Street today). Depending on the streets > > you are looking for, it might or might not help you. I'd start with a > > current (1990s) map for the late 1800s addresses you are seeking and if you > > can't find the streets there, then check one such as this older one. > > > > There are also Sanborn fire insurance maps from the early 1900s (and > > possibly late 1800s), that I know are available at the SC Historical > > Society, but are reference only. Be aware as you are searching that house > > numbers have changed several times in Charleston and there is no master > > list, so # 22 Hasell Street in 1860, for example, if not likely to be # 22 > > Hasell Street today. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <CJK1043@aol.com> > > To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps > > > > > Can any one tell me how I might be able to get a early Charleston map, > > > showing the Streets? After searching City Directories, I would like to be > > > able to see how close certain streets were to each other and ect. I would > > > like to have a copy of a map for Charleston Streets , around 1850 -1890 . > > > > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > > > South Carolina Historical Society > > > http://www.schistory.org > > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > > South Carolina Historical Society > > http://www.schistory.org > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577

A GREAT BIG THANK YOU, to all those who sent information in regards to: " Charleston City maps. You were a big help. THANKS

Since maps are being discussed: The Historic Charleston Foundation has very reasonably priced reproductions of city maps from several time periods including the 1704 Crisp map. The Charleston Museum gift shop has a very cheap oversize book (I think the title is Birth of a City) which includes several city maps including one which overlays the very early city streets of the "Grand Modell" and a modern street map. It is striking how much of the modern peninsula has been filled in and streets extended. That particular map has been invaluable to me in matching up the earliest deed records with the present city. A book titled This is Charleston (first printed 1944) is an architectural survey with photos and addresses of buildings, some now destroyed. In the back are several maps: one showing original creeks and marshes, one of a 1725 platt and early plantation lines, one outlining historic suburbs, one showing fortifications and marshes, another showing 19th century fires. Each of these are imposed on a modern map, although the scale is small. Happy Hunting, Ken Daniell Patricia Kruger wrote: > A current map of Charleston will probably show you 75-80 % of the same > streets. If you are talking peninsula Charleston, a few have been added in > the early 1900s that would be primarily fill (e.g. Murray Boulevard), but > most of the others remain the same. Some street names changed, but I think > it was prior to 1850. An early map (i.e. 1788) is available at the Historic > Charleston Foundation shop (and probably other museum shops in the city for > about 5-10 dollars. It is a reproduction of a 1788 London fire company map > and has been invaluable to me in looking at street names that changed in the > interim (e.g Union St. became State Street today). Depending on the streets > you are looking for, it might or might not help you. I'd start with a > current (1990s) map for the late 1800s addresses you are seeking and if you > can't find the streets there, then check one such as this older one. > > There are also Sanborn fire insurance maps from the early 1900s (and > possibly late 1800s), that I know are available at the SC Historical > Society, but are reference only. Be aware as you are searching that house > numbers have changed several times in Charleston and there is no master > list, so # 22 Hasell Street in 1860, for example, if not likely to be # 22 > Hasell Street today. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CJK1043@aol.com> > To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps > > > Can any one tell me how I might be able to get a early Charleston map, > > showing the Streets? After searching City Directories, I would like to be > > able to see how close certain streets were to each other and ect. I would > > like to have a copy of a map for Charleston Streets , around 1850 -1890 . > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > > South Carolina Historical Society > > http://www.schistory.org > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

i have several good map places that i like to use: <www.themapshop.com> The Map Shop, 5 East Coffee St, Greenville, SC 29601 864-271-6277 Carolina Maps By Mail 1101 Tuxedo Ct, Charlotte, NC 28211 704-366-9726 Galaxy Maps 800-388-6588 <www.galaxymaps.com> The Rare Map Collection at the Hargrett Library at the University of Georgia <www.libs.uga.edu/darchive/hargrett/maps/maps.html> The Panormaic Maps Collection, American Memory-The Library of Congress <http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/pmhtml/panhome.html> The Sanborn Map Co, Inc. <www.sanbornmap.com> a link at that site can also connect you with their parent company, Environmental Data Resources at <www.edrnet.com> South Carolina Historical Maps, Plats <www.sciway.net/hist/maps> An excellent Rootsweb site on South Carolina Places <www.scroots.org/places.html> i have every one of these bookmarked and play in each of these sites frequently. have fun. julie thames howell, jax, fla ps: if any of the site locations don't work, write back...it's not entirely unusual for my little fingers to type things wronglyish. Ü CJK1043@aol.com wrote: > Can any one tell me how I might be able to get a early Charleston map, > showing the Streets? After searching City Directories, I would like to be > able to see how close certain streets were to each other and ect. I would > like to have a copy of a map for Charleston Streets , around 1850 -1890 . > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Elizabeth: Good to hear from you. I have that Constantia (b. abt. 1745) who m. Robert Quash was the daughter of Thomas (b. 1718) and Alice Merritt who m. April 5/26, 1744. This Thomas was the brother of Constantia (b. 1721) who m. John Padget/Padgett/Pagett. On second thought, I'll send a few generations. If you have additions or corrections, please do let me know. My data goes back farther, but not sending unless you want. Edward Do you know what connection CONSTANTIA HASELL, b. abt. 1716 who married >JOHN PAGETT is to CONSTANTIA HASELL who married ROBERT QUASH in 1772? >And is the earlier CONSTANTIA HASELL the same one who married GEORGE >PADDON BOND? Do you have a date of marriage or any other info for the >latter? >>Elizabeth DuBois Russo Descendants of Edward (Sir) Hasell 1 Edward (Sir) Hasell b: November 27, 1642 England d: September 12, 1707 . +Dorothy Williams b: Bef. 1679 England m: November 24, 1696 His second wife. d: Aft. 1699 2 Thomas (Rev.) Hasell b: Bef. 1698 England d: November 09, 1744 .... +Elizabeth Ashby b: Bet. 1698 - 1699 S.C. m: January 21, 1714/15 Charleston, S.C. d: March 1745/46 ... 3 Thomas Jr. Hasell b: August 18, 1718 S.C. ....... +Alice Merritt b: Abt. 1720 m: April 26, 1744 (Apr. 5?) Charleston, S.C. ...... 4 Constantia Hasell b: Abt. 1745 .......... +Robert Quash b: November 19, 1740 S.C. m: May 17, 1772 S.C. ......... 5 Sarah Hasell Quash b: March 14, 1773 S.C. d: 1821 ............. +William Harleston b: Abt. 1772 m: March 31, 1794 ......... 5 Robert Hasell Quash b: Bet. 1774 - 1798 S.C. ............. +Hannah H. Harleston b: Bef. 1800 S.C. m: November 16, 1815 ... 3 Constantia Hasell b: April 01, 1721 S.C. ....... +John Padget b: January 05, 1715/16 St. Thomas & St. Denis Parish, S.C. m: Abt. 1740 d: Abt. November 27, 1747 (bur. Nov.29) St. Thomas & St. Denis Parish, S.C. ...... 4 John Padget b: Abt. 1741 d: Abt. October 12, 1744 (Bur. Oct.23) ...... 4 Elizabeth Padget b: 1742 d: 1771 .......... +Robert (Rev.) Smith b: 1732 m: July 09, 1758 d: Bet. 1800 - 1801 ......... 5 Robert Smith d: 1852 Charleston, S.C. ... *2nd Husband of Constantia Hasell: ....... +George Padden Bond b: October 31, 1719 m: Abt. 1748 ... 3 John Hasell b: February 25, 1722/23 S.C. d: 1752 ....... +Hannah Simons b: December 26, 1728 S.C. m: April 27, 1749 S.C. d: 1765 (Bef June) ...... 4 John Hasell b: 1750 ... 3 Elizabeth Hasell b: January 14, 1724/25 S.C. d: June 02, 1762 S.C. ....... +William Gibbes b: January 08, 1721/22 S.C. m: February 18, 1747/48 (Feb. 12?) St. Andrew's Parish, S.C. d: February 20, 1780 (1789?) Charleston, S.C. ...... 4 Ann Gibbes b: January 04, 1751/52 S.C. d: February 21, 1781 St. Thomas Parish, S.C. .......... +Edward Thomas b: Abt. 1750 S.C. m: September 27, 1767 Charleston, S.C. ......... 5 Edward Gibbes Thomas b: Aft. 1767 S.C. ............. +Emily Wakefield b: Bef. 1789 m: November 21, 1804 ......... 5 Elizabeth Thomas b: Abt. 1772 S.C. ............. +Francis Withers b: July 14, 1769 S.C. m: Aft. 1788 No issue. d: November 24, 1847 Charleston, S.C. ......... 5 Samuel (Dr.) Thomas b: Abt. 1775 S.C. d: of Georgetown, S.C. ............. +Mary Gaillard b: January 01, 1779 S.C. m: February 16, 1803 S.C. d: 1847 ...... 4 William Hasell Gibbes b: March 16, 1754 Charleston, S.C. d: February 13, 1834 Charleston, S.C. .......... +Elizabeth Frances Allston b: June 22, 1766 S.C. m: August 29, 1782 Santee, S.C. d: 1806 S.C. ......... 5 William Gibbes b: Abt. 1783 S.C. d: Abt. May 16, 1792 (Published May 18) Charleston, S.C. ......... 5 Elizabeth Allston Gibbes b: December 15, 1787 Charleston, S.C. d: May 14, 1853 Downington, Pa. ............. +John (Maj.) Wilson b: March 09, 1789 Scotland m: January 22, 1811 Charleston, S.C. d: February 27, 1833 Cuba ......... 5 Allston Wilson Gibbes b: February 14, 1793 S.C. d: July 21, 1822 ............. +Sarah Maxwell Chisolm b: July 22, 1792 m: December 31, 1819 (1818?) Charleston, S.C. d: July 08, 1820 ......... 5 Washington Gibbes b: January 31, 1795 d: July 10, 1816 ......... 5 Henry (Rev.) Gibbes b: March 19, 1797 S.C. d: May 24, 1833 Charleston, S.C. ............. +Ann Isabella Mayrant b: Abt. 1799 Statesburg, S.C. m: May 15, 1820 Charleston, S.C. d: June 07, 1831 (1832?) Pineville, S.C. ......... 5 William Hasell Gibbes b: June 08, 1798 ............. +Unknown (Wid.) Rudolph b: Abt. 1800 ......... 5 Edwin Gibbes b: October 07, 1799 d: June 24, 1831 Charleston, S.C. ............. +Caroline S. Thayer b: Bef. 1806 m: November 30, 1821 Charleston, S.C. ......... 5 Sarah Postell Gibbes b: November 15, 1804 d: 1862 ............. +W. Heins b: Abt. 1802 ...... *2nd Wife of William Hasell Gibbes: .......... +Mary Phillip Wilson b: June 04, 1772 Charleston, S.C. m: January 21, 1808 Charleston, S.C. d: April 21, 1844 Columbia, S.C. ......... 5 Robert Wilson (Dr.) Gibbes b: July 08, 1809 Charleston, S.C. d: October 15, 1866 Columbia, S.C. ............. +Caroline Elizabeth Guignard b: April 14, 1811 Columbia, S.C. m: December 20, 1827 Columbia, S.C. d: February 01, 1865 Columbia, S.C. ......... 5 Ann Isabel Gibbes b: March 13, 1811 d: February 13, 1847 ............. +Thomas Howe b: Bef. 1812 m: June 25, 1829 Charleston, S.C. d: Bef. 1837 ......... *2nd Husband of Ann Isabel Gibbes: ............. +James Mazyck Wilson b: July 21, 1814 Charleston, S.C. m: March 07, 1837 Charleston, S.C. d: October 13, 1887 (Oct. 20?) Charleston, S.C. ......... 5 Samuel Wilson Gibbes b: December 16, 1812 d: October 20, 1839 ............. +Eleanor C. Banks b: Bef. 1822 m: January 10, 1837 S.C. ......... 5 James Wilson Gibbes b: August 22, 1814 d: January 18, 1846 Columbia, S.C. ............. +Susan Poinsett Guignard b: December 09, 1816 Columbia, S.C. m: June 04, 1835 Columbia, S.C. d: March 12, 1873 Columbia, S.C. ...... 4 Elizabeth Gibbes b: July 22, 1756 S.C. d: 1838 .......... +Charles (Shepheard?) Shepard b: Abt. 1754 m: August 27, 1775 (Sep. 1?) Charleston, S.C. d: 1779 Savannah, Ga. ...... *2nd Husband of Elizabeth Gibbes: .......... +Samuel Hunt b: Abt. 1754 Of Boston, Mass. m: Aft. 1779 ...... 4 Mary Gibbes b: January 09, 1758 d: 1833 .......... +William Charles Warham b: Abt. 1756 m: June 11, 1784 (jun 24?) Charleston, S.C. ... 3 Andrew Hasell b: March 22, 1728/29 S.C. d: September 11, 1763 ....... +Sarah Wigfall b: July 04, 1730 S.C. m: March 28, 1751 St. Thomas Parish, S.C. ...... 4 Andrew Hasell b: October 01, 1755 S.C. d: October 11, 1789 .......... +Mary Milner b: 1760 m: October 15, 1778 St. Thomas Parish, S.C. d: 1784 ......... 5 George Padden Bond Hasell b: October 13, 1781 S.C. d: November 25, 1818 ............. +Penelope Bentley b: 1782 Scotland m: September 20, 1802 Scotland d: July 23, 1809 Edinburgh, Scotland. ......... 5 Andrew (Maj.) Hasell b: Abt. 1780 d: Bef. March 10, 1853 ............. +Hannah Cochran Ash b: Bef. 1794 m: February 20, 1810 ... 3 Hannah Hasell b: July 19, 1732 d: Bef. 1765 ....... +Rene' Peyre b: Abt. 1730 m: December 09, 1753 S.C. ... 3 Mary Hasell b: July 29, 1734 S.C. d: 1768 ....... +Christopher O. (Gen.) Gadsden b: February 16, 1723/24 Charleston, S.C. m: December 29, 1759 (1755?) Charleston, S.C. d: August 28, 1805 (due to a fall ,age 81) Charleston, S.C. ...... 4 Philip Gadsden b: October 11, 1761 .......... +Catherine Edwards b: Abt. 1766 m: November 12, 1783 (Nov. 19/20?) Charleston, S.C. d: 1814 ......... 5 Christopher Edwards (Rev.) Gadsden b: 1785 S.C. d: 1852 ............. +Mary Sydney Ashe b: Bef. 1795 m: February 20, 1810 ......... *2nd Wife of Christopher Edwards (Rev.) Gadsden: ............. +Eliza Allston Bowman b: Bef. 1800 m: October 05, 1816 ......... *3rd Wife of Christopher Edwards (Rev.) Gadsden: ............. +Jane Dewees b: Abt. 1800 m: February 11, 1830 ......... 5 John Gadsden b: March 04, 1787 S.C. d: January 24, 1831 ............. +Ann Margaret Edwards b: Bef. 1802 m: April 28, 1818 ......... 5 James Gadsden b: 1788 S.C. d: 1858 ............. +Susan Hort ......... 5 Mary Edwards Gadsden b: June 25, 1791 S.C. d: October 19, 1819 ............. +[1] James Fisher Edwards b: 1787 m: May 30, 1816 d: 1844 ......... 5 Elizabeth Gadsden b: 1792 S.C. ......... 5 Catherine Edwards Gadsden b: 1793 S.C. ......... 5 Rebecca Harriet Gadsden b: 1795 S.C. d: 1833 ............. +[1] James Fisher Edwards b: 1787 m: 1819 d: 1844 ......... 5 Thomas Fisher Gadsden b: 1796 S.C. ......... 5 Philip (Rev.) Gadsden b: 1798 S.C. ............. +Susan Branford Hamilton b: February 26, 1801 m: 1831 d: April 18, 1867 ......... 5 Margaret Gadsden b: 1800 S.C. ......... 5 Anna Gadsden b: 1801 S.C. ......... 5 Elizabeth Esther Gadsden b: 1804 S.C. ......... 5 Fisher Gadsden b: 1805 S.C. ............. +Laura Washington Michau - Axson b: Bet. 1806 - 1807 ......... 5 Alexander Edwards (Dr.) Gadsden b: April 29, 1807 Charleston, S.C. d: August 20, 1864 ............. +Mary Gibbes b: Abt. 1810 ......... *2nd Wife of Alexander Edwards (Dr.) Gadsden: ............. +Mary Wakefield Edwards b: Bef. 1816 m: November 08, 1831 May beJan. 8. ......... *3rd Wife of Alexander Edwards (Dr.) Gadsden: ............. +Mary Ann Girardeau Axson b: March 06, 1798 Charleston, S.C. m: January 07, 1842 Charleston, S.C. d: April 1821 ......... 5 Octavius Holmes Gadsden b: 1809 S.C. ............. +Marianne Porcher Prioleau b: Abt. 1811 ...... 4 Mary Hasell Gadsden b: Abt. 1762 .......... +Joseph Hansbrough b: Abt. 1760 ......... 5 Mary Hansbrough b: 1795 ............. +Mordecai Roles b: Abt. 1793 m: Monroe Co. (Va.) W.Va. ...... *2nd Husband of Mary Hasell Gadsden: .......... +Thomas Morris b: Bef. 1770 m: July 26, 1787 ... 3 Ann Hasell b: March 09, 1735/36 ....... +Samuel Thomas b: Abt. 1734 m: July 24, 1757 S.C.?

FYI for listers - King Street was often referred to as "The Broad Path" in the earliest times of the city of Charleston. You'll see this in very old deeds. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Russo <elizabethrusso@home.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps > Just one thing, though. Do not forget that house numbers changed over > the years. So you need to check that the house number you have is the > same as the current one. > > I thought it strange that my ggggrandfather's address moved down the > street three times until someone explained either on this list or > SCROOTS about how houses were re-numbered over the years as new places > were constructed. One ancestor's early land description says "up the > path" from the Bay; then it evolves into a description giving "bounded > by" the various neighbors' names; then it becomes "bounded on the North > by" whatever street, etc.; then the property was known as "Orange > Garden"; then it was sold off and subdivided with Orange Street going > down the middle of it; then houses became numbered, then renumbered. > > The evolution of property is fascinating, but it takes some time and > effort tracing the records from abstracts. This is why I'd prefer to go > from original indexes and records. But I know the fragile condition of > records is such that this is just not always possible. > > This is another reason why I, too, am looking for maps. But I'm mainly > looking for the land records, especially those with plat maps. > > Elizabeth > > Crckrsuze@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi, Just a little info. Most of the streets that are listed in the city > > directory are still in the same place they were in the early days. Just look > > on a current city map, most available at AAA or online and search for the > > name. I had no problem finding where my great, great grandparents lived and > > in fact, the house is still there. > > Jean > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > > South Carolina Historical Society > > http://www.schistory.org > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577 >

Yes, 528 King and 548 King at different times might be the same building. (I've even seen odd and even numbers change and it was supposedly the same house - or people were moving back and forth across the street every year!) ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJK1043@aol.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps > So 528 King and 548 King could be the same ??? > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org >

A current map of Charleston will probably show you 75-80 % of the same streets. If you are talking peninsula Charleston, a few have been added in the early 1900s that would be primarily fill (e.g. Murray Boulevard), but most of the others remain the same. Some street names changed, but I think it was prior to 1850. An early map (i.e. 1788) is available at the Historic Charleston Foundation shop (and probably other museum shops in the city for about 5-10 dollars. It is a reproduction of a 1788 London fire company map and has been invaluable to me in looking at street names that changed in the interim (e.g Union St. became State Street today). Depending on the streets you are looking for, it might or might not help you. I'd start with a current (1990s) map for the late 1800s addresses you are seeking and if you can't find the streets there, then check one such as this older one. There are also Sanborn fire insurance maps from the early 1900s (and possibly late 1800s), that I know are available at the SC Historical Society, but are reference only. Be aware as you are searching that house numbers have changed several times in Charleston and there is no master list, so # 22 Hasell Street in 1860, for example, if not likely to be # 22 Hasell Street today. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CJK1043@aol.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] CHARLESTON CITY Maps > Can any one tell me how I might be able to get a early Charleston map, > showing the Streets? After searching City Directories, I would like to be > able to see how close certain streets were to each other and ect. I would > like to have a copy of a map for Charleston Streets , around 1850 -1890 . > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org >