hi all - i think it's funny, all of the folks who had ancestors who lived on st. phillip street. my 2G grandfather, john elliott thames, lived at 123 st. phillip street.

The first successfull attack (excpet the sub was also lost with her crew). The first attack was in the American Revolution. A wood sub called the Turtle attacked a British Ship, I think in Boston Harbor. It was unable to attach the charge and pulled away. Later burned to keep from falling into Brut hands. From: MErwin114@aol.com Reply-To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCCHARLE] Civil War "Submarine" Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:49:16 EDT Hello List Through AOL News Page Links, I traveled to a very interesting web site on the Charleston Civil War "Submarine" Hunley. This site has history of construction, testing and battle - apparently the very FIRST submarine attack - and right outside of Charleston !! Efforts are now underway to raise the ship and preserve it at the Charleston Museum. Here tis. http://www.hunley.org Mary Erwin ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

In a message dated 05/09/2000 12:20:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dkortenk@uwsp.edu writes: << I'm not famliar with "The SCHIRMER Diaries." I doubt they relate to Simon SCHERMER, whose name was never written as SCHIRMER. He emigrated from Holland about 1835 to Charleston and later started an import-export business. >> Greetins from SC. Oh well, it was just a thought... since they were written by a Charlestonian in the 1800's... URQ

Hello List Through AOL News Page Links, I traveled to a very interesting web site on the Charleston Civil War "Submarine" Hunley. This site has history of construction, testing and battle - apparently the very FIRST submarine attack - and right outside of Charleston !! Efforts are now underway to raise the ship and preserve it at the Charleston Museum. Here tis. http://www.hunley.org Mary Erwin

In a message dated 05/09/2000 10:16:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dkortenk@uwsp.edu writes: << My gg-grandfather, Simon SCHERMER, #54 Saint Philip St., also died in 1854 (exact date and cause unknown). >> Greetings from SC. Are you familiar with "The SCHIRMER Diaries?" If not, it might be a possible source of info for you. URQ

> From: URQ5@aol.com [mailto:URQ5@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 11:07 AM > > In a message dated 05/09/2000 10:16:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > dkortenk@uwsp.edu writes: > > << My gg-grandfather, Simon SCHERMER, #54 Saint Philip St., > also died in 1854 > (exact date and cause unknown). >> > > Greetings from SC. Are you familiar with "The SCHIRMER > Diaries?" If not, it > might be a possible source of info for you. > URQ Greetings from Wisconsin. I'm not famliar with "The SCHIRMER Diaries." I doubt they relate to Simon SCHERMER, whose name was never written as SCHIRMER. He emigrated from Holland about 1835 to Charleston and later started an import-export business. I have traced his ancestry to Adriaan J. SCHERMER, born about 1630 in Holland. Thanks for writing. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu Dept. of Psychology University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm

From: Ken Daniell [mailto:daniellk@bellsouth.net] Monday, May 08, 2000 9:35 PM > > Daniel, > I checked in The Buildings of Charleston by Jonathan H. > Poston. There was no > mention of #44 or #57 St. Philip Street but you might be > interested in some of > SNIP > If #54 was demolished in 1949 there might be old photographs > of it (perhaps at > Charleston College) and you might be able to at least see its > footprint in the > old fire insurance maps at the South Carolina Historical Society. > Ken > Ken, Thanks for the Poston reference and all your research. It will come in handy if I ever visit Charleston. I did write the College of Charleston in 1995. William Finley, Special Collections Librarian, was not able to find a picture of the house at #54 Saint Philip St. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu Dept. of Psychology University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm

My gg-grandfather, Simon SCHERMER, #54 Saint Philip St., also died in 1854 (exact date and cause unknown). He was a wealthy importer-exporter, only 50 years old. His widow and two children then moved to Iowa to escape "the unbearable heat and dangerous fevers" of Charleston. If someone has: King, Susan S. (2000). Roman Catholic Deaths in Charleston, South Carolina, 1800-1860. could they please look for Simon SCHERMER's name. He was Catholic. Thanks. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu Dept. of Psychology University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm > From: Tony and Julie Howell [mailto:tjhowell@bellsouth.net] Monday, May 08, 2000 7:26 PM > > hi everyone - i have a note on one of my family members, charles > elliott thames, that he was born on Dec 27, 1849 in Charleston, SC and > died on Oct 14, 1854 in Charleston "of the prevailing epidemic". > > could anyone tell me exactly what the "prevailing epidemic" > was that he > died from? > > thanks, > julie thames howell, jax, fla >

Elizabeth; My Brown ancestors also lived at 22 St. Philips St! They lived there in 1806 and 1807. Bill Nell Elizabeth Russo wrote: > As productive as my trip to Charleston was, I am still kicking myself > for not getting out a little more while I was there. That is, out away > from researching. This was due in part to the fact that, being a social > creature, I was hoping for fellow wanderers to go along. The gang that > showed up for the reunion, however, were fellow hardcore researchers. > Most had "been there, done that" in the sightseeing department in past > visits to Charleston. > > But here is a lesson I learned the hard way. Before the trip, I had > posted some queries about locating my ancestors' exact places of living > and business. I had gotten some promising leads from the Charleston > City Directories which gave the street addresses for several of my > surnames, including my 6X grandfather, PETER DUBOIS, who was listed one > year as living at 22 St. Philips, and another year at 28 St. Philips. I > posted queries to a couple of lists to see if anyone knew if houses > still existed on this location, and also to find out why he might have > moved a couple of doors away. I learned that as new houses were built, > other buildings continually were renumbered, so the references I had for > c. 1801 and 1802 may not have been what they are today. And the > addresses were probably the same place. > > I spent hours on the net and at the SC Historical Society trying to > determine EXACTLY where this house was/is. I compared census records > for various years. I questioned one of my research gurus, Peter > Wilkerson of the Historical Society. On and on. I also did a Map Quest > printout to pinpoint the address today. > > Well, the evening of our reunion's genealogy swap meet and greet, I had > the need to go to Kinko's to copy a rather large map. The address for > Kinko's was St. Philips Street. Finally, I would have the chance to > look for PETER DUBOIS' house. > > In the 30 minutes it took us to find Kinko's [don't ask] we circled > continually in the target neighborhood. The twenty-something block of > St. Philips simply does not have posted building numbers. > > Not that it mattered. > > For the entire block consisted of parking garages and college buildings > for the College of Charleston, with not a colonial or antebellum era > building in sight. > > Hours of obsessive searching instantly down the drain. Lesson: get out > of the library once in a while; see the sights; drink in the history and > the atmosphere first hand. I didn't need to go all the way to > Charleston to just sit in libraries. Next trip, I'll know better. I > hope... > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Another 'MUST' for South Carolina genealogical research > South Carolina Department of Archives and History > http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/

Daniel, I checked in The Buildings of Charleston by Jonathan H. Poston. There was no mention of #44 or #57 St. Philip Street but you might be interested in some of the other entries which could give you an idea of what the neighborhood looked like in the 1840s and 50s. They also demonstrate another notable aspect of Charleston - just because a house isn't at its old address doesn't necessarily mean it no longer exists. #15, 17, & 19 St. Philip Street were built by John S. Riggs 1859-60 along with #88-90 Wentworth St. as rental units. #25 St. Philip Street was built by James Denton circa 1798. There have been Victorian changes and it was moved to #26 Coming Street in 1977. #34 St. Philip Street was built by Baisle Lanneau, probably between 1782 and 1787, and moved in 1977 by the Preservation Society to #2 Pitt Street. If #54 was demolished in 1949 there might be old photographs of it (perhaps at Charleston College) and you might be able to at least see its footprint in the old fire insurance maps at the South Carolina Historical Society. Ken Kortenkamp, Daniel wrote: > Elizabeth, > > You mention searching for your ancestor's home on Saint Philip St. My > gg-grandfather, Simon SCHERMER, bought the house at #54 on the east side of > Saint Philip St. in 1847. I was told by the College of Charleston that it > was demolished about 1949, and the Simons Fine Arts Center is now at this > location. Following is a message I received from my son last year: > > "Dad, I made it to Charleston College and went by #54 Saint Philip Street. > The Simons Center for the Fine Arts is there now, just like you said. But, > there is an old historic house right next to it, last one on the campus > as far as I could see. This house says "Dean of Fine Arts" out front and > the address it #44. It is a simple two story house in the same style as > most of the other simple ones in the city from that age. The building > style is a result of the taxes imposed on dwellings, which were based on > the street-front length of the house and the number of doors opening > directly > to the street. As a result, most houses are only one room wide but go > back two rooms deep (away from the street). They have a name like "1 by 2" > or something like that. Also, none of them have doors opening to the street > because of the extra tax. Instead, they have porches, usually a double > decker porch, on the windward side of the house, facing the direction to the > harbor. The entrance door is off of this porch. After the door tax was > abolished some people put doors on the street side of their porches. These > houses look strange, with big fancy doors leading to their porches from the > street. Anyhow, the dean either lives or works in one of these old houses, > colored gray, at #44 Saint Phillip Street. > > Hope this helps a little, Elizabeth. And, thanks for sharing all your > Charleston researching experiences. > > Daniel > > Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu > Dept. of Psychology > University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 > Stevens Point, WI 54481 > http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elizabeth Russo [mailto:elizabethrusso@home.com] Friday, May 05, > 2000 9:17 PM > > > > As productive as my trip to Charleston was, I am still kicking myself > > SNIP > > > But here is a lesson I learned the hard way. Before the trip, I had > > posted some queries about locating my ancestors' exact places > > of living > > and business. I had gotten some promising leads from the Charleston > > City Directories which gave the street addresses for several of my > > surnames, including my 6X grandfather, PETER DUBOIS, who was > > listed one > > year as living at 22 St. Philips, and another year at 28 St. > > Philips. > > SNIP > > > For the entire block consisted of parking garages and college > > buildings > > for the College of Charleston, with not a colonial or antebellum era > > building in sight. > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

hi jean - thanks! that sure sounds like what i'm looking for. i appreciate the information, and the book reference. thanks again. julie thames howell, jax, fla Crckrsuze@aol.com wrote: > Hi! > According to the book, Charleston, Charleston, by Walter Fraser, Jr. There > was a hurricane during the summer of 1854, and following there was "a > virulent epedemic" of yellow fever brought on my the mosquitoes from the > hurricane. From "mid-August to mid-November 627 persons died." > Hope this is what you are looking for. > Jean > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Hi! According to the book, Charleston, Charleston, by Walter Fraser, Jr. There was a hurricane during the summer of 1854, and following there was "a virulent epedemic" of yellow fever brought on my the mosquitoes from the hurricane. From "mid-August to mid-November 627 persons died." Hope this is what you are looking for. Jean

hi everyone - i have a note on one of my family members, charles elliott thames, that he was born on Dec 27, 1849 in Charleston, SC and died on Oct 14, 1854 in Charleston "of the prevailing epidemic". could anyone tell me exactly what the "prevailing epidemic" was that he died from? thanks, julie thames howell, jax, fla

Elizabeth, You mention searching for your ancestor's home on Saint Philip St. My gg-grandfather, Simon SCHERMER, bought the house at #54 on the east side of Saint Philip St. in 1847. I was told by the College of Charleston that it was demolished about 1949, and the Simons Fine Arts Center is now at this location. Following is a message I received from my son last year: "Dad, I made it to Charleston College and went by #54 Saint Philip Street. The Simons Center for the Fine Arts is there now, just like you said. But, there is an old historic house right next to it, last one on the campus as far as I could see. This house says "Dean of Fine Arts" out front and the address it #44. It is a simple two story house in the same style as most of the other simple ones in the city from that age. The building style is a result of the taxes imposed on dwellings, which were based on the street-front length of the house and the number of doors opening directly to the street. As a result, most houses are only one room wide but go back two rooms deep (away from the street). They have a name like "1 by 2" or something like that. Also, none of them have doors opening to the street because of the extra tax. Instead, they have porches, usually a double decker porch, on the windward side of the house, facing the direction to the harbor. The entrance door is off of this porch. After the door tax was abolished some people put doors on the street side of their porches. These houses look strange, with big fancy doors leading to their porches from the street. Anyhow, the dean either lives or works in one of these old houses, colored gray, at #44 Saint Phillip Street. Hope this helps a little, Elizabeth. And, thanks for sharing all your Charleston researching experiences. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu Dept. of Psychology University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Russo [mailto:elizabethrusso@home.com] Friday, May 05, 2000 9:17 PM > > As productive as my trip to Charleston was, I am still kicking myself > SNIP > But here is a lesson I learned the hard way. Before the trip, I had > posted some queries about locating my ancestors' exact places > of living > and business. I had gotten some promising leads from the Charleston > City Directories which gave the street addresses for several of my > surnames, including my 6X grandfather, PETER DUBOIS, who was > listed one > year as living at 22 St. Philips, and another year at 28 St. > Philips. > SNIP > For the entire block consisted of parking garages and college > buildings > for the College of Charleston, with not a colonial or antebellum era > building in sight. > >

As productive as my trip to Charleston was, I am still kicking myself for not getting out a little more while I was there. That is, out away from researching. This was due in part to the fact that, being a social creature, I was hoping for fellow wanderers to go along. The gang that showed up for the reunion, however, were fellow hardcore researchers. Most had "been there, done that" in the sightseeing department in past visits to Charleston. But here is a lesson I learned the hard way. Before the trip, I had posted some queries about locating my ancestors' exact places of living and business. I had gotten some promising leads from the Charleston City Directories which gave the street addresses for several of my surnames, including my 6X grandfather, PETER DUBOIS, who was listed one year as living at 22 St. Philips, and another year at 28 St. Philips. I posted queries to a couple of lists to see if anyone knew if houses still existed on this location, and also to find out why he might have moved a couple of doors away. I learned that as new houses were built, other buildings continually were renumbered, so the references I had for c. 1801 and 1802 may not have been what they are today. And the addresses were probably the same place. I spent hours on the net and at the SC Historical Society trying to determine EXACTLY where this house was/is. I compared census records for various years. I questioned one of my research gurus, Peter Wilkerson of the Historical Society. On and on. I also did a Map Quest printout to pinpoint the address today. Well, the evening of our reunion's genealogy swap meet and greet, I had the need to go to Kinko's to copy a rather large map. The address for Kinko's was St. Philips Street. Finally, I would have the chance to look for PETER DUBOIS' house. In the 30 minutes it took us to find Kinko's [don't ask] we circled continually in the target neighborhood. The twenty-something block of St. Philips simply does not have posted building numbers. Not that it mattered. For the entire block consisted of parking garages and college buildings for the College of Charleston, with not a colonial or antebellum era building in sight. Hours of obsessive searching instantly down the drain. Lesson: get out of the library once in a while; see the sights; drink in the history and the atmosphere first hand. I didn't need to go all the way to Charleston to just sit in libraries. Next trip, I'll know better. I hope...

Researching the South Carolina Gazette at the Charleston County Public Library One of my top two delightful research finds consisted of the various newspaper articles and clippings from the South Carolina Gazette from the 1730s to the 1760s time period. This newspaper typically was four pages in length, with an occasional advertising supplement. Included were a lead story, often dealing with the British government, trade, business, shipping, etc. Also usually included were little snippets from various world cities; the weather; prices of various commodities; shipping news [such as what ship had been cleared to depart, etc.]; local news; and public notices and ads. The latter category takes up most of each issue, and from these notices and ads you can glean deaths, financial matters, slave information, and a lot about everyday life. I was so taken with these newspaper clippings that I scrapped nearly all of my other research in favor of looking up and copying the ads. The SC Gazette is on microfilm for the years 1732 [partial] to 1768, and I found that viewing and copying them at the Charleston county Public Library was a relatively easy task. I say "relatively" because microfilm viewing is not my idea of a fun way to spend the day. It is hard on the eyes, back, rear end, and patience. And there is no way I would have forayed into this avenue of research without one very good finding aid: the Early South Carolina Newspaper database reports. The following comes from one of their web pages: "The early South Carolina newspapers began publication in Charleston in 1732, with the introduction of the South Carolina Gazette newspaper. This and other early South Carolina newspapers are found on microfilm at many libraries across the United States and are known to hold a treasure chest of information for persons interested in Genealogy and/or Colonial & Early American History related subjects. "ESCN Database Reports (ISSN 1082-6637) is an ongoing series of reference books that provide quick reference indexing of data found in the local news and advertisement sections of these early South Carolina newspapers. The ESCN Database Reports company also offers a Surname Search of its database records to the general public on a small search fee basis." The home page for this organization is: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/escn_database_reports/ The books mentioned above were in both the Charleston County Public Library, and the South Carolina Historical Society. Not knowing that these facilities had the books above available, I opted for the surname search service which the company offers. My first request was submitted to them in January, and because it looked promising, I submitted a second request for more surnames in March. Thus, I knew before I landed in Charleston what I'd be looking for. Although it cost me some bucks [see their fee schedule at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/escn_database_reports/srch_fee.htm], I am nonetheless glad I did it this way. For persons on a shoestring who have more time to spend, go with the books. Had I gone to this page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/escn_database_reports/library.htm I would have noticed that the ESCN books are at the Yale library, about an hour and a half from me. They list many other libraries; not surprisingly, most are in South Carolina. And had I gone here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/escn_database_reports/hold1.htm I would have noticed that microfilms of the newspapers are available at two libraries in Connecticut. Maybe I could have spent more time anywhere in Charleston but in libraries. At least I now know that I can continue my viewing on a rainy Saturday. For the five surnames I requested from the service, I received from 15 to over 1000 "hits" for each. The listing includes the name, occupation if known, residence if known, date, and subjects. I found the mini-abstracts fairly accurate and informative, and helped me choose which articles to examine and copy first. The main drawback is that you get ALL the listings for that surname so that if you have a common surname, or if one person with that surname advertises heavily [SAMUEL CARNE, for example, advertised every week for years], you might end up with hundreds or thousands of listings for someone not related to you. I took the database printouts--which I received via mail within a couple of weeks of mailing my request and check--and sorted out some of my "most wanted" articles. Sometimes it was easy to rule out the ones I probably wouldn't need, such as the same ad being published week after week. I aimed mostly for the notices or ads that mentioned estate sales and the like, and also included some spicier items like a couple of articles on piracy and the jailbreak of one ABRAHAM DUBOIR. After many hours of viewing and copying from the microfilm, I probably ended up with around 50 copies. Hmmmm, only 950 [give or take 100] to go... There were a couple of articles I couldn't find, and a very rare mistranscription, but overall my success with this method was such that I scrapped all other research and a lot of sight-seeing in order to get these articles. [Never did make it to a single house or garden tour; had to make do with a carriage ride as the sum total of my sight-seeing experiences--not counting the inadvertent "tours" of a couple of places while engaged in a couple of wild goose chases.] For anyone with ancestors living in the Charleston area during the mid-1700s, I STRONGLY recommend going this route in your research. Now for the disclaimers--I had never heard of ESCN before a couple of months ago; I do not know anyone associated with it, and I have no connections with it other than as a paying, happy customer. I only hope they revise their searches to be able to narrow it down to given names as well as surnames. And I hope they keep on transcribing on into later years [the database only covers something like thirty years, at least for my surnames.] Also, although they appear to have several newspapers within their database, I only got hits from the SC Gazette. [To be continued...]

I am a frequent visitor to Charleston, my sister lives there and her daughter manages one of the carriage companies. Treat your self to a carriage ride, then visit Magnolia Cemetery. Genealogists with South Carolina roots might find a long lost relative in Magnolia or its adjacent cemeteries. Try to visit when the office is open, I found some of my Phillips ancestors on my last visit. There is a National Veterans Cemetary in Beaufort, where many of the Civil War soldiers who were sent to Hilton Head are buried. Who knows, you may strike pure gold! Give my regards to Charleston, I'll be there in July. Frances Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Russo" <elizabethrusso@home.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: [SCCHARLE] Researching in Charleston, Part III > Researching at the Charleston County Public Library > > When asking folks on various lists about their favorite Charleston > research places, nearly everyone had the Charleston County Public > Library on Calhoun Street at or near the top of their list. > > It is easy to see why. > > This facility, which is relatively newly built, clearly had researchers > such as our group in mind. With a few minor improvements, it ranks up > there in some of my all-time favorite spots. > > But first, I should point out that the three places where I researched > in Charleston--the Huguenot Society, the SC Historical Society, and the > Public Library--were each excellent in its own way, and the utility of > each of course really depends upon the type of research you need to do. > > But for comfort, cost, hours, and user-friendliness, it is hard to beat > the Charleston County Public Library. > > I did not ask for nor search for any information on any manuscript or > rare documents that this library might have, so I cannot comment on this > area. But I would imagine that the other two facilities are more the > type to have such documents, and for me, I had more than enough to do at > the Public Library before even considering digging any deeper. > > My research at the Charleston County Public Library concentrated on > three areas: The wills and will index to the WPA wills; the > genealogical books on some of the families I was researching; and the > early newspaper microfilms. > > As to the wills and will index, I was very fortunate to have a couple > of people email me with volume and page numbers for my various surnames > ahead of time. One MOUZON cousin, Betty Dunn, keeps me supplied with > such data and more. Now if YOU have a "cousin Betty" equivalent, don't > turn down those generous lookup offers. I was also amazed at the help > offered to me from the generous listers. Most useful in the will > research project was cutting and pasting the volume and page numbers and > names to one of my handy charts mentioned in Part Two. These charts > were then printed out [but also saved to my laptop's hard drive] for > quick and easy use. > > --------- > --------- SKIP TO THE NEXT DOUBLE LINES IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ABOUT > MY MOM... > > I need to mention here that my mother, ELEANOR DUBOIS [normally I'd say > "Hi, Mom" but her computer has crashed once again and she is not > receiving email at the moment] was enticed [some would say coerced] into > meeting me in Charleston for this research extravaganza. As the senior > most member of our intrepid group [lets just say the phrase "four score" > has a certain ring of familiarity to her] she was a copying fool for her > demanding daughter. Mom came up from Florida knowing that I'd be > researching my father's side of the family. Mom knows how insanely and > obsessively I've been researching my Dad's [HUBERT LEE DUBOIS, decd.] > DUBOIS, MOUZON, JUIN, SLATON, HARRIS, CARNE, HUTCHINSON, STARK, etc. > side of the family, and has been just a little put out that I haven't > been equally insanely hunting her FARRIS, WARFORD, THOMPSON, DICKSON, > etc. families. I mention all of this so that folks will understand the > supreme sacrifice of being a copy slave on families that are of little > interest to you. Moral of story: PAY YOUR COPY SLAVES WELL. Or > flatter them endlessly. Or, as happened here, pray to God that other > genealogists play bridge during off-hours so that your copy slave who is > also a bridge nut gets really, really giggly and thinks about what a > great time they're having... > --------- > --------- END OF MOM STORY. FOR NOW. > > So what does one do with a chart that has will volume and page numbers? > One gives the chart to one's COPY SLAVE, or COPY FOOL [choose your > term. Mine chose to be called COPY SLAVE. Political correctness > police, call my lawyer.] The COPY SLAVE goes to the corner of the large > South Carolina Room where the will books are neatly shelved next to the > one table in the room. > > ------- Skip to the next double lines if you don't want to hear a > gripe. > ------- > Okay, here goes suggested improvement number one: The South Carolina > Room--set aside on the top floor of the library--sorely needs more than > one large table. They have study carrels with outlets for laptops, and > they have a nice little seating area for what? Some little group of > readers that never appeared? But they have only one large table and for > people like me who travel with hundreds of pages, a laptop, books, and > more--and there were several of us-types--one table is not enough. > There were several tables just outside of the South Carolina room, but > you have to go through security doors, away from precious genealogy > books, to get there. Hopefully, they will move or acquire some more > tables in the near future. > > ------ > ------ END OF GRIPE. > > Anyway, the COPY SLAVE can quickly take down the volume in question and > move over to the copier for copying said will[s]. Now, my COPY SLAVE > was so efficient and generous that I myself never had to lift a finger > to make a single copy at this facility, but I did overhear this: > > ----- > ----- Another gripe. > Only one copier in the genealogy room?? Surely you jest. There are > other copiers just outside of said room, but you have to go through > aforementioned security doors and listen to that beeeeepppp as you go > through the doors to try and copy elsewhere. > > And while we're on the subject, I realize I'm quite spoiled by > Washington, DC and Virginia facilities where copy cards are "de riguer" > but to make this library truly state of the art, or at least on my top > five list, the copiers need to self-multiply and have working change > machines, if not copy cards. > > Anyway, imagine various COPY SLAVES and their masters all chompin' at > the bit right before closing with their massive volumes of things they > MUST copy because they are, after all, from out of state and may never > be able to come back again. Imagine, then, one copier. Well, think mud > wrestling. Think drag racing. Think killer instinct. It ain't pretty. > > Folks, move another copier in there. > > -------- > ------- End of gripe. > > The good, actually great, news: copies are ONLY TEN CENTS. Another big > reason why this facility was a fave among us heavy-duty copy types. On > a typical research trip, I make several hundred copies per day, and this > was no exception. Ten cent copy places are near and dear to my > penny-pinching heart. > > Okay, what with all the gripes and asides, looks like this will have to > go to PART IV... > > To be continued... > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org > >

Researching at the Charleston County Public Library, cont. Before I go off on unpredictable and maddening tangents again [my staff will gladly accept sympathy cards], let me point out the URL for the South Carolina Room: http://www.ccpl.org/scr.html Please look at this page and its links for valuable information. From it, I realize I scratched only a tiny surface of resources. I hope my lurking fellow Hugo reunion researchers will speak up and write about the resources they used. Here is a listing of the will books I used, from the library's URL above: --Inventories, Records of Wills and Miscellaneous Records of Charleston County, 1687-1785 (Index available) SCR 929.3 Charleston --Records of the Secretary of the Province, 1692-1721 SCR 929.3757 Abstract --South Carolina Wills, 1670-1853 or later SCR 929.3757 --Wills of Charleston County, South Carolina, 1671-1868. Now, these books have indexes, and as stated in the last article, I had the fortune of having some lookups performed for me ahead of time by some folks who had access to the indexes. So I already had on my charts and computer most of my volume and page numbers, ready to go. The wills that I accessed--correction, the wills that my COPY SLAVE accessed--are double-spaced typed transcriptions of the originals. You get the words without spending hours deciphering 18th century writing and language, and you can copy with abandon without guilt of damaging aging, fragile documents. [I did not make it to the Probate Office, but if it is like similar offices elsewhere, the staff in those places would probably appreciate it if you use these books, too, and you might be spared the rolled-eye-look and exasperated comments behind your back, like, "Oh, those genealogists..."] These wills, of course, are invaluable. We concentrated on five surnames for a period from the early 18th to the early 19th centuries, and probably copied around twenty-five wills. I will be transcribing these to the appropriate surname lists. So, what was I doing while my copy slave was lugging heavy books [caution, the will books are indeed big and heavy, and the pages are legal size]? I was going through the early copies of the South Carolina Gazette available on microfilm. [to be continued...]

Researching at the Charleston County Public Library When asking folks on various lists about their favorite Charleston research places, nearly everyone had the Charleston County Public Library on Calhoun Street at or near the top of their list. It is easy to see why. This facility, which is relatively newly built, clearly had researchers such as our group in mind. With a few minor improvements, it ranks up there in some of my all-time favorite spots. But first, I should point out that the three places where I researched in Charleston--the Huguenot Society, the SC Historical Society, and the Public Library--were each excellent in its own way, and the utility of each of course really depends upon the type of research you need to do. But for comfort, cost, hours, and user-friendliness, it is hard to beat the Charleston County Public Library. I did not ask for nor search for any information on any manuscript or rare documents that this library might have, so I cannot comment on this area. But I would imagine that the other two facilities are more the type to have such documents, and for me, I had more than enough to do at the Public Library before even considering digging any deeper. My research at the Charleston County Public Library concentrated on three areas: The wills and will index to the WPA wills; the genealogical books on some of the families I was researching; and the early newspaper microfilms. As to the wills and will index, I was very fortunate to have a couple of people email me with volume and page numbers for my various surnames ahead of time. One MOUZON cousin, Betty Dunn, keeps me supplied with such data and more. Now if YOU have a "cousin Betty" equivalent, don't turn down those generous lookup offers. I was also amazed at the help offered to me from the generous listers. Most useful in the will research project was cutting and pasting the volume and page numbers and names to one of my handy charts mentioned in Part Two. These charts were then printed out [but also saved to my laptop's hard drive] for quick and easy use. --------- --------- SKIP TO THE NEXT DOUBLE LINES IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ABOUT MY MOM... I need to mention here that my mother, ELEANOR DUBOIS [normally I'd say "Hi, Mom" but her computer has crashed once again and she is not receiving email at the moment] was enticed [some would say coerced] into meeting me in Charleston for this research extravaganza. As the senior most member of our intrepid group [lets just say the phrase "four score" has a certain ring of familiarity to her] she was a copying fool for her demanding daughter. Mom came up from Florida knowing that I'd be researching my father's side of the family. Mom knows how insanely and obsessively I've been researching my Dad's [HUBERT LEE DUBOIS, decd.] DUBOIS, MOUZON, JUIN, SLATON, HARRIS, CARNE, HUTCHINSON, STARK, etc. side of the family, and has been just a little put out that I haven't been equally insanely hunting her FARRIS, WARFORD, THOMPSON, DICKSON, etc. families. I mention all of this so that folks will understand the supreme sacrifice of being a copy slave on families that are of little interest to you. Moral of story: PAY YOUR COPY SLAVES WELL. Or flatter them endlessly. Or, as happened here, pray to God that other genealogists play bridge during off-hours so that your copy slave who is also a bridge nut gets really, really giggly and thinks about what a great time they're having... --------- --------- END OF MOM STORY. FOR NOW. So what does one do with a chart that has will volume and page numbers? One gives the chart to one's COPY SLAVE, or COPY FOOL [choose your term. Mine chose to be called COPY SLAVE. Political correctness police, call my lawyer.] The COPY SLAVE goes to the corner of the large South Carolina Room where the will books are neatly shelved next to the one table in the room. ------- Skip to the next double lines if you don't want to hear a gripe. ------- Okay, here goes suggested improvement number one: The South Carolina Room--set aside on the top floor of the library--sorely needs more than one large table. They have study carrels with outlets for laptops, and they have a nice little seating area for what? Some little group of readers that never appeared? But they have only one large table and for people like me who travel with hundreds of pages, a laptop, books, and more--and there were several of us-types--one table is not enough. There were several tables just outside of the South Carolina room, but you have to go through security doors, away from precious genealogy books, to get there. Hopefully, they will move or acquire some more tables in the near future. ------ ------ END OF GRIPE. Anyway, the COPY SLAVE can quickly take down the volume in question and move over to the copier for copying said will[s]. Now, my COPY SLAVE was so efficient and generous that I myself never had to lift a finger to make a single copy at this facility, but I did overhear this: ----- ----- Another gripe. Only one copier in the genealogy room?? Surely you jest. There are other copiers just outside of said room, but you have to go through aforementioned security doors and listen to that beeeeepppp as you go through the doors to try and copy elsewhere. And while we're on the subject, I realize I'm quite spoiled by Washington, DC and Virginia facilities where copy cards are "de riguer" but to make this library truly state of the art, or at least on my top five list, the copiers need to self-multiply and have working change machines, if not copy cards. Anyway, imagine various COPY SLAVES and their masters all chompin' at the bit right before closing with their massive volumes of things they MUST copy because they are, after all, from out of state and may never be able to come back again. Imagine, then, one copier. Well, think mud wrestling. Think drag racing. Think killer instinct. It ain't pretty. Folks, move another copier in there. -------- ------- End of gripe. The good, actually great, news: copies are ONLY TEN CENTS. Another big reason why this facility was a fave among us heavy-duty copy types. On a typical research trip, I make several hundred copies per day, and this was no exception. Ten cent copy places are near and dear to my penny-pinching heart. Okay, what with all the gripes and asides, looks like this will have to go to PART IV... To be continued...

My ancestor is Ursulla Brown b.1775, m. Jesse Nell 1795, d. 1840. Bill Nell CJK1043@aol.com wrote: > I have HAGOOD. > > Are there any AXSON or BROWNS ? > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org