The neighbor ROBERT is my line. Judy << Yes, indeed I had DUBOIS in St. James Santee. I guess you could say that nearly all DUBOIS before 1800 in SC were related to my line, at least as far as I've been able to tell. I would love to know what is in Anne Bridge's history. It is possible I've seen it, but just did not make a note of my sources at the time [shame on me; I'm changing my habits.] I have info such as Petit Jury and Grand Jury and Tax lists showing several DuBois' in St. James Santee, for example. My ancestors' earliest land grants were probably in the St. James Santee area. Watch for JASPER DUBOIS, JOHN DUBOIS [four of them], and SAMUEL DUBOIS. However, sometimes some DUBOSEs end up being mentioned as DUBOIS, so other names such as JONATHAN are likely to be DUBOSE. I'm mentioning all of this in case you have the book handy and can tell if it is truly my line. Neighbors include: JAUDON, ROBERT, SERRE, NEWMAN, JUIN/JUNE [also ancestors of mine], PALMER, PAGETT, BONNEAU, PEYRE, TRAPIER >>

Yes, indeed I had DUBOIS in St. James Santee. I guess you could say that nearly all DUBOIS before 1800 in SC were related to my line, at least as far as I've been able to tell. I would love to know what is in Anne Bridge's history. It is possible I've seen it, but just did not make a note of my sources at the time [shame on me; I'm changing my habits.] I have info such as Petit Jury and Grand Jury and Tax lists showing several DuBois' in St. James Santee, for example. My ancestors' earliest land grants were probably in the St. James Santee area. Watch for JASPER DUBOIS, JOHN DUBOIS [four of them], and SAMUEL DUBOIS. However, sometimes some DUBOSEs end up being mentioned as DUBOIS, so other names such as JONATHAN are likely to be DUBOSE. I'm mentioning all of this in case you have the book handy and can tell if it is truly my line. Neighbors include: JAUDON, ROBERT, SERRE, NEWMAN, JUIN/JUNE [also ancestors of mine], PALMER, PAGETT, BONNEAU, PEYRE, TRAPIER Bill Nell wrote: > > Elizabeth; > I forgot to ask you if you were connected to the Dubois' of St. James Santee? Lots of > good stuff in the parish history by Anne Bridges. > Some Nell connection there too. > Bill Nell >

Elizabeth; I forgot to ask you if you were connected to the Dubois' of St. James Santee? Lots of good stuff in the parish history by Anne Bridges. Some Nell connection there too. Bill Nell Elizabeth Russo wrote: > Hi Bill, and thank you so much for the other folks on the block. > > Several names sound familiar to me from this block, but it may take me a > while figure the connections. At times like this, I wish I had a > relational database set up... > > ANN FINDLAY LEHRE, widow, was a distant cousin to PETER DUBOIS. She was > the widow of WILLIAM LEHRE, physician. She was the daughter of REVEREND > ALEXANDER FINDLAY [of St. Stephen's Parish] who married, apparently > after a marriage to ANN's [name unknown to me] mother, DEBORAH BAIRD. > According to the Huguenot Society of SC's "Transactions" No. 80, ANN > LEHRE was the beneficiary of JUDITH DUBOIS BAIRD VILLEPONTOUX's will; > the latter had been guardian of ANN after her parents' deaths. > > Bill Nell wrote: > > > > Hi Elizabeth; > > I like your invitation to a "St. Philip's St. block party". Often folks who live > > close together are either related or at least close friends. > > To begin the "block party", I have listed the St. Philip's St. residence in 1802: > > > > -- St. Philip's St. - Joshua Brown (Broker) > > 4 St. Philip's St. - Joseph Meeks (Grocer) > > 7 St. Philip's St. - John M'Affee (Carpenter) > > 11 St. Philip's St. - Laurence Campbell (Broker) > > 12 St. Philip's St. - Elizabeth Boquet (Widow) > > 14 St. Philip's St. - John Brownlee (Merchant) > > 15 St. Philip's St. - Hugh Rutledge (Judge Court Equity) > > 17 St. Philip's St. - Peter Frits (State Constable) > > 19 St. Philip's St. - Roger Smith (Esquire) > > 22 St. Philip's St. - Peter Dubois (House Carpenter) > > 25 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Elizabeth P. Piot (Planter) > > 26 St. Philip's St. - Charlotte Martin (Widow) > > 27 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Ann Lehre > > 28 St. Philip's St. - Henry Stewart (House Carpenter) > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Glad the info was helpful, Elizabeth; Let me know if I can help you set up your relational database. You can have my data model if you like. When I am not indulged in the passions of genealogy, I pay the bills by setting up relational databases at work. I wrote a genealogy database for myself in Microsoft Access. It works well for me. It helps me answer questions like "Tell me all the people who lived 22 St. Philips St., and the year they lived there." Your welcome to use this program as a base, if you like; or you can try and find one on the market. Do you know anything about "Romaker's Lane"? My Jesse Nell b.1754 was a rope maker in Charleston. I'm looking for any clues to his parents. The Historic Charleston WEB site has not gotten to this street yet. The St. Philip's block party is going well! Bill Nell Elizabeth Russo wrote: > Hi Bill, and thank you so much for the other folks on the block. > > Several names sound familiar to me from this block, but it may take me a > while figure the connections. At times like this, I wish I had a > relational database set up... > > ANN FINDLAY LEHRE, widow, was a distant cousin to PETER DUBOIS. She was > the widow of WILLIAM LEHRE, physician. She was the daughter of REVEREND > ALEXANDER FINDLAY [of St. Stephen's Parish] who married, apparently > after a marriage to ANN's [name unknown to me] mother, DEBORAH BAIRD. > According to the Huguenot Society of SC's "Transactions" No. 80, ANN > LEHRE was the beneficiary of JUDITH DUBOIS BAIRD VILLEPONTOUX's will; > the latter had been guardian of ANN after her parents' deaths. > > Bill Nell wrote: > > > > Hi Elizabeth; > > I like your invitation to a "St. Philip's St. block party". Often folks who live > > close together are either related or at least close friends. > > To begin the "block party", I have listed the St. Philip's St. residence in 1802: > > > > -- St. Philip's St. - Joshua Brown (Broker) > > 4 St. Philip's St. - Joseph Meeks (Grocer) > > 7 St. Philip's St. - John M'Affee (Carpenter) > > 11 St. Philip's St. - Laurence Campbell (Broker) > > 12 St. Philip's St. - Elizabeth Boquet (Widow) > > 14 St. Philip's St. - John Brownlee (Merchant) > > 15 St. Philip's St. - Hugh Rutledge (Judge Court Equity) > > 17 St. Philip's St. - Peter Frits (State Constable) > > 19 St. Philip's St. - Roger Smith (Esquire) > > 22 St. Philip's St. - Peter Dubois (House Carpenter) > > 25 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Elizabeth P. Piot (Planter) > > 26 St. Philip's St. - Charlotte Martin (Widow) > > 27 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Ann Lehre > > 28 St. Philip's St. - Henry Stewart (House Carpenter) > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Bill, I have the following BROWN in connection to PETER DUBOIS, Sr. [father of the one on St. Philips St.]. Is the CHRISTOPHER BROWN below related to your JOHN BROWN or the JOSHUA BROWN below? ------------- MARRIAGE SETTLEMENTS. South Carolina State Archives, Columbia, SC. Brown, Christopher & Sally Faucheraud, 8 May 1789; Peter Dubois, James McBride, wit. (Volume 1, pp. 650-651) ------------------- > > > > -- St. Philip's St. - Joshua Brown (Broker) >

Hi Bill, and thank you so much for the other folks on the block. Several names sound familiar to me from this block, but it may take me a while figure the connections. At times like this, I wish I had a relational database set up... ANN FINDLAY LEHRE, widow, was a distant cousin to PETER DUBOIS. She was the widow of WILLIAM LEHRE, physician. She was the daughter of REVEREND ALEXANDER FINDLAY [of St. Stephen's Parish] who married, apparently after a marriage to ANN's [name unknown to me] mother, DEBORAH BAIRD. According to the Huguenot Society of SC's "Transactions" No. 80, ANN LEHRE was the beneficiary of JUDITH DUBOIS BAIRD VILLEPONTOUX's will; the latter had been guardian of ANN after her parents' deaths. Bill Nell wrote: > > Hi Elizabeth; > I like your invitation to a "St. Philip's St. block party". Often folks who live > close together are either related or at least close friends. > To begin the "block party", I have listed the St. Philip's St. residence in 1802: > > -- St. Philip's St. - Joshua Brown (Broker) > 4 St. Philip's St. - Joseph Meeks (Grocer) > 7 St. Philip's St. - John M'Affee (Carpenter) > 11 St. Philip's St. - Laurence Campbell (Broker) > 12 St. Philip's St. - Elizabeth Boquet (Widow) > 14 St. Philip's St. - John Brownlee (Merchant) > 15 St. Philip's St. - Hugh Rutledge (Judge Court Equity) > 17 St. Philip's St. - Peter Frits (State Constable) > 19 St. Philip's St. - Roger Smith (Esquire) > 22 St. Philip's St. - Peter Dubois (House Carpenter) > 25 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Elizabeth P. Piot (Planter) > 26 St. Philip's St. - Charlotte Martin (Widow) > 27 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Ann Lehre > 28 St. Philip's St. - Henry Stewart (House Carpenter)

Tony; The main page is at: http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/historic_district_map.html Bill Nell Tony and Julie Howell wrote: > hi charles - that's a neat site. do other sites exist for other streets in > charleston? do you know any of the urls? (i tried playing with the warren > url, but couldn't get any other streets to come up.) > > julie thames howell, jax, fla > > "Charles L. Dibble (BLS)" wrote: > > > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Another 'MUST' for South Carolina genealogical research > South Carolina Department of Archives and History > http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/

Charles; The St. Philip's St. info is at : http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/st_philip_st.html A few houses are listed and hopefully, they will and more. Interesting site. Thanks for bringing it up. Bill Nell "Charles L. Dibble (BLS)" wrote: > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html > > I've watched the wanderings up and down St. Philips Street. Has anyone > mentioned the various pages describing the historic district ... > street-by-street. For example, see Warren Street at the link below: > > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html > > And if anyone has any GABEAU or EVANS information in Charleston, please let > me know. > > Charles L. Dibble > Post Office Drawer 1240 > Columbia, South Carolina 29202-1240 > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Hi Elizabeth; I like your invitation to a "St. Philip's St. block party". Often folks who live close together are either related or at least close friends. The work that you have done on the DuBois' is impresive. I know very little about my Brown ancestors. Only that my Jesse Nell b.1754 Va., married Ursulla Rebecca Brown 1795 Charleston. (The Nell's also have strong ties to the St. Dennis and St. Thomas Parishes) I am having difficulty pushing the dates back futher than Ursulla's parents (John and Mary) and Jesse's parents (???). However, I strongly suspect that 22 and 28 St. Philip's St. are two different houses! According to the 1802 Charleston street directory, your Peter Dubois lived at 22 and Henry Stewart lived at 28. (Henry is also a carpenter though!) To begin the "block party", I have listed the St. Philip's St. residence in 1802: -- St. Philip's St. - Joshua Brown (Broker) 4 St. Philip's St. - Joseph Meeks (Grocer) 7 St. Philip's St. - John M'Affee (Carpenter) 11 St. Philip's St. - Laurence Campbell (Broker) 12 St. Philip's St. - Elizabeth Boquet (Widow) 14 St. Philip's St. - John Brownlee (Merchant) 15 St. Philip's St. - Hugh Rutledge (Judge Court Equity) 17 St. Philip's St. - Peter Frits (State Constable) 19 St. Philip's St. - Roger Smith (Esquire) 22 St. Philip's St. - Peter Dubois (House Carpenter) 25 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Elizabeth P. Piot (Planter) 26 St. Philip's St. - Charlotte Martin (Widow) 27 St. Philip's St. - Mrs. Ann Lehre 28 St. Philip's St. - Henry Stewart (House Carpenter) Sometimes, connections can be made by arranging information in this manner. Let's begin the party! Bill Nell Elizabeth Russo wrote: > Okay, neighbors, lets have a block party and introduce ourselves--or at > least our ancestors. > > REV. PETER DUBOIS [1773-1841] was a > builder/carpenter/contractor/Methodist minister who lived at 28 St. > Philips in 1801, and 22 St. Philips in 1802 according to the city > directory. I did not search the land records for that time period, but > now I'd be really curious if he rented there, or sold the house to the > Browns, or if the house numbers changed again so that they were > neighbors, or if he just maintained a shop or office there. > > PETER DUBOIS was the fourth generation of DUBOIS in South Carolina. His > father, grandfather, and great-grandfather were planters with lands in > several parishes, especially St. Thomas and St. Denis. > > PETER was married to ANN CLARKSON CARNE [1777-1840], daughter of JOHN > CARNE and MARY HUTCHINSON, and niece of a somewhat rabid Loyalist, DR. > SAMUEL CARNE, physician, apothecary, merchant and possible slave trader. > I know much more about him than my 6X grandfather, his brother, JOHN > CARNE because SAMUEL appears in many newspaper articles and ads and also > land transactions. SAMUEL was clearly a very wealthy man; I don't know > about his brother. JOHN CARNE was a carpenter, and may also be the same > JOHN CARNE of Charleston who was an apothecary during the Revolution on > the American side. The HUTCHINSONS were wealthy landowners, > apothecaries, and carpenters as well; MARY's uncle or perhaps brother, > THOMAS HUTCHINSON, was a business partner of THOMAS ELFE for many years, > and was the godfather and benefactor to ELFE's children once their > families fell on difficult times. > > PETER DUBOIS and ANN moved to Alabama by 1830 where they joined their > son, REV. JOHN DUBOIS, Methodist minister, planter, and cotton gin > maker. They apparently also maintained ties in Charleston, and may have > lived in both places for the last ten years of their lives. > > PETER and ANN were among the earliest Methodists in Charleston, joining > Bethel Methodist church by the 1790s. As a builder and Methodist > minister, PETER no doubt joined his fellow congregants in their missions > to build chapels, schools, and churches for slaves. His son wrote about > these efforts of the Charleston Methodists years later in a series of > newspaper articles. > > REV. JOHN DUBOIS, born in 1798, the oldest of ten children, no doubt was > born on St. Philips street. He wrote of seeing slaves being brought in > to Charleston in deplorable conditions, and how, after complaints from > people, the slaves were later offloaded out on the islands where they > were "cleaned up." > > Although JOHN seems to have had a happy childhood in Charleston, he > wrote how he longed for adventure in the "new land" of Alabama. He took > off for that wilderness in 1820. A few of his siblings followed later, > along with his parents. JOHN DUBOIS had learned the blacksmith's trade, > which aided him in his later manufacture of cotton gins for which he > held three patents. A very literate man who read and wrote voraciously, > he managed to send all of his children to higher levels of education, > including his daughters. At least three of his sons attended graduate > school--DR. SAMUEL DUBOIS at the Medical University of SC, DR. RUFUS > DUBOIS in Maryland, and DR. CORNELIUS DUBOIS probably also in Maryland. > > An unproven family story says that the DUBOIS, while planters, > manufactured a cotton gin [saw gin] for their own use and for their > neighbors. A young whippersnapper, ELI WHITNEY, who was staying with > the widow of NATHANIEL GREENE after his stint as a teacher did not work > out, made the rounds of some of the plantations between Savannah and > Charleston, including the DUBOIS. He stayed on with the DUBOIS for a > season where he observed said cotton gin, and became quite interested in > the contraption. About to leave to return to his parents' home in > Connecticut, he offered to the DUBOIS' to register the gin in Washington > for a patent with the aid of his family friend, THOMAS JEFFERSON. > DUBOIS shrugged--for he had made the machine for his family and friends > with no real grand vision of fame and fortune--and said, sure, if you > want to. "The rest is history...." > > I would love to hear more about their neighbors in the 'hood.... > > Elizabeth > > Bill Nell wrote: > > > > Elizabeth; > > My Brown ancestors also lived at 22 St. Philips St! They lived there in 1806 > > and 1807. > > Bill Nell > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

i'm glad to have the url and the directions for the site now. i tried putting in st.phillip this morning and it wouldn't take it. i had to get ready for work so didn't have much time to mess around with variations. since we have the url the problem is solved anyway at this point. Imogene Hancock wrote: > I was able to get other streets (Ladson & Meeting) by substituing those names for > Warren.. > > Tony and Julie Howell wrote: > > > hi charles - that's a neat site. do other sites exist for other streets in > > charleston? do you know any of the urls? (i tried playing with the warren > > url, but couldn't get any other streets to come up.) > > > > julie thames howell, jax, fla > > > > "Charles L. Dibble (BLS)" wrote: > > > > > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html > > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > Another 'MUST' for South Carolina genealogical research > > South Carolina Department of Archives and History > > http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/ > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

thanks! i'm going to "play" in charleston tonight. julie "Kortenkamp, Daniel" wrote: > Go to the Charleston Public Library site at: > > http://www.ccpl.org > > and then click on the "Charleston Multimedia History Project." There you > will find a street-by-street, building-by-building guide to the Historic > District, with links to hundreds of images. > > Daniel > > Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu > Dept. of Psychology > University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 > Stevens Point, WI 54481 > http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DAR3LLP@aol.com [mailto:DAR3LLP@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:07 AM > > To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] Charleston streets - online > > > > > > I just replaced the name Warren with Gadsden and the site > > came up, but only > > showed a few houses. I would also like to know the name of > > this site to be > > able to add to it. Thanks! Lynn Pickett > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > Another 'MUST' for South Carolina genealogical research > > South Carolina Department of Archives and History > > http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/ > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577

I was able to get other streets (Ladson & Meeting) by substituing those names for Warren.. Tony and Julie Howell wrote: > hi charles -�� that's a neat site.� do other sites exist for other streets in > charleston?� do you know any of the urls?� (i tried playing with the warren > url, but couldn't get any other streets to come up.) > > julie thames howell, jax, fla > > "Charles L. Dibble (BLS)" wrote: > > > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Another 'MUST' for South Carolina genealogical research > South Carolina Department of Archives and History > http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/

Re Charleston Historic Streets On-Line Thanks so much for this information !! Have already "visited" several streets and will continue my tour this afternoon. Mary Alice Erwin

Go to the Charleston Public Library site at: http://www.ccpl.org and then click on the "Charleston Multimedia History Project." There you will find a street-by-street, building-by-building guide to the Historic District, with links to hundreds of images. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu Dept. of Psychology University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: DAR3LLP@aol.com [mailto:DAR3LLP@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:07 AM > To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] Charleston streets - online > > > I just replaced the name Warren with Gadsden and the site > came up, but only > showed a few houses. I would also like to know the name of > this site to be > able to add to it. Thanks! Lynn Pickett > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Another 'MUST' for South Carolina genealogical research > South Carolina Department of Archives and History > http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/ >

I just replaced the name Warren with Gadsden and the site came up, but only showed a few houses. I would also like to know the name of this site to be able to add to it. Thanks! Lynn Pickett

In a message dated 5/10/00 7:25:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tjhowell@bellsouth.net writes: << http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html >> Please tell us how we might search for other streets , like King or Greenhill or Meeting and Ect. Thanks, CJK

hi charles - that's a neat site. do other sites exist for other streets in charleston? do you know any of the urls? (i tried playing with the warren url, but couldn't get any other streets to come up.) julie thames howell, jax, fla "Charles L. Dibble (BLS)" wrote: > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html >

http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html I've watched the wanderings up and down St. Philips Street. Has anyone mentioned the various pages describing the historic district ... street-by-street. For example, see Warren Street at the link below: http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/warren.html And if anyone has any GABEAU or EVANS information in Charleston, please let me know. Charles L. Dibble Post Office Drawer 1240 Columbia, South Carolina 29202-1240

hmmm...... well, my charleston ancestry isn't as documented or as well known, yet, but my 2G grandfather, John Elliott Thames was born in clarendon co, sc in Dec 1823 and died in clarendon, sc on Dec 26, 1893. on nov 1, 1848 he married Anna Rosina Caroline Joye who was born in charleston on Sep 20, 1829. they were married by the Reverend J. H. Honor (spelled Honour later on in the family bible.) Anna was the daughter of Peter Sieversten Joye, b aug 9, 1803 in copenhagen, "kingdom of denmark" and Elizabeth Gleen Church Joye. (Peter Joye died on aug 18, 1837, the captain of a ship said to have been lost at sea during a storm at matanzas bay near san juan, puerto rico.) [aug is in hurricane season.] John Elliott Thames and Anna had, according to the family bible, 5 children; George W. Thames (my great grandfather) who married Mary Agnes Dudley in wilmington, nc on oct 22, 1874; Ida Elizabeth Thames, b. jan 30, 1854; Lillie Maria Thames, b. mar 30, 1856; Charles Elliott Thames, b. dec 17, 1849 and died at age 5, oct 14, 1854 of "the prevailing epidemic"; and Daisy Toomer Thames, b. feb 27, 1861, d aug 11, 1862. all of the children were born in charleston. the newspaper clippings, found in the family bible reporting the deaths of Charles Elliott and Daisy Toomer, were quite eloquent and eulogized the children in poems. the 1849 charleston city directory has John Thames working as a clerk at 231 king and residing on boundary. the 1852-55 directories have him working as a clerk at 248 king. in 1852 he was living at 48 calhoun st and, by 1855, had moved to st. phillip. 1856 has the street number as 125, and in 1866 his residence is listed as 123 st. phillip. by that time he was working as a conductor for the SCRR. 1867-68 has A.W. Thames (Alfred Washington, John's brother) and an "F." Thames (working as a clerk) living at the 123 st. phillip address with John. Alfred married Margaret Ann (--) so she was most likely living with them. 1872 shows A.W. Thames having moved into 131 st. phillip street. John apparently continued living at 123 st. phillip street until at least 1874 (haven't gotten further city directory copies past that yet.) by 1874 John Elliott Thames was a train master with the SC railroad. so far that's all i have on my little group. julie

Okay, neighbors, lets have a block party and introduce ourselves--or at least our ancestors. REV. PETER DUBOIS [1773-1841] was a builder/carpenter/contractor/Methodist minister who lived at 28 St. Philips in 1801, and 22 St. Philips in 1802 according to the city directory. I did not search the land records for that time period, but now I'd be really curious if he rented there, or sold the house to the Browns, or if the house numbers changed again so that they were neighbors, or if he just maintained a shop or office there. PETER DUBOIS was the fourth generation of DUBOIS in South Carolina. His father, grandfather, and great-grandfather were planters with lands in several parishes, especially St. Thomas and St. Denis. PETER was married to ANN CLARKSON CARNE [1777-1840], daughter of JOHN CARNE and MARY HUTCHINSON, and niece of a somewhat rabid Loyalist, DR. SAMUEL CARNE, physician, apothecary, merchant and possible slave trader. I know much more about him than my 6X grandfather, his brother, JOHN CARNE because SAMUEL appears in many newspaper articles and ads and also land transactions. SAMUEL was clearly a very wealthy man; I don't know about his brother. JOHN CARNE was a carpenter, and may also be the same JOHN CARNE of Charleston who was an apothecary during the Revolution on the American side. The HUTCHINSONS were wealthy landowners, apothecaries, and carpenters as well; MARY's uncle or perhaps brother, THOMAS HUTCHINSON, was a business partner of THOMAS ELFE for many years, and was the godfather and benefactor to ELFE's children once their families fell on difficult times. PETER DUBOIS and ANN moved to Alabama by 1830 where they joined their son, REV. JOHN DUBOIS, Methodist minister, planter, and cotton gin maker. They apparently also maintained ties in Charleston, and may have lived in both places for the last ten years of their lives. PETER and ANN were among the earliest Methodists in Charleston, joining Bethel Methodist church by the 1790s. As a builder and Methodist minister, PETER no doubt joined his fellow congregants in their missions to build chapels, schools, and churches for slaves. His son wrote about these efforts of the Charleston Methodists years later in a series of newspaper articles. REV. JOHN DUBOIS, born in 1798, the oldest of ten children, no doubt was born on St. Philips street. He wrote of seeing slaves being brought in to Charleston in deplorable conditions, and how, after complaints from people, the slaves were later offloaded out on the islands where they were "cleaned up." Although JOHN seems to have had a happy childhood in Charleston, he wrote how he longed for adventure in the "new land" of Alabama. He took off for that wilderness in 1820. A few of his siblings followed later, along with his parents. JOHN DUBOIS had learned the blacksmith's trade, which aided him in his later manufacture of cotton gins for which he held three patents. A very literate man who read and wrote voraciously, he managed to send all of his children to higher levels of education, including his daughters. At least three of his sons attended graduate school--DR. SAMUEL DUBOIS at the Medical University of SC, DR. RUFUS DUBOIS in Maryland, and DR. CORNELIUS DUBOIS probably also in Maryland. An unproven family story says that the DUBOIS, while planters, manufactured a cotton gin [saw gin] for their own use and for their neighbors. A young whippersnapper, ELI WHITNEY, who was staying with the widow of NATHANIEL GREENE after his stint as a teacher did not work out, made the rounds of some of the plantations between Savannah and Charleston, including the DUBOIS. He stayed on with the DUBOIS for a season where he observed said cotton gin, and became quite interested in the contraption. About to leave to return to his parents' home in Connecticut, he offered to the DUBOIS' to register the gin in Washington for a patent with the aid of his family friend, THOMAS JEFFERSON. DUBOIS shrugged--for he had made the machine for his family and friends with no real grand vision of fame and fortune--and said, sure, if you want to. "The rest is history...." I would love to hear more about their neighbors in the 'hood.... Elizabeth Bill Nell wrote: > > Elizabeth; > My Brown ancestors also lived at 22 St. Philips St! They lived there in 1806 > and 1807. > Bill Nell >