I have Axson on lived at 17 King - 22 King and I think there were some 62 Tradd or this was a work adddress. Are there any others with people on King St?

Sometime the Date on the death index card does not agree with cemetery records . The date on the death index card might be the burial date instead of the date of death.

In a message dated 5/12/00 7:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MErwin114@aol.com writes: << The Library also has the microfilmed Jounnal of Burial at the Magnolia Cemetery. ( >> Do you know what the cost would be for them to search this mocrofilm and mail infomation on a certain Surname ? Thanks, CJK

Hi Daniel Re records of your Schermer Family in Charleston in 1850's. "Death Cards". The Charleston County Public Library has an index of "Death Cards" for many of the people who DIED within the city limits of Charleston in mid 1800's. This was a WPA project - info copied onto 3x5 index cards filed alphabetically in a cabinet. The Library sent me a photocopy of "Death Card" for a relative who died in 1852 - that included cause of death and place of burial. (Alas, no info re husband, children, etc.) The Library also has the microfilmed Jounnal of Burial at the Magnolia Cemetery. (Whenever I write to the Library, I always send a check to cover copy costs and a SSAE.) Charleston County Public Library South Carolina Room 68 Calhoun Street Charleston, SC 29401 (843) 805-6801 New Reference Book. Recently mentioned on the List was Holcomb's latest publication - "Catholic Deaths in Charleston before 1860" - or similar title. Perhaps someone could look up your Schermer name in this book. City Directory. The Mormon Church has microfilmed all of the Charleston City Directories - and they are available for review at a local Mormon Family History Center - for very nominal postage fee. I have looked up all my materna/paternal Charleston ancestors and photocopied the relevant pages. This is an excellent way to trace changes of address and employment. Census. One suggestion - if the City Directory Address could pinpoint the area of Charleston - where your ancestor lived in 1850 - perhaps you could then search line-by-line though the appropriate pages of the Census Record. Very likely - the Schermer name was misspelled on the Census. I also had German-speaking ancestors in early Charleston, and their names were often spelled incorrectly on the census. Good luck in your search !! Mary Alice

Maggie...those initals stand for...Free Person Of Color...probably a slave.....domestic. Love Cuz, Rosalieanne

Hello Pat! Any chance your 1788 map includes any information on Church St. My ancestor James BENTHAM lived at 47 Church St. in 1790. In 1783 he was a church warden of St. Phillip's. By 1802, he was living 39 Bay street. A reference to him says 'one of the quorum'. Does anyone have an idea what this means? At various times he was listed as being a menber of the Mt. Zion Society (1780) and warden of the Fellowship Society (1793). Does anyone have information about these groups or know where I might find anything? Another notation says he joined the South Carolina Society and served as Constable in1778. I had assumed the reference was to his social standing - but was this another organized "society" of some sort. Any clues would be appreciated. Linda

Maggee; You certainly have an interesting family. Lots of French (Huguenots ?). FPC is a "Free Person of Color". Charleston had lots of mixed families. My Frank Stillson of 85 St. Philips (1889) was an FPC. Bill MOConqrr@aol.com wrote: > I will join in the fun!! I also have ancestors that lived on St. Philips' > street, as follows: > > 1822 Jane ESNAR, 31 St. Philips Street, FPC (what is that?) > 1840-41 Jane ESNARD, 25 St. Philips Street, FPC ( ? again) > > 1891-92 ESNARD, Clarence 259 St. Philip > ESNARD, Peter, 179 St. Philip > 1893 & 94 ESNARD, Clarence & Peter at 179 St. Philip > > Peter is the brother of my gr grandfather, Joseph ESNARD, and Clarence is his > son; but I don't know who Jane is!! Since it is such an unusual name, and any > and all (except her) ESNARD's are related, I include her just in case! ESNARD > originated in Angouleme, France, immigrated to Saint Domingue, escaped there > in 1790's to Cuba and Charleston, and my line went to California > > SOME Associated surnames: PEBARTE, BARBOT, CHARTRAND, DUBOIS, > LECHAIS, BATTEY, CHAPLIN, LEBLEUX, and I could go on and on and on..... > > Maggee Smith > New List "Mom": Saint Domingue mailing list > (Saint-Domingue-L-request@rootsweb.com OR > Saint-Domingue-D-request@rootsweb.com) > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577

FPC is Free Person of Color. Many of the refugees from Santo Domingo were of mixed ancestry. There is a miniature portrait believed to be either Jean Pierre Esnard or John Anthony Barbot (married to Antoinette Esnard) in the Gibbes Art Gallery in Charleston. I quote from "The Miniature Portrait Collection of the Carolina Art Association," "Vallee's portrayal is an unidealized one which emphasizes the sitter's dark coloring." By using the term "unidealized," the writer is reminding us that per the fashion of the day, an "idealized" portrait would have made the sitter appear to be very fair in complexion. Randy Floyd > 1822 Jane ESNAR, 31 St. Philips Street, FPC (what is that?) > 1840-41 Jane ESNARD, 25 St. Philips Street, FPC ( ? again) > > 1891-92 ESNARD, Clarence 259 St. Philip > ESNARD, Peter, 179 St. Philip > 1893 & 94 ESNARD, Clarence & Peter at 179 St. Philip > > Peter is the brother of my gr grandfather, Joseph ESNARD, and Clarence is his > son; but I don't know who Jane is!! Since it is such an unusual name, and any > and all (except her) ESNARD's are related, I include her just in case! ESNARD > originated in Angouleme, France, immigrated to Saint Domingue, escaped there > in 1790's to Cuba and Charleston, and my line went to California > > SOME Associated surnames: PEBARTE, BARBOT, CHARTRAND, DUBOIS, > LECHAIS, BATTEY, CHAPLIN, LEBLEUX, and I could go on and on and on..... > > Maggee Smith > New List "Mom": Saint Domingue mailing list > (Saint-Domingue-L-request@rootsweb.com OR > Saint-Domingue-D-request@rootsweb.com)

I will join in the fun!! I also have ancestors that lived on St. Philips' street, as follows: 1822 Jane ESNAR, 31 St. Philips Street, FPC (what is that?) 1840-41 Jane ESNARD, 25 St. Philips Street, FPC ( ? again) 1891-92 ESNARD, Clarence 259 St. Philip ESNARD, Peter, 179 St. Philip 1893 & 94 ESNARD, Clarence & Peter at 179 St. Philip Peter is the brother of my gr grandfather, Joseph ESNARD, and Clarence is his son; but I don't know who Jane is!! Since it is such an unusual name, and any and all (except her) ESNARD's are related, I include her just in case! ESNARD originated in Angouleme, France, immigrated to Saint Domingue, escaped there in 1790's to Cuba and Charleston, and my line went to California SOME Associated surnames: PEBARTE, BARBOT, CHARTRAND, DUBOIS, LECHAIS, BATTEY, CHAPLIN, LEBLEUX, and I could go on and on and on..... Maggee Smith New List "Mom": Saint Domingue mailing list (Saint-Domingue-L-request@rootsweb.com OR Saint-Domingue-D-request@rootsweb.com)

Glad it was helpful, Julie. Don't know of any connection, though. Bill Tony and Julie Howell wrote: > very nice. thanks! > > oh, by the way, my 2G grandfather's name was john elliott thames, b. in 1823, m. > nov 1, 1848 in charleston to anna rosina caroline joye who was born in charleston > on sep 20, 1829. i saw one map of charleston that had the areas divided up into > "boroughs" and the part of st. phillip street that john elliott lived at would have > been around "elliottborough". is there a possibility of any connection, do you > think? > > julie > > Bill Nell wrote: > > > Tony; > > The main page is at: > > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/historic_district_map.html > > Bill Nell > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577

Thanks for you kind help, Pat. Bill Patricia Kruger wrote: > Bill- I suspect your ancestor lived on the street that is today called > 'Ropemaker's Lane" On my 1788 map it was called Rope Lane and only had 3 > houses on it (with one additional one on the corner of Rope Lane and Meeting > Street.) It was not a through street and the house at the end was quite > large, the other two much smaller. Unfortunately the street it is not > included in the Text for Guides of Historic Charleston (my source for > address information), so I can't shed any additional historical info on its > origins. Pat > > Original message: > > Do you know anything about "Romaker's Lane"? My Jesse Nell b.1754 was a > rope maker in > > Charleston. I'm looking for any clues to his parents. The Historic > Charleston WEB site > > has not gotten to this street yet. > > The St. Philip's block party is going well! > > Bill Nell > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577

Sorry, Elizabeth. Forgot to mention that the neighbors are also mentioned in Anne Bridges history of St. James Santee: Jaudon, Robert, Serre, Juin, June, Palmer, Bonneau, Peyre, and Trapier. Bill Nell Elizabeth Russo wrote: > Yes, indeed I had DUBOIS in St. James Santee. I guess you could say > that nearly all DUBOIS before 1800 in SC were related to my line, at > least as far as I've been able to tell. > > I would love to know what is in Anne Bridge's history. It is possible > I've seen it, but just did not make a note of my sources at the time > [shame on me; I'm changing my habits.] I have info such as Petit Jury > and Grand Jury and Tax lists showing several DuBois' in St. James > Santee, for example. > > My ancestors' earliest land grants were probably in the St. James Santee > area. Watch for JASPER DUBOIS, JOHN DUBOIS [four of them], and SAMUEL > DUBOIS. > > However, sometimes some DUBOSEs end up being mentioned as DUBOIS, so > other names such as JONATHAN are likely to be DUBOSE. > > I'm mentioning all of this in case you have the book handy and can tell > if it is truly my line. > > Neighbors include: JAUDON, ROBERT, SERRE, NEWMAN, JUIN/JUNE [also > ancestors of mine], PALMER, PAGETT, BONNEAU, PEYRE, TRAPIER > > Bill Nell wrote: > > > > Elizabeth; > > I forgot to ask you if you were connected to the Dubois' of St. James Santee? Lots of > > good stuff in the parish history by Anne Bridges. > > Some Nell connection there too. > > Bill Nell > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Elizabeth; The St. James Santee Plantation Parish (History and Records, 1685 - 1925) provides the history of the French Huguenot / English colony. Anne Leland Bridges notes the following Dubois, DuBose, Du Bose: Dubois: Frances, and Jeanne. DuBose: Andrew, Catherine, Daniel, Elizabeth, Isaac, John, Peter, Samuel, Serre, Stephen, Susan and Suzanne. Dubosc: Anne, Isaac, Louis, and Suzanne. Dubose: Catherine, Daniel, Elizabeth, Florida, Frances, Harriet, Isaac, James, Joanna, Mary, and Samuel. You can also locate this book at Amazon.com, ISBN: 0871525046 Let me know if I can assist you further. Bill Nell Elizabeth Russo wrote: > Yes, indeed I had DUBOIS in St. James Santee. I guess you could say > that nearly all DUBOIS before 1800 in SC were related to my line, at > least as far as I've been able to tell. > > I would love to know what is in Anne Bridge's history. It is possible > I've seen it, but just did not make a note of my sources at the time > [shame on me; I'm changing my habits.] I have info such as Petit Jury > and Grand Jury and Tax lists showing several DuBois' in St. James > Santee, for example. > > My ancestors' earliest land grants were probably in the St. James Santee > area. Watch for JASPER DUBOIS, JOHN DUBOIS [four of them], and SAMUEL > DUBOIS. > > However, sometimes some DUBOSEs end up being mentioned as DUBOIS, so > other names such as JONATHAN are likely to be DUBOSE. > > I'm mentioning all of this in case you have the book handy and can tell > if it is truly my line. > > Neighbors include: JAUDON, ROBERT, SERRE, NEWMAN, JUIN/JUNE [also > ancestors of mine], PALMER, PAGETT, BONNEAU, PEYRE, TRAPIER > > Bill Nell wrote: > > > > Elizabeth; > > I forgot to ask you if you were connected to the Dubois' of St. James Santee? Lots of > > good stuff in the parish history by Anne Bridges. > > Some Nell connection there too. > > Bill Nell > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Elizabeth; These Brown names don't look familiar. But, I'll check into my (very large) Brown folder I ordered from the SC Historical Society. Maybe I can find a connection. Thanks for you help. Bill Nell Elizabeth Russo wrote: > Bill, I have the following BROWN in connection to PETER DUBOIS, Sr. > [father of the one on St. Philips St.]. Is the CHRISTOPHER BROWN below > related to your JOHN BROWN or the JOSHUA BROWN below? > ------------- > MARRIAGE SETTLEMENTS. > South Carolina State Archives, Columbia, SC. > > Brown, Christopher & Sally Faucheraud, 8 May 1789; Peter Dubois, James > McBride, > wit. (Volume 1, pp. 650-651) > ------------------- > > > > > > -- St. Philip's St. - Joshua Brown (Broker) > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to visit the Charleston County SC Genealogy Site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3577

My GGGGrandUncle designed and built 14 New St...as he designed so many other things in Charleston as The Catherdral of St John the Baptist, the old city jail to name a few. The house is magnificent and is there just as it was in the 1800's. Rosalieanne

Hi I hope some of the other streets in Charleston will do the same block party. I had gt grandparents that lived at 9 New street in the 1900 census. That looks to be a very short street on the map. I looked at the street guide site of Charleston and there was no listing of # 9. I do not know what that address would be today. I know these same grandparents had lived at the corner house of Tradd and King in the late 1880s. ( I think the son stayed at Tradd and King when he married an the parents must have moved to 9 New Street.). The front of the house was on Tradd Street facing toward King Street which is about a block away. Would anyone in Charleston know what that address would be.? I saw it last summer and never thought to take the address from it. Thanks Betty

I have some info on Michael Boineau, a French Huguenot, born in the province of Bordeaux, France. He died in Charleston in 1724. His wife was Anne DuTartre, daughter of Pierre DuTartre and Anne Poitevin. Also, the Palmer relationship. The DuTartre's and the Poitevin's were weavers and arrived on the Ship of War, Richmond in 1680. Family tradition states that Michael Boineau also came over on the same ship. This info was taken from a book - FAMILY SKETCHES - by James Reddick. Gail A. Cannon

very nice. thanks! oh, by the way, my 2G grandfather's name was john elliott thames, b. in 1823, m. nov 1, 1848 in charleston to anna rosina caroline joye who was born in charleston on sep 20, 1829. i saw one map of charleston that had the areas divided up into "boroughs" and the part of st. phillip street that john elliott lived at would have been around "elliottborough". is there a possibility of any connection, do you think? julie Bill Nell wrote: > Tony; > The main page is at: > http://www.ccpl.org/ccl/historic_district_map.html > Bill Nell >

My gg-grandfather, Simon SCHERMER, immigrated to Charleston from Amsterdam about 1835, when the import-export firm he worked for in Amsterdam went broke. He was born August 2, 1804, in Wormerveer, North Holland. His first job in Charleston was supposedly as a supervisor for the railroad out of Charleston. He later supposedly worked in an office for a "Mr. King." He eventually started his own cotton and cheese import-export business, and bought house #54 on Saint Philip Sreet on January 7, 1847. The house was demolished about 1949, and the Simons Fine Arts Center of the College of Charleston now stands on the site. Simon SCHERMER married Anna Dorothea GRAWE about 1846. She was born EMPTING in 1812 at Westbevern, Westphalia, Prussia [Germany]. She immigrated to Charleston about 1840, but lost her first husband, "Mr. GRAWE" (GREVE?, GRAVE?, pronounced "grave") and only child about 1841 during a yellow fever epidemic in Charleston. Simon and Dorothea SCHERMER had two children while living at #54 Saint Philip St. -- Josephine, October 26, 1848 (my g-grandmother), and Simon, Jr., April 20, 1850. Simon, Sr., became quite wealthy before he died in 1854 (yellow fever?). Dorothea traveled to Amsterdam to settle his estate, lived for a couple more years with her children in Charleston, and then moved to New Vienna, Dubuque County, Iowa, to escape "the unbearable heat and dangerous fevers of Charleston." She married a third time, and also outlived her third husband. But, that is another story. I have never been able to find a marriage record for Simon and Dorothea, birth/baptismal records for their children, or death/burial records for Simon (or Dorothea's first husband and only child). These people were Catholic. I have corresponded with St. Patrick's parish on Saint Philip Street., St. Mary's, and with the Charleston Diocese (St. John the Baptist) but they have no records of these SCHERMERs. I have not been able to find these SCHERMERs in the 1850 Federal Census Index. The only Charleston record I have been able to find for these people is the name "Simon SCHERMER" in Holcomb's (1985) SOUTH CAROLINA NATURALIZATION (1785-1850). Simon SCHERMER filed notice for naturalization December 28, 1844, Charleston. The names of Dorothea and her two children appear on a passenger list coming into New York City on October 9, 1854, after traveling to Amsterdam to settle her late husband's estate. There are plenty of records for Simon SCHERMER in Holland, but I have been unable to find anything else in Charleston. I will be looking in Hagy's books of Charleston city directories next. Our Wisconsin Historical Society has recently acquired them. And, someday I will try to find Simon SCHERMER in the Charleston probate records. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. dkortenk@uwsp.edu Dept. of Psychology University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm

Bill- I suspect your ancestor lived on the street that is today called 'Ropemaker's Lane" On my 1788 map it was called Rope Lane and only had 3 houses on it (with one additional one on the corner of Rope Lane and Meeting Street.) It was not a through street and the house at the end was quite large, the other two much smaller. Unfortunately the street it is not included in the Text for Guides of Historic Charleston (my source for address information), so I can't shed any additional historical info on its origins. Pat Original message: > Do you know anything about "Romaker's Lane"? My Jesse Nell b.1754 was a rope maker in > Charleston. I'm looking for any clues to his parents. The Historic Charleston WEB site > has not gotten to this street yet. > The St. Philip's block party is going well! > Bill Nell >