I would like to invite you to visit my new website called The POORHOUSE STORY (a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American poorhouses) at http://www.poorhousestory.com So far we have not been able to locate much information about poorhouses in South Carolina. Then a visitor to the site wrote us about an experience regarding poorhouse records in CHARLESTON County ... which we have now posted. Our response was...uhm...sort of...Yikes! DIRECTIONS: at the homepage (link above) click on POORHOUSES BY STATE, then click on OTHER STATES, then click on SOUTH CAROLINA on the table of states. (If you have checked the page recently you will need to click REFRESH on your browser to see new material.) You may want to check to see what adjoining states have had posted about their poorhouse records. (There is a link to OTHER STATES at the bottom of the South Carolina page.) To see how important poorhouse records can be ... off the homepage go to HISTORY and LETTER TO GENEALOGISTS. We really hope to increase the amount of information we can make available about South Carolina. But the site only grows through tips and information submitted by folks like you. Your submissions will be greatly appreciated. Hope you enjoy the site! Linda Crannell (aka=The Poorhouse Lady)

I don't know, yet, but that would be interesting. Fred -----Original Message----- From: Hugh M. Lewis <bowlegs@gator.net> To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] Ball Family >Hello > >Is this the Martha Washington family. Martha mother was a Ball. > >Huey in FL > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <EUZELIA@aol.com> >To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:46 PM >Subject: [SCCHARLE] Ball Family > > >> >> As per LDS (questionable information, I know): >> >> 1 - Catherine GENDRON >> b. 1723 at Berkeley, SC; d. 1753; married 1742 at Berkeley, SC >> +John Coming BALL >> b. abt. 1729 at Berkeley, SC; d. 21 Oct 1764 >> >> 2 - Elizabeth BALL >> b. 1746 at St. Johns' Parish, Charleston District, SC; d. 30 April >> 1764 at Berkeley, SC; married 13 Dec 1764 at Hyde Park, St. >> John's Parish, Charleston District, SC. >> +Henry Smith (son of 2nd Landgrave Thomas Smith and his 2nd >> wife, Mary Hyrne) >> >> I have my SMITH Lineage from my grandmother's Colonial Dames papers, but I >> have nothing but "honorable mention" in her papers on the GENDRON, BALL, >and >> HYRNE (of NC, I believe) families. I am planning a trip to SC later this >> month and would love to have a little more to go on in my search fro the >> GENDRON and BALL families. If anyone out there has additional infromation >on >> these families or knows where I might obtain information, please let me >> know. >> >> Thanks! Fredreica >> speyer@bellsouth.net >> >> PS Does anyone have access to the book, "Recollections of the Ball Family >of >> South Carolina and The Comingtee Plantation" by Anne Simons Deas? Michael >> Trezevant Smith mentions it in a GenForum post. Could someone do a >"lookup" >> for me and tell me if my BALL family is mentioned? >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== >> > > >==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== >Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families >South Carolina Historical Society >http://www.schistory.org > >

Hello Is this the Martha Washington family. Martha mother was a Ball. Huey in FL ----- Original Message ----- From: <EUZELIA@aol.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:46 PM Subject: [SCCHARLE] Ball Family > > As per LDS (questionable information, I know): > > 1 - Catherine GENDRON > b. 1723 at Berkeley, SC; d. 1753; married 1742 at Berkeley, SC > +John Coming BALL > b. abt. 1729 at Berkeley, SC; d. 21 Oct 1764 > > 2 - Elizabeth BALL > b. 1746 at St. Johns' Parish, Charleston District, SC; d. 30 April > 1764 at Berkeley, SC; married 13 Dec 1764 at Hyde Park, St. > John's Parish, Charleston District, SC. > +Henry Smith (son of 2nd Landgrave Thomas Smith and his 2nd > wife, Mary Hyrne) > > I have my SMITH Lineage from my grandmother's Colonial Dames papers, but I > have nothing but "honorable mention" in her papers on the GENDRON, BALL, and > HYRNE (of NC, I believe) families. I am planning a trip to SC later this > month and would love to have a little more to go on in my search fro the > GENDRON and BALL families. If anyone out there has additional infromation on > these families or knows where I might obtain information, please let me > know. > > Thanks! Fredreica > speyer@bellsouth.net > > PS Does anyone have access to the book, "Recollections of the Ball Family of > South Carolina and The Comingtee Plantation" by Anne Simons Deas? Michael > Trezevant Smith mentions it in a GenForum post. Could someone do a "lookup" > for me and tell me if my BALL family is mentioned? > > > > > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== >

Hi, SOUTH CAROLINA Researchers: You're invited to join us Tuesday night for a special SOUTH CAROLINA genealogy chat. Feel free to invite others interested in researching SOUTH CAROLINA to join us: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm Tuesday 10 pm Eastern; 9 pm Central; 8 pm Mt.; 7 pm Pacific Be sure to come with printouts of your family tree and any resources you have to share. This is for the whole state--everyone is welcome. There are no scheduled chats after this one--so you can stay all night if you wish If you miss the chat, be sure and go by the forum and post your SURNAMES: http://forums.about.com/ab-huntsville You can read a transcript of the chat here: http://huntsville.about.com/blrecords.htm If you need instructions for the chat room or forum or would like a full schedule of all genealogy chats, just let me know. Jean Brandau huntsville2@home.com

Hi , Will some one post the site for SCHARLE I had some trouble with my computer and would like to go back and check out the old e mails . Thanks, CJK1043

Frederica Read the excellent book "Slaves in the Family" by Edward BALL written a few years ago to get the entire BALL family history back to England. GENDRON is a Charleston Huguenot family with lots of history. Visit the SC Huguenot Society on Logan Street in Charleston. I saw the name Edward HYRNE in the new book "Medway", by Virginia Christian Beach, written last year. He occupied Medway Plantation near Charleston from 1701 to 1711, but never paid for it so it reverted to Landgrave Thomas SMITH. Frost Prioleau Piedmont, CA hfrost@prioleau.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <EUZELIA@aol.com> > > 1 - Catherine GENDRON > b. 1723 at Berkeley, SC; d. 1753; married 1742 at Berkeley, SC > +John Coming BALL > b. abt. 1729 at Berkeley, SC; d. 21 Oct 1764 > > 2 - Elizabeth BALL > b. 1746 at St. Johns' Parish, Charleston District, SC; d. 30 April > 1764 at Berkeley, SC; married 13 Dec 1764 at Hyde Park, St. > John's Parish, Charleston District, SC. > +Henry Smith (son of 2nd Landgrave Thomas Smith and his 2nd > wife, Mary Hyrne) > > I have my SMITH Lineage from my grandmother's Colonial Dames papers, but I > have nothing but "honorable mention" in her papers on the GENDRON, BALL, and > HYRNE (of NC, I believe) families. I am planning a trip to SC later this > month and would love to have a little more to go on in my search fro the > GENDRON and BALL families. If anyone out there has additional infromation on > these families or knows where I might obtain information, please let me > know. > > Thanks! Fredreica > speyer@bellsouth.net >

As per LDS (questionable information, I know): 1 - Catherine GENDRON b. 1723 at Berkeley, SC; d. 1753; married 1742 at Berkeley, SC +John Coming BALL b. abt. 1729 at Berkeley, SC; d. 21 Oct 1764 2 - Elizabeth BALL b. 1746 at St. Johns' Parish, Charleston District, SC; d. 30 April 1764 at Berkeley, SC; married 13 Dec 1764 at Hyde Park, St. John's Parish, Charleston District, SC. +Henry Smith (son of 2nd Landgrave Thomas Smith and his 2nd wife, Mary Hyrne) I have my SMITH Lineage from my grandmother's Colonial Dames papers, but I have nothing but "honorable mention" in her papers on the GENDRON, BALL, and HYRNE (of NC, I believe) families. I am planning a trip to SC later this month and would love to have a little more to go on in my search fro the GENDRON and BALL families. If anyone out there has additional infromation on these families or knows where I might obtain information, please let me know. Thanks! Fredreica speyer@bellsouth.net PS Does anyone have access to the book, "Recollections of the Ball Family of South Carolina and The Comingtee Plantation" by Anne Simons Deas? Michael Trezevant Smith mentions it in a GenForum post. Could someone do a "lookup" for me and tell me if my BALL family is mentioned? > >

Just to add, the oldest grave is 1805 I think and the earliest grave is 1889 Grant Mishoe <A HREF="http://csaartillery.homestead.com/index.html"> http://csaartillery.homestead.com/index.html</A>

Does anyone know the name of the old cemetery inside of Riverview Memorial Gardens on Azalea Drive in Norht Charleston. I have surveyed it and gotten all of the information, but I have no idea as to what it is called. Riverview has no clue either. Thanks. Grant Mishoe <A HREF="http://csaartillery.homestead.com/index.html"> http://csaartillery.homestead.com/index.html</A>

There is a book in the Beaufort County Library about the Fishbourne Family from Moncks Corner, SC

List Members: Can anyone give me the approximate location of the Old Oak Section within Magnolia Cemetery in Charleston? I am somewhat familiar with the layout. I seem to remember 2 general areas of the cemetery. 1. Main area contains the Office. You proceed straight through the gate, and in a short distance, the road forks. The right fork going by the Office. The left fork takes you out on a small peninsula. 2. Area separated from the rest of the cemetery by a pond. You proceed through the gate, and take an immediate left. This is before reaching the above mention fork. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Richard V. Byrd

Richard I have a plan of the cemetery, but it does not identify the Old Oak Section. However the section directly past the office is is fronted by a large tree planted in a circle. Deeper in that section are the graves of: Hon Thomas Bennett Langdon Cheves Gen Arthur Manigault Robert Barwell Rhett Horace L. Hunley and Wahington Light Infantry memorial. This version of the cemetery plan was used with a guided tour that featured VIPs, so I could send you locations of a dozen others if that would help. John Bowen Richard & Jeannette Byrd wrote: > List Members: > > Can anyone give me the approximate location of the Old Oak Section within > Magnolia Cemetery in Charleston? I am somewhat familiar with the layout. I > seem to remember 2 general areas of the cemetery. > > 1. Main area contains the Office. You proceed straight through the gate, and > in a short distance, the road forks. The right fork going by the Office. The > left fork takes you out on a small peninsula. > > 2. Area separated from the rest of the cemetery by a pond. You proceed > through the gate, and take an immediate left. This is before reaching the > above mention fork. > > Your help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank You, > Richard V. Byrd > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ====

This is off of my PALMER list, and thought you would find it as interesting as I did. A little more insight in to the life and times of our ancestors.......Judy ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I was asked about the use of sawdust as road covering in the late 1800's and did some research. I thought I would share these interesting findings. Enjoy - Rita Oconto County WIGenWeb Project Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiconto/ Question: Many years ago I became interested in the various fires that occured in the Old Northwest during 1871 and remember reading that many logging camps and larger towns actually paved their streets with sawdust from the mills so that people could walk them with out getting muddy during and after rains. Certainly a very bad idea but a excellent explanation as to why these town "went up" like gunpowder kegs. Can you confirm or deny that this practice did occur? Thank you, any reply would be greatly appreciated. - K. P. Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah Answer: That is absolutely correct. The practice goes back to colonial days, but it wasn't until manufacturing wood during the "Industrial Revolution" that there was a large enough amount of sawdust to become a problem. Unlike now when sawdust is used in pressed wood products and some paper manufacturing, sawdust was just a waste byproduct of milling lumber. A BIG byproduct. At first they simply dumped it into the rivers and streams the powered the mills. It would then travel to the mouth of the rivers and totally clog the bays of the upper Great Lakes. This made shipping impossible and that meant the lumber could not be shipped to other places. There are old letter and diaries with descriptions of sawdust being so thick along the beaches and bays the you could walk out on the floating matts (also not a real safe practice). They burned the bark and scaps, that would not make shims and such small usables, in huge tall coneshaped metal stuctures with open tops and at night the workers would sit out on the front porches of their cottages with the family and watch the glowing red burners against the inky black sky until bedtime. But the sawdust remained a huge problem. It was highly combustable and not suited for burners as it would also set the surrounding area on fire with sparks traveling on the wind. Someone came up with the idea of laying down sawdust on the muddy town roads. Then you could not only walk on the knee-deep mud, but the sawdust was also "worked into" the mud by traffic to make a kind of improved surface for wagon and carriage wheels. And it was free for the hauling. Since the most concentrated traffic was in the towns, villages and settlements, this was seen as a big improvement. Just the other day, right here, I noticed that sawdust from logging off land for development was used on the mud to make a road inland for the heavy trucks. It was very successful and took the weight of many vehicles without getting muddy. This sawdust was also used in logging camps so the mud from the bare ground didn't impede transportation. It was truly dangerous by today's standards, and even more dangerous, but absolutely neccessary, by yesterday's standards. There were also no building codes back then and all the wood structures were put up fast and close together, often wall to wall. With lamp oil, wood stoves, fireplaces, candles, and various fuels being used and stored all over, women and men wearing lots of cotton clothing, and lots of smoking materials, open fires, sparks from steam engines (trains, threshers, boats, etc), campfires of hunters, brush burning, smokehouses for curing meats, bondfires for newly cleared land, open fires for making soap, scalding fowl and rendering lard, lightening, back burning, etc. you can only imagine how dangerous life was with all that sawdust around. Even circuses used sawdust all around and inside the tents as temporary flooring, and the tents were lit with open, burning torches attached to the wood mainpoles. That would give me bigger thrills and chills than any caged Tiger. Hope this answers your question. Thanks for writing. Rita - Oconto County WIGenWeb

Searching for any ancesters or descandants of Henry ( Heinrick) BEHRENS Henry Behrens , born 3/8/1832 Hanover German, died June 9, 1909 married : Mary Henritt Augusta SCHMIDT March 9, 1862 , St Matthews Lutheran Church, Chas., S.C. I have hit one of those brick walls . So I am trying to find out if any of the Behrens listed below might be connected to my BEHRENS ancesters . Does any one have any information regarding the following BEHRENS : Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit MINNIE BEHRENS 12 Jul 1904 May 1978 29407 (Charleston, Charleston, SC) 29407 (Charleston, Charleston, SC) LINDA BEHRENS 16 Dec 1954 19 Jun 2000 29455 (Johns Island, Charleston, SC) (none specified) RUFUS BEHRENS 13 Jul 1897 Jan 1987 29403 (Charleston, Charleston, SC) 29403 (Charleston, Charleston, SC) CHRISTIAN BEHRENS 26 Jul 1907 15 May 1994 29407 (Charleston, Charleston, SC) (none specified) DELLA BEHRENS 25 Feb 1896 Nov 1969 29403 (Charleston, Charleston, SC) (none specified) WALTER BEHRENS 30 Oct 1909 05 Feb 1988 29483 (Summerville, Dorchester, SC) (none specified) FERN BEHRENS 09 Jun 1912 23 Aug 1997 29485 (Summerville, Dorchester, SC) (none specified) Any information on the BEHRENS surname , will be a great help. Thank you, CJK1043@aol.com

Bill, Thank you for doing this for me, Betty

Robert Missroon I am afraid there is no connection - I do not have your names in my file My grandmother married Dr. Edward PARKER in Charleston after my grandfather died. Frost Prioleau Piedmont, CA hfrost@prioleau.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rsroon@aol.com> To: <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] Medway Plantation (& Prioleau) > Mike, > > I saw your posts regarding Medway and asking about relationships to the > Parkers in Charleston. My great-great grandmother was Anna Caroline Parker. > She was the daughter of Charles Parker and Anne Ashe Legare. Charles was the > son of Dr. Charles Parker and Mary Elizabeth Rutledge. I would be interested > in knowing if any of your Parkers are related to mine. > > Robert Missroon > Savannah, GA > Rsroon@aol.com > > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > >

Betty; In 1852: Alex Haig, Planter, St. Andrew's Parish, res. Ashley St. George Haig, Planter, St. Andrew's Parish, res. Rutledge St. Ward 6 H.M. Haig, Physician, St. Andrew's Parish, res. 20 Meeting St. Bill Nell PSI4E@aol.com wrote: > Hi Bill, > I think the directory for 1852 would be best since I am looking for > addresses and type of business for My GtGt grandfather Alexander Richie Haig > who died 1855. > If you come across other directories I really would appreciate if you > see anything on > Gt. Grandfather Alexander Richie Haig died 1907. > Gt Gt Gt Hezekiah Maham Haig died 1840. > GT Gt Gt Gt george Haig died 1790 > > Thanks a million, Bill > Betty > > ==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > Lots of holdings on Charleston County Families > South Carolina Historical Society > http://www.schistory.org

Mike, I saw your posts regarding Medway and asking about relationships to the Parkers in Charleston. My great-great grandmother was Anna Caroline Parker. She was the daughter of Charles Parker and Anne Ashe Legare. Charles was the son of Dr. Charles Parker and Mary Elizabeth Rutledge. I would be interested in knowing if any of your Parkers are related to mine. Robert Missroon Savannah, GA Rsroon@aol.com

Hi Frost, I can't tell you much about the plantation since it has been about 20 years since I was there. I did not get to see the house but was told there was one. I was there on an archery hunt as a guest. I'm sorry I can't be of any more help. My wife would like to know if you are related to any Parker's in Charleston. She use to work for Dr. Telfair Parker. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Frost Prioleau <hfrost@prioleau.com> To: SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com <SCCHARLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [SCCHARLE] Medway Plantation (& Prioleau) >Mike O'Neale > >Thanks for the information about another "Medway Plantation" between >Charleston and Savannah. This may solve the mystery ! Can you tell me more >specifically where it is ? Is it an old building now being lived in ? Thanks > >PS - My parents were from Charleston - I just married a California girl ! > >Frost Prioleau >Piedmont, CA >hfrost@prioleau.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael O'Neale" <moneale@awod.com> > >> I must let you know that there is a medway >> plantation between Charleston,S.C. and Savanah,Ga. I have been to it on >> several occasions. If we may be of any help to you in your research, just >> let us know. My family has been in the Charleston area since the 1700's. >> Good luck, Mike ! PS Prioleau is a local name in Charleston also. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frost Prioleau <hfrost@prioleau.com> >> > >> >I bought and read the interesting book "Medway" by Virginia Christian >Beach >> >that you recommended. >> > >> >It contains a listing of all previous Medway owners, from Thomas SMITH >> >(1684), to HYRNE (1701), to others, to MARION (1827), to STONEY (1833), >to >> >LEGENDRE (1829). >> > >> >My records show that Medway was bought by Rev. Elias PRIOLEAU around 1695 >> >and stayed in the PRIOLEAU family until around 1880. I thought Col. >Samuel >> >(1690-1752), Col. Samuel (1717-1792), Samuel (1742-1813) and Martha >> >PRIOLEAU(1745-1875) all used Medway and most of them were buried there. >> > >> >Are there two Medways ? Can anyone clear up this confusion ? > > > >==== SCCHARLE Mailing List ==== > > > >

Mike O'Neale Thanks for the information about another "Medway Plantation" between Charleston and Savannah. This may solve the mystery ! Can you tell me more specifically where it is ? Is it an old building now being lived in ? Thanks PS - My parents were from Charleston - I just married a California girl ! Frost Prioleau Piedmont, CA hfrost@prioleau.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O'Neale" <moneale@awod.com> > I must let you know that there is a medway > plantation between Charleston,S.C. and Savanah,Ga. I have been to it on > several occasions. If we may be of any help to you in your research, just > let us know. My family has been in the Charleston area since the 1700's. > Good luck, Mike ! PS Prioleau is a local name in Charleston also. > -----Original Message----- > From: Frost Prioleau <hfrost@prioleau.com> > > > >I bought and read the interesting book "Medway" by Virginia Christian Beach > >that you recommended. > > > >It contains a listing of all previous Medway owners, from Thomas SMITH > >(1684), to HYRNE (1701), to others, to MARION (1827), to STONEY (1833), to > >LEGENDRE (1829). > > > >My records show that Medway was bought by Rev. Elias PRIOLEAU around 1695 > >and stayed in the PRIOLEAU family until around 1880. I thought Col. Samuel > >(1690-1752), Col. Samuel (1717-1792), Samuel (1742-1813) and Martha > >PRIOLEAU(1745-1875) all used Medway and most of them were buried there. > > > >Are there two Medways ? Can anyone clear up this confusion ?