I am searcing for a program for archiving my digital images - but I specifically want to be able to input a fairly long description & then be able to search the archive via a keyword search. Does anyone have any suggestions what program will do this? Shari

Try coating tombstones with foam shaving cream and carefully wiping it off to reveal lettering. It has worked for me. Steve "E.Rodier" <[email protected]> wrote:Lighting documents is a challenge with or without flash, inside or out. Be sure to experiment at home with similar items. A Sony camera with memory stick can be used along with a Sony Clie (Palm OS) to view larger digital pictures on the handheld device before leaving a source that might be difficult to visit. Card from another camera fits in Pocket PC. I prefer scanning most items that fit on the scanner glass, even keepsakes. A friend prefers to use a digital camera and copy stand with lights. If possible, try the same items different ways -- flash, available room light, near window, portable lights or outside. Unexpected problem at the cemetery last weekend was a thick layer of ice on a flat stone. Each photo trip seems to have a unique challenge. Some stones show lettering better after a rain, grass needs to be trimmed, bushes in the way, morning or afternoon sun. Heritage home was easily found but hidden behind a high wall with a locked door beside the sidewalk, no high vantage point. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Anderson" > And some will not allow the use of a flash on old documents so you might > need to have a light source. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E.Rodier" > > Some archives charge the photocopy rate for each digital picture taken and > > some do not allow cameras at all. Ask in advance when planning a trip. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

And some will not allow the use of a flash on old documents so you might need to have a light source. Bob Anderson at Apple Valley, Minnesota [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Rodier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [SP] Digital camera software > Some archives charge the photocopy rate for each digital picture taken and > some do not allow cameras at all. Ask in advance when planning a trip. > Elizabeth >

Lighting documents is a challenge with or without flash, inside or out. Be sure to experiment at home with similar items. A Sony camera with memory stick can be used along with a Sony Clie (Palm OS) to view larger digital pictures on the handheld device before leaving a source that might be difficult to visit. Card from another camera fits in Pocket PC. I prefer scanning most items that fit on the scanner glass, even keepsakes. A friend prefers to use a digital camera and copy stand with lights. If possible, try the same items different ways -- flash, available room light, near window, portable lights or outside. Unexpected problem at the cemetery last weekend was a thick layer of ice on a flat stone. Each photo trip seems to have a unique challenge. Some stones show lettering better after a rain, grass needs to be trimmed, bushes in the way, morning or afternoon sun. Heritage home was easily found but hidden behind a high wall with a locked door beside the sidewalk, no high vantage point. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Anderson" > And some will not allow the use of a flash on old documents so you might > need to have a light source. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E.Rodier" > > Some archives charge the photocopy rate for each digital picture taken and > > some do not allow cameras at all. Ask in advance when planning a trip.

Some archives charge the photocopy rate for each digital picture taken and some do not allow cameras at all. Ask in advance when planning a trip. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "RaynLois" > Last year some good friends of mine took a genealogical research trip to > Georgia (where he was born). They knew beforehand many, many documents they > wanted to photocopy. On arriving they were shocked to learn that the state > charged $1 per photocopy - and they wanted almost a hundred!

Is there anyone with experience of using a Digital Camera to take photographs of Old Church Records. I cant us a flat bed scanner as the record books would not stand up to the handling. What I need to finish up with is a Black on White image. The subject matter is quite often on discoloured paper and in various colours of ink. On a flat bed scanner you can set the parameters to B &W diagram or FAX and the required effect is achieved. Does anyone know if this can be done using a Digital Camera on the Fly so to speak? I have managed so far by taking each Photograph in turn, importing it into Paperport or Paintshop Pro and applying various filters etc. to achieve the final picture. This is a time consuming process and it would help if it could be done direct from the Camera. I have been using borrowed Cannon G2 and G3 cameras and am looking to purchase one that will do the job. Bob KIRK Dukinfield Cheshire

Bob, Try saving the digital camera pictures as 2 color TIF using Paint Shop Pro batch conversion. I prefer 16 color grey scale uncompressed TIF for a set of newspaper clippings. Contrast can be increased and still keep the uneven shading of the lettering. Sony digital camera pictures can be taken in Black & White, haven't checked for two color. -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kirk" > I have managed so far by taking each Photograph in turn, importing it into > Paperport or Paintshop Pro and applying various filters etc. to achieve the > final picture. This is a time consuming process and it would help if it > could be done direct from the Camera.

By "roll" film, I guess you are writing with the 120/620 or larger films in mind. Canon do have a scanner that will scan slides and negatives up to 4" x 5". How well it does that I don't know, as I don't have one. But it is certainly possible to scan such sizes apparently. Read about the Canon D2400UF at: http://www.canon.com.au/products/scanners/scanners_low_medium_volume/can oscand2400uf_specs.html Lance -----Original Message----- From: E.Rodier [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 12:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SP] New scanner Scanners with SCSI cards still have a home here, though not yet attached to the recently modified dual boot computer with ME & XP Pro. A SCSI conversion cable was expensive but allowed a favorite older scanner to be used with a computer without a SCSI card installed. Size of the scan area was one consideration. In an actual test, the old 35mm slide scanner produced better images than the snapshot size transparency feature of a newer scanner. Film scanners may allow multiple slides and cut film but not roll film (or microfilm.) -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" > (My old Microtec E6, was scsi and the old card didn't fit into my new > computer so it was a good excuse to upgrade) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003

Last year some good friends of mine took a genealogical research trip to Georgia (where he was born). They knew beforehand many, many documents they wanted to photocopy. On arriving they were shocked to learn that the state charged $1 per photocopy - and they wanted almost a hundred! Fortunately they had a digital camera with them (a Nikon Coolpix). While one held the documents on a flat surface the other one clicked away. The only problem they had was the glare from old documents sealed in glassine envelopes - those they had to photocopy. The rest came out excellent. They figure the saved photocopy costs paid for a part of the camera. Ray At 1/17/2003 12:06 PM, you wrote: >Is there anyone with experience of using a Digital Camera to take >photographs of Old Church Records. I cant us a flat bed scanner as the >record books would not stand up to the handling. > >What I need to finish up with is a Black on White image. The subject matter >is quite often on discoloured paper and in various colours of ink. On a >flat bed scanner you can set the parameters to B &W diagram or FAX and the >required effect is achieved. > >Does anyone know if this can be done using a Digital Camera on the Fly so to >speak? > >I have managed so far by taking each Photograph in turn, importing it into >Paperport or Paintshop Pro and applying various filters etc. to achieve the >final picture. This is a time consuming process and it would help if it >could be done direct from the Camera. > >I have been using borrowed Cannon G2 and G3 cameras and am looking to >purchase one that will do the job. > > >Bob KIRK >Dukinfield >Cheshire

I have had some luck using a camera to photograph old documents and items in scrapbooks that can't be removed or are too big. Most come out quite well although there have been a few that I screwed up on, mainly by not using a tripod. I have a Nikon 995. I download the images directly into my camera via the PCIMA (?) slot (have too many USB thingies and find this is really easy) right into My Pictures. From there I just print them out. I have not had to work with them at all, but then I just to see how they came out. I have not use them in any documents so would probably use either Paint Shop Pro V7 or Photoshop Elements if I needed to. I was especially glad that I had a camera along when the opportunity came up to copy the family bible that was very fragile. The photos came out great. Of course I usually don't need to use a flash so on occasion the image is an off color but I am not really fussing about that at least at the time and figure I can play with them later on if need be. I have done some experimenting at the local FHC trying to copy out roll images directly from the reader. I usually just buy a copy. Haven't had much luck there trying to get the whole thing in one shot and still be readable but then I really haven't played with that in a while. Just my two cents Kathy

Wow...good information flowing here! But I have a concern...could you please remember that all of this is useful and will be put in the archives for future use...and is only searchable if the subject is nicely explicit! Keep up the conversation, it's great! Ann Winder Listowner of Winder-L, Sifford-L, Scanners-Photos-L Homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~annieron

One of the "essential" features of image editing software is an option to set the rotation in increments of less than half a degree, preferably hundredths. Basic software supplied with an album program or genealogy program might allow 90 degree rotation. Simple image software supplied with a scanner or digital camera might allow rotation in one degree steps and have very simple touchup tools. Good software allows the scanned image on the screen to be rotated until it is straight when closely cropped to the desired area, "clarified" and then saved at the right size with an appropriate file extension. A one button "clarify" or "quick-fix" improves an image more than a lengthy session of changing brightness, contrast and unsharp mask. I'm saving items like newspaper clippings as 256 grey scale then 16 color uncompressed TIF. That choice is made with the full knowledge that some programs used for family history do not allow TIF images of any kind. The original item could be crooked or the placement on the scanner glass could be variable depending on the shape and size of the original. A set of crooked snapshots might not be any worse than the originals but a set of crooked newspaper clippings at angles of half a degree or more would look untidy. -- Elizabeth

The size of your hard drive helps, but it is the amount of available RAM, your CPU size, and the number of programs running at the time, that will affect any activity on your computer. Graphics card too, will play a big part in showing a rather large file. These are just some of the variables that can affect your computer when viewing graphic images. Lance -----Original Message----- From: Elaine [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SP] Image freezing Lance, I have 20 GB on my computer and haven't even begun to fill it up completely. As for my brother, I told him the same thing that you said. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [SP] Image freezing > What could be causing the "freezing" of the computer is the actual > "size" of the image attachment, and whether it is in BMP or JPG format. > Your CPU and available RAM may not be sufficient to open it. Try > shutting down as many other running programs that you can and see if it > will open then. As for AOL, well they are a law unto themselves and your > brother would be better of using another service (just my opinion). > > Lance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 7:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SP] Help please. > > Because when people send me attachments of photos many times they freeze > the > computer when you open them. My brother asked that he not be sent any > attachments anymore as it does the same thing to his computer. I > thought it > was because he is on AOL and that always causes trouble. But then it > began > doing it on mine also. I don't want to cause that problem for others. > They also carry viruses but my Norton catches them. > L. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003 > > > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003

120 negatives require a transparent media adaptor which is sometimes built into the lid of a scanner, either a snapshot size area or a full lid. Not the best choice for a high volume of 35mm film or slides. There are other variations in film scanners. Some require short strips of film so that a few frames can be scanned from each cut end, and one slide at a time. Others allow a whole uncut roll of 35mm film to be placed in a slot. APS film can be scanned by using a special attachment that removes the film, scans the roll without touching and replaces the film in the container. Elizabeth in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance" > By "roll" film, I guess you are writing with the 120/620 or larger films > in mind. Canon do have a scanner that will scan slides and negatives up > to 4" x 5".

What could be causing the "freezing" of the computer is the actual "size" of the image attachment, and whether it is in BMP or JPG format. Your CPU and available RAM may not be sufficient to open it. Try shutting down as many other running programs that you can and see if it will open then. As for AOL, well they are a law unto themselves and your brother would be better of using another service (just my opinion). Lance -----Original Message----- From: Elaine [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 7:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SP] Help please. Because when people send me attachments of photos many times they freeze the computer when you open them. My brother asked that he not be sent any attachments anymore as it does the same thing to his computer. I thought it was because he is on AOL and that always causes trouble. But then it began doing it on mine also. I don't want to cause that problem for others. They also carry viruses but my Norton catches them. L. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003

My ISP limits the size of e-mails, including attachments, to 4mb. Sending pictures, especially in BMP, are usually very large files and if they are allowed by the ISP take a long time to receive, especially on a dial-up connection. While the image is being received it appears that the computer is froze-up, patience is needed. My two cents... > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 7:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SP] Help please. > > Because when people send me attachments of photos many times they freeze > the > computer when you open them. My brother asked that he not be sent any > attachments anymore as it does the same thing to his computer. I > thought it > was because he is on AOL and that always causes trouble. But then it > began > doing it on mine also. I don't want to cause that problem for others. > They also carry viruses but my Norton catches them. > L. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003 > > >

Ray, You won't necessarily get greater resolution from scanning slides or film than from scanning prints. Whether you do or not depends mostly on the size of the original and the resolution of the scanner. For example if scanning an 8x10 print at 600 dpi you will get much higher resolution than if scanning a 1x1 inch negative at 2400 dpi. However...what will be much better when scanning film or slides rather than prints are the dynamic range and the contrast. GS >From: RaynLois <[email protected]> > >Scanning slides/negatives provides much greater resolution than scanning >from prints. ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Hi to all It is my understanding that if the size of the attachment, is too large, (this is not unusual with pictures or a lot of grpahics), that the computer will take so long to load the attachment that it appears as if the computer is frozen. The less memory and the slower the spedd of the processor will make it appear worse. Lionel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [SP] Help please. > Thank you ,Elaine,for the answer as to why not attachments. I've never had > this happen and I have a large fireproof safe full to brimming with pictures > of anscestors many of which I got by the cousins sharing through e-mail.I do > have to print them off and save that way because they load the computer too > much.You may need more drive room can you upgrade with a chip.This may > happen to me some time but I hope not. > Deana Smith >

Hi I am about to purchase a new PC with XP Home Edition as it's OS. I have an HP ScanJet 5370C currently "attached" to Win98.There will not be any problem getting a new driver and therefore making things compatible, will there? With thanks Garry

Scanners with SCSI cards still have a home here, though not yet attached to the recently modified dual boot computer with ME & XP Pro. A SCSI conversion cable was expensive but allowed a favorite older scanner to be used with a computer without a SCSI card installed. Size of the scan area was one consideration. In an actual test, the old 35mm slide scanner produced better images than the snapshot size transparency feature of a newer scanner. Film scanners may allow multiple slides and cut film but not roll film (or microfilm.) -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" > (My old Microtec E6, was scsi and the old card didn't fit into my new > computer so it was a good excuse to upgrade)