Paint Shop Photo Album 4 loaded without any unusual messages and I'll try it this weekend with a set of images collected for a friend's family history project. Another Jasc program called After Shot was removed first. Paint Shop Pro 8 CD-ROM version has been shipped but not yet received. Before spending much time on *any* image organization method, it is a good idea to see what is required to move files to a different computer (backup & restore,) move caption details to a different album product and use the images in a family project. Family Tree Maker 10 scrapbooks with *inserted* images are used to print my family pictures with captions and provide pictures for family books-in-progress. Legacy 4 Deluxe and Family Origins 10 are used occasionally to print one tiny *linked* image for each person in a descendant report. Those programs are not used to print wall charts. Zone Alarm and Add Subtract were both turned off for the loading of Jasc Paint Shop Album. Anti-Virus software works on request, not running continuously in the background. Windows XP requires some programs to be loaded by the "Administrator." It is easier to use image programs from the same company because they are designed to work together. I've tried and removed various programs from Adobe, Ulead and others that were incomplete or slower to use than PSP. It is hard to make a fair comparison between the new version of a familiar product and a completely different one. Jasc programs are available in local stores and telephone orders are shipped from a Canadian location. -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susanne Hackbarth" > Has anyone tried PSP's album, trial or otherwise. I downloaded > and installed it, and then got the opening screen, 'do you want > to register now', I have 30 days to try. That is all I got. The > program won't open.

This bugs me too!! I have a HP 5100C and used it with Win95 & Win98. Also had Caere OmniPro Page 8 character recognition. With the new XP the drivers will operate the scanner, but I've lost my OmniPro. Bummer! Harold Williams [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Rodier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: [SP] older scanners and XP Pro > A second computer was set up with a choice of ME or XP Pro at startup. Theere > plan is to try it with older equipment that does not work with XP. One of > the combinations is an older version of Optical Character Recognition and > Microtek E3 which has a larger glass area and a Transparent Media Adaptor. > > Early copies of UK source documents were scanned with a page scanner but it > hasn't been hooked up in years. Recent UK source documents cannot be scanned > or photocopied to look like the original. -- Elizabeth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Kirk" > > I used to use an HP Scanjet 4S for this perpose but HP refused to issue an > > updated driver for use with Windows XP, and so a really good piece of kit > > lies idle. > > ______________________________

--=======29F34E99======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-10BE7250; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have recently bought this scanner and am happy with it but can't comment on the image software that comes with it (Photoshop Elements) as I haven't tried it yet. I've been using Paint Shop Pro and haven't had time to explore another program. The OCR software it comes with is not so good unless I just can't find the right entry point. You can't seem to put a book in sideways and get it to OCR. However I've found there is OCR stuff in my Office package and that works well with the scanner so I'll forget the software that came with the scanner. Can't comment on copy facility as I haven't used it. Cathy At 16:37 2/05/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, I am looking for a new scanner. I am leaning towards the Epson >Perfection 2400 Photo Scanner because of it slide and film handling >abilities. What are some of the pros and cons of this scanner. Thanks, Tom --=======29F34E99=======--

> Has anyone tried PSP's album, trial or otherwise. I downloaded > and installed it, and then got the opening screen, 'do you want > to register now', I have 30 days to try. That is all I got. The > program won't open. > Sorry folks. After I sent my note, I tried accessing the program again. It was accessible. It doesn't compare to PhotoShop's Album. Susanne

> I've been using Paint Shop Pro and haven't had time to > explore another program. My son was telling me that Paint Shop Pro 8 is available, so thought I would check it out on the web. I will order the box version on Monday. I saw their Album, trial version, so downloaded that to compare to PhotoShops that I bought last week end. That is a terrific program. I am sure PSP's is just as good. No advertising intended. I have been a registered user of both programs for many years. Has anyone tried PSP's album, trial or otherwise. I downloaded and installed it, and then got the opening screen, 'do you want to register now', I have 30 days to try. That is all I got. The program won't open. I know I might be off-topic, but I can't access newsgroups for some unexplained reason after many years of being able to, to inquire about this PSP Album program problem. Susanne, So. California

Sherry, Been down that path with Umax (my first scanner and last Umax item I ever purchase) so I well understand. Elaine I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell. --Harry S. Truman Hello Sherry On Friday, May 2, 2003, you wrote > Elaine, > I'm tired -it's been along day... > it's not Windows that it doesn't work with - it's the printer - an HP > PhotoSmart P1000. I contacted NewSoft, the producer of the software for the > scanner and they said that there are several printers that some of the > feature of their software doesn't work with. I was able to find a freeware > "copy" program that works magnificently. > I originally had problems installing the software to begin with and had to > uninstall it, run a registry cleaning program and then install a WinXP patch > before I could install the software again. Bleah. > But I really like the scanner! It beats my old Umax 2100U by a mile and > there's SUPPORT for it (unlike Umax - I can't begin to tell you how many > emails I sent for support with that scanner and never received as much as an > acknowledgement!) > Sherry

I am not using this particular scanner, but noticed your comments about its copy feature. I use the Visioneer 8100 which has a one-button copy. When I bought a new computer using XP-Home, I downloaded the Visioneer programming from its website (it includes PaperPort) and with some finagling the one-touch monitor has enabled the scanner's copy feature and it works well with direct copies to a Lexmark printer. I wasn't successful using the feature before so this was an added pleasure. I am not using the physical buttons on the scanner, instead am using the on screen "one touch monitor" features (just in case there is any similarity in programming features). You might try obtaining updated software from the vendor and that might possibly help enable the copy feature on your scanner. Good luck! Elaine The great thing in this world is not so much where you stand, as in what direction you are moving. --Oliver Wendell Holmes Hello Sherry On Friday, May 2, 2003, you wrote > I'm not familiar with the 2400 but I have the 1660 and have been very happy > with the scanner itself. Software leaves something to be desired - the Copy > feature doesn't work on WinXP. > The scanner is rather noisy... > Sherry

Elaine, I'm tired -it's been along day... it's not Windows that it doesn't work with - it's the printer - an HP PhotoSmart P1000. I contacted NewSoft, the producer of the software for the scanner and they said that there are several printers that some of the feature of their software doesn't work with. I was able to find a freeware "copy" program that works magnificently. I originally had problems installing the software to begin with and had to uninstall it, run a registry cleaning program and then install a WinXP patch before I could install the software again. Bleah. But I really like the scanner! It beats my old Umax 2100U by a mile and there's SUPPORT for it (unlike Umax - I can't begin to tell you how many emails I sent for support with that scanner and never received as much as an acknowledgement!) Sherry -----Original Message----- From: ETM (State of Virginia) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SP] Scanner I am not using this particular scanner, but noticed your comments about its copy feature. I use the Visioneer 8100 which has a one-button copy. When I bought a new computer using XP-Home, I downloaded the Visioneer programming from its website (it includes PaperPort) and with some finagling the one-touch monitor has enabled the scanner's copy feature and it works well with direct copies to a Lexmark printer. I wasn't successful using the feature before so this was an added pleasure. I am not using the physical buttons on the scanner, instead am using the on screen "one touch monitor" features (just in case there is any similarity in programming features). You might try obtaining updated software from the vendor and that might possibly help enable the copy feature on your scanner. Good luck! Elaine The great thing in this world is not so much where you stand, as in what direction you are moving. --Oliver Wendell Holmes Hello Sherry On Friday, May 2, 2003, you wrote > I'm not familiar with the 2400 but I have the 1660 and have been very > happy with the scanner itself. Software leaves something to be > desired - the Copy feature doesn't work on WinXP. > The scanner is rather noisy... > Sherry

I'm not familiar with the 2400 but I have the 1660 and have been very happy with the scanner itself. Software leaves something to be desired - the Copy feature doesn't work on WinXP. The scanner is rather noisy... Sherry -----Original Message----- From: T. Risinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SP] Scanner Hi, I am looking for a new scanner. I am leaning towards the Epson Perfection 2400 Photo Scanner because of it slide and film handling abilities. What are some of the pros and cons of this scanner. Thanks, Tom

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Elizabeth said "The letter size scanner glass is not long enough to scan oversize family history source documents as a single image and those sometimes have to be combined from two scans or taken to a copy service with larger equipment." For longer documents I use a Visioneer Strobe Pro sheet feed scanner. It can accomodate documents upto 20 inches long by 81/2" wide. I import them into Paperport software and then export them as any type of file I wish for subsequent editing. Paperport is ideal for picking out detail and removing the background etc found on old documents. I used to use an HP Scanjet 4S for this perpose but HP refused to issue an updated driver for use with Windows XP, and so a really good piece of kit lies idle. Bob KIRK Dukinfield Cheshire Http://KirkSoft.co.uk http://www.fhsc.org.uk/dukinfield.htm Interests Are: KIRK (Crewe & Manchester) DAWSON (Manchester)

A second computer was set up with a choice of ME or XP Pro at startup. The plan is to try it with older equipment that does not work with XP. One of the combinations is an older version of Optical Character Recognition and Microtek E3 which has a larger glass area and a Transparent Media Adaptor. Early copies of UK source documents were scanned with a page scanner but it hasn't been hooked up in years. Recent UK source documents cannot be scanned or photocopied to look like the original. -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kirk" > I used to use an HP Scanjet 4S for this perpose but HP refused to issue an > updated driver for use with Windows XP, and so a really good piece of kit > lies idle.

Elizabeth, what is the difference between student versions and the regular versions? Are there less features? I have heard that usually the student versions are the same but at a lower cost. Just curious, have seen them advertised on ebay. Am looking for a book producing program like quark express or pagemaker, have Paint Shop Pro v7 as well as adobe photo shop elements. Kathy

Jake, Which program do you personally use on an affordable home computer to scan dozens of family pictures or source documents when there is a goal of including 100 or more images in a book report? I'm interested in privately published family histories and budget-priced community books published locally, not coffee table art books printed in a remote country. Packaged Paint Shop Pro 7 with a 495 page printed manual is advertised for $109 on the Jasc web site with a $99 download version of 56 mb for the public Beta of PSP 8. Photoshop 7 is advertised as a 237 mb download for $609 US dollars, plugins, training and support appear to be additional order items. "Lite" versions of Adobe products seem to be incomplete -- designed to convince buyers to pay for the whole version. The PSP manual, online mailing lists and courses are more likely to cover the artistic uses of image products. Researchers who scanned large sets of family pictures for wall charts, books and continuing genealogy databases had to learn the essential features by trial and error. Some researchers have had problems moving sets of pictures from one computer to another. At one time, I had 25,000 JPG images on a single hard drive. I use oval heads cropped from group pictures with original sizes varying from 35mm half frame slides to framed portraits. The letter size scanner glass is not long enough to scan oversize family history source documents as a single image and those sometimes have to be combined from two scans or taken to a copy service with larger equipment. A graphics artist who uses image editing products as part of a full time job will make different choices than a family historian with thousands of family pictures ready to be shared as e-mail attachments. -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- > I have Photoshop 7 and Paint Shop Pro 7 with PSP8 on order. I like both > programs. They both have their plus and minus points as all programs do.

Jake Thnaks for the tip re Photoshop training website but the correct address is www.vtc.com . Just sending the correction to help others who might be having problems. Ron Davies Surrey, BC At 07:26 AM 4/23/03 -0700, [email protected] wrote: >I have Photoshop 7 and Paint Shop Pro 7 with PSP8 on order. I like both >programs. They both have their plus and minus points as all programs do. >For repair of photos, Photoshop is head and shoulders above anything I >have experienced. Send me an old photo that needs repair as an attachment >and I will show you what can be done. You can get online tutorials for >both, but www.vtco.com has training CDs for Photoshop that are excellant. > >Jake

Which program are you willing to learn and keep up-to-date? My choice is Paint Shop Pro with the current public Beta loaded and the CD-ROM version on order. The full version of Photoshop is very expensive for people who have to pay for their own software and do not qualify for a student version. Local man who took a course in Photoshop was able to buy the student version but hasn't upgraded after several years. He uses an easier program most of the time. Paint Shop Pro does not need to have expensive classes. Local friends help eachother by phone or demonstrate at local meetings. PSP 7 runs quite well on an older laptop. -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa Vorwerk" > This seems like a good time & place to ask for opinions about whether a newbie would want to get started with Paint Shop Pro or with Photoshop. At the moment, my primary interest is in enhancing/repairing old photos, not very sophisticated, I realize. I don't know that I'll ever get into any website-related work, but I'm interested in producing CDs of photos related to my family history research.

This seems like a good time & place to ask for opinions about whether a newbie would want to get started with Paint Shop Pro or with Photoshop. At the moment, my primary interest is in enhancing/repairing old photos, not very sophisticated, I realize. I don't know that I'll ever get into any website-related work, but I'm interested in producing CDs of photos related to my family history research. I'd like to hear opinions about user-friendliness of the two programs, and availability of live instructional classes. Without having done a careful study, it appears that PSP may be more user friendly, but most classes offered seem to be for Photoshop. Looking forward to your responses, Elsa in Allegany County, Maryland

Good morning Elsa, I have Photoshop 7 and Paint Shop Pro 7 with PSP8 on order. I like both programs. They both have their plus and minus points as all programs do. For repair of photos, Photoshop is head and shoulders above anything I have experienced. Send me an old photo that needs repair as an attachment and I will show you what can be done. You can get online tutorials for both, but www.vtco.com has training CDs for Photoshop that are excellant. Jake > This seems like a good time & place to ask > for opinions about whether a newbie would > want to get started with Paint Shop Pro or > with Photoshop. At the moment, my primary > interest is in enhancing/repairing old photos, > not very sophisticated, I realize. I don't know > that I'll ever get into any website-related work, > but I'm interested in producing CDs of photos > related to my family history research. I'd like > to hear opinions about user-friendliness of the > two programs, and availability of live instructional > classes. Without having done a careful study, it > appears that PSP may be more user friendly, but > most classes offered seem to be for Photoshop. > > Looking forward to your responses, > > Elsa in Allegany County, Maryland

Thanks, Elizabeth. I can always depend on you for an answer to my questions. I just ordered the CD, too. Thanks, again! Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Rodier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [SP] Photo Shop Pro 8 > Downloaded PSP 8 public Beta with several updates and ordered the CD > version, has a few changes that I need to learn. PSP 7 still loaded. Found > this comparison on the Internet. -- Elizabeth > > "Until the advent of version 8 of JASC Paint Shop Pro, Adobe Photoshop was > capable of producing better quality JPG's for web and on-screen use, because > Photoshop disabled chroma subsampling at highest quality settings. As of > version 8, Paint Shop Pro moved ahead, offering the user full control of > chroma subsampling. Especially for web use where file size is crucial and > images are generally low resolution, Paint Shop Pro's greater flexibility is > a considerable asset." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martha Moss" > > I see that a newer version of PSP is coming out. Has anyone tried the > Beta version 8? If so, how do you like it? Is it much different from the > Anniversary edition? > > >

Downloaded PSP 8 public Beta with several updates and ordered the CD version, has a few changes that I need to learn. PSP 7 still loaded. Found this comparison on the Internet. -- Elizabeth "Until the advent of version 8 of JASC Paint Shop Pro, Adobe Photoshop was capable of producing better quality JPG's for web and on-screen use, because Photoshop disabled chroma subsampling at highest quality settings. As of version 8, Paint Shop Pro moved ahead, offering the user full control of chroma subsampling. Especially for web use where file size is crucial and images are generally low resolution, Paint Shop Pro's greater flexibility is a considerable asset." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Moss" > I see that a newer version of PSP is coming out. Has anyone tried the Beta version 8? If so, how do you like it? Is it much different from the Anniversary edition?