Looking for Craig Family connections to: 1) P118 Wm Craig, Protestant Irish Immigrant to SC by Jane Revill SC Council Journal 86, Part 2 p 222-223 8 Nov 1772 Wm Craig 300 acres = 5 members in family 2) Will; Date: 1793 C.; Description: CRAGE, ELANOR OR CRAIG, ELANOR OF LAURENS COUNTY, WILL TYPESCRIPT (1 FRAME) (MSS WILL: ESTATE RECORD BOOK A-1, PAGE 79); Names Indexed: CRAIG, ELANOR//CRAGE, ELANOR/CRAIG, WILLIAM/CRAGE, WILLIAM/CRAIG, JOHN///CRAGE, JOHN/CRAIG, JAMES/CRAGE, JAMES/LOGGAN, THOMAS/LOGON, THOMAS/HANNAH, ROBERT/; Locations: LAURENS COUNTY//WAGGON ROAD/ 3. Will: Date: 1843 C.; Description: CRAIG, JOHN OF LAURENS DISTRICT, WILL TYPESCRIPT (MSS WILL: BOOK A, PAGE 31; ESTATE PACKET: BDL 112, PKG 4) (2 FRAMES). ; Names Indexed: CRAIG, JOHN/CRAIG, WILLIAM/CRAIG, JANE E./CRAIG, JOHN B./BIRD, W. D./INLEW, ELIZABETH/VANCE, N. C./FOSTER/ANDERSON/BARE, DREW/CRAIG, THOMAS/CRAIG, ROBERT/RUTHERFORD, THOMAS B./NANCE, N. C./BYRD, W. D./MURELL, SAMUEL H./HARLAND, JANE/HARLAND, JOSEPH/CRAIG, GEORGE/LEWIS (SLAVE)/LUCINDA (SLAVE)/NAT (SLAVE)/GEINES (SLAVE)/JERRY (SLAVE)/ANNA (SLAVE)/JAMES (SLAVE)/CLARK (SLAVE)/CRAIG, WILLIAM PERRY/ISAAC (SLAVE)/CAROLINE (SLAVE)/LITTLE, THOMAS/JONES, LEWIS (SLAVE)/JONES, ELIZA (SLAVE)/CRAIG, SAMUEL J./SCINTHA (SLAVE); Locations: LAURENS DISTRICT/ 4. Will: Date: 1789; Description: CRAIG, JAMES OF CAMDEN DISTRICT, WILL TYPESCRIPT (ESTATE PACKET: CASE 54, FILE 2390) (2 FRAMES). ; Names Indexed: CRAIG, JAMES/CRAIG, HANNAH/SALLY (SLAVE)/CRAIG, JOHN/CRAIG, ROBERT/CRAIG, MARTHA/MCCOY, JAMES/BEN (SLAVE)/CRAIG, JEAN/CRAIG, WILLIAM/NEEL, THOMAS/CRAIG, SAMUEL/HOWE, DAVID/NEEL, ANDREW; Locations: CAMDEN DISTRICT/YORK COUNTY; Type: WILL (TYPESCRIPT)/ 5. Will: Date: 1825 C.; Description: CRAIG, WILLIAM OF LAURENS DISTRICT, WILL TYPESCRIPT (MSS WILL: ESTATE RECORD BOOK E, PAGE 480; ESTATE PACKET: BDL 13, PKG 2) (2 FRAMES). ; Names Indexed: CRAIG, WILLIAM//CRITTA (SLAVE)/MOLLY (SLAVE)/HARLEN, WILLIAM C./CINTHIA (SLAVE)/HARLEN, JANE E./SARAH (SLAVE)/ALEXANDER, WILLIAM ALEXANDERE/TEMPLETON, JOHN/BURKE, LEVI/DICK (SLAVE)/CRAIG, ROBERT/CRAIG, JOHN/CRAIG, THOMAS/JAKE (SLAVE)//LEWIS (SLAVE)/ISAAC (SLAVE)/SANDY (SLAVE)/MARY (SLAVE)/CRAIG, JAMES/PETER (SLAVE)/MONROE (SLAVE)/MARGET (SLAVE)/MIMA (SLAVE)/CRAIG, ELEANOR/SCOTT (SLAVE)/LIZA (SLAVE)/FRANK (SLAVE)/JEAN (SLAVE)/ABRAM (SLAVE)/PHILLIS (SLAVE); Locations: LAURENS DISTRICT//; Type: WILL (TYPESCRIPT)// 6. Will of Susanna Craig dated 1836 in Laurens Co., SC apparent wife of William Craig d 1825. There is also a connections to the Briggs family from NC to SC which is also connected about 1814-1819 via marriage. Samuel Craig m to Ruth Briggs. Samuel Craig and Ruth Briggs Craig migrated to Anderson District/Anderson County, SC between 1836 and 1850. Any Craig Family connectivity would be appreciated. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>

Try this: http://www.oursouthernancestors.com/skelton-001.html 2. WILLIAM2 SKELTON* (THOMAS1) was born Abt. 1773 in Union Co. SC, and died Aft. 1850 in Anderson Co. SC. He married MARTHA/MARY/POLLY CLARK, b. Abt. 1776 in ?. Look in Union Co. SC, daughter of DAVID CLARK who was the son of Bowling Clark and Winefred Buford (see Clark compilation at http://www.oursouthernancestors.com/clark-001.html Children of WILLIAM SKELTON and MARTHA/MARY/POLLY CLARK are: (Note: this list is not completely verified and will serve as a starting point for research.) 7. i. SOLOMAN3 SKELTON, b. Abt. 1793, Pendleton Dist, SC; d. February 11, 1866, Saline Co. IL. m. MILLY GENTRY. ii. DAUGHTER SKELTON, b. Abt. 1794. Name not known. iii. JEREMIAH SKELTON, b. Abt. 1797, Pendleton Dist, SC; d. April 03, 1858, Jackson Co. Ga..m. ANNA HUGHES. iv. WILLIAM SKELTON, b. Abt. 1798, Pendleton Dist, SC. m. ELEANOR LOOPER v. RICHARD SKELTON, b. Abt. 1800, Pendleton Dist, SC. vi. MARK KEENER SKELTON, b. 1805, Pendleton Dist, SC; d. 1870, Osceola, Mississippi Co, Arkansas. m. ELIZABETH HUSTON vii. ESTHER/EASTER/HETTY SKELTON*, b. Abt. 1812, near Union Co. SC; d. Gwinnett Co. Ga.; m. JAMES J. CAIN, January 15, 1829, Anderson Co. SC. See http://www.oursouthernancestors.com /cain-001.html for the John Manning Cain Family of Gwinnett County, Georgia viii ix. EWELL SKELTON (BABY). DAUGHTER SKELTON , name not known At 04:57 PM 02/19/2006, you wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Skelton, Ayers, Vernon, Clark, Solomon >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcB.2ACE/2640 > >Message Board Post: > >Below is my descent from Unknown Skelton. Can anyone make a >connection with any of my ancestors or allied families? I have >names of children of each ot the following Skeltons > >1. Unknown Skelton (Ca 1710/1720, VA? PA? - ?) > >2. Thomas Skelton (Before 1755, VA? -After 1828, Pendleton >District, SC) m. Sarah? Solomon?. > >3. William Skelton (Circa 1773/1776, Union Co., SC -After >1850, Anderson Co., SC) m. Martha/Mary (Polly) Clark. > >4. Thomas Asa Skelton (1822, Anderson Co., S\C -1885, Franklin >Co., GA ) m. Elizabeth R. Vernon > >5. James Robert Skelton (2/3/1848, Anderson Co., SC -1/4/1922, >Linden, TX) m. Altheah Caroline Ayers > >6. Lone Calep Skelton (2/5/1887, Franklin Co., GA -4/12/1970, Linden, TX) >m. Lena Belle Kasling > >7. James Edward Skelton (12/1/1934, Linden, TX) m. Margaret Morgan > >Jim Skelton > >tiff4219@zianet.com > > > >==== SCANDERS Mailing List ==== >Anderson County, South Carolina SCGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

The Anderson Independent Mail has obits archived starting Jan 1, 2000. I searched for Oddie and didn't find it from start to 12-31-2000, so maybe it was prior to 2000? Sorry not of more help Lindalee ----- Original Message ----- From: <deborahgarrett966@MSN.com> To: <SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: [SCAnderson] Mrs.Oddie Mae Garrett King obituary / cemetery look up > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcB.2ACE/2643 > > Message Board Post: > > > Can someone do a obituary look up for Mrs.Oddie Mae Garrett King ? She was born around 1911 and died sometime between August 1998 - Dec. 2002. This is narrow down by other family obituaries. > > > Also, I am looking for photos and information of the family of Mrs.Oddie Mae Garrett King. > > Please contact me at deborahgarrett966@msn.com > > > ==== SCANDERS Mailing List ==== > Anderson County, South Carolina SCGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcB.2ACE/2643 Message Board Post: Can someone do a obituary look up for Mrs.Oddie Mae Garrett King ? She was born around 1911 and died sometime between August 1998 - Dec. 2002. This is narrow down by other family obituaries. Also, I am looking for photos and information of the family of Mrs.Oddie Mae Garrett King. Please contact me at deborahgarrett966@msn.com

National Geographic "The Greatest Journey Ever Told, The Trail of Our DNA" March 2006. For those who participate in the Genographic Project per providing their DNA sample and getting their 12 marker DNA results they should read this article. When reading the article pay particular attention to the paragraph on page 73 which reads; "The Tribe's DNA is unlikely to yield any simple truths, at least in the short term. Native American groups like the Seaconke-Wampanoag have European and African as well as Native American ancestry. And as Theodore Schurr explains to those donating blood, "the initial results won't reveal a person's full heritage." They could point back to Metacomet's people-or to ancestors from another continent. "A fuller picture will emerge only after the project analyzes each person's full set of chromosomes and compares them with the Genographic Project's growing lode of DNA from other Groups." As some of us has been pointing out also, that the 12 marker results provided to the Genographic Project's participants, "the initial results won't reveal a person's full heritage" is just part of what it takes and requires to track a person's full heritage, "A fuller picture will emerge only after the project analyzes each person's full set of chromosomes and compares them with the Genographic Project's growing lode of DNA from other groups." Interesting that the article makes this type of quote but again never really quantifies in terms of DNA testing what a person's "full set of chromosomes" really is that is required in comparing to others. If you really understand DNA testing you know that it takes more than 12 markers to determine the "fuller picture." Another little bit of information for those participating in the role of DNA testing and what people tell others and don't tell others that is happening with their DNA. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcB.2ACE/2642 Message Board Post: Do you happen to have a list of current Palmetto Baptist Association member churches? gcgenweb@bellsouth.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sneed/Snead, Green, Sanders, Kemp, Howard, Hare Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/hcB.2ACE/2641 Message Board Post: Looking for any information on Anderson Sneed b) abt 1785 and married a lady named Easter Sanders. they had 2 sons named: William b) 1805 married Ann Speight 2. Anderson Sneed Jr. b) 1826. Anderson Sr and wife and jr moved to Georgia then to Florida. Any information on any Sneed/Sneads would help. Thanks, Michelle Sneed Ward

Go to the below sites by either clicking on the site or copying and pasting them in your browser. Take a little study on DNA mapping to get back to Africa or wherever you dead end in time. http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenclature_system/fig1.html<http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenclature_system/fig1.html> http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html<http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html> http://worldfamilies.net/y-haplogroups.htm<http://worldfamilies.net/y-haplogroups.htm> http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/1.htm<http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/1.htm> Just maybe this will show people how mapping your particular DNA back in time is much more complicated than just a 12 marker DNA test. A lot of 12 Marker DNA tests also do not give you the first step in your mapping process It often takes an SNP test to do this. About 20% of our Hendricks DNA participants had no typical route to a Haplotree marker without an SNP testing. Then a deep clades set of test to map further back in time. Then you may find you have a uniques set of results that has not been mapped. The results a brick wall until enough of a data base is collected and compared to continue mapping backward in the past. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>

To All, Please read the following quote: "Last year, in April (2005) the National Geographic Society threw its weight behind a distinctly 21st-century mapping effort: The Genographic Project. under the leadership of geneticist, Spencer Wells, its scientist will collect and analyze DNA of 100,000 people. By mapping the global distribution of genetic markers, they hope to develop a detailed picture of humanity's migration out of Africa." "Wells was a graduate student of population geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, who first linked the disciplines of genetics and geography, pioneering what he naturally termed "genetic geography." In a landmark letter published in Genomics in 1991, Cavalli-Sforza called for a "worldwide survey of human genomic diversity" fearing that just as science was coming into its own, the populations most in need of study were heading toward extinction. The idea transformed the Human Genomic Diversity Project (HDGP), a forerunner of Wells' effort, and the term "genetic geography" morphed into the quotable hybrid "genography." But the HDGP fizzled, and the term genography lay dormant until it was revived last year. Now, with thousand of participants to date--and its share of controversies-the Genographic Project stand to go down in history and bring the word genography with it." This is what was being sold by DNA companies (who have made huge bucks off of this project) to numerous Genographic Project DNA managers the DNA companies recruited throughout the USA. However in order to get people to participate the propaganda was changed to "we'll connect you to your family with a $99 - 12 marker DNA test." Many SC Web sites were posted to this message to recruit people to participate in the program. No one sought to tell people that 12 marker DNA tests could connect you to your surname and to many others also who were not your kin. The DNA companies started fostering these people off on Family DNA Project to take the rein and explain that 12 marker DNA tests didn't solve your family connectivity problem. The local Genographic Project managers continued to recruit people until it became ridiculous, get your 12 marker test and connect to your family was the message. That is when people, like me, started posting what was the truth. It takes collective people in the same family with matching family histories and matching DNA markers up to 37+ to match up your family lineage and show it is true. To many little white lies still out there. In addition this Genographic Project DNA information is available publicly who know who else will use it 1) the FBI for their criminal data base, 2) the US Government, etc. So if you really want to use DNA to solve your family history problems, just join a your Surname DNA Project and work with the people there to get a sufficient data base of your family group and you will have a better than even chance to solve those brick walls. If you want some more of our brick wall stories contact me off line. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/>

Dear Carole, You have asked an excellent question. I visited the Laurens DNA site which posts some DNA results for people from Laurens. This is not the way to find about your connections to your family. Why? Nothing ever stands alone. DNA testing and family history needs something to compare to. DNA testing is only valid when you have a surname connections project of similar surnames with hopefully matching DNA profiles to compare to. We have 22 different Hendricks groups and this illustrates what I am saying. Generally surname Projects are slightly less expensive to join and get DNA testing. Generally surnames have diverse family connections. Joining a group will generally get you some one who knows something more than a posting about your surname. In our case we have about 80 years of documented land deeds, grants, wills, church records plus numerous lineages. We also provide free 3 family history CDs which are useful for searching out your family records. So what to do? As a start you can go to your browser like Google or Yahoo and plug in DNA testing. This will pull up a lot of stuff. However there are a number of DNA testing companies and this is what to look for. I will give you an example, Family Tree DNA is found at (Not a necessary advertizement for FTDNA) http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp<http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp>. This web site gives you a place where a large number of surnames are posted. Scroll down to the alphabet listing of projects click on the first letter of your surname. This will bring up a list of surnames of the beginning letter of your surname. Scroll until you find your surname and click on it. This takes you to a page that begins to give information about your surname. Depending upon the knowledge and dedication of the Group Administrator you will begin to connect to your family. There is also a link to the person doing the coordination of the project. We and numerous other DNA Projects have learned the hard way overtime to do 37+ marker DNA testing. Why? Visiting such sites as Charles Kerchner (http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm there<http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm%20there> is excellent documentation that shows you why. To separate out people 12 and 25 marker testing often gives false positive matches which lead people to make errors in connections to family members. 37+ marker testing also helps separate out different members in family groups. So if you are really serious about DNA the above is a beginning. However you need to search out male members of your family for Y-DNA testing as the genes are passed for a given surname down form father to son to grandson forever. Getting other members of your surnames, once your know your family's DNA profile, will establish a DNA base profile in which to compare others to your particular surname group. We have a number of good case example. For instance we had three particular groups of Hendricks do DNA testing. 1) back to Daniel Hendrick of MA 1617., 2) A family back to KY 1792 and 3) a family back into Eastern NC 1700. When they saw that all three were beginning to match, one group only did a beginning 12 marker test, then a 25 and 37 test they all began to match. So from 3 different groups at the beginning (one group only 12 markers which wasa mistake at the beginning) they matched into a single Hendrick/s family Group pointing toward Daniel Hendrick of MA b 1617 m 1642 Dorothy Pike, d of Robert Pike Mayflower passenger. Talk about thrilled. Now all this different happen overnight. The Hendricks Family Association had a data base on the Daniel Hendrick group and also what some know as the Jabesh Hendricks or Francis Hendrickson family of Eastern NC. All this helped put the family together for DNA does not stand alone it stands with family history records. The whole story is more complicated but it shows you what can happen in a family surname project where you have good participation for DNA testing and good family records. Working with dedicated people who search their families histories and getting good DNA participation form multiple given surname families is what makes success. Standing alone somewhere just hoping and waiting will not solve your project's problems. Participation and working with family members to bring together your family history will solve many a problem. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: EASYSKIER@aol.com<mailto:EASYSKIER@aol.com> To: Herb_316@msn.com<mailto:Herb_316@msn.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [SCLAUREN] A True DNA Story Hi Herb......I am interested in doing a DNA study for my family. What would be a good site to find out more about the testing, the cost and the best place to have it done? Carole

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Skelton, Ayers, Vernon, Clark, Solomon Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcB.2ACE/2640 Message Board Post: Below is my descent from Unknown Skelton. Can anyone make a connection with any of my ancestors or allied families? I have names of children of each ot the following Skeltons 1. Unknown Skelton (Ca 1710/1720, VA? PA? - ?) 2. Thomas Skelton (Before 1755, VA? -After 1828, Pendleton District, SC) m. Sarah? Solomon?. 3. William Skelton (Circa 1773/1776, Union Co., SC -After 1850, Anderson Co., SC) m. Martha/Mary (Polly) Clark. 4. Thomas Asa Skelton (1822, Anderson Co., S\C -1885, Franklin Co., GA ) m. Elizabeth R. Vernon 5. James Robert Skelton (2/3/1848, Anderson Co., SC -1/4/1922, Linden, TX) m. Altheah Caroline Ayers 6. Lone Calep Skelton (2/5/1887, Franklin Co., GA -4/12/1970, Linden, TX) m. Lena Belle Kasling 7. James Edward Skelton (12/1/1934, Linden, TX) m. Margaret Morgan Jim Skelton tiff4219@zianet.com

Elaine, I just looked on the Family Tree DNA site at the various tests which are the ones you probably looked at too. I assume this is where your uncle was tested. If it is, it looks as if they preserve Y-DNA 12 samples, because they say they can be upgraded to a Y-Refine12to25 or a Y-Refine12to37. Here are a couple of product descriptions, found at this address: http://www.familytreedna.com/description.html Y-Refine12to25: This refinement of our 12 marker Y-DNA test dramatically reduces the time (in generations) to the Most Recent Common Ancestor. Y-DNA12to25 adds 13 additional markers to your previous results without the need for you to provide an additional sample. Therefore it can't be ordered as a stand-alone test without you having previously ordered the Y-DNA test. Y-Refine12to37: This refinement of our 12 marker Y-DNA test dramatically reduces the time (in generations) to the Most Recent Common Ancestor. Y-DNA12to37 adds 25 additional markers to your previous results without the need for you to provide an additional sample. Therefore it can't be ordered as a stand-alone test without you having previously ordered the Y-DNA test. So I assume from these descriptions that you don't have to worry about loosing family data. Also if you have a brother with your uncle's family name or a cousin, they can be tested in the future. As to which test? Herb obviously believes in the 37 marker test. Did you find any valid connections with the Whitt line in Virginia? I've never heard the name before, and I taught college for over 25 years. If the name is as unusual as it appears to me to be and if the people you matched have the same surname, you may not need additional tests to weed out wrong answers. If they have different surnames, perhaps you do. Now Herb is probably going to jump on my reply with both feet! : ) And I defer to his more learned opinion. Regards, Carol

One very important item I forgot to mention. The National Genealogical Society Quarterly (Volume 93, No. 4, December 2005) is titled: Genealogy and Genetics A Theme Issue of the National Genealogical Society Quarterly. Feature Articles: The Science of Molecular Genealogy Ugo A. Perego, Ann Turner, M.D., Jane E. Ekins, and Scott R. Woodward, Ph.D Powerful but Requiring Caution: Genetic Tests of Ancestral Origins Tony N. Frudakis, Ph.D. David Meriwether: Descendant of Nicholas(1) Meriweather? A DNA Study Anita A. Lustenberger, CG Sorting Relationships among Families with the Same Surname: An Irish-American DNA Study Donn Devine, CG, CGI Genetic Genealogy: Issues and Considerations Thomas H. Shawker, M.D. For additional info on this publication and to order a copy, see: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NGS/2006-02 If you'd like to subscribe to the NGS Online Newsletter go here: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/upfront.cfm Joy

Herb, I intended my suggestions to be *additions* to the ones you had already mentioned. I too joined the Genealogy-DNA mailing list when we started our project in 2002, but had to unsubscribe a couple of years later due to the enormous volume of daily emails from the list. I do check their archives when time permits. Another site of interest is: http://worldfamilies.net/ Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Herbert Hendricks To: SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [SCAnderson] DNA participant question Dear Joy, Your suggestions are good. My own advice is not to put all your information retrievals from one source as factual. Quite often companies are biased by what they say and what they do not say. It is like being well read. The more sources you visit the more confidence you will find the right answers.

Dear Joy, Your suggestions are good. My own advice is not to put all your information retrievals from one source as factual. Quite often companies are biased by what they say and what they do not say. It is like being well read. The more sources you visit the more confidence you will find the right answers. Charles Kerchner has an excellent web site for people who want to dig into the real answers that are rarely addressed on a Company DNA site. Genealogy DNA-L is a Rootsweb sponsored DNA discussion site where you really get to see discussions on what DNA testing is all about. It is a pain to keep up with as there is more than 300 postings a day. However the people who post there let all the problems hang out. From all the discussions sooner or later you will arrive at a conclusion from the discussions. Also it is a good source to find more advanced testing and DNA calculators that let you infer more information from your DNA information, especially within your family group of many people. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joy King<mailto:joyk@sc.rr.com> To: SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [SCAnderson] DNA participant question As the co-admin. of the SIZEMORE surname DNA project I'd like to suggest anyone that is interested in DNA testing should subscribe to FTDNAs *free* Facts & Genes monthly newsletter. You can sign up here: http://www.ftdna.com/fgregister.asp<http://www.ftdna.com/fgregister.asp> Another site that should be consulted is the International Society of Genetic Genealogy: http://www.isogg.org/<http://www.isogg.org/> When our project started in 2002, 12 markers was the then standard. The results did *confirm* the marker signature for the surname in America. As time has progressed and more markers became available, we have upgraded some of these results to 25 & 37 markers and now suggest new participants use the 37 marker test if *financially* possible. Basically, the more marker results you have, in combination with the genealogical research, the closer you come to being able to separate the individual lines in a meaningful genealogical time frame. Joy King Co-admin of the SIZEMORE surname DNA project Home page: http://www.genpage.com/sizemoreDNA.html<http://www.genpage.com/sizemoreDNA.html> Results page: http://www.genpage.com/DNAindex.html<http://www.genpage.com/DNAindex.html> Earliest research: http://www.genpage.com/history_surname.html<http://www.genpage.com/history_surname.html> ==== SCANDERS Mailing List ==== Anderson County, South Carolina SCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html> ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx>

The SIZEMORE surname Y-DNA project is seeking male SIZEMORE surname descendants of the following list to participate in our project. ELISHA SISEMORE/SIZEMORE of Pickens Co., SC records; 1840 census Green Co., TN; 1850 census Sevier Co., TN. WILLIAM & Martha (- -?- -) SIZEMORE of Pickens Co., SC records. HENRY & Temperance (- -?- -) SIZEMORE of Pickens & Anderson Co. records. EPHRAIM SIZEMORE, JR & 1st wife Louanna/Leanner (PINDER?). In Anderson Co., SC 1850. Son of Spartanburg Co. Ephraim Sizemore, Sr. THOMAS STEVEN SIZEMORE & 1st wife Winny (- -?- -) 2nd. wife Martha (WATSON) of Anderson, Pickens, and Oconee records. Son of Ephraim Sizemore, Jr. & grandson of Ephraim Sizemore, Sr. ALFRED THOMAS SIZEMORE & Hannah (HUGHES) of Spartanburg & Greenville. Son of Jesse Sizemore & grandson of Ephraim Sizemore, Sr. WILLIAM SIZEMORE & Lucidia E. (HUGHES) SIZEMORE of Greenville. Son of Jesse Sizemore & grandson of Ephraim Sizemore, Sr. EPHRAIM J. SIZEMORE & 1st wife Winny (- -?- -), 2nd. wife Augusta "Axey" (WALLACE?). Son of Jesse Sizemore & grandson of Ephraim Sizemore, Sr. WILLIAM SIZEMORE & 1st wife Nancy (- -?- -), 2nd. wife Mary Angaline (- -?- -) of Spartanburg Co. records. And/or his son WILLIAM M. SIZEMORE md. Elizabeth (THOMPSON) BAGWELL. GEORGE SIZEMORE & Juda (McGAHA) sons THOMAS, WILLIAM & JOHN of Greenville Co., SC. Juda (McGAHA) SIZEMORE md. 2nd Henry RAINS and the family moved to Henderson (present Transylvania) Co., NC. I have additional information on all of these families and will be happy to share with any descendants. If you are (or know of) a male descendant interested in participating in our project, please contact me. Thanks, Joy (Wright) King Co-admin of the SIZEMORE surname DNA project Home page: http://www.genpage.com/sizemoreDNA.html Results page: http://www.genpage.com/DNAindex.html Earliest research: http://www.genpage.com/history_surname.html

Dear Elaine, DNA testing and Family Lineages tell you nothing when you have only one person involved. You have to have someone to compare to not only in DNA testing; the DNA profiles; DYS#s and their Allele numbers; but with family lineages; does your great grandfather have a brother and who was his wife and family, etc. It is only through a comparison of one family lineage to another that you suspect kin. In the DNA testing it is a little better in that you know you are in the same family but it does not tell you who your great grandfather is. The lineages from both families support this. So what am I really saying? You need what we call a data base. This data base is a collection of people with their DNA tests and with family lineages. Combining the knowledge of family with the DNA results you begin to group families. It is simple, nothing stands alone. Collectively you begin to answer questions. My great grandfather Smith told me things that my grandmother Hendricks did not know and vica versa. Combining the information from the two you end up with a complimentary picture of your family. When you do research; census, land deeds and wills this is a complimentary process. You begin to put together the pieces of the family. DNA is the check of all of this to me. When I started collecting family information, I ran into a lot of wanabee connections that lead to blind alleys. Not every one does his homework and certainly we have people out there that want to connect prominent people to their family with out evidence. In upstate SC I found this to be quite true of the old timers. Now days data bases show that you can search and point out the fallacy in a lot of these old time records. I spent 25 years overcoming 105 years of misinformation on our Major Family of VA. Why? We had people who wanted to connect to prominent families in VA. They didn't go to VA to research the family. Our real John Major was a Patriot and was connected to a prominent family but the track proves it. One of our rich oil relatives in TX hired Leonardo Andrea, Genealogist Emeritus in SC, to do research on our Hendricks and Major Family. Leonardo never got to VA and the stuff he fed Mary Lee Robbins was rewriting VA Major family history. If Leonardo had gone to VA he would have found a 1915 publication by James Branch Cabell which would have helped right his thinking. However modern times make it easy now to see the wrongs that have been fostered on many a SC upstate family. It does not come easy but it is there if you are willing to work. If you insist on copying Rootsweb-L postings you make the same mistakes of the past. Many who post there just grab and paste to fabricate a family history. So to be sure do your own homework. Who knows your family better than you? DNA testing has the element of truth that keeps people honest because they cannot change the DNA profiles that are part of each person. I tell a lot of our people if you do not want to know the truth about your family don't do DNA testing. In our Hendricks families we have had many disappointments. We have many thrilled to get a family connection back to 1617 in which they had no idea they were connected. This particular case the family only knew of connections back to 1790. We had another case where a group found their relative by research back to 1700s in Bertie Co., NC but the DNA test showed the family came from MA and were connect to the Daniel Hendrick b 1617 m 1642 Dorothy Pike daughter of Robert Pike, a Mayflower passenger. Talk about thrilled, one of a kind. So it takes work and help of many to really find out your kin. The males pass their genes through the Y-DNA testing as the original family name from father to son to grandson forever. mtDNA testing is another story. If you want this I will send it to you under another cover for it is quite long and a lot more complicated but more expensive but doable. I have an article coming out in the Old Pendleton District Newsletter which shows a real life case of a Pickens Co., SC Hendricks family and what they have to do to find who Susanna Hendricks was (maiden name). Unfortunately this process is not a guarantee just a probability based on the DNA data base for her mtDNA profile. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine T. Hunt<mailto:ehunt@ces.clemson.edu> To: SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: [SCAnderson] DNA participant question Herb and Carol, I have been reading this exchange with great interest as I had an uncle do a test 2 years ago to see which line of Whitts the upper SC Whitts originated from. At that time I was encouraged to do the 12 marker which showed kinship to the Virginia line. After looking at all the tests one can chose from and being completely ignorant to the test meaning, which test of the ones listed would provide the most family knowledge? I would like to get as much knowledge about the my Whitt family line as possible from another test. My uncle is 78 and his sister is 90 so should I include both of them just to make sure I preserve family data? They are the last of my family line living except for my generation. Elaine Elaine Hunt 864-646-4519 hunt@scra.org<mailto:hunt@scra.org> ==== SCANDERS Mailing List ==== Anderson County, South Carolina SCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx>

As the co-admin. of the SIZEMORE surname DNA project I'd like to suggest anyone that is interested in DNA testing should subscribe to FTDNAs *free* Facts & Genes monthly newsletter. You can sign up here: http://www.ftdna.com/fgregister.asp Another site that should be consulted is the International Society of Genetic Genealogy: http://www.isogg.org/ When our project started in 2002, 12 markers was the then standard. The results did *confirm* the marker signature for the surname in America. As time has progressed and more markers became available, we have upgraded some of these results to 25 & 37 markers and now suggest new participants use the 37 marker test if *financially* possible. Basically, the more marker results you have, in combination with the genealogical research, the closer you come to being able to separate the individual lines in a meaningful genealogical time frame. Joy King Co-admin of the SIZEMORE surname DNA project Home page: http://www.genpage.com/sizemoreDNA.html Results page: http://www.genpage.com/DNAindex.html Earliest research: http://www.genpage.com/history_surname.html

Herb and Carol, I have been reading this exchange with great interest as I had an uncle do a test 2 years ago to see which line of Whitts the upper SC Whitts originated from. At that time I was encouraged to do the 12 marker which showed kinship to the Virginia line. After looking at all the tests one can chose from and being completely ignorant to the test meaning, which test of the ones listed would provide the most family knowledge? I would like to get as much knowledge about the my Whitt family line as possible from another test. My uncle is 78 and his sister is 90 so should I include both of them just to make sure I preserve family data? They are the last of my family line living except for my generation. Elaine Elaine Hunt 864-646-4519 hunt@scra.org

Dear Carol, The question you ask is only answerable when you get more testing of yur family and any other Rogers Family you want to compare to. This also requires comparing family lineages. None of the above stands alone. My second message to you clarifies what I deduce is your problem. Little public Rodgers/Rogers information. Somewhere the Group Administrator has a web site for you to access. He should post the families lineages and DNA results. Off line the SCANDERS-L web site I will send you a copy of what I post that lets Hendricks families know about their kin ship. Why do I have to do this? Rootsweb-L has an archaic communications policy and will not allow pasting of PDF files that maintains documentation integrity. God Bless. Herb Hendricks Retired NASA Physicist Hendricks DNA Project Group Administrator Secretary Hendricks Family Association Herb_316@MSN.com<mailto:Herb_316@MSN.com> 1210 Long Meadow DR Lynchburg, VA 24502 434 832 7246 Major/Smith/Hendricks http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/<http://www.ftdna.com/public/hendricks/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Csnow108@cs.com<mailto:Csnow108@cs.com> To: SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCANDERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [SCAnderson] A True DNA Story Dear Herb, You've convinced me that the 12 marker test can give false positives. But does the 12 marker test give false negatives? Or is it a reliable method of eliminating families you do not match--such as the Benjamin Rogers family that we did NOT match. Are we right in assuming we are not related to this family? Thanks so much for your help. Carol ==== SCANDERS Mailing List ==== Anderson County, South Carolina SCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~scander2/index.html> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx>