This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: COBB, LIPFORD and PETTUS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GeB.2ACI/969 Message Board Post: COBB, LIPFORD and PETTUS – ABBEVILLE COUNTY, SC RESEARCH Recently a researcher asked for information on Adeline/Adaline Lipford Cobb, presumed daughter of Edward and Eleanor Pettus Lipford, and wife of Charles Anderson Cobb. After many hours of researching this request, rather than answering privately, I felt that more people would benefit by publicly responding. The researcher indicated that their opinion was based on the duplication of household in the 1860 census. Their letter to me states, “The information I have for Adelaine Lipford and Anderson Cobb came from the 2 census of 1860 Abbeville, S. C. because of William Lipford being listed with each census--I thought Adelaine/Adeline was his sister.” A Lipford researcher has also reported that Anna Lipford was married to Middleton Cobb. The conclusion drawn above is easy to make without further research. Having researched further, I am not convinced that Adeline Cobb is a daughter of Edward and Eleanor Lipford. There is simply not enough evidence to rationalize that conclusion. There is enough primary and secondary evidence to conclude that Adeline was NOT married to Charles Anderson Cobb. Likewise, there is not enough evidence to prove that Anna Lipford married Middleton Cobb as some researchers have suggested. The loss of records in the 1872 fire at the Abbeville Court House requires looking at other sources for information. The 1840 census provides only a numeric breakdown for the Lipford and Cobb families. Edward Lipford’s household consists of 1 male aged 40-50 (probably Edward), 4 males between 5 and 30, 1 female aged 40-50 (probably Eleanor), 6 females from 0 to 30 and 1 male slave between 10 and 24 for a total count of 13. Four members of the household are employed in agriculture and 2 members over 20 years cannot read and write. The likely scenario is two parents with ten children although the possibility exists that sons or daughters-in-law could be living with them. From the 1840 census until Edward and Eleanor’s death there is at least one more child born to the family, namely William. Eleanor Pettus Lipford had died sometime between 22 Jun 1842 and 31 Dec 1846 [probably after 1844]. Edward’s death was prior to 31 Dec 1846 when the Abbeville County Court of Equity granted administration of Edward’s estate to Charles A. Cobb, John W. Cobb, and W. B. Roman. Edward was still living as of 14 December 1842 when he purchased a portion of Charles C. Cobb’s estate. The bulk of Edward’s estate consisted of 130 acres, on the Camp Branch waters of the Saluda River, adjoining Robert Y. Jones. Noted in the abstract, “Edward left no wife but several children.” John Lipford is named as the “oldest son.” Other children named are: Mary Lindsay (wife of Jackson), Allen, Frances, William, Clotilda, and Amos. This accounts for seven of the eleven posited children with one male and three females of the 1840 household unaccounted for. Newspapers of 1847 provide us with the names of two more children. The missing son is probably James and one of the daughters is Anna Lipford. At that time James and Mary are living out of state. The household of Charles Cobb in the 1840 census consists of 1 male aged 50 to 60, 1 male and 1 female aged 20 to 30. This is probably the widowed father of John W., Charles A., Nancy C. Cobb Kirkpatrick, and Mary A. Cobb Cheatham. Mary is most likely married to John Cheatham at this time and in his household. There are other Cobb families listed that are probably related in someway. With the exception of John W. and Middleton Cobb the other Cobb families were not explored further. The makeup of Charles’ household would indicate that two of his children may be married with two children still at home. The other possibility is one of the 20-30 year olds is a son or daughter-in-law. There is no way of knowing who was in the household since Charles C. Cobb died prior to 20 Nov 1842 and is not listed in the 1850 census. John W. Cobb was living in a separate household in 1840. This household consisted of: 1 male and 1 female aged 20-30 and 2 females under 5 years old, with no slaves. Middleton Cobb’s household has 1 male and 1 female aged 30 to 40, 1 male and 1 female under 5 years old. These census’ show the probability that John W., and Middleton Cobb are already married and therefore could not be married to the unidentified females still in Edward Lipford’s household. If any of Edward’s children is married to Middleton Cobb we would have to increase the number of Lipford children by one. By 1850 we find Edward and Eleanor’s children living in several different households. Allen Lipford has had two different guardians. The first guardian appointed was Thomas Stacy (1848), followed by Charles A. Cobb (1849). In 1850 Allen is now 18 years old and the overseer for Robert Smith. By March 1847 Mary Lipford was now married to Jackson Lindsay (Lindsey) and had moved out of SC. Mary’s brother James had also removed from SC. Frances petitioned the Court to allow her to move with her sister [Mary] to AL. In Jan 1849 Charles A. Cobb was then made guardian of Frances, William and Clotilda Lipford, all minors. Charles probably allowed Frances to move to AL with her sister at some time between 1850 and 1851. Frances does not appear in the 1850 household of Jackson and Mary Lindsey, I have not been successful in finding Frances or Clotilda in the 1850 census. Clotilda would be about 13 and Frances about 14 or 15 years old. Clotilda married Charles D. Mann and moved to Pontotoc County, MS where she is found in 1860. At the time the 1850 census was recorded, they may have been in the wagon, heading west and totally missed. Frances married, 17 Dec 1851, Barach Lindsay (Lindsey) in St. Clair, AL. Barach was a bother to Jackson, husband of Mary. In 1852 Barach and Frances appointed Abner Jones as their attorney to get their portion of the Estate of Edward Lipford. In 1854 Anderson Cobb was made guardian of William Lipford. Some researchers have surmised that Charles and Anderson are one in the same person. If Charles A. and Anderson were the same person there would be no need for the Court to change guardians. John W. Cobb was made guardian of Amos Lipford (1849) who would come of age in 1851. Amos was living in the household of John W. Cobb in 1850 at the reported age of 21 as a “Hireling.” John’s household consisted of himself (36), Mary P (35), Mary Ann E (13), and Victoria (11). This portion would match the makeup of the 1840 household of John W. Cobb. In addition there was, Charles Cobb (8), Emily (6), William (4) and America (11 months). Amos Lipford eludes me for any of the censuses after 1850. Living next door to John W. Cobb is Charles A. Cobb (28). Charles is enumerated in the 1850 census with Louisiana A. Cobb (19) and an infant named Butler. Three census pages later, we find Middleton Cobb (47) living next door to Adeline Cobb (30), Nancy (1), and William Lipford (6). These two pages clearly indicate that Charles A. Cobb is not married to Adeline. I am inclined to think that Adeline is the wife of Andrew Cobb who appears on the line before. Andrew (24) was enumerated in Middleton’s household and his occupation is listed as “Cropper.” Adeline has a new household number, which could be an error, and it appears as though the enumerator started to write “C” for her occupation. Middleton Cobb is old enough to be the father of both Andrew and Adeline. In 1860 Adeline and William Lipford appear in the household of Anderson Cobb. (It also appears that the family was enumerated twice.) Andrew/Anderson is now 35 and Adeline 42 years old. Nancy appears as Ellen (11) with the addition of America (9), Martha (7), and William Lipford (17). Because of the duplication we can ascertain that they lived between the village of Ninety-Six and Cokesbury. Charles A. Cobb (42), in 1860, is near Greenwood. Louisiana now appears as America (28), Butler W. (9), and five more additional children. John W. Cobb is also in the vicinity of Greenwood with no Lipford children in the household. By 1860 Middleton Cobb and his wife Naomi had moved to MS. The preponderance of the evidence indicates that Charles A. Cobb is not Anderson Cobb who married Adeline. Charles A. Cobb had been appointed as guardian for several of Edward and Eleanor Lipford’s children. Since no Lipford children appear in his household, I believe that his responsibility was more of a fiduciary nature rather than a nurturing role. If anyone knows where the missing individuals can be found, please e-mail me at [email protected] Please include the word genealogy in the subject line or the message goes directly to the trash. Sources: 1830 census – NARA [National Archives Records Administration] Publication M19, Roll 169, page: 8. 1840 census – NARA Publication M704, Roll 507, Pages: 48, 53, 55, 56, 57, 59, 63, and 65. 1850 census – NARA Publication M432, Roll 848, Pages: 133 and 136. 1850 census– NARA Publication M432, Roll 14, Page: 139. 1860 census – NARA Publication M653, Roll 1212, Pages: 70, 78, 79, and 86. 1860 census – NARA Publication M653, Roll 590, Pages: 691 and 734. 1870 census – NARA Publication: M593, Roll 1481, Page: 194. 1880 Census – NARA Publication T9, Roll 4, Pages: 581 and 582. Abbeville Banner March 10, 1847 and November 10, 1847. Will and estate records of Capt. James Pettus and Anna Pettus. Will and estate records of Edward Lipford. Will and estate records of Charles C. Cobb. Wells, Lawrence K, and Brent H. Holcomb, eds. “The South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research,” Vol. IX, No. 3, Columbia, SC, 1981, page 154. Sarrett, Paul R., Jr., “Old 96 and Abbeville Districts, South Carolina - Marriages - 1774-1890,” SCGenWeb Archives. Ware, Lowry, Ph.D.; “Transcripts from: Abbeville District, South Carolina Newspaper Notices of Land Cases and Sales 1836-1872” Southern Historical Press, Easley, SC, 1999. Young, Willie Pauline (Comp.); “Abstracts of Old Ninety-Six and Abbeville District Wills and Bonds,” Southern Historical Press, Easley, SC, 1977, pages: 251, 507, 508. Janice Pate, copyright 2004 <[email protected]> Please use the Subject: Griffin Genealogy or the message goes directly to the trash bin.