--part1_25.335092f5.2b6637b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nel, Correction to near the last paragraph in letter, beginning with "I would not mind you adding my name to Warren Palmer Line, but you can see I am NOT struggling".....Please delete NOT. Believe me, I AM struggling. Betty --part1_25.335092f5.2b6637b2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <BLRIC@aol.com> From: BLRIC@aol.com Full-name: BLRIC Message-ID: <114.1e1dd63a.2b6635b6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:11:50 EST Subject: Re: Hatcher-Palmer To: nelhatch@rapidnet.com, SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com CC: BLRIC@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Hi Nel, This is the first time I have made connection with a descendant of in Anderson County, SC, Palmer other than several that are researching Chandler/Martha Palmer Line. So maybe different pieces of info will reveal themselves that someday we may produce a picture of our Palmer's. First, give me a thumbnail lineage down to Warren Palmer, son of William Palmer. If you are a blood descendant of his wife, then he would have to your blood kin also, not just a collateral line. Give me just a quick lineage so I can get the picture. If you are blood kin to Warren Palmer, then you would be kin to his father and mother. I have some things in my files that may give you some places to get instruments that may tell you more. If that is a collateral line, you may not want to look into these things, but I will list them below: But before I begin let me tell you I am in the middle of cleaning and making new files and reviewing material that I have had for quite a while. So what ever I tell you is from memory, which is as follows: 1. Index to Deeds and a copy of a Deed that William conveys to his two sons property (sons' names listed). 2. A Deed that a William Palmer buys land from Jesse Palmer, 1823. (Note: I have always believed that the William may be a brother of Jesse reflected in the census) All these folks reflected in census are related, I believe.) 3. In the Index to Probate Records in Anderson Co., I noticed that papa William settled his estate after the Civil War and later his wife does so also. I will check all this out, because I cannot remember if they settled it Intestate (without a Will) or Testate (with a Will). Hopefully, it will be without a Will, then the State requires the court to appoint an Administrator, names all heirs, takes inventory of everything in their home, etc., many letters go back and forth between family members and Judge, etc. Sometime it takes several years to complete probating it without a Will (or Intestate). With a Will, he names the persons who he wants to leave everything to, but sometimes he has already given someone something earlier, and leaves them out of the Will, or could be a conflict in the family and leave someone out. So, I love the Intestate probating. 4. Another thing I have is a 1868 Map of Anderson, especially Townville, reflecting where different families live. It has the names of where the Palmer's live. I believe this is still available through their Historical Society for a nominal cost (abt $7.00). I will check and find the address where it may be ordered. 5. One place to look in Anderson, is the "Book of the Dead" which many larger libraries have. It list all those buried in various cemeteries. When I have found a death date of one of the older persons, I call the Anderson County Library and ask if they look in their old newspapers for that date and send me an Obituary if one exists. They are so nice and helpful. 6. Did Warren serve in the Civil War. Get his papers, especially his or his widow's Application for a Pension. They are asked many questions and tells you many things about the family. You give me a thumbnail lineage of the descendants of Warren Palmer, and then since you live in SD, I might be able to offer some suggestions for finding your Hatchers. I did find one of the Hatchers in Pendleton in 1800 in one of my books entitled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, SC" compiled by William C. Stewart who was commissioned by the National Genealogical Society, Washington, DC, to go into the Nat'l Archives and compile these records. There was only one Hatcher. Edward Hatcher, #20010-22010-00 To tell you something about Pendleton District to help you understand why records are so hard to find. After the Revolutionary War, US pushed the Cherokee Indians out of the upper part SC, and land became available to settlers who were coming from VA and NC through State Land Grants. To make matters more complicated, about the time of the Revolutionary War, the state line between NC and SC was defined. So someone could have land in what they thought was SC, but it turned out to be in a county in NC and their records are there. Also, to complicate this, even the early land grants could be filed in one courthouse in a District, and a few years later that Districts may be divided and you may not be sure where records are filed. Add to that that some the large fighting in the Revolutionary War was in upper SC and then the Civil War took its toll in SC. No marriage license until much later, nor death certificates and births. Some churches did keep records of these events, but not good records and they are not many. The best place to find records are in Court records. If an estate was less than $1000.00 in value it will be found in the Probate Records, and if it is more than $1000.00, you will find the probation of it in the Minutes of the Ordinary Court. For this you must get microfilm films from LDS and read them at your local FHC. If your family was in upper SC during the time of the Revolutionary War, you may find them on the Tory or Loyalist List because many were still loyal to their home country and sided with the British. There was basically a Civil War going on in that area between folks as well as the Revolutionary War between nations. You were unsure if your neighbors were your enemies. So there is a Tory List. I had gotten a list at Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, but someone put this URL to get a partial list of the Tories. http://sc_tories.tripod.com/loyalists_captured_in_december_1775.htm I do not know if this will help, but soon in SC you will learn you must look under every stone. You stated that you have a few names you share are ANDERSON and MILTON REESE, and where the names come from. I am not sure originally where they come from, but Chandler/Martha (my line) have a son, Anderson, and another Charles Milton Reese Palmer. If you want to do some searching on your computer about the Quakers in your area, do this: Go to Key Word: Type in: Quakers and South Carolina be sure you type in "and." Then it is going to give you many links. I found many names of folks that left SC, NC and there was another Quaker group in Georgia. Now remember, these Quakers did not necessarily meet every day, but went to these large Quaker Meetings every so often. So back then, traveling a long ways did not seem to stop them. I would not mind you adding my name to the Warren Palmer line, but as you can see I am not struggling along trying to find my ancestors just like everyone else. But I have seen from my Robertson side, that when you are willing to collaborate your research, but make sure everyone is willing to give substantiated information, you have greater luck. Each person comes into research with different thoughts and ideas, and possibly something that has been handed down in a family. Someone in your family has been exposed to hearing an older person tell family stories and they are often handed down. What is your DNA Project? That, for sure, is the best way to see if you are kin, but does not give the links that you are looking for. Let me hear from you, Betty Please excus typos and errors. It is late and I do not see them until I mail out my letter. --part1_25.335092f5.2b6637b2_boundary--