Hi William Hatcher, I will answer your questions by giving you what I know about these Anderson Co., SC, Palmer's, who I have researched, ate, slept and dreamed of for 17 years. They, in my belief, are part of what is known as the Virginia Palmer's who came after the Revolutionary War to the Ninety-Six District, SC, which is all the upper part of SC. Many of them settled around Union Co., some in York, some in Edgefield, and Newberry Counties. When 96th District was divided, there only a few in the Pendleton District, which later was divided out into Pickers and Anderson Counties. There were only a few of the Palmers left in Anderson and Pickens Counties. Another group of Palmer's, Solomon, Benjamin, John and Jonathan Palmers were a group from NJ, and they traveled through but did not remain long in the Pendleton District, and they went on down into GA, and as far as we can tell they were not of the same group who supposedly came from VA. Now, I will begin in 1830 Anderson Co. census, there are only 5 heads of household including Messer Palmer (I believe Amasa) but he is not carried on down to 1850 census: (excluding Messer Palmer) They are: 1830 Census 1. Chandler/Chamber/Charles (?) 2. William Palmer 3. Jesse Palmer, Sr. 4. Jesse Palmer, Jr. 1840 Census 1 Chandler/Charles/Chamber Palmer, abt 38-40 yrs old 2. James Palmer, abt 35 yrs 3. Madison Palmer, abt 24 yrs 4. William Palmer, abt 47 yrs 5. Jesse Palmer, abt 67 yrs 6. Jesse Palmer, abt ? 1850 Census This is where research and family info has filled in some pieces, and deduction has put this together also. The name of Chandler/Charles, Chamber was difficult to read in earlier census, but we know from kin of his first born and names that have been carried down that the names was Chandler. He was on census through 1840. He and his wife Martha Thomas (dau of Thomas Thomas) has their last child in 1845, therefore, something happened to him between 1845-1850 when he is not reflected on census rolls and his wife, Martha is shown as Head of Family. This is where I am stuck, because of not being able to find out who is Chandler's father. There is a genealogy floating around that was put out without any substantiated that the older Jesse was everyone else's father, however, I am now working with the submitter of that original genealogy to get a genealogy that is substantiated. The reasoning for putting Jesse as everyone's father was that he is older. That may be so, but hold no proof. Now I will get to the 1850 Census, plus missing person not shown on census: Martha Palmer, Head of Household 1. William Andrew Palmer, b: abt. 1826...not shown as he is married, and not living at home 2. Thomas B. Palmer, b: abt 1828 3. James W. Palmer, b: abt 1830 (my great grandfather) 4. Milton (Charles Milton Reese) Palmer, b: abt. 1835 5. John C. Palmer, b: abt 1838 6. Anderson Palmer, b: abt 1839 7. Chandler Palmer, b: abt 1841 (probably named for father or hopefully for his grandfather?) 8. Alena E. Palmer, b: abt. 1843 (but is show duplicate in census rolls, also show in household of grandparents, Thomas Thomas' household, as Alena or Ealena Palmore 9. Joseph Palmer, b: abt 1845. A little about this family from research, and I hope you understand this all from memory to give you a thumbnail story about this family. Martha Thomas Palmer, is left in 1850, with a house full of children. They live on a farm at the Forks, Townville, outside City of Anderson, Anderson Co., SC. The Palmer's had gotten land around the Seneca River where the land was fertile and they seemed to live a comfortable life prior to the Civil War. It seems there was enough of land that Thomas B. had some of the land, and James W. had a small farm, all near each other in Townville. Their relatives, William Palmer, with his two sons, Warren Palmer, wife Esther, and William H., wife, Elizabeth, lived nearby in Townville. There is a Deed which I ordered a copy from the SC State Archives that reflects that William Palmer gave his two sons, Warren and William H. Palmer his land. Also, there is another Deed that reflects that some of the Palmer's donated a piece of land for the Oak Grove Methodist Episcopal Church at Townville, which still stands and the Palmer have reunions there still, however, due to it not having air conditioning, they had the reunion at the Dickinson Methodist Church annually. However, the Oak Grove ME Church has been there for years and some of Thomas B's family, I understand, are buried there. (note: I am going from memory on the name of the cemetery and it is something Grove).As I said above, from what I have read about the history of Anderson County, SC to give me a feeling how life was prior to the Civil War, Martha lived with her family and their small families around her in Townville, then the Civil War began. From records in the History of Pendleton District, Milton and Chandler belong to the Ft Hill Guards, which evidently was an elite group of militia, and they, along with this group were the first to enlist when the War began (probably thought they would be home in a month or so after licking the Yankees). So Martha's two sons, Chandler and Milton, were in the War, then in 1862, James, my g grandfather had married and had one little girl about 10 yrs old, and William Andrew was married and had a few children, when they enlisted in 1862. They were in the same military unit and fought together until they were captured at Armstrong's Mills Virginia, on 9th December 1864, during the Richmond Campaign. They were guarding the railway that was taking supplies to Gen. Lee, and there was a skirmish on the morning of December 9, 1864. William Andrew was wounded and was taken to a Union hospital at Dansville, VA, and James W. was taken by train to Point City, MD, and placed in the horrible, Point Lookout, MD, Union Prison on Dec 12, 1864. The prison is based on the peninsula that juts out into the Atlantic Ocean with the Chesapeake Bay on one side. It was at tide level and water at high tide would come into the prison units where the prisoner were freezing to death and starving to death. I read the prison records on microfilm. At one time James received $40.00 from home to buy food. Many got packages and from the records, when the packages where opened by prison officials and recorded what they received, some contained sacks of flour, sugar, rolls of butter, dried fruit, socks and drawers, red pepper, etc. This gave you an idea of what was needed to survive. However, James was ill when the War ended in April 1865, and he was too ill and unable to go home when everyone else left, and he died in the prison hospital in June 1865, two months after the war ended. Martha's other son, John, was in the War and I believe he died, I believe in all, 7 out of the 8 sons were in the War, and I believe either 4 or 5 died. A sad story. Milton was discharged and later he and his family moved to Texas and on to Oklahoma where he is buried. The daughter, Alena, who married a man by the name of King, I believed he did not come back from the War. Later, I found her living near her mother's home with I believe a couple of children. I had heard that Thomas B. was in service but came home, but I do not have any proof of that. My grandmother, daughter of James W. at married my grandfather, William A. Robertson who lived right across in Franklin Co., GA, and they left the devastation of Anderson and moved to Gregg County, TX to follow some of her husband's relatives and get a new start and land in a new state. About Chandler's father....my life long search. I could not just put Jesse down without any type of documentation, i.e., Will, Deed, or Word of Living relatives, I have been searching for years to have something that I would feel comfortable with so I could continue researching on back. Jesse may be the father, but the original person who submitted this research is uncomfortable with what was put down in the 1980s. I am now working with her and a researcher she has hired (who live in Salt Lake City) to go by process of elimination to find his father, with some type of substantiation. So we are going to collaborate all our research and see what comes of it. This is how this bit about the Quaker came in. Someone contacted me that they found a grave in Iowa with the name CHANDLER PALMER, b; 1774. That name is unusual and that would be about one generation prior to my gg grandfather, Chandler Palmer in SC. He was buried in a Quaker Cemetery, called Harrison Cemetery for the folks had moved from Iowa from Harrison, Ohio. Then I remembered that the two Quaker churches or Meeting Houses had moved to Ohio from SC. Some Palmer's from Newberry Co., SC, went. From info that I got from Brent Holcomb, genealogist and publisher, he said that the Minutes of those Meetings are recorded and published in the "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy" by WW Hinshaw. They record everything about their members. One volume are the minutes of Cane Creek and Bush River Meetings in SC, and another volume has Minutes of the Ohio Quakers. I understand that they voted to leave SC because of being slave holders. This is what you can call a long shot, but we are going into the records and find out if, indeed, the older CHANDLER PALMER, Quaker, buried in Iowa, could possibly be my Chandler's father....theory: he might have been a Quaker and followed the congregation to Ohio, then moved on further west with family, leaving his son in SC with his young family. Remember, back than, America was a restless nation. People moved on to new land, Land was free and abundant....they left one place and moved ton for many reasons. Believe Me, if we find this piece of Palmer information, I will place it on all the lines, the Palmer-L, the Old96, everywhere, free to anyone who wants to use it, if I have documentation so everyone who uses it is comfortable that it is true. William, you asked a simple question and got a narrative for an answer. Good Luck to you and your research, and I will send a separate e-mail as I am kin to the Kuhns. (I will not write a narrative on them as I know where you can get documented info) Betty Rich Paxson Please excuse typos or errors