Hi William Hatcher, I will answer your questions by giving you what I know about these Anderson Co., SC, Palmer's, who I have researched, ate, slept and dreamed of for 17 years. They, in my belief, are part of what is known as the Virginia Palmer's who came after the Revolutionary War to the Ninety-Six District, SC, which is all the upper part of SC. Many of them settled around Union Co., some in York, some in Edgefield, and Newberry Counties. When 96th District was divided, there only a few in the Pendleton District, which later was divided out into Pickers and Anderson Counties. There were only a few of the Palmers left in Anderson and Pickens Counties. Another group of Palmer's, Solomon, Benjamin, John and Jonathan Palmers were a group from NJ, and they traveled through but did not remain long in the Pendleton District, and they went on down into GA, and as far as we can tell they were not of the same group who supposedly came from VA. Now, I will begin in 1830 Anderson Co. census, there are only 5 heads of household including Messer Palmer (I believe Amasa) but he is not carried on down to 1850 census: (excluding Messer Palmer) They are: 1830 Census 1. Chandler/Chamber/Charles (?) 2. William Palmer 3. Jesse Palmer, Sr. 4. Jesse Palmer, Jr. 1840 Census 1 Chandler/Charles/Chamber Palmer, abt 38-40 yrs old 2. James Palmer, abt 35 yrs 3. Madison Palmer, abt 24 yrs 4. William Palmer, abt 47 yrs 5. Jesse Palmer, abt 67 yrs 6. Jesse Palmer, abt ? 1850 Census This is where research and family info has filled in some pieces, and deduction has put this together also. The name of Chandler/Charles, Chamber was difficult to read in earlier census, but we know from kin of his first born and names that have been carried down that the names was Chandler. He was on census through 1840. He and his wife Martha Thomas (dau of Thomas Thomas) has their last child in 1845, therefore, something happened to him between 1845-1850 when he is not reflected on census rolls and his wife, Martha is shown as Head of Family. This is where I am stuck, because of not being able to find out who is Chandler's father. There is a genealogy floating around that was put out without any substantiated that the older Jesse was everyone else's father, however, I am now working with the submitter of that original genealogy to get a genealogy that is substantiated. The reasoning for putting Jesse as everyone's father was that he is older. That may be so, but hold no proof. Now I will get to the 1850 Census, plus missing person not shown on census: Martha Palmer, Head of Household 1. William Andrew Palmer, b: abt. 1826...not shown as he is married, and not living at home 2. Thomas B. Palmer, b: abt 1828 3. James W. Palmer, b: abt 1830 (my great grandfather) 4. Milton (Charles Milton Reese) Palmer, b: abt. 1835 5. John C. Palmer, b: abt 1838 6. Anderson Palmer, b: abt 1839 7. Chandler Palmer, b: abt 1841 (probably named for father or hopefully for his grandfather?) 8. Alena E. Palmer, b: abt. 1843 (but is show duplicate in census rolls, also show in household of grandparents, Thomas Thomas' household, as Alena or Ealena Palmore 9. Joseph Palmer, b: abt 1845. A little about this family from research, and I hope you understand this all from memory to give you a thumbnail story about this family. Martha Thomas Palmer, is left in 1850, with a house full of children. They live on a farm at the Forks, Townville, outside City of Anderson, Anderson Co., SC. The Palmer's had gotten land around the Seneca River where the land was fertile and they seemed to live a comfortable life prior to the Civil War. It seems there was enough of land that Thomas B. had some of the land, and James W. had a small farm, all near each other in Townville. Their relatives, William Palmer, with his two sons, Warren Palmer, wife Esther, and William H., wife, Elizabeth, lived nearby in Townville. There is a Deed which I ordered a copy from the SC State Archives that reflects that William Palmer gave his two sons, Warren and William H. Palmer his land. Also, there is another Deed that reflects that some of the Palmer's donated a piece of land for the Oak Grove Methodist Episcopal Church at Townville, which still stands and the Palmer have reunions there still, however, due to it not having air conditioning, they had the reunion at the Dickinson Methodist Church annually. However, the Oak Grove ME Church has been there for years and some of Thomas B's family, I understand, are buried there. (note: I am going from memory on the name of the cemetery and it is something Grove).As I said above, from what I have read about the history of Anderson County, SC to give me a feeling how life was prior to the Civil War, Martha lived with her family and their small families around her in Townville, then the Civil War began. From records in the History of Pendleton District, Milton and Chandler belong to the Ft Hill Guards, which evidently was an elite group of militia, and they, along with this group were the first to enlist when the War began (probably thought they would be home in a month or so after licking the Yankees). So Martha's two sons, Chandler and Milton, were in the War, then in 1862, James, my g grandfather had married and had one little girl about 10 yrs old, and William Andrew was married and had a few children, when they enlisted in 1862. They were in the same military unit and fought together until they were captured at Armstrong's Mills Virginia, on 9th December 1864, during the Richmond Campaign. They were guarding the railway that was taking supplies to Gen. Lee, and there was a skirmish on the morning of December 9, 1864. William Andrew was wounded and was taken to a Union hospital at Dansville, VA, and James W. was taken by train to Point City, MD, and placed in the horrible, Point Lookout, MD, Union Prison on Dec 12, 1864. The prison is based on the peninsula that juts out into the Atlantic Ocean with the Chesapeake Bay on one side. It was at tide level and water at high tide would come into the prison units where the prisoner were freezing to death and starving to death. I read the prison records on microfilm. At one time James received $40.00 from home to buy food. Many got packages and from the records, when the packages where opened by prison officials and recorded what they received, some contained sacks of flour, sugar, rolls of butter, dried fruit, socks and drawers, red pepper, etc. This gave you an idea of what was needed to survive. However, James was ill when the War ended in April 1865, and he was too ill and unable to go home when everyone else left, and he died in the prison hospital in June 1865, two months after the war ended. Martha's other son, John, was in the War and I believe he died, I believe in all, 7 out of the 8 sons were in the War, and I believe either 4 or 5 died. A sad story. Milton was discharged and later he and his family moved to Texas and on to Oklahoma where he is buried. The daughter, Alena, who married a man by the name of King, I believed he did not come back from the War. Later, I found her living near her mother's home with I believe a couple of children. I had heard that Thomas B. was in service but came home, but I do not have any proof of that. My grandmother, daughter of James W. at married my grandfather, William A. Robertson who lived right across in Franklin Co., GA, and they left the devastation of Anderson and moved to Gregg County, TX to follow some of her husband's relatives and get a new start and land in a new state. About Chandler's father....my life long search. I could not just put Jesse down without any type of documentation, i.e., Will, Deed, or Word of Living relatives, I have been searching for years to have something that I would feel comfortable with so I could continue researching on back. Jesse may be the father, but the original person who submitted this research is uncomfortable with what was put down in the 1980s. I am now working with her and a researcher she has hired (who live in Salt Lake City) to go by process of elimination to find his father, with some type of substantiation. So we are going to collaborate all our research and see what comes of it. This is how this bit about the Quaker came in. Someone contacted me that they found a grave in Iowa with the name CHANDLER PALMER, b; 1774. That name is unusual and that would be about one generation prior to my gg grandfather, Chandler Palmer in SC. He was buried in a Quaker Cemetery, called Harrison Cemetery for the folks had moved from Iowa from Harrison, Ohio. Then I remembered that the two Quaker churches or Meeting Houses had moved to Ohio from SC. Some Palmer's from Newberry Co., SC, went. From info that I got from Brent Holcomb, genealogist and publisher, he said that the Minutes of those Meetings are recorded and published in the "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy" by WW Hinshaw. They record everything about their members. One volume are the minutes of Cane Creek and Bush River Meetings in SC, and another volume has Minutes of the Ohio Quakers. I understand that they voted to leave SC because of being slave holders. This is what you can call a long shot, but we are going into the records and find out if, indeed, the older CHANDLER PALMER, Quaker, buried in Iowa, could possibly be my Chandler's father....theory: he might have been a Quaker and followed the congregation to Ohio, then moved on further west with family, leaving his son in SC with his young family. Remember, back than, America was a restless nation. People moved on to new land, Land was free and abundant....they left one place and moved ton for many reasons. Believe Me, if we find this piece of Palmer information, I will place it on all the lines, the Palmer-L, the Old96, everywhere, free to anyone who wants to use it, if I have documentation so everyone who uses it is comfortable that it is true. William, you asked a simple question and got a narrative for an answer. Good Luck to you and your research, and I will send a separate e-mail as I am kin to the Kuhns. (I will not write a narrative on them as I know where you can get documented info) Betty Rich Paxson Please excuse typos or errors

I am searching for the parents of William David Minton b 1877 d 1952 and Maggie Lee Kitchens b 1872 d 1923. Both of them are buried in the Pacolet Methodist Church Cemetery, Pacolet, SC. I can read the name of A.L. Kitchens as the father of Maggie Lee Kitchens on her death certificate and this is all the information that I have. I am researching the surnames Lawson,Billings, Sumner, Minton, Kitchens, Petty Mike Lawson JAX, FL

So glad to hear that your daughter is doing better. It will just take a bit of time for Ross to gain his strength. I know it must be very difficult to leave him in hospital. Our weather bad here too, but not minus temps. Was 10 here night before last, 17 last night. We had about 6" of snow Wed. and it is still on the ground, altho the roads are clear except where shading all day. As for will for Union Co., you could contact the Union Co. folks or the State Archives for the info. I checked the State list of genealogical societies, and find a Pinckney Dist, PO Box 5281, Spartanburg, SC 29304. There may be a web site for them. Try going to USGENWEB, click on State map, SC, UNION Co. and see what comes up. I would think this is the gen. Society it would fall under, as in 1791-1799 It was a Separate Dist off of Old Ninety Six Dist. After that time the larger districts were abolished and the various counties, which were called individual Districts at the time rather than counties, were formed. The Probate records for all counties are on microfilm at the State Archives. If I had the time right now to go and look for them for you, I would, but I am just swamped with other resp. like helping Mom, and my Friends of the Camden Archives responsibilities. I have lots of backed up emails. Just saw yours and wanted to check on the Baby. SC STATE ARCHIVES: SC Department of Archives and History 8301 Parklane Rd. Columbia, SC 29223 803-896-6100 http://www.state.sc.us/scdah/homepage.htm Our local archives has some information on just about all counties, but I have not ever looked for Union Co. info. Why not post to the following lists: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com SC-Roots-L@rootsweb.com SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com Ask the same question you asked me, and also ask about sites that focus on Union Co. There are a lot of Union Co. queries. That area got a lot of folks from NC who later moved to Edgefield, but I checked my Edgefield Thomas and Walker files and did not see the names you mentioned. If you can get dates for these folks, it would help. Good luck Billie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Geniesleuth@aol.com> To: <tjones@camden.net> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Baby Update > Hi Billie, > > They tried some new medication on Teri and she will be home today, they > think. > > Baby still doing well, is actually trying to take a bit of breast milk from a > premie bottle. Teri was pumping out milk for him, have no idea if they can > freeze it or not, forgot to ask. Ross will remain at the hospital for > another two weeks, estimated. Teri sure hated to go home and leave him > there. She will miss being able to walk down the hall to see him anytime she > wants to. With this freezing weather, she will not be able to run back and > forth to the hospital so easily. Wind chill was -12 here this morning. We > are northeast of B'ham by about 18 miles, so is colder here. > > I wonder if you could tell me where I could get a copy of a Union County, SC > will? From my book, "South Carolina Index of Wills" found a James Thomas, > Book 1, page 42, Union County. I am trying to help a distant cousin who was > born and lives in Australia. We are almost certain that is either the father > or relation to her ancestor, James V Thomas, b abt 1812 in Union County > Checked my "SC Jury Lists 1718-1783" book and was one listed there in 1783 as > being in Old Ninety-Six District, from which Union County was formed, but the > jury book also listed a John Thomas and also a John Thomas, Jr., also Old > Ninety-Six District, which are the only ones that are from the same area with > surname of Thomas, but no will listed on those in the index book on wills > That is the only James Thomas that I found in the will index book, but did > find a M. C. G. Thomas, Book C, page 274, and also a William Thomas, Book C, > page 214, which are the only other Thomas' listed at all in the wills book > from Union County, SC. Should probably get all three, any idea of the cost > per will, or does it depend on the amount of pages in the file? She is > connected to me through her HILL line from Chickasaw County, MS, who married > into my POUNDS line in Chickasaw County, MS. She also has Thomas/Hill > connections here in AL, took some photos for her at a cemetery in Blount > County, AL where some of her ancestors are buried. She can find a few things > on the net, but her server does not give her easy access to a lot of them, > nor does she have access to books and/or records. Quite a genealogical > handicap. I would greatly appreciate an address that I can write to, or an > e-mail address where I can find out the cost and where to write to try and > help her out. Her father was b MS, her g-parents b MS, g-grandparents in AL, > and then the rest goes back to SC. Some lady in FL was helping her out some, > but she was not really turning loose of too much info that will help her out. > Got the death cert on her Elizabeth Thomas/Hill (d Cullman County, AL at age > of 109 in 1930) which gave the parents names, James V Thomas and Eleanor > (Nellie) Walker, who was also b SC. We found them on the Jefferson County > Census here up to 1870 (close to the Blount County, line). Sarah Annie > Elizabeth (Thomas) Hill died at her son's house in Cullman County (also on > the Blount County line) have the obit on that one, and stated her death date > and her age., which we really lucked out there. Would have never dreamed she > lived to be that old. > > Any advice you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Just have not > ordered anything from SC before. > > Thanks, Judi >

Forwarded question to our very knowledgeable Hatcher family researcher, and this was her response: Website: Hatcher Families Resource Center http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher List Admin: Hatcher email list Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Kuhns, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman HATCHER DNA Project http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm "Genealogy Without Documentation is Mythology" Martha isn't a nickname so I see several possibilities here..... 1) Without enough details from her msg, Matilda could have been a 2nd wife. 2) This person could be Martha Matilda, switching names between censi. 3) The c-taker (or info giver) made a mistake. The only nicknames I've seen for Matilda are Mattie and Tillie. Nel William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. ( Phone: 912-454-3468 God Bless America! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorothy Norris [mailto:dhnorris@seark.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:47 PM > To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Old96] Question > > Has anyone ever seen the name Martha used as a "nickname" for Matilda?? I know that Polly was used for Mary, and > Sallie is used for Sarah, but, I got a problem with a census, The lady is listed as Martha on the 1860, then on 1870 > someone is listed as Matilda, same age and born in the same place. Any thoughts? > Thanks in advance, > dorothy norris > Researching James Garner, James Garner Jr, and Vincent Garner in Old 96 Dist, > > ______________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003

Looking for my Great grandmother Hattie Horn(e) Great grandfather Joseph Greene Great Great Grandmother Margaret C. Greene Joseph J. Green (my father's grandfather) is on the 1910 Union county census with his wife Hattie {Horn(e)} and one five year old daughter (my fathers mom) Annie Mae born 1905 probably Union SC. Also on that 1910 Union County census is my father's other grandfather William Levi (Cochran Cockerham). He remarried right around this time Elizabeth (Lizzy Sutton) On the 1920 Union County census Hattie (Horn) is married to Ralph R. Russell (my father's namesake). My grandmother Annie Mae(y) is 15. Her full brother Albert Rufus is 11. Her full sister Pauline is 8 or 9. Ralph Russell had a son from another marriage named Herman or Norman who was 8 or 9. Ralph and Hattie had a daughter named June Tr??? 2. (Later they had three more daughters Hazel, Ruth and Ophelia). I have two letters dated 1953 from Babb and Babb Law Firm in Laurens SC to my father stating that his great grandmother Margaret C. Greene had died in 1922 in Laurens Co. It stated that Margaret's son Joe Greene had died a year or so prior in Florida. Any help will be accepted, appreciated and compensated for. Thank you very much. Tammy Lynn Collard Genealogists are the nicest people!!

I am trying to find the parents of Rufus Casey this is what I have also anything on the Allied Families may help me. Please help the Willbanks family married three family members. This was handed down so please do not take this as the gospel it was given to Walter E. Casey in 1968 by James Addison Neighbors of Clinton Co SC. Descendants of Rufus Casey Generation No. 1 1. RUFUS1 CASEY was born 1799 in Spartanburg SC, and died 1880. He married HENRIETTA COMPTON 1821. She was born 1797, and died 1872. Children of RUFUS CASEY and HENRIETTA COMPTON are: i. LUCINA2 CASEY, m. JOHN SMITH. 2. ii. ROLAND M. CASEY, b. 1822; d. 1893. iii. RODERICK CASEY, m. KATHERINE GILLISPIE. iv. JOHN RANDOLPH CASEY, m. (1) ELIZABETH WILLBANKS; m. (2) ELIZABETH HOWARD. v. MALINDA CASEY, m. WILLIAM WILLBANKS. vi. SAMUEL GIBSON CASEY, m. (1) CAROLINE KEATON; m. (2) SARAH WILLBANKS. vii. MARTIN CASEY. More About MARTIN CASEY: Fact 1: Killed at Fort Moultrie viii. SARAH CASEY, m. THOMAS FREDRICKS. Generation No. 2 2. ROLAND M.2 CASEY (RUFUS1) was born 1822, and died 1893. He married RHODA A. GILLISPIE 1848. She was born 1830, and died 1889. Notes for ROLAND M. CASEY: This Casey family lived in Newberry, Union, and Spartanburg Counties of SC. Up and Down the Enoree River, near Whimire SC info from James Addison Neighbors, Clinton SC obtained from Casey and Allied Families Walter E. Casey. More About ROLAND M. CASEY: Fact 1: Buried Anderson SC near Sandy Springs Children of ROLAND CASEY and RHODA GILLISPIE are: 3. i. OLIVER WAYNE3 CASEY, b. 1849; d. 1941. ii. WALTER ROSCOE CASEY, m. ALICE JONES. Generation No. 3 3. OLIVER WAYNE3 CASEY (ROLAND M.2, RUFUS1) was born 1849, and died 1941. He married NANCY ELIZABETH DALRYMPLE. She was born 1847, and died 1933. Children of OLIVER CASEY and NANCY DALRYMPLE are: i. WALTER LAURENCE4 CASEY, m. MATTIE ERSKINE. 4. ii. LOLA MONTEZ CASEY, b. 1867; d. 1964. iii. ADA BYRON CASEY, d. 1967. More About ADA BYRON CASEY: Fact 1: unmarried Generation No. 4 4. LOLA MONTEZ4 CASEY (OLIVER WAYNE3, ROLAND M.2, RUFUS1) was born 1867, and died 1964. She married JAMES ISAAC COPELAND 1902. He was born 1868, and died 1929. Children of LOLA CASEY and JAMES COPELAND are: i. NAN MCELROY5 COPELAND, b. 1903; m. MARSHALL COLEMAN DENBY; b. 1902. ii. MARIAN ELIZABETH COPELAND, b. 1908; m. JAMES ADDISON NEIGHBORS, 1932; b. 1907. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003

What does it mean when a person recieved the following land grant. Colonial Memorial Royal ------ I assume this means you were a British Subject and recieved a Royal land grant pre Revolutionary War ?????? Tim Casey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003

Dolores is right. I'll be there are not one person in 10 whose ancestors were here before the Revolution that doesn't have a Quaker line or two. Mickey -----Original Message----- From: Dolores Pringle [mailto:dmpringle@sc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:26 PM To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Old96] Quaker records I completely agree w/Betty re: the Quaker records. I never knew I had ancestors in the Newberry and Edgefield areas, but someone gave me a clue abt them a couple of yrs ago, and it was amazing what I found. They kept meticulous records and sometimes even told where folks moved to or moved from. I was able to track my PARKINS line pretty closely through the Bush River Meeting House records. On one marriage, they even recorded the consummation as OBSERVED by several elders (all men) of the church. They could have counted me out on that one!!! That is true, but not my point at all. It may just be that you have a Quaker ancestor and don't even know it; I didn't have a clue that I did. God bless, Dolores -----Original Message----- From: BLRIC@aol.com [mailto:BLRIC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:55 AM To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Old96] Fwd: Upper SC Research --part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Original e-mail sent with incomplete address. Am forwarding this with correct address to SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com. Betty --part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <BLRIC@aol.com> From: BLRIC@aol.com Full-name: BLRIC Message-ID: <1d2.971545.2b61058c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:45:00 EST Subject: Upper SC Research To: SC-OLD96@rootsweb.com CC: BLRIC@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Hi, Since all of us that are OLD96 list members are looking for needle in a haystack, I heard about a new place to look to find my Palmer's who lived in Pendleton District and then Anderson Co., SC, and who I had thought took a spaceship to outer space. I had heard there were two Quaker Meeting Houses in upper SC in the late 1700s and early 1800s. I had read that these Meeting Houses and most of the congregation up and move to Ohio. I had read that a Jesse Palmer in Newberry County, SC, left with them and came back later to Newberry County, SC in his older age. From Ohio, some went in to other parts of the country, usually following the Quakers. However, any move will probably listed in the Minutes. The two Meeting Houses in SC are as follows: 1. Bush River Meeting in Newberry County, South Carolina. 2. Cane Creek Meeting House in Union County, SC. However, the Quakers kept wonderful records. The records of their Minutes of their Meetings reflect names of members, birth records, marriage records, and death records, etc. I read that about 1802, moved by a desire to live in a country where no slaves were held, Friends of Bush River began migration to Ohio. Between 1802 and 1807 more than one hundred certificates of removal were issued, most of them being for families. This so depleted the membership that the monthly meeting seem to have been all but abandoned in 1808, though not formally laid down until 1822. Much the same thing happened to Cane Creek Meeting House per records. The "The Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy" by W.W. Hinshaw have recorded the Minutes of these Minutes, including names of members. I put in on Keyword on my computer: Quakers and South Carolina It got me into a site that told about these Quakers in Bush River and Cane Creek. This got me into some bits of the Hinshaw Quaker Records, it listed names of members that left SC. I am sure it was not as complete as the Hinshaw Encyclopedias, but you may find your missing ancestor. I found out one of the Volumes has minutes pertaining to NC and SC, and another Volumes have minutes and names of members in Ohio. When you get into this site. try different links, it names some members that were in GA and NC. Thought I would pass this on. Maybe our ancestors did not go to outer space after all......they just moved to Ohio. I will relate what happened that caused me to look into the Quaker records. For 17 years I have been looking for the father of my gggf CHANDLER PALMER, b: abt 1800 and raised a family in Anderson Co., SC. Someone saw my query and wrote me she saw a name in a Quaker Cemetery in Iowa by the name of CHANDLER PALMER, b: ca 1774. (26 older than my gggf) The information she had was that this was the Harrison Friends Cemetery, and was named Harrison because these people were from Ohio. Me and a cousin in Salt Lake City who has been searching for this missing father to our Chandler Palmer are now searching this out. It may not be, however, it may my missing ancestor. Theory: Chandler Palmer, Sr., have joined the Quakers and moved with them to Ohio. Chandler Palmer, Jr., have stayed near relatives in SC with his family. Once in Ohio, some of the Quakers moved further west. This may or may not be my missing ancestor.....but this is an example how these folks moved around. When our research is completed, I will let folks know if he is indeed my missing ancestor. 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I completely agree w/Betty re: the Quaker records. I never knew I had ancestors in the Newberry and Edgefield areas, but someone gave me a clue abt them a couple of yrs ago, and it was amazing what I found. They kept meticulous records and sometimes even told where folks moved to or moved from. I was able to track my PARKINS line pretty closely through the Bush River Meeting House records. On one marriage, they even recorded the consummation as OBSERVED by several elders (all men) of the church. They could have counted me out on that one!!! That is true, but not my point at all. It may just be that you have a Quaker ancestor and don't even know it; I didn't have a clue that I did. God bless, Dolores -----Original Message----- From: BLRIC@aol.com [mailto:BLRIC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:55 AM To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Old96] Fwd: Upper SC Research --part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Original e-mail sent with incomplete address. Am forwarding this with correct address to SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com. Betty --part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <BLRIC@aol.com> From: BLRIC@aol.com Full-name: BLRIC Message-ID: <1d2.971545.2b61058c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:45:00 EST Subject: Upper SC Research To: SC-OLD96@rootsweb.com CC: BLRIC@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Hi, Since all of us that are OLD96 list members are looking for needle in a haystack, I heard about a new place to look to find my Palmer's who lived in Pendleton District and then Anderson Co., SC, and who I had thought took a spaceship to outer space. I had heard there were two Quaker Meeting Houses in upper SC in the late 1700s and early 1800s. I had read that these Meeting Houses and most of the congregation up and move to Ohio. I had read that a Jesse Palmer in Newberry County, SC, left with them and came back later to Newberry County, SC in his older age. From Ohio, some went in to other parts of the country, usually following the Quakers. However, any move will probably listed in the Minutes. The two Meeting Houses in SC are as follows: 1. Bush River Meeting in Newberry County, South Carolina. 2. Cane Creek Meeting House in Union County, SC. However, the Quakers kept wonderful records. The records of their Minutes of their Meetings reflect names of members, birth records, marriage records, and death records, etc. I read that about 1802, moved by a desire to live in a country where no slaves were held, Friends of Bush River began migration to Ohio. Between 1802 and 1807 more than one hundred certificates of removal were issued, most of them being for families. This so depleted the membership that the monthly meeting seem to have been all but abandoned in 1808, though not formally laid down until 1822. Much the same thing happened to Cane Creek Meeting House per records. The "The Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy" by W.W. Hinshaw have recorded the Minutes of these Minutes, including names of members. I put in on Keyword on my computer: Quakers and South Carolina It got me into a site that told about these Quakers in Bush River and Cane Creek. This got me into some bits of the Hinshaw Quaker Records, it listed names of members that left SC. I am sure it was not as complete as the Hinshaw Encyclopedias, but you may find your missing ancestor. I found out one of the Volumes has minutes pertaining to NC and SC, and another Volumes have minutes and names of members in Ohio. When you get into this site. try different links, it names some members that were in GA and NC. Thought I would pass this on. Maybe our ancestors did not go to outer space after all......they just moved to Ohio. I will relate what happened that caused me to look into the Quaker records. For 17 years I have been looking for the father of my gggf CHANDLER PALMER, b: abt 1800 and raised a family in Anderson Co., SC. Someone saw my query and wrote me she saw a name in a Quaker Cemetery in Iowa by the name of CHANDLER PALMER, b: ca 1774. (26 older than my gggf) The information she had was that this was the Harrison Friends Cemetery, and was named Harrison because these people were from Ohio. Me and a cousin in Salt Lake City who has been searching for this missing father to our Chandler Palmer are now searching this out. It may not be, however, it may my missing ancestor. Theory: Chandler Palmer, Sr., have joined the Quakers and moved with them to Ohio. Chandler Palmer, Jr., have stayed near relatives in SC with his family. Once in Ohio, some of the Quakers moved further west. This may or may not be my missing ancestor.....but this is an example how these folks moved around. When our research is completed, I will let folks know if he is indeed my missing ancestor. Betty --part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary-- ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== This list serves the area that encompasses present day Spartanburg, Union, Laurens, Abbeville, Newberry, Edgefield and parts of Anderson and Cherokee and adjoining Counties along the NC line. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dorothy, Did you read the original census handwriting yourself. If not, perhaps it is a case of a transcriber's handwriting interpretation. Other than that, I am out of ideas. Judy

Dorothy, Her name could have been Martha Matilda and she switched between them. I have a Catherine Lucretia named for two aunts. I find her at times as Catherine and at times as Lucretia. The census that throws me is when ?she? is recorded as L. E. I think the name of another aunt came into play: Catherine Lucretia Elizabeth; but I don't know for sure. Joe Fox, researching lines of James D. Fox, Mortimore Simmons, Thomas L. Tucker, and Josiah Lard

--part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Original e-mail sent with incomplete address. Am forwarding this with correct address to SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com. Betty --part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <BLRIC@aol.com> From: BLRIC@aol.com Full-name: BLRIC Message-ID: <1d2.971545.2b61058c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:45:00 EST Subject: Upper SC Research To: SC-OLD96@rootsweb.com CC: BLRIC@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Hi, Since all of us that are OLD96 list members are looking for needle in a haystack, I heard about a new place to look to find my Palmer's who lived in Pendleton District and then Anderson Co., SC, and who I had thought took a spaceship to outer space. I had heard there were two Quaker Meeting Houses in upper SC in the late 1700s and early 1800s. I had read that these Meeting Houses and most of the congregation up and move to Ohio. I had read that a Jesse Palmer in Newberry County, SC, left with them and came back later to Newberry County, SC in his older age. From Ohio, some went in to other parts of the country, usually following the Quakers. However, any move will probably listed in the Minutes. The two Meeting Houses in SC are as follows: 1. Bush River Meeting in Newberry County, South Carolina. 2. Cane Creek Meeting House in Union County, SC. However, the Quakers kept wonderful records. The records of their Minutes of their Meetings reflect names of members, birth records, marriage records, and death records, etc. I read that about 1802, moved by a desire to live in a country where no slaves were held, Friends of Bush River began migration to Ohio. Between 1802 and 1807 more than one hundred certificates of removal were issued, most of them being for families. This so depleted the membership that the monthly meeting seem to have been all but abandoned in 1808, though not formally laid down until 1822. Much the same thing happened to Cane Creek Meeting House per records. The "The Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy" by W.W. Hinshaw have recorded the Minutes of these Minutes, including names of members. I put in on Keyword on my computer: Quakers and South Carolina It got me into a site that told about these Quakers in Bush River and Cane Creek. This got me into some bits of the Hinshaw Quaker Records, it listed names of members that left SC. I am sure it was not as complete as the Hinshaw Encyclopedias, but you may find your missing ancestor. I found out one of the Volumes has minutes pertaining to NC and SC, and another Volumes have minutes and names of members in Ohio. When you get into this site. try different links, it names some members that were in GA and NC. Thought I would pass this on. Maybe our ancestors did not go to outer space after all......they just moved to Ohio. I will relate what happened that caused me to look into the Quaker records. For 17 years I have been looking for the father of my gggf CHANDLER PALMER, b: abt 1800 and raised a family in Anderson Co., SC. Someone saw my query and wrote me she saw a name in a Quaker Cemetery in Iowa by the name of CHANDLER PALMER, b: ca 1774. (26 older than my gggf) The information she had was that this was the Harrison Friends Cemetery, and was named Harrison because these people were from Ohio. Me and a cousin in Salt Lake City who has been searching for this missing father to our Chandler Palmer are now searching this out. It may not be, however, it may my missing ancestor. Theory: Chandler Palmer, Sr., have joined the Quakers and moved with them to Ohio. Chandler Palmer, Jr., have stayed near relatives in SC with his family. Once in Ohio, some of the Quakers moved further west. This may or may not be my missing ancestor.....but this is an example how these folks moved around. When our research is completed, I will let folks know if he is indeed my missing ancestor. Betty --part1_6f.342a186d.2b6107de_boundary--

Hi Dorothy, I am not sure of that situation but you can go here http://www.tngenweb.org/franklin/frannick.htm and get a full dose of nicknames. Good hunting. Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com List admin for SC-Old96 Researching: WADE, HAMES -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Norris [mailto:dhnorris@seark.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:47 PM To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Old96] Question Has anyone ever seen the name Martha used as a "nickname" for Matilda?? I know that Polly was used for Mary, and Sallie is used for Sarah, but, I got a problem with a census, The lady is listed as Martha on the 1860, then on 1870 someone is listed as Matilda, same age and born in the same place. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance, dorothy norris Researching James Garner, James Garner Jr, and Vincent Garner in Old 96 Dist, ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== If you need to unsubscribe for any reason, send a note to SC-Old96-l-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of the message: unsubscribe. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Has anyone ever seen the name Martha used as a "nickname" for Matilda?? I know that Polly was used for Mary, and Sallie is used for Sarah, but, I got a problem with a census, The lady is listed as Martha on the 1860, then on 1870 someone is listed as Matilda, same age and born in the same place. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance, dorothy norris Researching James Garner, James Garner Jr, and Vincent Garner in Old 96 Dist,

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!! At 04:02 PM 1/17/03 -0700, you wrote: >SC-OLD96-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 11 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [Old96] NEW ADDITION TO FTM PROGRA ["Louise" <mlhjds@gate.net>] >_____________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:50:48 -0500 >From: "Louise" <mlhjds@gate.net> >To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <003601c2bde4$01ccfe40$2fae56d1@0018312435> >Subject: [Old96] NEW ADDITION TO FTM PROGRAM >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Sure am glad I got my FTM program straightened out because I became a great >grandmother for the first time tonight...a new addition to the Sullivan >family. Louise >

Sure am glad I got my FTM program straightened out because I became a great grandmother for the first time tonight...a new addition to the Sullivan family. Louise

Thanks to all of you kind folks that replied. I finally got it to print the data by going to the File menu, print family group, when the print 'window' came up, I deleted the check in the box by "print color". That worked. Louise

Louise, Go to "Print reports" in the file menu. Select from the bar at the top "Family Group". In the first section of options you will have 3 choices: "single family", "cascading", or "blank form". If "blank form" is highlighted, you will print a form without data. Hope this helps. M. Lee Dowdy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise" <mlhjds@gate.net> To: <SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:03 PM Subject: [Old96] HELP - with FTM program > Ever since I upgraded to version 9 of the Family Tree Program, it will not > print out the Family Group Sheets. The data is shown on the screen, but > when I try to print it out, all that prints is blank lines - no data. Every > other item prints out O.K. - just the Group Sheets won't. Thanks for any > suggestions. Louise > > > ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== > Anyone "flaming" another member or being otherwise discourteous will receive one private warning and the second offense will result in your being barred from this list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ever since I upgraded to version 9 of the Family Tree Program, it will not print out the Family Group Sheets. The data is shown on the screen, but when I try to print it out, all that prints is blank lines - no data. Every other item prints out O.K. - just the Group Sheets won't. Thanks for any suggestions. Louise

Looking for any information on a Homer Webb who married a unknown Stonum. He most likely was born and spent time in old 96 SC. William W. Hatcher Sr. Milledgeville, Ga. ( Phone: 912-454-3468 God Bless America! > -----Original Message----- > From: LEastes2@aol.com [mailto:LEastes2@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:23 PM > To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Old96] My Surnames from Old 96 > > Hi Everyone! > > I am new to this list and wish to send along the surnames that I am searching > for in Old 96 prior to 1800: > >                 BRISTO/ BRISTOW/ BRISTER >                CRUMBLISS >                ESTES/ EASTES/ etc >                HARVEY >                HOLCOMBE >                MULLICAN >                NEIGHBORS >                WEBB > > > Most of these surnames were located in Edgefield and Greenville Counties. > > I have some information on each of these that I will share. > > Best Regards > > Roy Eastes > > ************************ > > Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy > father, and he will show thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee." > > > Deuteronomy 32:7 > > ********************* > > They are truly not gone, Unless they are forgotten - > > > - anon > > ********************* > > See - "The Eastes Family History Record Bank" > @ - - www.eastes.org > > > > ______________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002