East of the Catawba 1764- West of the Catawba 1772 Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mildred "Mickey" Fournier" <mfournier@atlantic.net> To: <SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: [Old96] North Carolina/ South Carolina line > I realize I should know this but it occurs to me that I don't! Can someone > tell me when the line between the Carolinas was finally settled? Thanks.

I realize I should know this but it occurs to me that I don't! Can someone tell me when the line between the Carolinas was finally settled? Thanks. Mickey Mildred "Mickey" Fournier PO Box 1967, Lake City, FL 32056 mailto:mfournier@atlantic.net

Dear Roy, I noticed in your post of 1/13/03 that ESTES is listed among your surnames. I am researching ESTES, COCKERHAM, DOBBS, and others who were in Old 96 prior to 1800. I am very interested in discovering the ancestors of my ESTES 4-g-grandmother. Do you have any information at all on the Nancy ESTES listed below? Descendants of Nancy Estes 1 Nancy Estes 1776 - 1842 .. +William Winn Cockerham ......... 2 Mary "Polly" Cockerham 1808 - 1866 ............. +Silas Dobbs 1794 - 1864 Thanks and have a great weekend! Linda Garland Hayes At 12:23 PM 1/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Everyone! > >I am new to this list and wish to send along the surnames that I am searching >for in Old 96 prior to 1800: > > BRISTO/ BRISTOW/ BRISTER > CRUMBLISS > ESTES/ EASTES/ etc ..........

>From Microfilmed records of Death Certificates available at the Camden Archives & Museum, 1922 Greenwood Co, SC Cert # 17317 Arthur Rufus Dean, Sr. White, Male, married b. June 30, 1847, SC Age: 75 years, 5 mo., 2 days Father: Aaron Dean Mother: Martha Bland d. Nov. 23, 1922, Pine St., Greenwood, Greenwood co., SC Cause: Arteriosclerosis; myocarditis; dysentery Buried: Greenwood, SC Undertaker: H. B. Ellis Informant: A. R. Dean, Jr. Comment: I had typed into my file the dath date of Nov 22 rather than Nov. 23. I have it sourced to John Buzhardt gedcom, August 1, 2000 <jbzhrdt@cox.net> and states it is from tombstone. This is in conflict with the info. from the death certificate. [Now which one of us made the transcrition error? or is there an actual difference. My grandmother's birthdate is one day off on the tombstone because my aunt gave it that way.] I'll recheck the death cert. next week, if someone will recheck the cem. records. Could be in a book copied wrong, or wrong on tombstone?? This is how I have him attached: Direct linage to Arthur Rufus Dean Sr. 1 William Simeon DEAN, Sr. b: November 02, 1765 in NC d: July 14, 1830 in Edgefield Co, SC Burial: Dean Cemetery, Edgefield Co, SC . +Nancy BRYANT b: June 09, 1765 in SC m: Bef. February 20, 1790 d: October 18, 1826 in SC Burial: Dean Cemetery, Edgefield Co, SC Father: Robert Bryant Mother: Sarah [Hobby] ..... 2 William DEAN, Jr. b: May 07, 1791 in SC d: October 26, 1834 in Edgefield Co, SC Burial: Dean Cemetery, Edgefield Co, SC ......... +Catherine CLARK b: Abt. 1798 d: Aft. 1860 Father: Aaron Clark Mother: Nancy ? ............ 3 Aaron Clark DEAN b: Bet. 1815 - 1821 in SC d: December 1905 in near Celestia, Saluda Co., SC Burial: near his home? ................ +Martha Ann BLAND b: May 18, 1817 in SC m: November 18, 1841 in Edgefield Co., SC d: November 01, 1898 in Edgefield Co, SC Father: Presley Bland Mother: Martha Barrington ................... 4 Arthur Rufus DEAN, Sr. b: June 20, 1847 in Edgefield Co, SC d: November 23, 1922 in Pine St., Greenwood Co., SC Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood Co., SC ...................... +Mary Ellen Belle Tompkins m. February 17, 1875 I assume the informant was the son Arthur Robert Dean. Here are the children I have attached: Descendants of Arthur Rufus Dean, Sr. 1 Arthur Rufus DEAN, Sr. b: June 20, 1847 in Edgefield Co, SC d: November 23, 1922 in Pine St., Greenwood Co., SC Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood Co., SC . +Mary Ellen Belle TOMPKINS b: August 31, 1851 in SC m: February 17, 1875 d: January 23, 1932 Burial: Magnolia Cemetery, Greenwood, SC Father: J. W. Thompkins Mother: Mary Allen ..... 2 Callie DEAN b: December 09, 1876 d: April 23, 1947 in Greenwood Co., SC Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood, SC ......... +John DEVORE m: January 1929 ..... 2 John Tompkins DEAN b: May 26, 1878 in Edgefield Co, SC d: September 18, 1967 in Anderson Co, SC ......... +Margaret Lula HINTON ..... 2 Arthur Robert DEAN b: January 27, 1880 in Edgefield Co, SC d: May 22, 1965 in Greenwood Co., SC ......... +Carrie S. PARKMAN b: February 09, 1879 in Edgefield Co, SC d: July 17, 1916 in Greenwood, Greenwood Co, SC Burial: City Cemetery, Greenwood, Greenwood Co, SC Father: Joseph Talbert 'Joe' Parkman Mother: Mattie Jane Bullock ..... 2 Benjamin Yancy DEAN b: September 12, 1881 d: March 01, 1986 in Greenwood Co., SC ......... +Nora CLEM ..... 2 Willie Joe DEAN b: May 18, 1883 in Edgefield Co, SC d: February 05, 1952 in Atlanta, Ga. Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood, SC ......... +Eula Bell ADAMS b: August 28, 1879 in Saluda Co., SC d: April 11, 1912 in Atlanta, Ga. Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood, SC ..... *2nd Wife of Willie Joe DEAN: ......... +Barbara Marie SMITH b: September 18, 1895 in Atlanta, Ga. m: 1916 in Atlanta, GA. d: March 02, 1997 in Decatur, GA. ..... 2 Walter Edward DEAN b: February 04, 1885 in Edgefield Co, SC d: March 24, 1889 in Edgefield Co, SC Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood, SC ..... 2 Allen Clark DEAN b: May 21, 1888 in Edgefield Co, SC d: October 04, 1957 in Greenville Co, SC Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood, SC ..... 2 Mattie Ellen DEAN b: May 21, 1888 in Edgefield Co, SC d: February 05, 1982 in Greenville Co, SC Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood, SC ......... +John W. TOMPSON m: December 27, 1911 ..... 2 Ullie Mae DEAN b: April 29, 1891 in Edgefield Co, SC d: November 17, 1987 in Greenwood Co., SC ..... 2 Maggie DEAN b: June 06, 1893 in Edgefield Co, SC d: July 24, 1893 in Greenwood Co., SC Burial: Magnolia Cem., Greenwood, SC Except for the ones in the 1880 census, most of the other info. came from Patrick Dean <fourdeans@anv.net>, papers of his father and grandmother including Bible records, cemetery records and hand written family notes that his grandmother had in her personal papers when she died. Additions and corrections are most welcome!!! H. B. Ellis funeral home has been bought out by Harley Funeral Home. However, they have all of Ellis' records in an upstairs room. My Mom and I went up and sat and went thru the earliest ones, and found some good info. I found the maiden name of two of my early ancestors using their records, from records recording deaths prior to the requirement of death certificates in SC. Harley Funeral home Record Book #2: 1921-1923 Lists A. R. Dean Sr. as son of Aaron Dean and Martha Bland. His residence was given as Pine St., and he died at home. A wonderful project for someone would be to go thru these old records and extract the data! Billie

I am searching for any information on Edward and Mary Pryor or any variation of spelling who supposingly lived in South Carolina before obtaining 300 acres of land in Wilkes Co. Ga. in 1789. They had three sons, John, Obediah, and Allen. Thank you, Dottie Tinsley Midlothian, Va

I have the formation of counties booklet that was published by the SC Dept of Archives and History and there is no records of a Graves Co. Joe is right in the info. on one of the early Royal Counties being Craven. Billie Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Harrington" <pastorjoe99@yahoo.com> To: <SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [Old96] GRAVES COUNTY > Are you sure? Could it have been Craven County? > The original "Royal Counties" (up to 1769) were Craven, Berkley, Colleton, > and Granville. Records for all four counties were kept in Charleston. > Joe Harrington > > -----Original Message----- > From: NBActon@aol.com [mailto:NBActon@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:33 PM > To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Old96] GRAVES COUNTY > > > Would anyone know where Graves Co. was in the period of 1757 in SC. I have > a > document that names a person's baptism in 1758 Halifax that was written in > the Ebenezer Book page 7. (Ebenezer, Effingham, GA) It is written that the > child was born in Graves Co. Can anyone identify? > > Nora > > Searching for: > PHELPS, WEST, CLARK, LEE (two lines), RICHARDSON, GRINER (GREINER), BRUNSON, > MCLEOD, GREGORY, PALMER, HICKS, BROWN, CHAPPELL, SCOTT, ACTON, CROCKETT and > more. All came to GEORGIA from NY, CT, VA, KY, NC, SC. Most stayed, but > some went on to: FL, LA, TX. > > > ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsubscribe for any reason, send a note to > SC-Old96-l-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of the message: > unsubscribe. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== > This list serves the area that encompasses present day Spartanburg, Union, Laurens, Abbeville, Newberry, Edgefield and parts of Anderson and Cherokee and adjoining Counties along the NC line. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 2/1/03 9:02:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, SC-OLD96-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > From: NBActon@aol.com [mailto:NBActon@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:33 PM > To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Old96] GRAVES COUNTY > > > Would anyone know where Graves Co. was in the period of 1757 in SC. I have > a > document that names a person's baptism in 1758 Halifax that was written in > the Ebenezer Book page 7. (Ebenezer, Effingham, GA) It is written that the > child was born in Graves Co. Can anyone identify? > > Nora > > Searching for: > PHELPS, WEST, CLARK, LEE (two lines), RICHARDSON, GRINER (GREINER), > BRUNSON, > MCLEOD, GREGORY, PALMER, HICKS, BROWN, CHAPPELL, SCOTT, ACTON, CROCKETT and > more. All came to GEORGIA from NY, CT, VA, KY, NC, SC. Most stayed, but > some went on to: FL, LA, TX. Nora, what is your earliest ancestor for HICKS and PHELPS? I am researching these names, also. I have my HICKS line back to Samuel HICKS, SR. of Henrico Co., VA, born1790. We think his father was Henry HICKS. My PHELPS line goes back to Enoch PHELPS born abt 1774 in NC. He had a brother, James S. PHELPS, and their father may be a Moses PHELPS found in Edgefield District, South Carolina as early as 1788. Enoch and James are known to be of Edgefield District, South Carolina. Moses was the only PHELPS in Edgefield District on the 1790 census and he had 2 males in his household that were of the right age to be Enoch and James. He was the only PHELPS in the area prior to 1790 as far as we have found in our research. I have more info if your are interested. Please let me know if either of these lines may connect to your HICKS and PHELPS. Davine Roberts DavineR@aol.com Jacksonville, FL

To all who answered my question concerning Graves Co. Thank You! I thought like everyone of you who answered....a mistake in writing and should be Craven and not Graves. Of course, I haven't seen the original and am only going on what I read on the web site!(?) and your help to make this decision. A good one as far as I am concerned....Craven it is! I did find out from some of you that "Halifax" is in GA and was known as the area between Augusta and Savannah along the Savannah River in the early 1700s before Parishes were established. I broadened my horizon and thought maybe this little tidbit might help others who are researching early GA records. Thanks loads for your help. I truly appreciate it. Nora Searching for: PHELPS, WEST, CLARK, LEE (two lines), RICHARDSON, GRINER (GREINER), BRUNSON, MCLEOD, GREGORY, PALMER, HICKS, BROWN, CHAPPELL, SCOTT, ACTON, CROCKETT and more. All came to GEORGIA from NY, CT, VA, KY, NC, SC. Most stayed, but some went on to: FL, LA, TX.

The only Graves County that I know of in the South is in Kentucky. Dee For details on the "lookup" reference sources used, refer to this link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbladen/lookups.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Harrington <pastorjoe99@yahoo.com> To: <SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [Old96] GRAVES COUNTY Are you sure? Could it have been Craven County? The original "Royal Counties" (up to 1769) were Craven, Berkley, Colleton, and Granville. Records for all four counties were kept in Charleston. Joe Harrington -----Original Message----- From: NBActon@aol.com [mailto:NBActon@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:33 PM To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Old96] GRAVES COUNTY Would anyone know where Graves Co. was in the period of 1757 in SC. I have a document that names a person's baptism in 1758 Halifax that was written in the Ebenezer Book page 7. (Ebenezer, Effingham, GA) It is written that the child was born in Graves Co. Can anyone identify? Nora Searching for: PHELPS, WEST, CLARK, LEE (two lines), RICHARDSON, GRINER (GREINER), BRUNSON, MCLEOD, GREGORY, PALMER, HICKS, BROWN, CHAPPELL, SCOTT, ACTON, CROCKETT and more. All came to GEORGIA from NY, CT, VA, KY, NC, SC. Most stayed, but some went on to: FL, LA, TX. ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== If you need to unsubscribe for any reason, send a note to SC-Old96-l-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of the message: unsubscribe. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== This list serves the area that encompasses present day Spartanburg, Union, Laurens, Abbeville, Newberry, Edgefield and parts of Anderson and Cherokee and adjoining Counties along the NC line. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Are you sure? Could it have been Craven County? The original "Royal Counties" (up to 1769) were Craven, Berkley, Colleton, and Granville. Records for all four counties were kept in Charleston. Joe Harrington -----Original Message----- From: NBActon@aol.com [mailto:NBActon@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:33 PM To: SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Old96] GRAVES COUNTY Would anyone know where Graves Co. was in the period of 1757 in SC. I have a document that names a person's baptism in 1758 Halifax that was written in the Ebenezer Book page 7. (Ebenezer, Effingham, GA) It is written that the child was born in Graves Co. Can anyone identify? Nora Searching for: PHELPS, WEST, CLARK, LEE (two lines), RICHARDSON, GRINER (GREINER), BRUNSON, MCLEOD, GREGORY, PALMER, HICKS, BROWN, CHAPPELL, SCOTT, ACTON, CROCKETT and more. All came to GEORGIA from NY, CT, VA, KY, NC, SC. Most stayed, but some went on to: FL, LA, TX. ==== SC-OLD96 Mailing List ==== If you need to unsubscribe for any reason, send a note to SC-Old96-l-request@rootsweb.com with one word in the body of the message: unsubscribe. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Would anyone know where Graves Co. was in the period of 1757 in SC. I have a document that names a person's baptism in 1758 Halifax that was written in the Ebenezer Book page 7. (Ebenezer, Effingham, GA) It is written that the child was born in Graves Co. Can anyone identify? Nora Searching for: PHELPS, WEST, CLARK, LEE (two lines), RICHARDSON, GRINER (GREINER), BRUNSON, MCLEOD, GREGORY, PALMER, HICKS, BROWN, CHAPPELL, SCOTT, ACTON, CROCKETT and more. All came to GEORGIA from NY, CT, VA, KY, NC, SC. Most stayed, but some went on to: FL, LA, TX.

Mike Lawson. Are your Lawsons from lower Spartanburg Co. SC around the Dutchman Creek area? My Great-great grandfather was Lawson Farmer. I do not know his mother's maiden name but have wondered if she could have been a Lawson. His father was Hezekiah Farmer and his mother may have been named Jane _________. Have any of your Lawsons married a Farmer?? Gayle

In a message dated 1/27/03 11:03:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, SC-OLD96-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > I am searching for ORRICK. They were in SC OLD 96 DISTRICT around > 1780-90. Someone verified the were there living with a certain group, > but did not say who these people were. I would like to know who they > were, INDIANS, QUAKERS. NAMES OF THE PEOPLE OR ANYTHING ABOUT. > THEY WERE IN RANDOLPH COUNTY NC IN 1790. THEN MOVED TO TN. > Please help. any info will help. Thanks, PAT>> > > Could they possibly be related to the ARICK family in FL in the 1800s? > Lorelle

I am searching for ORRICK. They were in SC OLD 96 DISTRICT around 1780-90. Some one verified the were there living with a certain group, but did not say who these people were. I would like to know who they were, INDIANS, QUAKERS. NAMES OF THE PEOPLE OR ANYTHING ABOUT. THEY WERE IN RANDOLPH COUNTY NC IN 1790. THEN MOVED TO TN. Please help. any info will help. Thanks, PAT

--part1_25.335092f5.2b6637b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nel, Correction to near the last paragraph in letter, beginning with "I would not mind you adding my name to Warren Palmer Line, but you can see I am NOT struggling".....Please delete NOT. Believe me, I AM struggling. Betty --part1_25.335092f5.2b6637b2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <BLRIC@aol.com> From: BLRIC@aol.com Full-name: BLRIC Message-ID: <114.1e1dd63a.2b6635b6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:11:50 EST Subject: Re: Hatcher-Palmer To: nelhatch@rapidnet.com, SC-OLD96-L@rootsweb.com CC: BLRIC@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Hi Nel, This is the first time I have made connection with a descendant of in Anderson County, SC, Palmer other than several that are researching Chandler/Martha Palmer Line. So maybe different pieces of info will reveal themselves that someday we may produce a picture of our Palmer's. First, give me a thumbnail lineage down to Warren Palmer, son of William Palmer. If you are a blood descendant of his wife, then he would have to your blood kin also, not just a collateral line. Give me just a quick lineage so I can get the picture. If you are blood kin to Warren Palmer, then you would be kin to his father and mother. I have some things in my files that may give you some places to get instruments that may tell you more. If that is a collateral line, you may not want to look into these things, but I will list them below: But before I begin let me tell you I am in the middle of cleaning and making new files and reviewing material that I have had for quite a while. So what ever I tell you is from memory, which is as follows: 1. Index to Deeds and a copy of a Deed that William conveys to his two sons property (sons' names listed). 2. A Deed that a William Palmer buys land from Jesse Palmer, 1823. (Note: I have always believed that the William may be a brother of Jesse reflected in the census) All these folks reflected in census are related, I believe.) 3. In the Index to Probate Records in Anderson Co., I noticed that papa William settled his estate after the Civil War and later his wife does so also. I will check all this out, because I cannot remember if they settled it Intestate (without a Will) or Testate (with a Will). Hopefully, it will be without a Will, then the State requires the court to appoint an Administrator, names all heirs, takes inventory of everything in their home, etc., many letters go back and forth between family members and Judge, etc. Sometime it takes several years to complete probating it without a Will (or Intestate). With a Will, he names the persons who he wants to leave everything to, but sometimes he has already given someone something earlier, and leaves them out of the Will, or could be a conflict in the family and leave someone out. So, I love the Intestate probating. 4. Another thing I have is a 1868 Map of Anderson, especially Townville, reflecting where different families live. It has the names of where the Palmer's live. I believe this is still available through their Historical Society for a nominal cost (abt $7.00). I will check and find the address where it may be ordered. 5. One place to look in Anderson, is the "Book of the Dead" which many larger libraries have. It list all those buried in various cemeteries. When I have found a death date of one of the older persons, I call the Anderson County Library and ask if they look in their old newspapers for that date and send me an Obituary if one exists. They are so nice and helpful. 6. Did Warren serve in the Civil War. Get his papers, especially his or his widow's Application for a Pension. They are asked many questions and tells you many things about the family. You give me a thumbnail lineage of the descendants of Warren Palmer, and then since you live in SD, I might be able to offer some suggestions for finding your Hatchers. I did find one of the Hatchers in Pendleton in 1800 in one of my books entitled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, SC" compiled by William C. Stewart who was commissioned by the National Genealogical Society, Washington, DC, to go into the Nat'l Archives and compile these records. There was only one Hatcher. Edward Hatcher, #20010-22010-00 To tell you something about Pendleton District to help you understand why records are so hard to find. After the Revolutionary War, US pushed the Cherokee Indians out of the upper part SC, and land became available to settlers who were coming from VA and NC through State Land Grants. To make matters more complicated, about the time of the Revolutionary War, the state line between NC and SC was defined. So someone could have land in what they thought was SC, but it turned out to be in a county in NC and their records are there. Also, to complicate this, even the early land grants could be filed in one courthouse in a District, and a few years later that Districts may be divided and you may not be sure where records are filed. Add to that that some the large fighting in the Revolutionary War was in upper SC and then the Civil War took its toll in SC. No marriage license until much later, nor death certificates and births. Some churches did keep records of these events, but not good records and they are not many. The best place to find records are in Court records. If an estate was less than $1000.00 in value it will be found in the Probate Records, and if it is more than $1000.00, you will find the probation of it in the Minutes of the Ordinary Court. For this you must get microfilm films from LDS and read them at your local FHC. If your family was in upper SC during the time of the Revolutionary War, you may find them on the Tory or Loyalist List because many were still loyal to their home country and sided with the British. There was basically a Civil War going on in that area between folks as well as the Revolutionary War between nations. You were unsure if your neighbors were your enemies. So there is a Tory List. I had gotten a list at Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, but someone put this URL to get a partial list of the Tories. http://sc_tories.tripod.com/loyalists_captured_in_december_1775.htm I do not know if this will help, but soon in SC you will learn you must look under every stone. You stated that you have a few names you share are ANDERSON and MILTON REESE, and where the names come from. I am not sure originally where they come from, but Chandler/Martha (my line) have a son, Anderson, and another Charles Milton Reese Palmer. If you want to do some searching on your computer about the Quakers in your area, do this: Go to Key Word: Type in: Quakers and South Carolina be sure you type in "and." Then it is going to give you many links. I found many names of folks that left SC, NC and there was another Quaker group in Georgia. Now remember, these Quakers did not necessarily meet every day, but went to these large Quaker Meetings every so often. So back then, traveling a long ways did not seem to stop them. I would not mind you adding my name to the Warren Palmer line, but as you can see I am not struggling along trying to find my ancestors just like everyone else. But I have seen from my Robertson side, that when you are willing to collaborate your research, but make sure everyone is willing to give substantiated information, you have greater luck. Each person comes into research with different thoughts and ideas, and possibly something that has been handed down in a family. Someone in your family has been exposed to hearing an older person tell family stories and they are often handed down. What is your DNA Project? That, for sure, is the best way to see if you are kin, but does not give the links that you are looking for. Let me hear from you, Betty Please excus typos and errors. It is late and I do not see them until I mail out my letter. --part1_25.335092f5.2b6637b2_boundary--

Hi Nel, This is the first time I have made connection with a descendant of in Anderson County, SC, Palmer other than several that are researching Chandler/Martha Palmer Line. So maybe different pieces of info will reveal themselves that someday we may produce a picture of our Palmer's. First, give me a thumbnail lineage down to Warren Palmer, son of William Palmer. If you are a blood descendant of his wife, then he would have to your blood kin also, not just a collateral line. Give me just a quick lineage so I can get the picture. If you are blood kin to Warren Palmer, then you would be kin to his father and mother. I have some things in my files that may give you some places to get instruments that may tell you more. If that is a collateral line, you may not want to look into these things, but I will list them below: But before I begin let me tell you I am in the middle of cleaning and making new files and reviewing material that I have had for quite a while. So what ever I tell you is from memory, which is as follows: 1. Index to Deeds and a copy of a Deed that William conveys to his two sons property (sons' names listed). 2. A Deed that a William Palmer buys land from Jesse Palmer, 1823. (Note: I have always believed that the William may be a brother of Jesse reflected in the census) All these folks reflected in census are related, I believe.) 3. In the Index to Probate Records in Anderson Co., I noticed that papa William settled his estate after the Civil War and later his wife does so also. I will check all this out, because I cannot remember if they settled it Intestate (without a Will) or Testate (with a Will). Hopefully, it will be without a Will, then the State requires the court to appoint an Administrator, names all heirs, takes inventory of everything in their home, etc., many letters go back and forth between family members and Judge, etc. Sometime it takes several years to complete probating it without a Will (or Intestate). With a Will, he names the persons who he wants to leave everything to, but sometimes he has already given someone something earlier, and leaves them out of the Will, or could be a conflict in the family and leave someone out. So, I love the Intestate probating. 4. Another thing I have is a 1868 Map of Anderson, especially Townville, reflecting where different families live. It has the names of where the Palmer's live. I believe this is still available through their Historical Society for a nominal cost (abt $7.00). I will check and find the address where it may be ordered. 5. One place to look in Anderson, is the "Book of the Dead" which many larger libraries have. It list all those buried in various cemeteries. When I have found a death date of one of the older persons, I call the Anderson County Library and ask if they look in their old newspapers for that date and send me an Obituary if one exists. They are so nice and helpful. 6. Did Warren serve in the Civil War. Get his papers, especially his or his widow's Application for a Pension. They are asked many questions and tells you many things about the family. You give me a thumbnail lineage of the descendants of Warren Palmer, and then since you live in SD, I might be able to offer some suggestions for finding your Hatchers. I did find one of the Hatchers in Pendleton in 1800 in one of my books entitled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, SC" compiled by William C. Stewart who was commissioned by the National Genealogical Society, Washington, DC, to go into the Nat'l Archives and compile these records. There was only one Hatcher. Edward Hatcher, #20010-22010-00 To tell you something about Pendleton District to help you understand why records are so hard to find. After the Revolutionary War, US pushed the Cherokee Indians out of the upper part SC, and land became available to settlers who were coming from VA and NC through State Land Grants. To make matters more complicated, about the time of the Revolutionary War, the state line between NC and SC was defined. So someone could have land in what they thought was SC, but it turned out to be in a county in NC and their records are there. Also, to complicate this, even the early land grants could be filed in one courthouse in a District, and a few years later that Districts may be divided and you may not be sure where records are filed. Add to that that some the large fighting in the Revolutionary War was in upper SC and then the Civil War took its toll in SC. No marriage license until much later, nor death certificates and births. Some churches did keep records of these events, but not good records and they are not many. The best place to find records are in Court records. If an estate was less than $1000.00 in value it will be found in the Probate Records, and if it is more than $1000.00, you will find the probation of it in the Minutes of the Ordinary Court. For this you must get microfilm films from LDS and read them at your local FHC. If your family was in upper SC during the time of the Revolutionary War, you may find them on the Tory or Loyalist List because many were still loyal to their home country and sided with the British. There was basically a Civil War going on in that area between folks as well as the Revolutionary War between nations. You were unsure if your neighbors were your enemies. So there is a Tory List. I had gotten a list at Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, but someone put this URL to get a partial list of the Tories. http://sc_tories.tripod.com/loyalists_captured_in_december_1775.htm I do not know if this will help, but soon in SC you will learn you must look under every stone. You stated that you have a few names you share are ANDERSON and MILTON REESE, and where the names come from. I am not sure originally where they come from, but Chandler/Martha (my line) have a son, Anderson, and another Charles Milton Reese Palmer. If you want to do some searching on your computer about the Quakers in your area, do this: Go to Key Word: Type in: Quakers and South Carolina be sure you type in "and." Then it is going to give you many links. I found many names of folks that left SC, NC and there was another Quaker group in Georgia. Now remember, these Quakers did not necessarily meet every day, but went to these large Quaker Meetings every so often. So back then, traveling a long ways did not seem to stop them. I would not mind you adding my name to the Warren Palmer line, but as you can see I am not struggling along trying to find my ancestors just like everyone else. But I have seen from my Robertson side, that when you are willing to collaborate your research, but make sure everyone is willing to give substantiated information, you have greater luck. Each person comes into research with different thoughts and ideas, and possibly something that has been handed down in a family. Someone in your family has been exposed to hearing an older person tell family stories and they are often handed down. What is your DNA Project? That, for sure, is the best way to see if you are kin, but does not give the links that you are looking for. Let me hear from you, Betty Please excus typos and errors. It is late and I do not see them until I mail out my letter.

----- Original Message ----- From: <g.k.williams@charter.net> To: <SCUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: [SCUNION] Eliphus L. Linder > Eliphus L. Linder of Bogansville, Union Co, SC was evidently married twice. His first wife was Cornelia Sumner Linder who died 1 Nov. 1878 and is buried beside him at the Linder-Sumner Cemetery . > > Buried at Mt. Lebanon Baptist Church Cemetery in Union is Lucinda Linder > 5-16-1844- 3-20-1896 > wife of Eliffus Linder > > Does anyone have proof of the maiden name of Lucinda Linder? > > Does anyone have the names of the parents of Cornelia Sumner Linder? > > Thanks, Gayle > > > ==== SCUNION Mailing List ==== > The Union County SC GenWeb page is located at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~scunion/union.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I received the Jan GRAB from the Old 96th Dist Gen. Society this week and wrote quite a few messages to members who were on the membership list with email addresses. The following bounced. If you are out there, I have a common surname of interest. Please contact me at Billie Jones tjones@camden.net Arden K. Lites lites@sonic.net - HILL, JORDAN Thomas Jenkins tjjenks4@aol.com - SCURRY Ianthe Lewis Smith iathe@satx.rr.com - HILL - William Hill, SC My Old Ninety Six - Old Edgefield Dist, SC Surnames - most back to at least the 1790 Census : Bryan/Bryant, Burnett, Carter, Coursey, Dean/Deen, Gentry/Jentry, Holloway, Hill, Jordan, Kirkland, Loveless, May, Mitchell, Rotton/Rauton/etc., Reynolds, Rowe/Roe, Scurry, possibly Withers. Also: Hardy, Rivers, Watkins who were in Edgefield for a short time before moving to the Warren Co., Ga area. Some of the Related lines thru siblings: Adams, Arthur, Bean, Boggero, Broom, Cogburn, Cockroft, Cook, Dozier, Holmes, Lott, Raborn, Still, White, Youngblood and many more.

WILLIAM H. KITCHENS, b. Aug. 13, 1841; d. Sept. 25, 1918, Jones Co., Ga. married Sarah E. Gove, b. Jun. 29, 1846; d. Nov. 27, 1922, Jones Co., Ga. Both buried in "Person #36, William Kitchens Cemetery, Jones Co., Ga. Sarah E. Gove was the daughter of Rev. Samuel F. Gove, b. Weymouth, Mass.; d. Macon, Bibb Co., Ga.; and Sarah L. Lester, b. 1828. They were married Nov. 17, 1844, Bibb Co., Ga.

Mike, The 1880 census is available online at http://www.familysearch.org You can search by first name, last name, year of birth, place of birth, etc. From doing a quick search, I found a Madaline Kitchens which could possibly be the census-takers spelling of "Magdeline". Perhaps she is your Maggie Lee?? Have fun searching through the census! Hopefully you will find some family connections through the email list. Melissa --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now