Pam, I am finally getting around to going over the file on William Raborn that you sent me May 15. As I go thru, I am going to copy specific descrepancies/Questions/Additions that I have into this message. Some based on facts, some based on information from others that I have not verified. Most based on census reseach, altho I really need to get the 1840 & 1860 census to check on some of the children where we have conflicts in dates. YOU SENT the following info on the Children of William Raborn and Susannah Loveless: 1- Elizabeth RABORN b: Abt 1808 in , Edgefield Dist., SC 2- Sarah RABORN b: Abt 1809 in , Edgefield Dist., SC 3- Henry B. RABORN b: Abt 1810 in , Edgefield Dist., SC 4- Benjamin Lovelace RABORN b: 20 Mar 1815 in , Edgefield Dist., SC 5- William M. RABORN b: Abt 1816 in , Edgefield Dist., SC 6- Harriett Susannah RABORN b: 14 Jan 1817 in Aiken, Edgefield Dist., SC 7- John L. RABORN b: 28 Dec 1821 in , Edgefield Dist., SC 8- Lucretia M. RABORN b: 14 Oct 1828 in Brooklyn, , AL 9- Joseph Elijah RABORN b: 1831 in Brooklyn, , AL 10- Elihu Allen RABORN b: 1833 in Brooklyn, , AL 11- Simeon RABORN b: 1834 in Brooklyn, , AL COMMENTS Based on my research: First off , NOTE BELOW THAT ALL CHILDREN WERE BORN IN SC 1850 Edgefield Co census, p. 164 gives Susannah Raiborn as head of household # 634 age 57, b. SC with real estate value of $700. [24th day of August, 1850] Raiborn Susannah 50 F 500 SC Raiborn W. M. 24 M Farmer SC Raiborn Lucretia 22 F SC Raiborn Elizabeth 20 F SC Raiborn Elijah 18 M Farmer SC Raiborn Simeon 14 M SC Martin Susannah 7 F SC *This does not have all the children, but if Simeon is the youngest, and he is born in SC, then would assume all born in SC. __________________________________________ 1- Elizabeth - according to the 1850 and 1880 census info. that I have on her, she was born ca 1829-1832. 1850 : see above census. Using LDS Census CD's I found the following record of Elihu Raborn and his family. Elizabeth is living with him in AL, age 48. [Best to check original if you can, as I have found transcription errors that were quite genealogically important in some of the folks in SC that I have checked] 1880 Census Place: Union Church, Bullock, Alabama [Source: FHL Film 1254003 National Archives Film T9-0003, Page 174B] Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Elihu A. RABORN Self M M W 46 SC Occ: Farmer Fa: SC Mo: SC Fanny C. RABORN Wife F M W 36 SC Occ: Keeps House Fa: SC Mo: SC Susan D. RABORN Dau F S W 21 AL Fa: SC Mo: SC Henry E. RABORN Son M S W 18 AL Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: SC Mo: SC Joseph E. RABORN Son M S W 15 AL Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: SC Mo: SC Simien E. RABORN Son M S W 14 AL Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: SC Mo: SC Mary E. RABORN Dau F S W 12 AL Fa: SC Mo: SC Josaphine H. RABORN Dau F S W (3) AL Fa: SC Mo: SC Dudley RABORN Son M S W 2 AL Fa: SC Mo: SC Elizabeth D. RABORN Sister F W 48 SC Fa: SC Mo: SC Also the above of course gives Elihu Allen's information. ____________________________ 2- I don't have a Sarah Raborn for sure, but was sent the following informtion on her by Diane Sarten. "In your research would you have found any data on Sarah Raborn, daughter of William & Susannah. My records show she married John Wilson and then a Crowley. Nothing else is known about her." Diane Raborn Sarten I did find a Sarah married to a Wilson in census data of 1880, but this was pure speculation. I don't know for sure who she is and he late birthdate does not work for me, as Susannah would be 55. 1880 Census Place: Shultz, Aiken, South Carolina Source: FHL Film 1255218 National Archives Film T9-1218 Page 197D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Daniel WILSON Self M M W 46 VA Occ: Butcher Fa: VA Mo: VA Sarah WILSON Wife F M W 32 SC Occ: Keeping House Fa: SC Mo: SC Emaline WILSON Dau F S W 14 GA Occ: Without Occupation Fa: SC Mo: SC Jno H. WILSON Son M S W 10 GA Fa: SC Mo: SC William D. WILSON Son M S W 7 GA Fa: SC Mo: SC Do you have any additional informatin to support her birth at 1809 and her attachment to William Raborn and Susannah. I have CENSUS: 1810 Edgefield Co, SC, p. 53A ?0100-11010 (Which would put 2 daughters born before 1810. The ? is there because I could not tell if it was a mark or a smear. None of the pages that I have copied from the 1820 census contain a Raborn CENSUS: 1830 Edgefield Co, SC p. 162 Willam Raborn 1111001 - 2020010001 1m<5 (b. 1825-1829) William M. Jr. born ca 1826 1m 5<10 (b. 1820-1824) John L. ? born Dec. 28, 1821 1m 10<15 (b. 1815-1819) Benjamin Loveless Raborn b. March 20, 1815 1m 15<20 (1810-1815) Henry B. Raborn b. ca 1812 1m 40<50 (b. 1780-1790) - William Raborn head of household 2f<5 (b. 1825-1829) Elizabeth b ca 1829 and Lucretia b. ca 1828 2f 10<15 (b. 1815-1819) Harriett Susannah Raborn Jan 14, 1817 and *UNKNOWN DAUGHTER?? 1f 30<40 (b. 1790-1800) Susannah Loveless Raborn, wife 1f 70<80 (b, 1750-1760) Susannah's mother was born ca 1755. I have no death date. I know nothing of Williams's mother, so I cannot say with certainty who this is. The dates here account for one unknown female. And I don't know anything about a Sarah which you mention, as does Diane Sarten in her information. Can someone out there help here? CENSUS: 1840 Edgefield Dist, SC p. 63 William Raborn 03120001-0021001 3m 5<10 (1830-1835) Joseph Elijah b. ca 1832; Elihu Allen b. ca 1833; Simeon b. ca 1835 1m 10<15 (1825-1830) William M. Jr. born ca 1826 2m 15<20 (1820-1825) John L.born Dec. 28, 1821; ** 1m 50<60 William Raborn head of household 2f 10<15 (1825-1830) Elizabeth b ca 1829 and Lucretia b. ca 1828 1f 15<20 (1820-1825) Unknown daughter ; ** 1f 40>50 Susannah Loveless Raborn wife Henry B. Raborn was married in 1840. Don't know where he is living. **Harriett Susannah was married November 21, 1839. Her 1st husband John F. Martin b. 1805. They are living next door to her parents so not in the home. **Benjamin Loveless Raborn was married March 15, 1838 to Charlotte (Charity) McDaniel who was born 1821. Could she one of the unknown females in the 1820 - 1825 age range? Does anyone have him as head of a household in 1840? He is not listed on the page with his father and sisters houshold. Could he be the male in the 15<20 age bracket and misplaced. He does not fit there as he would be age 25, so should be in the next bracket. But I have one ancestor who got 16 years younger from the 1850 to the 1860 census. I wish I could do that. ____________________________ 3- Henry B. Raborn: note the more detailed dates than you had in your file Pam, as well as other children and wives. Brackets around first 2 names means I don't know about these. I found them in the church records, and thought they might connect, especially Emiline since that was Henry's first wife. But I have absolutely NO other record on them. Henry B. RABORN b: March 12, 1812 in Edgefield co., SC d: Bef. March 12, 1883 . +EMILINE d: October 1850 in Edgefield Co, SC ......... 2 [America RABORN] ......... 2 [Emeline RABORN] ......... 2 Mary Ann RABORN b: July 02, 1840 in Johnston, Edgefield Co., SC d: April 10, 1908 in Greenwood, SC Burial: Rocky Creek Baptist Ch., Johnson, Edgefield Co.,SC ............. +Abner BOLTON b: April 27, 1835 in SC m: December 14, 1856 in Edgefield Co, SC d: February 12, 1909 in Langley, Aiken Co., SC Burial: Rocky Creek Baptist Ch., Johnson, Edgefield Co.,SC Father: Joseph Bolton Mother: Sarah 'Sally' ......... 2 Margaret RABORN b: Abt. 1842 ......... 2 Jane Amanda RABORN b: October 29, 1844 in Edgefield Co, SC d: February 10, 1922 in SC Burial: Rocky Creek Baptist Church, Saluda Co, SC ............. +William A. CLARK b: Abt. 1842 m: March 09, 1883 ......... 2 Drucilla RABORN b: Abt. 1847 ......... 2 James W. RABORN b: Abt. 1848 d: May 19, 1864 *2nd Wife of Henry B. RABORN: . +Catherine MATHENY m: Aft. 1850 d: June 14, 1857 *3rd Wife of Henry B. RABORN: [name in 1880 census] . +Ann ? b: Abt. 1818 in SC m: Bef. 1880 [America & Emeline] - I know that these people existed and were received into membership of Rocky Creek Baptist Church Dec 2, 1859 [Rocky Creek Baptist Church, Edgefield Co., SC minutes 1831-1875]. However, I have not positively identified either of them as children of Henry and Emiline Raborn. Further study of earlier census records are needed to prove this family attachment. They are not found on the 1850 census with Henry Raborn unless she goes by another name. March 6, 1858, Emeline Holloway was granted a letter of dismissal from Rocky Creek Church. Is this a daughter Emeline Raborn and she is now married to a Holloway? 3B Regarding MARY ANN RABORN d/o Henry B. Raborn: Kenneth Burnett, another researcher of this family who sent me some info. on Abner Bolton that he died in Aiken Co, SC. Aiken was formed in 1871 from the lower part of Edgefield that included the area of North Augusta, Aiken, Langley, Graniteville, Etc. (I was born in North Augusta, as was my mother.) I'm wondering if either of you assumed the info. based on where they were living or have an obit to support the data. I will try to get in touch with him. I don't know if the email address I have is current. Their location in the 1880 census was the Mobley Township, Edgefield Co, SC That township would be Saluda Co. today. , but Edgefield Co. until 1895. But I have not checked their location in 1900. Would appreciate any source data that would clear this up. Death certificates not available for the time of their death. One definite error that you have made in your locations is that Johnston, SC is in Saluda Co. It is not, Johnston, SC is still in Edgefield, altho it is close to the Saluda Co. line. My grandfather was born there. As for the location of the graves of Abner Bolton and Mary Ann Raborn: Rocky Creek is listed on the Baptist Chruch records as being in Edgefield Co, SC., but according to the 2001 DOT map, it is right across the line in Saluda Co, SC. I guess the nearest town in Johnston, but it is 6 miles as the crow flies. For the location of the Cem., you might want to consider just putting Saluda Co, SC. and eliminate Johnston for clarity. I would have looked in the town of Johnston, had I not known better. I have extracted genalogical info. from the minutes of Rocky Creek Bap., and it is my understanding that it will be in the next Quill. ______________________________________ 5- William M. Raborn: You have him born in 1816. My records seem to support 1826 - 1830. Census: 1850 census same as the first one given at the beginning of this message, shows him, age 24, living with his widowed mother. Information from Raburn-L@rootsweb.com : [Evelyn at Remeve@aol.com] WILLIAM MARTIN2 RABORN (WILLIAM1) was born 1830 in Edgefield County, South Carolina, and died 07 Jan 1863 in Murphreesboro, Tennessee. He married ELIZABETH PITTS Abt. 1851. She was born 1829 in Edgefield County, South Carolina. This goes along with the census age as well. ________________________________________ 6- Harriett Susannah Raborn - since the family was in Dry Creek Baptist church while the children were being born, I don't think that Harriett Susannah was born in Aiken. Aiken, the town, is one of those places that was sometimes in Edgefield and sometimes in Barnwell Co., until the formation of Aiken Co. in 1871. Its a little too far south of the Johnston area. She, as well as the other children, were probably all born in the area around Lott's tavern, which became Johnston, in Edgefield Co., SC. Do you have some source documentation to prove otherwise? I havn't done any deeds on the Raborns. To further support the location, I checked the neighbors. In 1840 their next door neighbor was William Rotton. He married Lydia Loveless, sister to William Raborn's wife Susannah Loveless. These folks were all members of the Dry Creek Baptist Church together. I desc. from William Rotton's brother John Rotton, Sr. m. Mary ? . John and Mary and some of their children transferred their membership from Dry Creek (January 26, 1833) to Rocky Creek ( March 2, 1833). The exact death dates for both Mary and John Rotton, SR. are recorded in the Rocky Creek Baptist Church, Edgefield Co., SC minutes 1831-1875. Desc. John Rotton I know still live in Johnston. My g-grandmother Hulda Eva Rauton was born there. My grandfather, her son, Odell Cornish Coursey, son of Hulda and Charles Franklin Coursey was born there. Most of the Courseys that I have been in contact with, have now moved to Greenwood, Greenville, or to Aiken co, where my mother was born, as was I. But there are Rautons all over the place in the Johnston area. _______________________________________ 8- Lucretia Raborn: From the same Raburn list source: Evelyn <Remeve@aol.com> thru the Raborn List at rootsweb: LOUCRETIA2 RABORN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Oct 1828 in Edgefield County, South Carolina, and died 14 Apr 1890 in Brewton, Lowndes County, Alabama. She married EZEKIAL PICKENS LOVELACE. He was born 01 Jul 1829 in Dallas County, Alabama, and died 20 Jun 1905 in Brewton, Lowndes County, Alabama. Children of LOUCRETIA RABORN and EZEKIAL LOVELACE are: i. WILLIAM AARON3 LOVELACE, b. 07 Feb 1856; d. Jun 1932, Brewton, Lowndes County, Alabama. ii. LILLIE ELIZA LOVELACE. iii. JOHN B. LOVELACE. iv. IDA PICKENS (PICKIE) LOVELACE NOTE this states she was born in Edgefield Co., your information gives Brooklyn AL, and the 1880 Census CD (which I cannot check the original for accoracy) gives the location as NC. I believe this is a typo as the place of birth given for her as the mother of the children all say SC. 1880: Census Place: Brenton, Escambia, Alabama [Source: FHL Film 1254012 National Archives Film T9-0012 Page 191A ] Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace E. P. LOVELESS Self M M W 52 AL Occ: Farmer Fa: --- Mo: --- L. M. LOVELESS Wife F M W 53 MC Occ: Keeps House Fa: --- Mo: SC John LOVELESS Son M S W 18 AL Occ: Laborer Fa: AL Mo: SC Pickie LOVELESS Dau F S W 12 AL Fa: AL Mo: SC BACK to the 1850 CENSUS at the top: How did these last children get to be born in AL, when their father died in SC. According to the Dry Creek Baptist Church minutes: Dec. 27, 1851 states: "Next day on Sunday after Preaching Brother Wm Raborn applied for letters for his Mother and Sisters Lucretia and Elizabeth which was granted. Church then closed." So Susannah was still in SC in 1851, after her husband's death and after all the children were born. _______________________________ 9 - Joseph Elihu Raborn - note specific dates given below: Joseph Elijah RABORN b: September 13, 1832 d: July 05, 1906 in Dundee Archer Co, TX .. +Mary Ann "Mollie" Catherine MCKAY They came from Bruce McKay, Escondido, CA < bmckay@nctimes.net>, in a 11/19/2000 email message. I have no verification for this. ________________________________ Will stop for now. This is enought to mull over. Am also sending it to several web sites, so maybe other Raborn researchers will fill us in on what we do not know. Billie Jones Camden, SC tjones@camden.net