Ok I'm not real sure I know what is going on, but I did follow the link that was posted. I did see that you can yes op out with your family tree if you so choose to. However it seems a bit complicated to me. For one thing you must remember what your e-mail address was when you submitted your work......................agggg!! How many of us have changed address? Well my hand is up high. Anyway. I think if I am not wrong and sadly mistaken, and if so please forgive ahead of time!! What is online.....................is free...............will remain free, as long as it is being "seen and used online" What is going to be burned onto a "CD" in the form of a large TREE will be for sale. NOW what is going onto this "CD" user's of family tree maker who #1. posted to the family tree website their own work, thus making it public. And free for the taking................................ #2. user's that clicked on yes when the box pops up on their computer screen asking if they would like to submit their work to them at which time it puts you online if not already there, and then transmits your work to them for download into their systems. So they are going to make money off of your work or work of your own and others' if you have done either of these things anytime in the past umteen years gone by! Unless you struggle with the instructions posted and figure out how to delete your work out of their system.....................and they can and it is legal because you gave it to them in the first place. In other words................if you share freely..........as most of us like to try and do.............the big companies can come along with very little warning and post, publish, and profit from our work for free and make money doing it. It is sad......................but legal. I don't know if they will ever work out a fair way of doing all of this or not. BUT the saddest part of all is this........................................in the raw form, ie the records that our ancestors left behind, court records, birth, death, marriage, deeds, taxes, censuses what ever.............if we can find it or get to it and see it without paying to see it. I mean if we get in our can and drive to the proper place and ask and are shown where to look and the person there does not charge us to see it then it is "OPEN TO THE PUBLIC" now if we choose to sign up to ancestry.com or pay copy cost to take it home, or pay to develope film or buy a book or a cd or what ever, that is "OUR choice" we DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT TO SEE IT. Next who does it belong to in the first place? Ok say my Sister goes to Brantley Co. FIRST and finds a death cert. that I also want and need. Does the fact that she found it and went first make it hers and hers alone, or does it also belong to me, if I choose to go next and to the same sourse and get the same copy of the same death cert. If someone out there has the same tree, the same kin, the same history the same everything as you, does this mean that they stole it from you? NO They just happened opon the same documents as you did. NOW if you write a book and you publish that book and you put into that book your own words and comments. Then along comes someone else and they try to publish a book in their name that is word for word the same as yours is this breaking the law? ONLY if their comments are word for word the same as yours!!! In other words if the book is just plain: John Brown b. 1911 married Cindy Blue and had Johnny Blue Brown b. 1923 second book John Brown b. 1911 married Cindy Blue and had Johnny Blue Brown b. 1923 There can be on copyrights really to this as it is one and the same and is stating only the bare facts. Now if one book goes into telling things that perhaps only one person had access to about some of these people then that is different. Better yet, if the one puts into words in the book their own private thoughts and feelings about the lives and times of the folks involved then this makes it different and could then be copyrighted. But to publish just bear facts...............who can say who found it first. The first publication is after all the org. documents is it not? I think it just boils down to first come first serve.................or in this case first to publish first to profit from it. I know this is not what a lot of folks want to hear but it is the truth of the matter. I guess it just comes down to this....................how bad do you want to know the truth about your own families past. If we don't share, we don't learn. If we do share we take a risk of someone collecting what we put into words online, on paper or what ever and then selling it for profit. ME I try to collect a copy of each piece of evidence that proves what I find. Can this protect me...............well no not really but at least I can prove most of what I say on paper and I am willing to share that with others as well.. FYI and only one persons opinion of what this company is doing. Is it a good company...............well as companies go I suppose. We do after all benifit from their products. They are in business to make money and we all like what we find via them so who am I do pass judgement on them. later guys, Gail [email protected] [email protected] BUT ALWAYS embracer and always searching! ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SC] Free Family Tree Viewing to be eliminated - Ancestry Changes Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:58:49 EDT Just an FYI. My understanding is that they are not charging. Please see the message below that contains information from the ancestry.com help desk. I know it is confusing but I hope this helps a bit. Take care - Emma The message is below: Ancestry is *not* charging for access to trees or selling trees: access will remain free from both the RootsWeb and Ancestry side as it has always been. What Ancestry is offering for an extra charge is access to a special search engine to search the trees for you. 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> What is going to be burned onto a "CD" in the form of a large TREE will be > for sale. > > NOW what is going onto this "CD" > > Hi, I haven't heard anything about a CD. Here's what Myra Gormley had to say. She edits RootsWeb week in review that we all receive every week. She says it's a new search engine that you pay extra for. margy From: "Myra Vanderpool Gormley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree | Let's set the record straight, Family Trees you submit to RootsWeb's | WorldConnect and/or Ancestry World Tree continue to be free for anyone to | access and search just as they always have been. NOTHING has changed as to | your use of WorldConnect/AWT's combined database. | | The new program that has recently come along is One World Tree (OWT), which | is a new advanced subscription search feature ( it's a tool) that matches | data found in the free trees and some of the pay databases and census | records found at Ancestry, and stitches it into a finished product to cut | out the work of searching and matching data for the subscriber. What the | subscriber to OWT is paying for is the convenience of having the searching | and matching done for him....not for accessing or searching the free family | trees housed on their site. | | Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG | |