Note the Broad River on one of the wills below. Audrey Source: Early Wills of Mecklenburg County, VA, 1765-1799 "TAYLOR, Thomas, Senr. Will Book 1, Page 140 Names: Wife - Penelope TAYLOR Children - Thomas TAYLOR, John TAYLOR, William TAYLOR, Goodwyn TAYLOR, David TAYLOR, James TAYLOR, Mary TAYLOR, Susanna TAYLOR, Elizabeth WATSON, Jones TAYLOR Grandson - Thomas TAYLOR, son of Thomas TAYLOR Refers to land on Jeneto and Flatt Creeks in Mecklenburg County, and to land on both sides of Broad River in South Carolina. Executors: Sons William, James and David TAYLOR. Witnesses: Nathaniel EDWARDS, Thomas MALONE and Amey MALONE. Will dated Oct 24, 1772 Recorded Oct 9, 1773" "TAYLOR, William Will Book 1, Page 133 Names: Wife - not named in will and deceased Children - Robert TAYLOR, John TAYLOR, William TAYLOR, Elizabeth TAYLOR Children under age and executors to manage property Mentions sister Mary TAYLOR. Executors: Brothers *Henry, Lewis and Joseph SPEED. *Brothers in law. Witnesses: Mary SPEED, Lucy SPEED and Mathias SPEED Will dated Aug 26, 1772 Recorded Oct 12, 1772" "TAYLOR, Goodwyn Will Book 2, Page 183 Names: Wife - Amey TAYLOR Children: Sarah DORTCH, Martha TAYLOR, Polly Jones TAYLOR, Betsy TAYLOR, Susannah TAYLOR, Nancy TAYLOR, Goodwyn TAYLOR, John TAYLOR, Penelope TAYLOR. Bequeathed to wife for natural life entire estate. Land divided between two sons after death of wife. Executors: Brother James TAYLOR and son in law Abel DORTCH Witnesses: Lucas SULLIVANT, John JORDAN and Josiah FLOYD Will dated Jan 23, 1786 Recorded Oct 9, 1786" ----- Original Message ----- From: <BrakenLass@aol.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SC] Re: JORDAN will > I would be very interested in the Taylor will! > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Virus warnings are not welcome on this list. > Remember when writing a query, to always put in DATES & LOCATIONS >
It could be several things. Aunt Agnes has nephew Jack -- he has dau. Marie. who is then great niece of Agnes and dau of her nephew, Jack. they are father and daughter . Jack's sister, Laura, (niece of Agnes) has dau. Jill who is great niece of Agnes. Jack and Jill are Uncle and niece --- but nephew and great niece of Agnes. The children of Jack (Joe) and his sister, Laura, (Suzie) are 1st cousins. Jack has son, Joe, who has a child, Gwen. Gwen is then first cousin once removed to Laura's child, Susie BUT children of Joe and Suzie are 2nd cousins. It depends on who the parents are of each. (the way i figure it. ) Please tell me if i am wrong. Makes for something interesting to think about on a rain soaked weekend. kinta ----- Original Message ----- From: "June" <jnevar@attbi.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: [SC] realtionship of several nieces to an uncle in genaelogy > I have a question for you! A friend is trying to determine a relation and I > couldn't answer him, but thought you might have the answer. Here goes: > If I was a nephew to an individual and you were a great-niece to the same > individual, what would our relationship be?? > > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Best Website around for South Carolina SCGenWeb - South Carolina Genealogy research > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3837/ >
First cousins with the great niece being once-removed Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb Mail Administer for: Meigs Co, TN, South East TN, North East TN, Raper, Gilbreath, Galbreath,Hemby, Hembree, Knuckles Message Board Administrator for: Gaston, Shields, Reece, Raper, Gilbreath, Galbreath, Hemby Hembree, Knuckles, Daugherty & Polk Co., TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "June" <jnevar@attbi.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: [SC] realtionship of several nieces to an uncle in genaelogy > I have a question for you! A friend is trying to determine a relation and I > couldn't answer him, but thought you might have the answer. Here goes: > If I was a nephew to an individual and you were a great-niece to the same > individual, what would our relationship be?? > > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Best Website around for South Carolina SCGenWeb - South Carolina Genealogy research > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3837/ > >
I have a question for you! A friend is trying to determine a relation and I couldn't answer him, but thought you might have the answer. Here goes: If I was a nephew to an individual and you were a great-niece to the same individual, what would our relationship be??
Depends, are the nieces descendants of the uncles siblings or by marriage? It helps to draw a descendant tree. And do you call the brother of your grandmother a grand uncle or a great uncle. According to my genealogy program, the brother of my grandfather is a granduncle, the brother of my great grandfather is my great granduncle. I just call my granduncle a great uncle, who knew it was so complicated! Children of the uncles brother and sister are first cousins. They are the uncles nephew A and niece B. If nephew A has a child C, that child C is a grand niece/nephew of the uncle. The grand niece/nephew Child C is first cousin once removed to niece B. If niece B has a child D then Child C and Child D are second cousins. If Child D has a child E, then that child E is second cousin once removed from Child C. Child E is the great grand niece/nephew of the uncle. Child E is first cousin twice removed from Nephew A. First cousins are the grandchildren, the third generation from grandma and granddad. The fourth generation, or great grandchildren, are second cousins to each other, but they are first cousins once removed to the members of the third generation. Is that about as clear as mud? I may have confused myself so if I made a mistake someone please correct me. From: "June" <jnevar@attbi.com> Reply-To: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com To: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC] realtionship of several nieces to an uncle in genaelogy Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:41:15 -0400 I have a question for you! A friend is trying to determine a relation and I couldn't answer him, but thought you might have the answer. Here goes: If I was a nephew to an individual and you were a great-niece to the same individual, what would our relationship be?? ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== Best Website around for South Carolina SCGenWeb - South Carolina Genealogy research http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3837/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
I have been working on surnames/ families from Southside VA to SC, names associated with either/or POOL/HOLLOWAY. Besides the JORDAN will below, I have both TAYLOR and MALONE if anyone is interested. Audrey "JORDAN, John Will Book 3, Page 305 Names: Wife - Mary JORDAN Children: Samuel JORDAN, John JORDAN, Mary Wingfield JORDAN, Martha W. JORDAN, Elizabeth JORDAN, Susanna Williams JORDAN, Jane JORDAN Land and plantation - 412 acres - where I now live to wife during life or widowhood then to be divided between two sons Specific bequests to children who are to be schooled out of estate - mentions when the youngest child comes of age. Executors: Wife Mary, son Samuel JORDAN and Henry WALKER. Witnesses: Samuel MARSHALL, John COOK and Josiah FLOYD. Will dated June 15, 1795 Recorded Sept 14, 1795"
what ya mean return ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron stone" <blueoak@ix.netcom.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [SC] An attempt at a relationship > ...as long as we are on the subject....could some tell me if a third cousin > , once removed, > can return ? > ron > > > > > At 03:34 PM 9/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Depends, are the nieces descendants of the uncles siblings or by marriage? > >It helps to draw a descendant tree. And do you call the brother of your > >grandmother a grand uncle or a great uncle. According to my genealogy > ...snip... > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > To contact the list maintainer > SC-Genealogy-admin@rootsweb.com > >
Hi Helen, Thanks for the reply. Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com Researching: WADE, HAMES -----Original Message----- From: Helen Harrell [mailto:hoh@netzon.net] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:05 AM To: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC] Clues to maiden names in deeds? The key word int the quote is ALWAYS. Few rules are in the ALWAYS category. Similar to the words "never again." I have often found witnesses to be near neighbors, close friends, and assorted relatives. ================================ email screened by Norton AntiVirus 2002 ================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon Wade" <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: [SC] Clues to maiden names in deeds? > I picked up the below info from another list. Has anyone found this > to be reliable? It doesn't seem to work on the deeds I have for > 1804-1825 but then my WADEs don't seem to be predictable anyway. > > The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. "In the > lower left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four > witnesses. The first one is always from the husband's side, the next > two from the wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights > under the law. Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to > maiden names". > > Thanks, > Eldon > mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com > Researching: WADE, HAMES > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE Write SC-Genealogy-L-Request@RootsWeb.com Plain Text with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of letter Change the "L" to "D" if you have Digest Mode
...as long as we are on the subject....could some tell me if a third cousin , once removed, can return ? ron At 03:34 PM 9/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >Depends, are the nieces descendants of the uncles siblings or by marriage? >It helps to draw a descendant tree. And do you call the brother of your >grandmother a grand uncle or a great uncle. According to my genealogy ...snip...
Hi Gail, Glad you made your connection! If they were in Halifax County, then most likely back into the counties Halifax was created from. Can you go back beyond Daniel? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail Moore <embracer@strato.net> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [SC] Clues to parents in VA Court Records too! > Audrey and all: > We now at long last know who the parents of > Hezkiah Cockrum b. 2/19/1762 Halifax Co. VA were, > They were Daniel Cockrum of Halifax and Martha his wife. After his untimely > death, Martha was found in the court order books as having married again to > Samuel Pegg/Pigg and this is why Hezikiah Cockrum witenssed a deed for them > later on in SC this is also why Hezikiah named a daughter Martha and a son > Daniel. > > Gail > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > South Carolina Genealogical Resources > http://www.crosswinds.net/~southcarolina/Societies/societies.html >
2nd cousins ----- Original Message ----- From: "June" <jnevar@attbi.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [SC] realtionship of several nieces to an uncle in genaelogy > I have a question for you! A friend is trying to determine a relation and I > couldn't answer him, but thought you might have the answer. Here goes: > If I was a nephew to an individual and you were a great-niece to the same > individual, what would our relationship be?? > > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Best Website around for South Carolina SCGenWeb - South Carolina Genealogy research > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3837/ > >
I picked up the below info from another list. Has anyone found this to be reliable? It doesn't seem to work on the deeds I have for 1804-1825 but then my WADEs don't seem to be predictable anyway. The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. "In the lower left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four witnesses. The first one is always from the husband's side, the next two from the wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights under the law. Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to maiden names". Thanks, Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com Researching: WADE, HAMES
The key word int the quote is ALWAYS. Few rules are in the ALWAYS category. Similar to the words "never again." I have often found witnesses to be near neighbors, close friends, and assorted relatives. ================================ email screened by Norton AntiVirus 2002 ================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon Wade" <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: [SC] Clues to maiden names in deeds? > I picked up the below info from another list. Has anyone found this to > be reliable? It doesn't seem to work on the deeds I have for 1804-1825 > but then my WADEs don't seem to be predictable anyway. > > The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. > "In the lower left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four > witnesses. The > first one is always from the husband's side, the next two from the > wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights under the law. > Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to maiden names". > > Thanks, > Eldon > mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com > Researching: WADE, HAMES > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > >
The Third child woud be named after the parent, the third daughter would normally be named after her Mother. Occassionally the third child would be named after the Mother's sister, especially if they were very close or if the aunt was ill or had recently died. Gaila ----- Original Message ----- From: "donna" <dbrand@htcomp.net> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [SC] Naming conventions. > Here's a couple of good links concerning naming patterns. > > http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/naming-pattern.htm > > http://www.winshop.com.au/mhampton/namepatn.html > > donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eldon Wade" <ewade@cfl.rr.com> > To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:54 PM > Subject: [SC] Naming conventions. > > > Does anyone remember the naming conventions (prevailing in the 1820s) > for daughters and sons? i. e. first son named after paternal > grandfather, third daughter named after paternal grandmother, etc. (I > know these are probably not right). > More specifically, whom would the third daughter be named after? > Thanks, > > Eldon > mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com > Researching: WADE, HAMES > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE > Write SC-Genealogy-L-Request@RootsWeb.com > Plain Text with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of letter > Change the "L" to "D" if you have Digest Mode >
Thank you Donna. Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com Researching: WADE, HAMES -----Original Message----- From: donna [mailto:dbrand@htcomp.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 5:15 PM To: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC] Naming conventions. Here's a couple of good links concerning naming patterns. http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/naming-pattern.htm http://www.winshop.com.au/mhampton/namepatn.html donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon Wade" <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: [SC] Naming conventions. Does anyone remember the naming conventions (prevailing in the 1820s) for daughters and sons? i. e. first son named after paternal grandfather, third daughter named after paternal grandmother, etc. (I know these are probably not right). More specifically, whom would the third daughter be named after? Thanks, Eldon mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com Researching: WADE, HAMES ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE Write SC-Genealogy-L-Request@RootsWeb.com Plain Text with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of letter Change the "L" to "D" if you have Digest Mode
At 01:08 PM 08/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Everyone, >I am searching for information on Abijah White and his wife, Missouri ( >Percer?). Hello, Nonette. Sorry I can't help with your search for the White line. Have you researched the Runnels line at all? Jim in Vero Beach FL
Good shot, Ron. When I worked at the FHC in Fresno, CA many of our customers wanted to know the answer to relationship. My real concern was with the direct line, but it sure is nice to find a "removed" cousin who knows more than I do. Good hunting, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: ron stone <blueoak@ix.netcom.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SC] An attempt at a relationship > ...as long as we are on the subject....could some tell me if a third cousin > , once removed, > can return ? > ron > > > > > At 03:34 PM 9/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Depends, are the nieces descendants of the uncles siblings or by marriage? > >It helps to draw a descendant tree. And do you call the brother of your > >grandmother a grand uncle or a great uncle. According to my genealogy > ...snip... > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > To contact the list maintainer > SC-Genealogy-admin@rootsweb.com >
Who knows? Mine occasionally flips off to Celebrity Photos on IWon! Which I have never requested...
In tracking the CUNNINGHAM name into Upper SC, I see (a) Robert CUNNINGHAM on documents of Laurens, SC with Wm HOLAY (HOLLOWAY), and George P' POOL (PETTYPOOL?). He is also seen with HOLMES. (A) Dennis LARK family is seen in Upper SC...and so forth. There is not much doubt that all of these people relate to grantor and grantee of said deed. The LUCAS family intermarried with at least three of the surname/families seen on this deed. Audrey "POOLE, Adam Deed Book 1, Page 140, Mecklenburg Co, VA Adam POOLE to Isaac HOLMES.cons. 65 pounds.200 acres on lower side of Flatt Creek.adjoining land of the late William POOLE, Junr. /s/ Adam (A) POOLE Witnesses: Robert CUNNINGHAM *William HOLLOWAY Dennis LARK Wm LUCAS Dated: 30 Sept 1765 Recorded 14 Oct 1765 Easter (Esther), wife of Adam POOLE, released dower." ----- Original Message ----- From: Eldon Wade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: [SC] Clues to maiden names in deeds? > I picked up the below info from another list. Has anyone found this to > be reliable? It doesn't seem to work on the deeds I have for 1804-1825 > but then my WADEs don't seem to be predictable anyway. > > The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. > "In the lower left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four > witnesses. The > first one is always from the husband's side, the next two from the > wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights under the law. > Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to maiden names". > > Thanks, > Eldon > mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com > Researching: WADE, HAMES > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ >
Eldon, I am going to share a deed with you that really excited me where this rule is concerned. We have an old letter, 1930, that tells us "we are from Adam POOL", but the only Adam POOLE who could have been our ancestor didn't leave a will, and in constructing his family as much as we can, John POOL doesn't particularly fit. John POOL m. Mahulda HOLLOWAY and I have suspected that she was a daughter of one, William HOLLOWAY because of other records. Will be back with the deed. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Eldon Wade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: <SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: [SC] Clues to maiden names in deeds? > I picked up the below info from another list. Has anyone found this to > be reliable? It doesn't seem to work on the deeds I have for 1804-1825 > but then my WADEs don't seem to be predictable anyway. > > The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. > "In the lower left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four > witnesses. The > first one is always from the husband's side, the next two from the > wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights under the law. > Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to maiden names". > > Thanks, > Eldon > mailto:ewade@cfl.rr.com > Researching: WADE, HAMES > > > > ==== SC-Genealogy Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ >