As far as I know, all the original Quaker records of NC are at Guilford College Archives and can be accessed there. I had an ancestor's 2nd husband, who, in the Hinshaw transcription, is said to have been disowned--with no explanation. A cousin of mine went to Guilford and went thru the original minutes and found several entries which preceded the disownment. The story was that this man's wife had gone on a long trip to visit a married daughter and was gone for a period of time. During this time her husband had a young woman keeping house for him & whatever family was there. Anyway, he got the young woman pregnant and that is why he was disowned! When Hinshaw was given permission from Quakers in NC to abstract the genealogy info from their old records, one condition that they made of Hinshaw was that he would not publish any negative/derogatory info! On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> wrote: > There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test. > The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, > but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of > which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to > daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who > could submit a DNA test sample). > > The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was > disowned.  The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not > include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of > Cane Creek MM.  The original book is the property of the North Carolina > Yearly Meeting.  I expect that you could contact them to find out how to > get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801.  After all, we don't "know" > that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's > just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far. > The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know > what--if anything--you could do next. > > If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of > wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of > Union Co SC.  I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I > haven't seen them myself.  The Minutes of the County Court (including > bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and > you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan.  However, > those records go only through 1799.  A member of the Union Co SC > RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805.  The > bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth.  The > father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was > required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay > child support.  Those bonds went into the public records, naming the > father and the child, and usually the mother as well. > > Harriet Imrey > > On 6/26/2012 5:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: >> brenda,  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Thanks for the suggestion. >> Sue Hunt besecker >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell<sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: >> Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. >> >> Brenda >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >>   From: Sue Besecker<suebee848@gmail.com> >> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >> >> to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My >> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were >> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >> married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >> unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >> descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >> church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't >> affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >> go to. >> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >> Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that >> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we >> would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept >> are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995

Very interesting. I noticed the name Bowman. I have a friend with the last name Bowman. His name is Dan. His mother very recently passed, Bonnie. He has a sister Rebecca any chance you are related? Seguin Texas is where they are from. Dan and Rebecca live on different coastal states.   Robert.   ________________________________ From: Joyce Bowman <jeobowman@gmail.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Elijah Hunt's father     As far as I know, all the original Quaker records of NC are at Guilford College Archives and can be accessed there.  I had an ancestor's 2nd husband, who, in the Hinshaw transcription, is said to have been disowned--with no explanation.  A cousin of mine went to Guilford and went thru the original minutes and found several entries which preceded the disownment.  The story was that this man's wife had gone on a long trip to visit a married daughter and was gone for a period of time.  During this time her husband had a young woman keeping house for him & whatever family was there.  Anyway, he got the young woman pregnant and that is why he was disowned!     When Hinshaw was given permission from Quakers in NC to abstract the genealogy info from their  old records, one condition that they made of Hinshaw was that he would not publish any negative/derogatory info! On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> wrote: > There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test. > The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, > but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of > which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to > daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who > could submit a DNA test sample). > > The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was > disowned.  The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not > include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of > Cane Creek MM.  The original book is the property of the North Carolina > Yearly Meeting.  I expect that you could contact them to find out how to > get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801.  After all, we don't "know" > that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's > just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far. > The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know > what--if anything--you could do next. > > If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of > wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of > Union Co SC.  I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I > haven't seen them myself.  The Minutes of the County Court (including > bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and > you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan.  However, > those records go only through 1799.  A member of the Union Co SC > RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805.  The > bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth.  The > father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was > required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay > child support.  Those bonds went into the public records, naming the > father and the child, and usually the mother as well. > > Harriet Imrey > > On 6/26/2012 5:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: >> brenda,  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Thanks for the suggestion. >> Sue Hunt besecker >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell<sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: >> Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. >> >> Brenda >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >>   From: Sue Besecker<suebee848@gmail.com> >> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >> >> to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My >> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were >> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >> married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >> unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >> descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >> church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't >> affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >> go to. >> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >> Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that >> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we >> would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept >> are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I doubt there is a Bowman connection. That was myi ex-husband's name, but I'd still be happy to trace the family line for my children. However, I have had very little luck finding them so far. They came to Michigan/Chicago area from Canada about 1870. The family lore was that the gr-gr grandfather was a Dutch ship captain whose name was Boomstra. I have not so far been able to find them on the 1880 census, though one son supposedly was born in the states in 1870. I also think the name was Boonstra rather than Boomstra as with an "n" there are a few in the Michigan area in 1880, but none with an "m" anyplace in the US! On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Robert Cooper <henspert@yahoo.com> wrote: > Very interesting. I noticed the name Bowman. I have a friend with the last name Bowman. His name is Dan. His mother very recently passed, Bonnie. He has a sister Rebecca any chance you are related? Seguin Texas is where they are from. Dan and Rebecca live on different coastal states. > > Robert. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joyce Bowman <jeobowman@gmail.com> > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Elijah Hunt's father > >     As far as I know, all the original Quaker records of NC are at > Guilford College Archives and can be accessed there.  I had an > ancestor's 2nd husband, who, in the Hinshaw transcription, is said to > have been disowned--with no explanation.  A cousin of mine went to > Guilford and went thru the original minutes and found several entries > which preceded the disownment.  The story was that this man's wife had > gone on a long trip to visit a married daughter and was gone for a > period of time.  During this time her husband had a young woman > keeping house for him & whatever family was there.  Anyway, he got the > young woman pregnant and that is why he was disowned! >     When Hinshaw was given permission from Quakers in NC to abstract > the genealogy info from their  old records, one condition that they > made of Hinshaw was that he would not publish any negative/derogatory > info! > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> wrote: >> There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test. >> The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, >> but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of >> which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to >> daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who >> could submit a DNA test sample). >> >> The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was >> disowned.  The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not >> include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of >> Cane Creek MM.  The original book is the property of the North Carolina >> Yearly Meeting.  I expect that you could contact them to find out how to >> get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801.  After all, we don't "know" >> that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's >> just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far. >> The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know >> what--if anything--you could do next. >> >> If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of >> wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of >> Union Co SC.  I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I >> haven't seen them myself.  The Minutes of the County Court (including >> bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and >> you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan.  However, >> those records go only through 1799.  A member of the Union Co SC >> RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805.  The >> bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth.  The >> father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was >> required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay >> child support.  Those bonds went into the public records, naming the >> father and the child, and usually the mother as well. >> >> Harriet Imrey >> >> On 6/26/2012 5:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: >>> brenda,  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Thanks for the suggestion. >>> Sue Hunt besecker >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell<sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: >>> Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. >>> >>> Brenda >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>>   From: Sue Besecker<suebee848@gmail.com> >>> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >>> >>> to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My >>> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >>> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were >>> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >>> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >>> married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >>> unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >>> descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >>> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >>> church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >>> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't >>> affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >>> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >>> go to. >>> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >>> Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that >>> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we >>> would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept >>> are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Joyce > > Joyce Overman Bowman > 7877 Beanblossom Circle > Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 > (317) 849-0995 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995