RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively. 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt Hananiah Gauntt Zebulon Gauntt Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague Sophia Teague + John Lyon Polly Lyon + (James) Carden JHR Carden + Eliza Dean William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com

Don't know that I am much help, but I know some children were left out of wills because they had already gotten their inheritance/dowry before the death of the parent.  Many times you would see older sons or married daughters not in wills.  They had already received theirs.  Another time I found some left out, one of the daughter's was disabled of some sort, so the bulk of the will left for her care.  As to the change of Quaker to Baptist, have you looked at whether they had slaves?  Many Quakers were disowned or whatever the term, because they had slaves and were not willing to let them go.  I was reading how some did not move to Ohio with the rest of the Quakers because they refused to give up their slaves.  I know I was reading in the Clinton, Ohio Quakers, that after the older ones passed away, many of the younger ones moved away, leaving the few Quakers behind, younger ones, to mainly now have friends in non Quakers, so the Quakers became non Quakers. I found a few listing of graves when I googled Quaker cemeteries in Union County, I wonder since my ancestors were listed as Fairfield County at one time, could they be there, or at the old site of Camden/Wateree area?  I will have to take time to go visit a bunch as they do not have listings to who are buried there though.  Will keep Gauntt and Teague in mind when goofing off one day and visiting them. Have you checked on findagrave.com?  They have some of the old Quaker burial sites on there. My line is Benson's with marriages to Clark, Campbell, Kelly, Evans and Paty. Brenda ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.  2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt       Hananiah Gauntt         Zebulon Gauntt          Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague           Sophia Teague + John Lyon           Polly Lyon + (James) Carden             JHR Carden + Eliza Dean             William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher               Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams               Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan    -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listings for the Gauntt Cemetery (and 1000s of others) can be found at www.findagrave.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from > Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased > into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt > Hananiah Gauntt > Zebulon Gauntt > Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague > Sophia Teague + John Lyon > Polly Lyon + (James) Carden > JHR Carden + Eliza Dean > William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher > Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams > Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was looking at other counties, and how the counties came about being.  Ran across something on Edgefield county, which was made from Ninety Six District.  It has a list of names, looks like it is only part of a larger book maybe, says volume.  Thought some others may be interested if you have not already seen it. There was Campbell, Clark, Kelly, Benson, and Gaunt.  And a whole lot more.  This was referring to first families of Edgefield County.  Listed Israel Gaunt and Hannah Gaunt, remembered, you were looking for Gaunt.  This link only has 23 pages, but should have 182 plus indexes and appendixes and bibliography.  So this is not the complete document.  The Gaunt family says on page 182, so it has more for them than just a list of early settlers. http://www.researchonline.net/catalog/pdf/first_families_vol1_promo.pdf It lists this towards the bottom: http://www.researchonline.net/cataolg/first/indes.htm Have not checked it out yet. Brenda ________________________________ From: Judith F. Russell <jrussell2@charter.net> To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 6:16 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Gauntt Cemetery Listings for the Gauntt

Ok if I could type, LOL  last link, index not indes. You have to buy the book, or cd or download to a kindle to get more. I was looking at some more stuff, and saw a Barnes married a Gauntt.  Is that in your line.  I have Barnes, and I know they were in SC, have not gone back and looked at where though.  Or which Barnes were here then. Brenda ________________________________ From: Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com> To: "sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com" <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Edgefield County, Gaunt, Benson, Clark, Campbell, Kelly plus more I was looking at other counties, and how the counties came about being.  Ran across something on Edgefield county, which was made from Ninety Six District.  It has a list of names, looks like it is only part of a larger book maybe, says volume.  Thought some others may be interested if you have not already seen it. There was Campbell, Clark, Kelly, Benson, and Gaunt.  And a whole lot more.  This was referring to first families of Edgefield County.  Listed Israel Gaunt and Hannah Gaunt, remembered, you were looking for Gaunt.  This link only has 23 pages, but should have 182 plus indexes and appendixes and bibliography.  So this is not the complete document.  The Gaunt family says on page 182, so it has more for them than just a list of early settlers. http://www.researchonline.net/catalog/pdf/first_families_vol1_promo.pdf It lists this towards the bottom: http://www.researchonline.net/cataolg/first/indes.htm Have not checked it out yet. Brenda ________________________________ From: Judith F. Russell <jrussell2@charter.net> To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 6:16 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Gauntt Cemetery Listings for the Gauntt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martha, I found this intriguing, so I had to study it a bit this morning. I started by looking at my database and then looking online. I have some Teague connections but not a direct line, so I am always interested in them but never really researched them so a lot of my database on them is marked as "needing confirmed". Since you mentioned Dorothy Gauntt being left out of her parents wills, I finally found wills for Israel and Hannah Spencer and found this as new information that was helpful for me since the Spencer and Abernathy are families that tie into my Stewarts. This Israel Gauntt was disowned from New Garden MM 1758 for marrying out of unity, but I do not see them as parents of your Dorothy. Do you know for sure who her parents were or is that what you are trying to find out? His brother Zebulon is also at New Garden at this time 1760n just listed as "with children" and I have not found a list in Hinshaw for them. ( I think this is your Zebulon but think there is a general difference of opinion about "Dorothy" and " Joshua Teague") Next reference in New Garden is Samuel Kelly and wife Susannah in 1809, 1810 dis of Bush River and 1814 back at New Hope MM in Tenn. Israel and Zebulon both were members of New Burlington MM before New Garden I show the following as children of Zebulon: Maria m Thomas Jenkins; Samuel m Abigail Kelly; Zimri m Sarah Cook; Nebo m Sarah Brooks and Judith Wright; Sarah m Henry Hollingworth. And I have a second wife for Zebulon, Mary Evans. Most all of this needs confirmed but a lot of these end up married to my family. I have a Joshua Teague who married a Dorothy but I have her down as a Caldwell. The Bush River Teague that I do have is an Elijah married Alice Leavell and brother to Joshua. I have their parents as William and Isabell Loftin. They are in my database because of my interest in the McDaniels. (there is a connection that ends in Bush River but not relevant and lengthy). Basically, I am very interested in the Regulators movement and that Jesse Pugh who has hung is not really identified. For years, he was thought to be the Jesse that has since been proven to have died years later in Alabama. My "theory " is that there was two Jesse Pugh's, not that complicated LOL and the one that was hung may not have left descendents and therefore remains not researched. Since your Joshua Teague seems to have survived his "outlaw" status, I have to wonder why. (Yes, I was one of those "why" kids and got the payback with six of my own). Now this is a wild theory... IF Dorothy was a Caldwell and not a Teague and Rev David Caldwell was a big mediator of the trial of the Regulators and a friend of Gov Tyron, maybe she was related and if they "left" the area, he would not get hung! Now I wonder how long it will take on the internet for that to become a fact. Scary! A more sane perspective is that I find no Teagues at New Garden so I would assume that if Joshua Teague had been Quaker it had to before he lived in NC, nor do I find any Gauntt's or Caldwells. (various spellings). Also, some of the very early Quakers in some colonies like Md chose to join the Church of England because if they did not, they could not own land, other chose to migrate to colonies where these English laws were not being enforced. I do think that this "distaste" for English law under which many Quakers were persecuted in England and then had to choose to move to the colonies prevailed for generations and were likely a big factor in the actual Regulator movement. Many had left the Quaker church years before and many still had family members that were still members. Quakers did not shun a person after they were disowned and often allowed them to come back so family ties could remain strong even when they were no longer in the same "church". Quakers came here for "freedom from English persecution" oft times, so I think there was a basic need to resist as best they could the English laws. Here is something I found online that is worth keeping. I think I would start by seeing if I could find just what "church" all of these outlaws attended. Jesse Pugh is not listed so was he really hung? A PROCLAMATION: "Whereas / have been in formed that many persons who have been concerned in the late Rebellion are desirous of submitting themselves to the Government, I do therefore give notice that every person who will come in either to mine or General Waddell's camp, lay down their arms and take the oath of Allegiance and promise to pay all taxes that are now due or may hereafter become due by them respectively and submit to the law of this Country, shall have his Majesty's most gracious and free pardon for all Treasons, Insurrections and Rebellings done or committed, on or before the 16th of May last, provided they make their submission afore said on or before the tenth of July next. The following persons are however excluded from the benefits of this Proclamation, viz, all the outlaws, the prisoners, all those concerned in the blowing up of General Waddell's ammunition in Mecklenburg County, and the undernamed persons, to wit: Samuel Jones *_Joshua Teague_* Samuel Waggoner Simon Dunn, Jr. Abraham Greson Benjamin Merrill <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encrevwar/ncrev_story.htm#benjamin> James Wilkerson Edward Smith John Bumpas Joseph Boring William Rankin William Robeson John Winkler John Wilcox Jacob Felton Thomas Persons Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the Province, this 11th day June, A. Dom. 1771. On 6/25/2012 3:44 AM, Martha wrote: > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt > Hananiah Gauntt > Zebulon Gauntt > Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague > Sophia Teague + John Lyon > Polly Lyon + (James) Carden > JHR Carden + Eliza Dean > William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher > Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams > Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Martha,   I have done some thinking about the same thing regarding my family and why they are no longer Quakers. There is quite a bit to that story.   1. Quakers were a bit challenging to stay in good standing or you werer disowned (dis). Some examples to follow:   Marry out of faith, fall in love with the wrong person who is not a Quaker and they do not convert-You are Out! Settle in South Carolina while the Revolutionary War breaks out and fight for your land-You are Out! Erect a tombstone that is not considered Quaker Humble, (over two feet tall)-You are Out! Own a slave after 1780-You are Out! There are other reasons why you can be dis or dis'ed or disowned. Reading Quaker Histroy will give quite a great story.   Around 1840's Quakers and the US started going through some social changes or awareness. Because of Slavery and Alcohol and a few other areas the country embarked upon a need for purity or cleansing. It culminated into the Holiness Movement. The end of the Civil War was the final event that weighed in hard. After abolition, The US was under the biggest guilt trip and people needed to feel their Salvation more than ever. Quakers and other denominations were obsessed with finding redemption through Scripture. David Updegraff is the most prolific person of that. He and other ministers pursued cleansing for self and the country that this is the defining moment of the Holiness Movement.   David  B. Updegraff, Quaker Holiness Preacher   http://books.google.com/books/about/David_B_Updegraff_Quaker_Holiness_preach.html?id=csYcAAAAMAAJ   One of the areas of Quakerism that I found to be awesome is they eliminated Ritual, Sacrament, Heirarchy and empowered the individual into a direct relationship/connection with God. Historically Christians were subject to Heirarchy and Contingent to performing Sacrament or Ritual. This history with Christians started when Rome and Christianity merged. Prior to that there was a more pure form of Religious Practice under Christianity.   David Updegraff would preach to people that they were in Sin and needed Redemption and prescribed their only way out is through Ritual of baptism by water, receiving the lord by asking him into your heart. David and others would scour their Bible for scripture that offered releif or redemption. The Civil War was the first major wave of converts. The South riddled with Guilt fell into the arms of feeling at ease as I only can imagine looking out at all the devastation, One would be trodden with Guilt and think over the Last 100 to 180 years of what a country the US was/is...   The next Wave of Conversion was after the 1920's Alcohol and the Sexual Revolution set forward mobile baptist. The Great Depression had many feeling Low and Guilty! Conversion again into Baptism forms of Christianity. (protestant based, bible based or scripture and Ritualistically based)   Quakers were historically against outward forms of ritual as the Act is actually a substitute for what The Lord or Spirit of the Lord is to do regardless. If one is true to their Inner Light, Then the Lord will come and reside in your heart. There is more here but I am to move into next point.   When any religion has a form of Ritual, Rite, Act it is really in place of the Event that physically happens at some point, "The Baptism of Fire" A burning of the Spirit of the Lord happens in Gods time according to each person. You can have water splashed all you want, you can eat wafers and drink wine all you want but those rites and sacraments are only Symbolic in seeking the Event of being Blessed with the Spirit of the Lord or Baptism of Fire.   Problems with Ritual-   Once an act or Ritual becomes, it then becomes a part of Requisite.   Once the it Becomes Required, it become a basis of Judgement.   Denominations today are in this very place, They will deem (Judge) that those not in accord with their Rites or Sacraments are Condemned to Hell!   Upon Review one can see that Chirst Father Gave! So, you can Live! All you have to do is Live true your heart, Follow your Heart and the Spirit of the Lord will enter. This is what George Fox taught.   So, my family has been through and experienced all of the above. I am the first on my line to have found Quakers. I am the first to Return to Quakerism. It is not without much social rife. As most of my family today are Baptist or some form of Ritualistic Protestant and Scripture based Religion. Scripture can lead one towards Spirituality but it is by no means Religion itself. Quakerism is the practice of Worshipping God in Silence and Receiving the Spirit in Silence. This is physically receiving Christ or our Daily Bread.   Wait in Silence and Know that I am the Lord. (That is mysticism, That is what Christ practiced)   Robert Cooper   I am on facebook as Robert Cowper if anyone would like to meet there. Cowper is Cooper. In England the name was Cowper.   http://www.facebook.com/#!/Henspert     ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.  2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt       Hananiah Gauntt         Zebulon Gauntt          Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague           Sophia Teague + John Lyon           Polly Lyon + (James) Carden             JHR Carden + Eliza Dean             William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher               Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams               Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan    -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message