Robert, I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this posting for details: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 Joy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Cooper Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper 8.4.2 Mary Cooper 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper 8.4.4 Julie Cooper 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper

to Robert Cooper, Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting. My 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons". She and 4 of her siblings who were also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) married Thomas Penny. So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an unwed mother. Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's descendants) are not Quakers. My grandfather (Ottwell) married my granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the church. My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic. So my grandfather wasn't affillated with any religion. My grandparents had 15 children and the ones who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to go to. We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from Elijah. We'll never know who his real father was. We know that Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt. we would like to find who Ralph's father was. The Quaker ideas and concept are very interesting to me. Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Robert, > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this > posting for details: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Cooper > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper > 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper > 8.4.2 Mary Cooper > 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper > 8.4.4 Julie Cooper > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker > 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper > 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sue,   Thanks for sharing that. I have to say when I read family members who were disowned, I feel a sense of pain for them and all who are related.   I like to use a comparison, When some one is excommunicated from the mormon church they have a lot of pain, anxiety, despair and sense of condemnation. I have met mormons and later found some relatives married into coopers during 20th century were/are mormons. The experience that I have heard during such an alienation sends them into areas where use of alcohol then surges amongst them and the children then learn that consumption is a part of their social fabric.   My Grandfather Robert Henspert Cooper, I am the RHC III had a second wife and she born 1903 was placed directly into the sexual revolution, alcohol use augmentation, and other behavioral sets. My Grandmother Lucielle, died of alcoholism as I understand it. I was about 7 when she passed and not cognisant to ask questions.   Another area of influence on Quakers was the Womens Movement to gain the right to Vote. In "Not for Ourselves Alone, the Story of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony," there are clues to how Quakers were influenced. In pursuit of the right to Vote, Quakers became involved with Non-Quakers. There is a merge of ideas in respect to interacting with Ritualistic based Christians and Quakers who In My Opinion wisely studied Christianity and found that all were forms of practice to come after Christ. Even when Christ met John the Baptist, as I see it, Christ only was a patron of John. Just as Christ was a patron of psychics. Furthermore, Baptism is a revived practice of Old Judaic Ritual. John Revived Baptism. Again, it is at best an outward form or rite towards receiving the Holy Ghost or Spirit of the Lord to dwell in ones Heart. (Baptism of Fire)   This merge for the attainment of Women to Vote tore at the fabric or content of Quaker Findings of Christ or Christianity.   We also have to look at Martin Luther, He studied and toiled in his religious experience of "Seeking Truth". He found it in reading many versions of the Bible. Protestants today champion reading the Bible, as it is their Founders Source of Removing all the untruths that Rome infused into Christianity commencing during the Third Century.   It takes Centuries and millenia to unravel single historic events. What would our code look like if Africa had the ability to write abundantly? There is the where the foundations of Judaic-Old Testament code lies.   Any Bible offered can lead one to their spiritual experience but a Bible is by no means Religion itself! Being Religious is an action of Self with God. There are forms of worship and connectivity with God. Reading can assist ones experience on their religious path but Anyone can ensue a Religous Path with no Book at all Again, just as George Fox mentioned During his "Openings" period.   I must close for now as I am to prepare for work.   Enjoy your day,   robert cooper   ________________________________ From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to go to. We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Robert, > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON.  Please see this > posting for details: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Cooper > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper >  8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper >  8.4.2 Mary Cooper >  8.4.3 Hannah Cooper >  8.4.4 Julie Cooper > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker >  8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper >  8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. Brenda ________________________________ From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to go to. We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Robert, > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON.  Please see this > posting for details: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Cooper > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper >  8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper >  8.4.2 Mary Cooper >  8.4.3 Hannah Cooper >  8.4.4 Julie Cooper > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker >  8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper >  8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message