You are very knowlegable about religion and I enoyed reading what you sent. I intend to do more reseach on my family and the Quakers. I find it facsinating. We were disappointed about Christianna, having her son (my 5 grandfather) out of wedlock but we'll never know for sure. Sue On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Robert Cooper <henspert@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Sue, > > Thanks for sharing that. I have to say when I read family members who were > disowned, I feel a sense of pain for them and all who are related. > > I like to use a comparison, When some one is excommunicated from the > mormon church they have a lot of pain, anxiety, despair and sense of > condemnation. I have met mormons and later found some relatives married > into coopers during 20th century were/are mormons. The experience that I > have heard during such an alienation sends them into areas where use of > alcohol then surges amongst them and the children then learn that > consumption is a part of their social fabric. > > My Grandfather Robert Henspert Cooper, I am the RHC III had a second wife > and she born 1903 was placed directly into the sexual revolution, alcohol > use augmentation, and other behavioral sets. My Grandmother Lucielle, died > of alcoholism as I understand it. I was about 7 when she passed and not > cognisant to ask questions. > > Another area of influence on Quakers was the Womens Movement to gain the > right to Vote. In "Not for Ourselves Alone, the Story of Elizabeth Cady > Stanton and Susan B. Anthony," there are clues to how Quakers were > influenced. In pursuit of the right to Vote, Quakers became involved with > Non-Quakers. There is a merge of ideas in respect to interacting with > Ritualistic based Christians and Quakers who In My Opinion wisely studied > Christianity and found that all were forms of practice to come after > Christ. Even when Christ met John the Baptist, as I see it, Christ only was > a patron of John. Just as Christ was a patron of psychics. Furthermore, > Baptism is a revived practice of Old Judaic Ritual. John Revived Baptism. > Again, it is at best an outward form or rite towards receiving the Holy > Ghost or Spirit of the Lord to dwell in ones Heart. (Baptism of Fire) > > This merge for the attainment of Women to Vote tore at the fabric or > content of Quaker Findings of Christ or Christianity. > > We also have to look at Martin Luther, He studied and toiled in his > religious experience of "Seeking Truth". He found it in reading many > versions of the Bible. Protestants today champion reading the Bible, as it > is their Founders Source of Removing all the untruths that Rome infused > into Christianity commencing during the Third Century. > > It takes Centuries and millenia to unravel single historic events. What > would our code look like if Africa had the ability to write abundantly? > There is the where the foundations of Judaic-Old Testament code lies. > > Any Bible offered can lead one to their spiritual experience but a Bible > is by no means Religion itself! Being Religious is an action of Self with > God. There are forms of worship and connectivity with God. Reading can > assist ones experience on their religious path but Anyone can ensue a > Religous Path with no Book at all Again, just as George Fox mentioned > During his "Openings" period. > > I must close for now as I am to prepare for work. > > Enjoy your day, > > robert cooper > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > to Robert Cooper, Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting. My > 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker > MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons". She and 4 of her siblings who were > also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they > moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) > married Thomas Penny. So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an > unwed mother. Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's > descendants) are not Quakers. My grandfather (Ottwell) married my > granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the > church. My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by > his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic. So my grandfather wasn't > affillated with any religion. My grandparents had 15 children and the ones > who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to > go to. > We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from > Elijah. We'll never know who his real father was. We know that > Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt. we > would like to find who Ralph's father was. The Quaker ideas and concept > are very interesting to me. Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > > > Robert, > > > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this > > posting for details: > > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > > > Joy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Cooper > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper > > 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper > > 8.4.2 Mary Cooper > > 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper > > 8.4.4 Julie Cooper > > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker > > 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper > > 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >