Here is another finding that has some placing on how some Quakers became Baptist. This is an old post from 1999. It is rich in Quaker info regarding Coopers, a number of Quaker Meetings and the Baptist connection.   http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/COOPER/1999-09/0936810003    From: Elveta Guinn < eguinn@rectec.net> Subject: Re: [COOPER-L] Jacob Cooper MD > SC Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:00:03 -0500 Danny, In your data, do you have a Nancy Cooper, who married Newton Anderson CYPERT, in Wayne Co TN???? Trying to find her parents. Elveta Guinn Dbyrd000@aol.com wrote: > I show many of these same Cooper's attending the Bush River Monthly > Meetings in SC along with William Jr., William Sr., and Jacob. 1787 minutes > show Benjamin & wife Pharoba (Ferribee in your letter) and small children > Issac and Charity had attended a 1786 meeting in Wrightsboro. Also in 1787 > Issac and son's Issac and Joesph attended a different meeting at Wrightsboro. > 1n 1811, I show some of the same people, Issac and wife Abigail attending a > Miami Monthly Meeting in Ohio. Same meeting's attended by William Jr. and > wife Mary Hunter that migrated there in 1806/7. The Bush River and Cane Creek > SC Meetings I believe eventually broke up with members migrating to Ohio and > Wrightsboro GA and then to Ohio. I believe all of these Cooper's to be > descendants of William Sr. and Lidy Clark through their many son's. William > Cooper Sr. was dismissed from the Quakers for taking part in the > Revolutionary War as a soldier with the militia of the 96th District of SC. > Many of his children and descendants eventually left the Quakers to become > Baptist/Methodist etc; These were the one's that either stayed in SC or > traveled west to GA, AL, Miss, Ark, etc;. Many settled on the AL/Miss line > around Marion Cty AL and Monroe and Itwambia Counties Miss. Some of these > moved on to Ark and Tex. > Regards, Danny Cooper Byrd > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > Keep COOPER-L and over 6000 other lists online with your > RootsWeb membership or sponsorship. > RootsWeb Gen.Data Coop.Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html   ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Quaker to Baptist in Newberry Thanks to all who took the time to answer my queries about Quakers & Baptists in Newberry. Much valuable info. was shared and I really appreciate it. Martha -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sc-bushriverquakers-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 5:10 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 73 "PLEASE NOTE: When replying to a digest message, please quote *only the specific portion* of message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply.  Also, remember to *change the subject* of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying." Today's Topics:   1. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Martha)   2. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Brenda Brazell)   3. Gauntt Cemetery (Judith F. Russell)   4. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Vivian)   5. Milhous (Will Miller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:44:56 -0500 From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry     ? To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E107A2B82AE246F2B266C0B50DAE26B6@fourfdc6d4e8a6> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.  2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt       Hananiah Gauntt         Zebulon Gauntt          Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague           Sophia Teague + John Lyon           Polly Lyon + (James) Carden             JHR Carden + Eliza Dean             William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher               Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams               Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan    -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry     ? To: "dixiepeanut@comcast.net" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net>,     "sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com" <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <1340616606.59153.YahooMailNeo@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Don't know that I am much help, but I know some children were left out of wills because they had already gotten their inheritance/dowry before the death of the parent.? Many times you would see older sons or married daughters not in wills.? They had already received theirs.? Another time I found some left out, one of the daughter's was disabled of some sort, so the bulk of the will left for her care.? As to the change of Quaker to Baptist, have you looked at whether they had slaves?? Many Quakers were disowned or whatever the term, because they had slaves and were not willing to let them go.? I was reading how some did not move to Ohio with the rest of the Quakers because they refused to give up their slaves.? I know I was reading in the Clinton, Ohio Quakers, that after the older ones passed away, many of the younger ones moved away, leaving the few Quakers behind, younger ones, to mainly now have friends in non Quakers, so the Quakers became non Quakers. I found a few listing of graves when I googled Quaker cemeteries in Union County, I wonder since my ancestors were listed as Fairfield County at one time, could they be there, or at the old site of Camden/Wateree area?? I will have to take time to go visit a bunch as they do not have listings to who are buried there though.? Will keep Gauntt and Teague in mind when goofing off one day and visiting them. Have you checked on findagrave.com?? They have some of the old Quaker burial sites on there. My line is Benson's with marriages to Clark, Campbell, Kelly, Evans and Paty. Brenda ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.? 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt ? ? ?  Hananiah Gauntt ? ? ? ? Zebulon Gauntt? ? ? ? ?  Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague ? ? ? ? ? Sophia Teague + John Lyon ? ? ? ? ?  Polly Lyon + (James) Carden ? ? ? ? ? ? JHR Carden + Eliza Dean ? ? ? ? ? ?  William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan? ? -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:16:49 -0400 From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Gauntt Cemetery To: <dixiepeanut@comcast.net>, <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7C67ADE115D34EF8BEFFEBF9D66B091D@judy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Listings for the Gauntt Cemetery (and 1000s of others) can be found at www.findagrave.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from > Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased > into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt >      Hananiah Gauntt >        Zebulon Gauntt >        Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague >          Sophia Teague + John Lyon >          Polly Lyon + (James) Carden >            JHR Carden + Eliza Dean >            William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher >              Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams >              Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:35:14 -0400 From: Vivian <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry     ? To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4FE88532.4090405@woh.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Martha, I found this intriguing, so I had to study it a bit this morning.  I started by looking at my database and then looking online.  I have some Teague connections but not a direct line, so I am always interested in them but never really researched them so a lot of my database on them is marked as "needing confirmed".  Since you mentioned Dorothy Gauntt being left out of her parents wills, I finally found wills for Israel and Hannah Spencer and found this as new information that was helpful for me since the Spencer and Abernathy are families that tie into my Stewarts.  This Israel Gauntt was disowned from New Garden MM 1758  for marrying out of unity, but I do not see them as parents of your Dorothy.  Do you know for sure who her parents were or is that what you are trying to find out? His brother Zebulon is also at New Garden at this time 1760n just listed as "with children" and I have not found a list in Hinshaw for them.  ( I think this is your Zebulon but think there is a general difference of opinion about "Dorothy" and " Joshua Teague") Next reference in New Garden is Samuel Kelly and wife Susannah in 1809, 1810 dis of Bush River and 1814 back at New Hope MM in Tenn. Israel and Zebulon both were members of New Burlington MM before New Garden I show the following as children of Zebulon: Maria m Thomas Jenkins; Samuel m Abigail Kelly; Zimri m Sarah Cook; Nebo m Sarah Brooks and Judith Wright; Sarah m Henry Hollingworth.  And I have a second wife for Zebulon, Mary Evans.  Most all of this needs confirmed but a lot of these end up married to my family. I have a Joshua Teague who married a Dorothy but I have her down as a Caldwell.  The Bush River Teague that I do have is an Elijah married Alice Leavell and brother to Joshua.  I have their parents as William and Isabell Loftin.  They are in my database because of my interest in the McDaniels.  (there is a connection that ends in Bush River but not relevant and lengthy). Basically, I am very interested in the Regulators movement and that Jesse Pugh who has hung is not really identified.  For years, he was thought to be the Jesse that has since been proven to have died years later in Alabama. My "theory " is that there was two Jesse Pugh's, not that complicated LOL and the one that was hung may not have left descendents and therefore remains not researched. Since your Joshua Teague seems to have survived his "outlaw" status, I have to wonder why. (Yes, I was one of those "why" kids and got the payback with six of my own).  Now this is a wild theory... IF Dorothy was a Caldwell and not a Teague and Rev David Caldwell was a big mediator of the trial of the Regulators and a friend of Gov Tyron, maybe she was related and if they "left" the area, he would not get hung!  Now I wonder how long it will take on the internet for that to become a fact. Scary! A more sane perspective is that I find no Teagues at New Garden so I would assume that if Joshua Teague had been Quaker it had to before he lived in NC, nor do I find any Gauntt's or Caldwells. (various spellings). Also, some of the very early Quakers in some colonies like Md chose to join the Church of England because if they did not, they could not own land, other chose to migrate to colonies where these English laws were not being enforced.  I do think that this "distaste" for English law under which many Quakers were persecuted in England and then had to choose to move to the colonies prevailed for generations and were likely a big factor in the actual Regulator movement.  Many had left the Quaker church years before and many still had family members that were still members.  Quakers did not shun a person after they were disowned and often allowed them to come back so family ties could remain strong even when they were no longer in the same "church". Quakers came here for "freedom from English persecution" oft times, so I think there was a basic need to resist as best they could the English laws. Here is something I found online that is worth keeping.  I think I would start by seeing if I could find just what "church" all of these outlaws attended.  Jesse Pugh is not listed so was he really hung? A PROCLAMATION:         "Whereas / have been in formed that many persons who have been         concerned in the late Rebellion are desirous of submitting         themselves to the Government, I do therefore give notice that         every person who will come in either to mine or General         Waddell's camp, lay down their arms and take the oath of         Allegiance and promise to pay all taxes that are now due or may         hereafter become due by them respectively and submit to the law         of this Country, shall have his Majesty's most gracious and free         pardon for all Treasons, Insurrections and Rebellings done or         committed, on or before the 16th of May last, provided they make         their submission afore said on or before the tenth of July next. The following persons are however excluded from the benefits of this Proclamation, viz, all the outlaws, the prisoners, all those concerned in the blowing up of General Waddell's ammunition in Mecklenburg County, and the undernamed persons, to wit: Samuel Jones     *_Joshua Teague_*     Samuel Waggoner Simon Dunn, Jr.     Abraham Greson     Benjamin Merrill <http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrevwar/ncrev_story.htm#benjamin> James Wilkerson     Edward Smith     John Bumpas Joseph Boring     William Rankin     William Robeson John Winkler     John Wilcox     Jacob Felton Thomas Persons         Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the Province, this 11th day June, A. Dom. 1771. On 6/25/2012 3:44 AM, Martha wrote: > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt >        Hananiah Gauntt >          Zebulon Gauntt >          Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague >            Sophia Teague + John Lyon >            Polly Lyon + (James) Carden >              JHR Carden + Eliza Dean >              William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher >                Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams >                Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:10:15 -0400 From: "Will Miller" <willmiller41@embarqmail.com> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Milhous To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8D1D703DA3FD4B69B155B5BA34726EFE@WillPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Does anyone on this list have Milhous information? I think that they mostly attended the Cane Creek and Wateree MM. 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