Hi, based on my own experience with my Mackenzie, McKenzie, McKinsey, McKinzie, McKensey, and even McKinney ancestory, I'd have to say that Nemiah is very likely the same as Nehemiah. I've found that literacy levels have varied wildly. If one or more of the people involved in a transaction were marinally literate or illiterate that could be a problem. And if the parties involved had heavy accents that could be a problem as well. I've seen old documents in which a persons name was spelled several different ways as a means to ward off confusion and claerly identify a buyer, seller, etc.. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Judith F. Russell Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] NEMIAH Thomas There is a tombstone in the Bush River Cemetery engraved NEMIAH (not Nehemiah) Thomas born 1740 died 1790. I've often wondered if this was a alternate spelling, the preferred spelling, or a typo by the engraver. I've never seen the Nemiah spelling used when people are discussion the family. What do folks think? JudyR ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbgorilla" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] SC- Bush River Quakers Mckinsey-Thomas > Hi Marsha, > Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Unfortunately I won't be able to > go to the Newberry homecoming. I'm in California and I'm trying to rebuild > my vacation balance at work after having taken a lot of time off the last > couple years. I have to correct a mistake I made in my previous e-mail. It > looks like Nehemiah Thomas was Sarah's brother, not her father. > > Currently I have a copy of Ruby Mundell Barry's book The McKinsey's: > Descendents of George W. Mckinsey and his wife Sarah Thomas-Mckinsey of > Newberry County, South Caorlina and Warren County, Ohio and the migrations > of their children into Indiana." What a mouthful. This is a self published > bok and I "lucked" into a copy. Since a copy was provided to me at cost > I'm > thinking of making copies for others and providing them at cost. I also > have > a copies of histories for Clinton, Boone, and Montgomery Counties in > Indiana. I still need to get the Annals of Newberry and find a history of > Frederick County Virginia. So far everything I have found in the books and > on the web indicates that George and his children were closely tied to the > Quaker families where they lived, married into those families, and > followed > the same migratory through the U.S.. > > While I don't have proof that it's the same George Mckinsey/McKenzie, I > have > found a copy of a baptism record from April, 1752 at Inverarity and Methy > Parish, Scotland for a George McKenzie, son of John McKenzie. And I have a > note somewhere that I was sent saying that someone had found a record of a > John Mckenzie living in Virginia at about the same time as George was > moving > into South Carolina. In the Mundell-Barry book there's an undocumented > reference to George and his parents coming to America in 1753. > > Oh, I almost forgot, my connection to George and Sarah is through their > son > Mordecai and his wife Catherine Reagan. Here's a summary of my lineage: > > > George W. McKinsey and Sara Thomas > > Mordecai Mckinsey and Catherine Reagan > > George W. Mckinsey and Hester Ann Leach > > Jasper Okane Mckinsey/McKenzie (spelling change around the Civil War) and > Martha Caroline Gentry > > George Reagan Mckenzie and Mary Colista Wiswell > > Homer Dan Mckenzie and Elizabeth Czoberek > > Rosemary Mckenzie and Lawrence Locken > > Bruce Locken > > One of my Uncles is George Reagan McKenzie as is his son and grandson. > > I have to go, I'm at work right now. Hope to hear from you soon. > > Bruce Locken > California > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of marsha > moses > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] SC- Bush River Quakers Mckinsey-Thomas > > > Oh, my gosh, Bruce, your timing is amazing. I am leaving this Thursday > to attend the homecoming for these families in Newberry County! If you > are close enough to come, please join us! I would LOVE to spend time > talking and exchanging information! Wow! there is too much to talk > about....but let me start! > > I believe that Sarah Thomas McKinsey is buried in the cemetery that > adjoined the Bush River Monthly Meeting. That is one of my biggest > goals on this trip....to talk to the "experts" who have written the book > on the cemetery (who are going to be there) to see what there opinion is > on this theory. And to see if the stone that I believe is hers still > lies in the place that I believe it should lie. > > My gut feeling about Sarah (EXTREMELY iffy....definitely not proven...) > is that she descends from the Quaker Thomas family that we find at > Hopewell MM in the early to mid 1700's. And again, I will share why I > believe this to be true when I have more time. I do think that the > family was Quaker at one time, but Sarah did not raise her children > Quaker as one of her children's spouses is dis mou in Ohio at the > marriage. If George had ever been Quaker, he wasn't after the death of > Sarah about 1809 before the family moved to Ohio. However, some of his > children intermarried with Quaker families in the Newberry area and the > whole family moved to Ohio with the mass exodus of the Quaker families > out of the south in the first decade of the 1800's. Sarah's > sister-in-law or aunt, Abigail Thomas, remained close to George's family > in Ohio and left a will that named Sarah and George's children as the > heirs. Abigail remained Quaker throughout her life....thus reinforcing > my thought that Sarah's Thomas family had been Quaker. > > I have never found a marriage for George and Sarah. I think that the > date of marriage has been circulated by using dates of births of older > children. I descend from their son Nehemiah who married Catherine > Elliott in Ohio. > > THe only piece of information that I question in your below information > is Sarah's father. Hmmmmm.....I am stumped right now on her father. I > have looked at Edward Thomas as a possible father a WHOLE lot....just > don't know yet. There are a lot of Nehemiah Thomas's....but the one who > is Abigail's husband and would seem to be likely leaves a will when he > dies....it is very evident that he is childless as he leaves most of his > bequests to nephews and nieces. > > I am VERY interested in your information that George moved to SC from > Frederick County, Virginia! My gut feeling is that is where the Thomas > family came from as well. > > Can't wait to hear back from you! Marsha Moses in WV > > sbgorilla wrote: > >>Hello, >>I'm looking for information about my 5-G grandfather George W. >>Mckinsey/McKenzie and his wife Sarah Thomas-Mckinsey. I know that George >>bought land near Newberry in 1773 and married Sarah Thomas about 1780 to >>1784 in or near Newberry. I've heard but haven't confirmed that she was a >>Quaker and he wasn't. A couple other family's they were close to were the >>Spray's, Elmore's, Weeks, Elliot's, and Ham's. Also I believe that Sarah's >>father was Nehemiah Thomas. Also I believe that George came through >>Frederick County, Virginia on his way to South Carolina. Please let me >>know >>if you have any information about the marriage of George and Sarah or if > you >>have any information about him coming from Virginia. >>Thank you, >>Bruce >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1430 - Release Date: > 5/13/2008 7:31 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That was supposed to be "marginally literate." -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of sbgorilla Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] NEMIAH Thomas Hi, based on my own experience with my Mackenzie, McKenzie, McKinsey, McKinzie, McKensey, and even McKinney ancestory, I'd have to say that Nemiah is very likely the same as Nehemiah. I've found that literacy levels have varied wildly. If one or more of the people involved in a transaction were marinally literate or illiterate that could be a problem. And if the parties involved had heavy accents that could be a problem as well. I've seen old documents in which a persons name was spelled several different ways as a means to ward off confusion and claerly identify a buyer, seller, etc.. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Judith F. Russell Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] NEMIAH Thomas There is a tombstone in the Bush River Cemetery engraved NEMIAH (not Nehemiah) Thomas born 1740 died 1790. I've often wondered if this was a alternate spelling, the preferred spelling, or a typo by the engraver. I've never seen the Nemiah spelling used when people are discussion the family. What do folks think? JudyR ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbgorilla" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] SC- Bush River Quakers Mckinsey-Thomas > Hi Marsha, > Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Unfortunately I won't be able to > go to the Newberry homecoming. I'm in California and I'm trying to rebuild > my vacation balance at work after having taken a lot of time off the last > couple years. I have to correct a mistake I made in my previous e-mail. It > looks like Nehemiah Thomas was Sarah's brother, not her father. > > Currently I have a copy of Ruby Mundell Barry's book The McKinsey's: > Descendents of George W. Mckinsey and his wife Sarah Thomas-Mckinsey of > Newberry County, South Caorlina and Warren County, Ohio and the migrations > of their children into Indiana." What a mouthful. This is a self published > bok and I "lucked" into a copy. Since a copy was provided to me at cost > I'm > thinking of making copies for others and providing them at cost. I also > have > a copies of histories for Clinton, Boone, and Montgomery Counties in > Indiana. I still need to get the Annals of Newberry and find a history of > Frederick County Virginia. So far everything I have found in the books and > on the web indicates that George and his children were closely tied to the > Quaker families where they lived, married into those families, and > followed > the same migratory through the U.S.. > > While I don't have proof that it's the same George Mckinsey/McKenzie, I > have > found a copy of a baptism record from April, 1752 at Inverarity and Methy > Parish, Scotland for a George McKenzie, son of John McKenzie. And I have a > note somewhere that I was sent saying that someone had found a record of a > John Mckenzie living in Virginia at about the same time as George was > moving > into South Carolina. In the Mundell-Barry book there's an undocumented > reference to George and his parents coming to America in 1753. > > Oh, I almost forgot, my connection to George and Sarah is through their > son > Mordecai and his wife Catherine Reagan. Here's a summary of my lineage: > > > George W. McKinsey and Sara Thomas > > Mordecai Mckinsey and Catherine Reagan > > George W. Mckinsey and Hester Ann Leach > > Jasper Okane Mckinsey/McKenzie (spelling change around the Civil War) and > Martha Caroline Gentry > > George Reagan Mckenzie and Mary Colista Wiswell > > Homer Dan Mckenzie and Elizabeth Czoberek > > Rosemary Mckenzie and Lawrence Locken > > Bruce Locken > > One of my Uncles is George Reagan McKenzie as is his son and grandson. > > I have to go, I'm at work right now. Hope to hear from you soon. > > Bruce Locken > California > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of marsha > moses > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] SC- Bush River Quakers Mckinsey-Thomas > > > Oh, my gosh, Bruce, your timing is amazing. I am leaving this Thursday > to attend the homecoming for these families in Newberry County! If you > are close enough to come, please join us! I would LOVE to spend time > talking and exchanging information! Wow! there is too much to talk > about....but let me start! > > I believe that Sarah Thomas McKinsey is buried in the cemetery that > adjoined the Bush River Monthly Meeting. That is one of my biggest > goals on this trip....to talk to the "experts" who have written the book > on the cemetery (who are going to be there) to see what there opinion is > on this theory. And to see if the stone that I believe is hers still > lies in the place that I believe it should lie. > > My gut feeling about Sarah (EXTREMELY iffy....definitely not proven...) > is that she descends from the Quaker Thomas family that we find at > Hopewell MM in the early to mid 1700's. And again, I will share why I > believe this to be true when I have more time. I do think that the > family was Quaker at one time, but Sarah did not raise her children > Quaker as one of her children's spouses is dis mou in Ohio at the > marriage. If George had ever been Quaker, he wasn't after the death of > Sarah about 1809 before the family moved to Ohio. However, some of his > children intermarried with Quaker families in the Newberry area and the > whole family moved to Ohio with the mass exodus of the Quaker families > out of the south in the first decade of the 1800's. Sarah's > sister-in-law or aunt, Abigail Thomas, remained close to George's family > in Ohio and left a will that named Sarah and George's children as the > heirs. Abigail remained Quaker throughout her life....thus reinforcing > my thought that Sarah's Thomas family had been Quaker. > > I have never found a marriage for George and Sarah. I think that the > date of marriage has been circulated by using dates of births of older > children. I descend from their son Nehemiah who married Catherine > Elliott in Ohio. > > THe only piece of information that I question in your below information > is Sarah's father. Hmmmmm.....I am stumped right now on her father. I > have looked at Edward Thomas as a possible father a WHOLE lot....just > don't know yet. There are a lot of Nehemiah Thomas's....but the one who > is Abigail's husband and would seem to be likely leaves a will when he > dies....it is very evident that he is childless as he leaves most of his > bequests to nephews and nieces. > > I am VERY interested in your information that George moved to SC from > Frederick County, Virginia! My gut feeling is that is where the Thomas > family came from as well. > > Can't wait to hear back from you! Marsha Moses in WV > > sbgorilla wrote: > >>Hello, >>I'm looking for information about my 5-G grandfather George W. >>Mckinsey/McKenzie and his wife Sarah Thomas-Mckinsey. I know that George >>bought land near Newberry in 1773 and married Sarah Thomas about 1780 to >>1784 in or near Newberry. I've heard but haven't confirmed that she was a >>Quaker and he wasn't. A couple other family's they were close to were the >>Spray's, Elmore's, Weeks, Elliot's, and Ham's. Also I believe that Sarah's >>father was Nehemiah Thomas. Also I believe that George came through >>Frederick County, Virginia on his way to South Carolina. Please let me >>know >>if you have any information about the marriage of George and Sarah or if > you >>have any information about him coming from Virginia. >>Thank you, >>Bruce >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1430 - Release Date: > 5/13/2008 7:31 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In those days, in England and its colonies, there was no such thing as standard spelling. Perfectly literate people often spelled the same words differently, sometimes even within the same document. It's true that Dr. Johnson wrote his dictionary earlier, I think definition was his goal, and the concept of spelling didn't really catch on for a long time. Karen Groton, MA On 5/13/08 1:55 PM, "sbgorilla" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > based on my own experience with my Mackenzie, McKenzie, McKinsey, McKinzie, > McKensey, and even McKinney ancestory, I'd have to say that Nemiah is very > likely the same as Nehemiah. I've found that literacy levels have varied > wildly. If one or more of the people involved in a transaction were > marinally literate or illiterate that could be a problem. And if the parties > involved had heavy accents that could be a problem as well. I've seen old > documents in which a persons name was spelled several different ways as a > means to ward off confusion and claerly identify a buyer, seller, etc.. > Bruce > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Judith F. > Russell > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] NEMIAH Thomas > > > There is a tombstone in the Bush River Cemetery engraved NEMIAH (not > Nehemiah) Thomas born 1740 died 1790. I've often wondered if this was a > alternate spelling, the preferred spelling, or a typo by the engraver. > > I've never seen the Nemiah spelling used when people are discussion the > family. What do folks think? > > JudyR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sbgorilla" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] SC- Bush River Quakers Mckinsey-Thomas > > >> Hi Marsha, >> Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Unfortunately I won't be able to >> go to the Newberry homecoming. I'm in California and I'm trying to rebuild >> my vacation balance at work after having taken a lot of time off the last >> couple years. I have to correct a mistake I made in my previous e-mail. It >> looks like Nehemiah Thomas was Sarah's brother, not her father. >> >> Currently I have a copy of Ruby Mundell Barry's book The McKinsey's: >> Descendents of George W. Mckinsey and his wife Sarah Thomas-Mckinsey of >> Newberry County, South Caorlina and Warren County, Ohio and the migrations >> of their children into Indiana." What a mouthful. This is a self published >> bok and I "lucked" into a copy. Since a copy was provided to me at cost >> I'm >> thinking of making copies for others and providing them at cost. I also >> have >> a copies of histories for Clinton, Boone, and Montgomery Counties in >> Indiana. I still need to get the Annals of Newberry and find a history of >> Frederick County Virginia. So far everything I have found in the books and >> on the web indicates that George and his children were closely tied to the >> Quaker families where they lived, married into those families, and >> followed >> the same migratory through the U.S.. >> >> While I don't have proof that it's the same George Mckinsey/McKenzie, I >> have >> found a copy of a baptism record from April, 1752 at Inverarity and Methy >> Parish, Scotland for a George McKenzie, son of John McKenzie. And I have a >> note somewhere that I was sent saying that someone had found a record of a >> John Mckenzie living in Virginia at about the same time as George was >> moving >> into South Carolina. In the Mundell-Barry book there's an undocumented >> reference to George and his parents coming to America in 1753. >> >> Oh, I almost forgot, my connection to George and Sarah is through their >> son >> Mordecai and his wife Catherine Reagan. Here's a summary of my lineage: >> >> >> George W. McKinsey and Sara Thomas >> >> Mordecai Mckinsey and Catherine Reagan >> >> George W. Mckinsey and Hester Ann Leach >> >> Jasper Okane Mckinsey/McKenzie (spelling change around the Civil War) and >> Martha Caroline Gentry >> >> George Reagan Mckenzie and Mary Colista Wiswell >> >> Homer Dan Mckenzie and Elizabeth Czoberek >> >> Rosemary Mckenzie and Lawrence Locken >> >> Bruce Locken >> >> One of my Uncles is George Reagan McKenzie as is his son and grandson. >> >> I have to go, I'm at work right now. Hope to hear from you soon. >> >> Bruce Locken >> California >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of marsha >> moses >> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:48 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] SC- Bush River Quakers Mckinsey-Thomas >> >> >> Oh, my gosh, Bruce, your timing is amazing. I am leaving this Thursday >> to attend the homecoming for these families in Newberry County! If you >> are close enough to come, please join us! I would LOVE to spend time >> talking and exchanging information! Wow! there is too much to talk >> about....but let me start! >> >> I believe that Sarah Thomas McKinsey is buried in the cemetery that >> adjoined the Bush River Monthly Meeting. That is one of my biggest >> goals on this trip....to talk to the "experts" who have written the book >> on the cemetery (who are going to be there) to see what there opinion is >> on this theory. And to see if the stone that I believe is hers still >> lies in the place that I believe it should lie. >> >> My gut feeling about Sarah (EXTREMELY iffy....definitely not proven...) >> is that she descends from the Quaker Thomas family that we find at >> Hopewell MM in the early to mid 1700's. And again, I will share why I >> believe this to be true when I have more time. I do think that the >> family was Quaker at one time, but Sarah did not raise her children >> Quaker as one of her children's spouses is dis mou in Ohio at the >> marriage. If George had ever been Quaker, he wasn't after the death of >> Sarah about 1809 before the family moved to Ohio. However, some of his >> children intermarried with Quaker families in the Newberry area and the >> whole family moved to Ohio with the mass exodus of the Quaker families >> out of the south in the first decade of the 1800's. Sarah's >> sister-in-law or aunt, Abigail Thomas, remained close to George's family >> in Ohio and left a will that named Sarah and George's children as the >> heirs. Abigail remained Quaker throughout her life....thus reinforcing >> my thought that Sarah's Thomas family had been Quaker. >> >> I have never found a marriage for George and Sarah. I think that the >> date of marriage has been circulated by using dates of births of older >> children. I descend from their son Nehemiah who married Catherine >> Elliott in Ohio. >> >> THe only piece of information that I question in your below information >> is Sarah's father. Hmmmmm.....I am stumped right now on her father. I >> have looked at Edward Thomas as a possible father a WHOLE lot....just >> don't know yet. There are a lot of Nehemiah Thomas's....but the one who >> is Abigail's husband and would seem to be likely leaves a will when he >> dies....it is very evident that he is childless as he leaves most of his >> bequests to nephews and nieces. >> >> I am VERY interested in your information that George moved to SC from >> Frederick County, Virginia! My gut feeling is that is where the Thomas >> family came from as well. >> >> Can't wait to hear back from you! Marsha Moses in WV >> >> sbgorilla wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I'm looking for information about my 5-G grandfather George W. >>> Mckinsey/McKenzie and his wife Sarah Thomas-Mckinsey. I know that George >>> bought land near Newberry in 1773 and married Sarah Thomas about 1780 to >>> 1784 in or near Newberry. I've heard but haven't confirmed that she was a >>> Quaker and he wasn't. A couple other family's they were close to were the >>> Spray's, Elmore's, Weeks, Elliot's, and Ham's. Also I believe that Sarah's >>> father was Nehemiah Thomas. Also I believe that George came through >>> Frederick County, Virginia on his way to South Carolina. Please let me >>> know >>> if you have any information about the marriage of George and Sarah or if >> you >>> have any information about him coming from Virginia. >>> Thank you, >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1430 - Release Date: >> 5/13/2008 7:31 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >