Check Oklahoma records for the forced Indian Removal from Georgia. If they married in the 1770's, her parents may not have lived long enough to be marched to Oklahoma, but perhaps her siblings did. I recall they all had to register by tribe upon arrival. -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Standcedargrove@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:23 PM To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: tootsieroll47@gmail.com; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Stumped on this lady This mailing is written in response to a query from Chris on the Quaker-Roots web site dated 1/17/2011. Chris has been searching for a Sarah Morgan born 1755-1760 in Georgia. She married a Joel Sanders Jr. born 1751. They both died in Ohio. Joel was Quaker and disowned due to marriage. Sarah was 1/2 Cherokee. Chris cannot find Sarah's parents anywhere. The children of Joel and Sarah were Barbara born 1780 married Samuel Whitson (Chris's line), William born 1778 married Amy Williams, Sarah, Charity, Mordecai, and Margaret. Chris does not know where to go next in this search. Perhaps Chris has already explored my suggestions, but I will present them here in case they might be helpful. In a discussion of Native American Quakers on the Quaker-Roots web site, I submitted a mailing dated 9 Aug 2005. I called attention to some passages from a genealogy, _The Alllen Family, Desceandants of John and Amy Cox Allen with Allied Lines_, compiled by Lester M. Allen and copyright in 1987. On pages 264-265 he discusses the Cherokee Indian ancestry of the Sanders family. giving three separate accounts which vary in details but have certain similarities. For those not acquainted with Quaker history in the South, I might give a brief overview. Beginning shortly after 1700, Quakers began to move out of the Delaware Valley from the area of southeast Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, and northern Delaware, ----- through eastern Maryland to northern Virginia. In the years following 1750 this group of Quakers began to move in large numbers into the Piedmont area of north-central North Carolina. About 1762, dissatisfied with conditions in Virginia and North Carolina, Quakers began to move into the back country of western South Carolina. Several families came from the Cane Creek Monthly Meeting area near present-day Snow Camp, North Carolina. This new South Carolina settlement was centered at Bush River near the present town of Newberry, South Carolina. However, some of these Quaker settlers at Bush River did not stay in South Carolina, but when they were offered special inducements by the government of Georgia about 1770, they moved about 40 miles away from Bush River to establish a new Quaker settlement called Wrightsborough in present-day McDuffie County, Georgia. In 1774 Wrightborough Monthly Meeting was set off from Bush River Monthly Meeting. However, there seemed to be communication between the two groups of Friends and some intermarriage. In the years from about 1800 to 1808, there was a great emigration of Quakers from the Bush River and Wrightsborough to the general area of the Northwest Territory, primarily to escape the encroachment of the culture employing slavea labor. Bush River emigratnts seemed to settle primarily in southwest Ohio . Some Wrightsborough emigrants settled in the same area of Ohio, but some moved to eastern Tennessee, and some moved as far as the Belmont County area of eastern Ohio. Following this emigration, the Friends Meetings of the South Carolina and Georgia back country could not be maintained and were closed. In the later nineteenth century, descendants of the Quakers making the migration from the Carolinas and Georgia to the Ohio and Indiana territories compiled accounts of the migration. Some of these accounts were published in books and periodicals of the time, but others seem not to have had large circulation and can be found only in large library archives. Lester Allen, in his genealogy, quotes from accounts wirtten by Wilson S. Doan and by Walter Boone. Wilson S. Doan writes of a story told by Aunt Molly Coppock at an evening camp fire of those from Bush River on their way to the Northwest Territory. She stated that her grandmother was a Cherokee Indian. "For over seventy years, there was an Indian village on Bush River not far above the little Friends settlement. There was a good deal of bitterness between the Indians and the white men, and border warfare between them was frequent. One night, a company of soldiers, together with some settlers, who had volunteered, fell upon this Indian village and killed every Indian, man, woman, and child, save only two. A little boy and a little girl, about five and six years old, escaped in some way from the burning wigwams and the scenes of slaughter, and the next morning they were found by my great-grandfather, when he happened to pass that way. They were hungry and were crying, and he took them to his home. Later, he adopted them. They grew into manhood and womanhood, as my great grandfather's own children, and his own son fell in love with the girl and they were married That girl was my grandmother Sanders, and from that time the Cherokees have always been our friends. Grandmother taught me their language when I was a little girl and I can still speak it quite well." Another version, perhaps referring to the same massacre, written by Walter Boone, includes the following: The Quakers heard that an Indian village in the Carolinas had been destroyed and the inhabitants massacred by white men. The Quakers went there to see if there was anything they could do. They buried the victims and found two little Indian girls hiding in the bushes nearby. They brought them home and they were raised by a Quaker family, David Johnson-Mary Woody. Later two Sanders brothers married them. My grandmother, Elizabeh Hoover (Sanders) Boone was dark complected ------- The version told by Molly Coppock seems most authentic and peartaining to the Quakers of Bush River and Wrightsboroush. I have not been able to ascertain the parentage of Molly Coppock. She appears to have been an older woman at the time of the migration north. Coppock families received certificates to Miami Monthly Meeting in Ohio from Bush River Monthly Meeting in 1805 and 1806. Perhaps "Molly"' was a nick-name and not a proper name. The family of Joel Snders, Sr. was received ito membership by Wrightsboroush Monthly Meeting on May 6, 1775 by a certificate from Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (North Carolina) dated January 2, 1773. This does not necessariy mean that the family left North Carolina in 1773. They might have moved to South Carolina or Georgia several years before requesting a certificate. The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting, especially the men's minutes, have not all been preserved. It appears that Joel Sanders, Jr. must have been disowned for marriage contrary to discipline. On October 5, 1782, Sarah Sanders, wife of Joel, was received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at her request. Joel Sanders, Jr. must have then been received back into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting. On December 2, 1786, William and Barbara, small children of Joel Sanders, were received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at the request of their father.---- The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting after the beginning of 1793 have been lost. It is presumed that Joel Sanders, Jr. and Sarah and family were granted a certificate to a Friends Monthly Meeting in Ohio when they left Georgia, probably Miami Monthly Meeting. Abstracted records of the early southwestern Ohio Monthly Meetings are included in Volume 5 of the _Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy_, compiled by William Wade Hinshaw. I do not have a copy of this work at hand. If Sarah Morgan had been the little Indian girl, wandering with her brother, outside of the massacred Indian village, It would probably be difficult to ascertain her parentage. Perhaps the annals of Cherokee history include an account of the massacre, where and when it actually occurred. I do not know how she acquired the name of Sarah Morgan. Perhaps she had a white father with the surname of Morgan. Perhaps he was living in the Indian village with his Indian wife at the time of the massacre and was killed, or perhaps his relationship with the Indian woman had been terminated before the time of the massacre, and he had left the area. --------- These are my thoughts concerning this matter at this time, and I hope they might be helpful to Chris in the search for the background of Sarah Morgan. - Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Don't forget "Cherokee by Blood." I think they are 11 volumes, MORGAN appears to be an Indian surname. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Hansen Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:37 AM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Stumped on this lady Check Oklahoma records for the forced Indian Removal from Georgia. If they married in the 1770's, her parents may not have lived long enough to be marched to Oklahoma, but perhaps her siblings did. I recall they all had to register by tribe upon arrival. -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Standcedargrove@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:23 PM To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: tootsieroll47@gmail.com; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Stumped on this lady This mailing is written in response to a query from Chris on the Quaker-Roots web site dated 1/17/2011. Chris has been searching for a Sarah Morgan born 1755-1760 in Georgia. She married a Joel Sanders Jr. born 1751. They both died in Ohio. Joel was Quaker and disowned due to marriage. Sarah was 1/2 Cherokee. Chris cannot find Sarah's parents anywhere. The children of Joel and Sarah were Barbara born 1780 married Samuel Whitson (Chris's line), William born 1778 married Amy Williams, Sarah, Charity, Mordecai, and Margaret. Chris does not know where to go next in this search. Perhaps Chris has already explored my suggestions, but I will present them here in case they might be helpful. In a discussion of Native American Quakers on the Quaker-Roots web site, I submitted a mailing dated 9 Aug 2005. I called attention to some passages from a genealogy, _The Alllen Family, Desceandants of John and Amy Cox Allen with Allied Lines_, compiled by Lester M. Allen and copyright in 1987. On pages 264-265 he discusses the Cherokee Indian ancestry of the Sanders family. giving three separate accounts which vary in details but have certain similarities. For those not acquainted with Quaker history in the South, I might give a brief overview. Beginning shortly after 1700, Quakers began to move out of the Delaware Valley from the area of southeast Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, and northern Delaware, ----- through eastern Maryland to northern Virginia. In the years following 1750 this group of Quakers began to move in large numbers into the Piedmont area of north-central North Carolina. About 1762, dissatisfied with conditions in Virginia and North Carolina, Quakers began to move into the back country of western South Carolina. Several families came from the Cane Creek Monthly Meeting area near present-day Snow Camp, North Carolina. This new South Carolina settlement was centered at Bush River near the present town of Newberry, South Carolina. However, some of these Quaker settlers at Bush River did not stay in South Carolina, but when they were offered special inducements by the government of Georgia about 1770, they moved about 40 miles away from Bush River to establish a new Quaker settlement called Wrightsborough in present-day McDuffie County, Georgia. In 1774 Wrightborough Monthly Meeting was set off from Bush River Monthly Meeting. However, there seemed to be communication between the two groups of Friends and some intermarriage. In the years from about 1800 to 1808, there was a great emigration of Quakers from the Bush River and Wrightsborough to the general area of the Northwest Territory, primarily to escape the encroachment of the culture employing slavea labor. Bush River emigratnts seemed to settle primarily in southwest Ohio . Some Wrightsborough emigrants settled in the same area of Ohio, but some moved to eastern Tennessee, and some moved as far as the Belmont County area of eastern Ohio. Following this emigration, the Friends Meetings of the South Carolina and Georgia back country could not be maintained and were closed. In the later nineteenth century, descendants of the Quakers making the migration from the Carolinas and Georgia to the Ohio and Indiana territories compiled accounts of the migration. Some of these accounts were published in books and periodicals of the time, but others seem not to have had large circulation and can be found only in large library archives. Lester Allen, in his genealogy, quotes from accounts wirtten by Wilson S. Doan and by Walter Boone. Wilson S. Doan writes of a story told by Aunt Molly Coppock at an evening camp fire of those from Bush River on their way to the Northwest Territory. She stated that her grandmother was a Cherokee Indian. "For over seventy years, there was an Indian village on Bush River not far above the little Friends settlement. There was a good deal of bitterness between the Indians and the white men, and border warfare between them was frequent. One night, a company of soldiers, together with some settlers, who had volunteered, fell upon this Indian village and killed every Indian, man, woman, and child, save only two. A little boy and a little girl, about five and six years old, escaped in some way from the burning wigwams and the scenes of slaughter, and the next morning they were found by my great-grandfather, when he happened to pass that way. They were hungry and were crying, and he took them to his home. Later, he adopted them. They grew into manhood and womanhood, as my great grandfather's own children, and his own son fell in love with the girl and they were married That girl was my grandmother Sanders, and from that time the Cherokees have always been our friends. Grandmother taught me their language when I was a little girl and I can still speak it quite well." Another version, perhaps referring to the same massacre, written by Walter Boone, includes the following: The Quakers heard that an Indian village in the Carolinas had been destroyed and the inhabitants massacred by white men. The Quakers went there to see if there was anything they could do. They buried the victims and found two little Indian girls hiding in the bushes nearby. They brought them home and they were raised by a Quaker family, David Johnson-Mary Woody. Later two Sanders brothers married them. My grandmother, Elizabeh Hoover (Sanders) Boone was dark complected ------- The version told by Molly Coppock seems most authentic and peartaining to the Quakers of Bush River and Wrightsboroush. I have not been able to ascertain the parentage of Molly Coppock. She appears to have been an older woman at the time of the migration north. Coppock families received certificates to Miami Monthly Meeting in Ohio from Bush River Monthly Meeting in 1805 and 1806. Perhaps "Molly"' was a nick-name and not a proper name. The family of Joel Snders, Sr. was received ito membership by Wrightsboroush Monthly Meeting on May 6, 1775 by a certificate from Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (North Carolina) dated January 2, 1773. This does not necessariy mean that the family left North Carolina in 1773. They might have moved to South Carolina or Georgia several years before requesting a certificate. The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting, especially the men's minutes, have not all been preserved. It appears that Joel Sanders, Jr. must have been disowned for marriage contrary to discipline. On October 5, 1782, Sarah Sanders, wife of Joel, was received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at her request. Joel Sanders, Jr. must have then been received back into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting. On December 2, 1786, William and Barbara, small children of Joel Sanders, were received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at the request of their father.---- The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting after the beginning of 1793 have been lost. It is presumed that Joel Sanders, Jr. and Sarah and family were granted a certificate to a Friends Monthly Meeting in Ohio when they left Georgia, probably Miami Monthly Meeting. Abstracted records of the early southwestern Ohio Monthly Meetings are included in Volume 5 of the _Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy_, compiled by William Wade Hinshaw. I do not have a copy of this work at hand. If Sarah Morgan had been the little Indian girl, wandering with her brother, outside of the massacred Indian village, It would probably be difficult to ascertain her parentage. Perhaps the annals of Cherokee history include an account of the massacre, where and when it actually occurred. I do not know how she acquired the name of Sarah Morgan. Perhaps she had a white father with the surname of Morgan. Perhaps he was living in the Indian village with his Indian wife at the time of the massacre and was killed, or perhaps his relationship with the Indian woman had been terminated before the time of the massacre, and he had left the area. --------- These are my thoughts concerning this matter at this time, and I hope they might be helpful to Chris in the search for the background of Sarah Morgan. - Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Copies of the *complete ECAs*, that are associated with the condensed data in this book series, can be viewed, printed, or downloaded at Footnote.com. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Audrey Pool To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Stumped on this lady Don't forget "Cherokee by Blood." I think they are 11 volumes, MORGAN appears to be an Indian surname. Audrey and the body of the message