Check Oklahoma records for the forced Indian Removal from Georgia. If they married in the 1770's, her parents may not have lived long enough to be marched to Oklahoma, but perhaps her siblings did. I recall they all had to register by tribe upon arrival. -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Standcedargrove@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:23 PM To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: tootsieroll47@gmail.com; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Stumped on this lady This mailing is written in response to a query from Chris on the Quaker-Roots web site dated 1/17/2011. Chris has been searching for a Sarah Morgan born 1755-1760 in Georgia. She married a Joel Sanders Jr. born 1751. They both died in Ohio. Joel was Quaker and disowned due to marriage. Sarah was 1/2 Cherokee. Chris cannot find Sarah's parents anywhere. The children of Joel and Sarah were Barbara born 1780 married Samuel Whitson (Chris's line), William born 1778 married Amy Williams, Sarah, Charity, Mordecai, and Margaret. Chris does not know where to go next in this search. Perhaps Chris has already explored my suggestions, but I will present them here in case they might be helpful. In a discussion of Native American Quakers on the Quaker-Roots web site, I submitted a mailing dated 9 Aug 2005. I called attention to some passages from a genealogy, _The Alllen Family, Desceandants of John and Amy Cox Allen with Allied Lines_, compiled by Lester M. Allen and copyright in 1987. On pages 264-265 he discusses the Cherokee Indian ancestry of the Sanders family. giving three separate accounts which vary in details but have certain similarities. For those not acquainted with Quaker history in the South, I might give a brief overview. Beginning shortly after 1700, Quakers began to move out of the Delaware Valley from the area of southeast Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, and northern Delaware, ----- through eastern Maryland to northern Virginia. In the years following 1750 this group of Quakers began to move in large numbers into the Piedmont area of north-central North Carolina. About 1762, dissatisfied with conditions in Virginia and North Carolina, Quakers began to move into the back country of western South Carolina. Several families came from the Cane Creek Monthly Meeting area near present-day Snow Camp, North Carolina. This new South Carolina settlement was centered at Bush River near the present town of Newberry, South Carolina. However, some of these Quaker settlers at Bush River did not stay in South Carolina, but when they were offered special inducements by the government of Georgia about 1770, they moved about 40 miles away from Bush River to establish a new Quaker settlement called Wrightsborough in present-day McDuffie County, Georgia. In 1774 Wrightborough Monthly Meeting was set off from Bush River Monthly Meeting. However, there seemed to be communication between the two groups of Friends and some intermarriage. In the years from about 1800 to 1808, there was a great emigration of Quakers from the Bush River and Wrightsborough to the general area of the Northwest Territory, primarily to escape the encroachment of the culture employing slavea labor. Bush River emigratnts seemed to settle primarily in southwest Ohio . Some Wrightsborough emigrants settled in the same area of Ohio, but some moved to eastern Tennessee, and some moved as far as the Belmont County area of eastern Ohio. Following this emigration, the Friends Meetings of the South Carolina and Georgia back country could not be maintained and were closed. In the later nineteenth century, descendants of the Quakers making the migration from the Carolinas and Georgia to the Ohio and Indiana territories compiled accounts of the migration. Some of these accounts were published in books and periodicals of the time, but others seem not to have had large circulation and can be found only in large library archives. Lester Allen, in his genealogy, quotes from accounts wirtten by Wilson S. Doan and by Walter Boone. Wilson S. Doan writes of a story told by Aunt Molly Coppock at an evening camp fire of those from Bush River on their way to the Northwest Territory. She stated that her grandmother was a Cherokee Indian. "For over seventy years, there was an Indian village on Bush River not far above the little Friends settlement. There was a good deal of bitterness between the Indians and the white men, and border warfare between them was frequent. One night, a company of soldiers, together with some settlers, who had volunteered, fell upon this Indian village and killed every Indian, man, woman, and child, save only two. A little boy and a little girl, about five and six years old, escaped in some way from the burning wigwams and the scenes of slaughter, and the next morning they were found by my great-grandfather, when he happened to pass that way. They were hungry and were crying, and he took them to his home. Later, he adopted them. They grew into manhood and womanhood, as my great grandfather's own children, and his own son fell in love with the girl and they were married That girl was my grandmother Sanders, and from that time the Cherokees have always been our friends. Grandmother taught me their language when I was a little girl and I can still speak it quite well." Another version, perhaps referring to the same massacre, written by Walter Boone, includes the following: The Quakers heard that an Indian village in the Carolinas had been destroyed and the inhabitants massacred by white men. The Quakers went there to see if there was anything they could do. They buried the victims and found two little Indian girls hiding in the bushes nearby. They brought them home and they were raised by a Quaker family, David Johnson-Mary Woody. Later two Sanders brothers married them. My grandmother, Elizabeh Hoover (Sanders) Boone was dark complected ------- The version told by Molly Coppock seems most authentic and peartaining to the Quakers of Bush River and Wrightsboroush. I have not been able to ascertain the parentage of Molly Coppock. She appears to have been an older woman at the time of the migration north. Coppock families received certificates to Miami Monthly Meeting in Ohio from Bush River Monthly Meeting in 1805 and 1806. Perhaps "Molly"' was a nick-name and not a proper name. The family of Joel Snders, Sr. was received ito membership by Wrightsboroush Monthly Meeting on May 6, 1775 by a certificate from Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (North Carolina) dated January 2, 1773. This does not necessariy mean that the family left North Carolina in 1773. They might have moved to South Carolina or Georgia several years before requesting a certificate. The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting, especially the men's minutes, have not all been preserved. It appears that Joel Sanders, Jr. must have been disowned for marriage contrary to discipline. On October 5, 1782, Sarah Sanders, wife of Joel, was received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at her request. Joel Sanders, Jr. must have then been received back into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting. On December 2, 1786, William and Barbara, small children of Joel Sanders, were received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at the request of their father.---- The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting after the beginning of 1793 have been lost. It is presumed that Joel Sanders, Jr. and Sarah and family were granted a certificate to a Friends Monthly Meeting in Ohio when they left Georgia, probably Miami Monthly Meeting. Abstracted records of the early southwestern Ohio Monthly Meetings are included in Volume 5 of the _Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy_, compiled by William Wade Hinshaw. I do not have a copy of this work at hand. If Sarah Morgan had been the little Indian girl, wandering with her brother, outside of the massacred Indian village, It would probably be difficult to ascertain her parentage. Perhaps the annals of Cherokee history include an account of the massacre, where and when it actually occurred. I do not know how she acquired the name of Sarah Morgan. Perhaps she had a white father with the surname of Morgan. Perhaps he was living in the Indian village with his Indian wife at the time of the massacre and was killed, or perhaps his relationship with the Indian woman had been terminated before the time of the massacre, and he had left the area. --------- These are my thoughts concerning this matter at this time, and I hope they might be helpful to Chris in the search for the background of Sarah Morgan. - Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This mailing is written in response to a query from Chris on the Quaker-Roots web site dated 1/17/2011. Chris has been searching for a Sarah Morgan born 1755-1760 in Georgia. She married a Joel Sanders Jr. born 1751. They both died in Ohio. Joel was Quaker and disowned due to marriage. Sarah was 1/2 Cherokee. Chris cannot find Sarah's parents anywhere. The children of Joel and Sarah were Barbara born 1780 married Samuel Whitson (Chris's line), William born 1778 married Amy Williams, Sarah, Charity, Mordecai, and Margaret. Chris does not know where to go next in this search. Perhaps Chris has already explored my suggestions, but I will present them here in case they might be helpful. In a discussion of Native American Quakers on the Quaker-Roots web site, I submitted a mailing dated 9 Aug 2005. I called attention to some passages from a genealogy, _The Alllen Family, Desceandants of John and Amy Cox Allen with Allied Lines_, compiled by Lester M. Allen and copyright in 1987. On pages 264-265 he discusses the Cherokee Indian ancestry of the Sanders family. giving three separate accounts which vary in details but have certain similarities. For those not acquainted with Quaker history in the South, I might give a brief overview. Beginning shortly after 1700, Quakers began to move out of the Delaware Valley from the area of southeast Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, and northern Delaware, ----- through eastern Maryland to northern Virginia. In the years following 1750 this group of Quakers began to move in large numbers into the Piedmont area of north-central North Carolina. About 1762, dissatisfied with conditions in Virginia and North Carolina, Quakers began to move into the back country of western South Carolina. Several families came from the Cane Creek Monthly Meeting area near present-day Snow Camp, North Carolina. This new South Carolina settlement was centered at Bush River near the present town of Newberry, South Carolina. However, some of these Quaker settlers at Bush River did not stay in South Carolina, but when they were offered special inducements by the government of Georgia about 1770, they moved about 40 miles away from Bush River to establish a new Quaker settlement called Wrightsborough in present-day McDuffie County, Georgia. In 1774 Wrightborough Monthly Meeting was set off from Bush River Monthly Meeting. However, there seemed to be communication between the two groups of Friends and some intermarriage. In the years from about 1800 to 1808, there was a great emigration of Quakers from the Bush River and Wrightsborough to the general area of the Northwest Territory, primarily to escape the encroachment of the culture employing slavea labor. Bush River emigratnts seemed to settle primarily in southwest Ohio . Some Wrightsborough emigrants settled in the same area of Ohio, but some moved to eastern Tennessee, and some moved as far as the Belmont County area of eastern Ohio. Following this emigration, the Friends Meetings of the South Carolina and Georgia back country could not be maintained and were closed. In the later nineteenth century, descendants of the Quakers making the migration from the Carolinas and Georgia to the Ohio and Indiana territories compiled accounts of the migration. Some of these accounts were published in books and periodicals of the time, but others seem not to have had large circulation and can be found only in large library archives. Lester Allen, in his genealogy, quotes from accounts wirtten by Wilson S. Doan and by Walter Boone. Wilson S. Doan writes of a story told by Aunt Molly Coppock at an evening camp fire of those from Bush River on their way to the Northwest Territory. She stated that her grandmother was a Cherokee Indian. "For over seventy years, there was an Indian village on Bush River not far above the little Friends settlement. There was a good deal of bitterness between the Indians and the white men, and border warfare between them was frequent. One night, a company of soldiers, together with some settlers, who had volunteered, fell upon this Indian village and killed every Indian, man, woman, and child, save only two. A little boy and a little girl, about five and six years old, escaped in some way from the burning wigwams and the scenes of slaughter, and the next morning they were found by my great-grandfather, when he happened to pass that way. They were hungry and were crying, and he took them to his home. Later, he adopted them. They grew into manhood and womanhood, as my great grandfather's own children, and his own son fell in love with the girl and they were married That girl was my grandmother Sanders, and from that time the Cherokees have always been our friends. Grandmother taught me their language when I was a little girl and I can still speak it quite well." Another version, perhaps referring to the same massacre, written by Walter Boone, includes the following: The Quakers heard that an Indian village in the Carolinas had been destroyed and the inhabitants massacred by white men. The Quakers went there to see if there was anything they could do. They buried the victims and found two little Indian girls hiding in the bushes nearby. They brought them home and they were raised by a Quaker family, David Johnson-Mary Woody. Later two Sanders brothers married them. My grandmother, Elizabeh Hoover (Sanders) Boone was dark complected ------- The version told by Molly Coppock seems most authentic and peartaining to the Quakers of Bush River and Wrightsboroush. I have not been able to ascertain the parentage of Molly Coppock. She appears to have been an older woman at the time of the migration north. Coppock families received certificates to Miami Monthly Meeting in Ohio from Bush River Monthly Meeting in 1805 and 1806. Perhaps "Molly"' was a nick-name and not a proper name. The family of Joel Snders, Sr. was received ito membership by Wrightsboroush Monthly Meeting on May 6, 1775 by a certificate from Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (North Carolina) dated January 2, 1773. This does not necessariy mean that the family left North Carolina in 1773. They might have moved to South Carolina or Georgia several years before requesting a certificate. The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting, especially the men's minutes, have not all been preserved. It appears that Joel Sanders, Jr. must have been disowned for marriage contrary to discipline. On October 5, 1782, Sarah Sanders, wife of Joel, was received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at her request. Joel Sanders, Jr. must have then been received back into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting. On December 2, 1786, William and Barbara, small children of Joel Sanders, were received into membership by Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting at the request of their father.---- The records of Wrightsborough Monthly Meeting after the beginning of 1793 have been lost. It is presumed that Joel Sanders, Jr. and Sarah and family were granted a certificate to a Friends Monthly Meeting in Ohio when they left Georgia, probably Miami Monthly Meeting. Abstracted records of the early southwestern Ohio Monthly Meetings are included in Volume 5 of the _Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy_, compiled by William Wade Hinshaw. I do not have a copy of this work at hand. If Sarah Morgan had been the little Indian girl, wandering with her brother, outside of the massacred Indian village, It would probably be difficult to ascertain her parentage. Perhaps the annals of Cherokee history include an account of the massacre, where and when it actually occurred. I do not know how she acquired the name of Sarah Morgan. Perhaps she had a white father with the surname of Morgan. Perhaps he was living in the Indian village with his Indian wife at the time of the massacre and was killed, or perhaps his relationship with the Indian woman had been terminated before the time of the massacre, and he had left the area. --------- These are my thoughts concerning this matter at this time, and I hope they might be helpful to Chris in the search for the background of Sarah Morgan. - Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa.

----- Original Message ----- From: David Senn To: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com Cc: jrussell2@charter.net Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:33 PM Subject: subscribe Greetings, Allow me to introduce myself. I am David L. Senn of Clemson. My Father T. L. Senn (Taze Leonard) was from Newberry and has relatives on the Senn side of his family as well as on his Mothers side which was Reeder, buried at Bush River. There might be some relatives on his grandmothers side which is the Hendricks family. Any help with tracing these kin folk would be greatly appreciated. Could you copy him at his address (tsenn@mindspring.com )as well as this one? Thank you so much! Regards! David

I have a Baptist relative, Freelove Muse Burgess b. 1755 Camden Co, N.C. NH -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Pool Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:45 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] A note about early Quakers - for the whole List Hi Harriet, I've seen the name, FREELOVE, many times but never thought about someone being given that name...except a surname. I had a good chuckle. The first time I read Quaker Rolls, they were fascinating - But when they "dismissed" members because of "frolik'n", I decided they most likely were not Ray's (husband) ancestors! If all of us kept records like the Quakers, we wouldn't have such a hard time finding our people from the south. And, for anyone who has not read Quaker Rolls, it is worth the time looking for ancestors. A BIG THANKS to Judy for the way she handles this List. Thanks for sharing, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harriet Imrey Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:53 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812,Edgefield SC Hi, Audrey. I rather like the name "WellBeloved" too. Am less certain that I would enjoy discovering one of the many ladies named "Freelove" among my 18th-century ancestors. I believe that it was more of a Puritan(!) name than a Quaker one. Harriet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Pool" <aep@madnet.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812,Edgefield SC Judy, I think this WALKER line is the one a HOLLOWAY intermarried with. You would know about that, right? Don't you have this line posted? Also, we have MAY{S} - two that married into our POOL line: Philip Curtis(?) MAY and John W. MAY{S} - they married sisters and John W. and Lucinda POOL had a son, Benjamin. John and Lucinda were ancestors of a classmate in AZ. Neither of us knew this until we looked at her family Bible on a visit to AZ. She was one of my favorite classmates, so I was not unhappy! Do you have these people? "WellBeloved" - I could handle this!! Thanks, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith F. Russell Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:53 AM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com; sc-horns-creek-baptist@rootsweb.com; MAYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812, Edgefield SC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Audrey. I rather like the name "WellBeloved" too. Am less certain that I would enjoy discovering one of the many ladies named "Freelove" among my 18th-century ancestors. I believe that it was more of a Puritan(!) name than a Quaker one. Harriet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Pool" <aep@madnet.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812,Edgefield SC Judy, I think this WALKER line is the one a HOLLOWAY intermarried with. You would know about that, right? Don't you have this line posted? Also, we have MAY{S} - two that married into our POOL line: Philip Curtis(?) MAY and John W. MAY{S} - they married sisters and John W. and Lucinda POOL had a son, Benjamin. John and Lucinda were ancestors of a classmate in AZ. Neither of us knew this until we looked at her family Bible on a visit to AZ. She was one of my favorite classmates, so I was not unhappy! Do you have these people? "WellBeloved" - I could handle this!! Thanks, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith F. Russell Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:53 AM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com; sc-horns-creek-baptist@rootsweb.com; MAYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812, Edgefield SC

Hi Harriet, I've seen the name, FREELOVE, many times but never thought about someone being given that name...except a surname. I had a good chuckle. The first time I read Quaker Rolls, they were fascinating - But when they "dismissed" members because of "frolik'n", I decided they most likely were not Ray's (husband) ancestors! If all of us kept records like the Quakers, we wouldn't have such a hard time finding our people from the south. And, for anyone who has not read Quaker Rolls, it is worth the time looking for ancestors. A BIG THANKS to Judy for the way she handles this List. Thanks for sharing, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harriet Imrey Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:53 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812,Edgefield SC Hi, Audrey. I rather like the name "WellBeloved" too. Am less certain that I would enjoy discovering one of the many ladies named "Freelove" among my 18th-century ancestors. I believe that it was more of a Puritan(!) name than a Quaker one. Harriet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Pool" <aep@madnet.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812,Edgefield SC Judy, I think this WALKER line is the one a HOLLOWAY intermarried with. You would know about that, right? Don't you have this line posted? Also, we have MAY{S} - two that married into our POOL line: Philip Curtis(?) MAY and John W. MAY{S} - they married sisters and John W. and Lucinda POOL had a son, Benjamin. John and Lucinda were ancestors of a classmate in AZ. Neither of us knew this until we looked at her family Bible on a visit to AZ. She was one of my favorite classmates, so I was not unhappy! Do you have these people? "WellBeloved" - I could handle this!! Thanks, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith F. Russell Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:53 AM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com; sc-horns-creek-baptist@rootsweb.com; MAYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812, Edgefield SC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, I think this WALKER line is the one a HOLLOWAY intermarried with. You would know about that, right? Don't you have this line posted? Also, we have MAY{S} - two that married into our POOL line: Philip Curtis(?) MAY and John W. MAY{S} - they married sisters and John W. and Lucinda POOL had a son, Benjamin. John and Lucinda were ancestors of a classmate in AZ. Neither of us knew this until we looked at her family Bible on a visit to AZ. She was one of my favorite classmates, so I was not unhappy! Do you have these people? "WellBeloved" - I could handle this!! Thanks, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith F. Russell Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:53 AM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com; sc-horns-creek-baptist@rootsweb.com; MAYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] William Mays m. Ann Walker, 1812, Edgefield SC I have just posted a 12 page report of the descendants of William Mays and Ann Walker who married in Edgefield SC in 1812. William Baker Mays was the son of Stephen Mays and Frances WellBeloved Pegram of Virginia. Ann Walker was the daughter of Samuel Walker and Martha Jefferson Bell of Edgefield SC. The genealogy report is at http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/william-baker-mays-edgefield-sc for you to view, download, or print. Additions or corrections are welcome: jrussell2@charter.net Judy Russell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Thanks so much to those who have supported the efforts of Miss Clarice > Wise and others to preserve and protect the Burial Ground at the Horn's > Creek Church, Old Stage Road, in Edgefield SC! > > There are details of the project's efforts at: > > http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/2010-horns-creek-assessment > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > Judy Russell

I have just posted a 12 page report of the descendants of William Mays and Ann Walker who married in Edgefield SC in 1812. William Baker Mays was the son of Stephen Mays and Frances WellBeloved Pegram of Virginia. Ann Walker was the daughter of Samuel Walker and Martha Jefferson Bell of Edgefield SC. The genealogy report is at http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/william-baker-mays-edgefield-sc for you to view, download, or print. Additions or corrections are welcome: jrussell2@charter.net Judy Russell

    To Judy Russell and the rest of the Bush River Quakers.   If you have ancestral sources whose trail passes through NY, NJ, or PA here is a list of 12,600 marriage licenses issued from the 1600s to 1797 where at least one of the parties had residence or family connection to NJ.  I have gone through the entire list and my estimate is the it covers about 10% of the actual marriages of that period.  Where the rest are is up to conjecture but my take on it is they were tossed due to decomposition or the British burned them during the Rev. War, as they were wont to do.  Whatever - you may have families that are covered in this collection from:  1   The Archives, State of New Jersey, First Series, Marriage Licenses Issued by New Jersey 1663 - 1797  2   History of the State of New Jersey, Vol. XXII  1665 - 1800       William Nelson, Patterson, NJ 1900 Have a good time.     Dave Gauntt www.ancestralcurios.com/cgi-bin/FileShow.pl?zipfile=NJ_license_marr.zip

Here's a Cemetery link for the Chapman Summers Cemetery in Prosperity SC with Rev Elijah Lynch http://www.fdu.com/family/chapmansummerscem.htm Also, a link for the whole family: http://www.fdu.com/family/ Thanks to Harriet Imrey for the info.

Some good info and corrections for all of us, especially those who have copies of "Historic Bush River Quaker Cemetery" book. Thank you, Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Arnold To: jrussell2@charter.net Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: RE: Bush River Quaker families Arnold/Embree/Lynch Judy, I have a surprise for you. A correction to your book pages 89 and 90. I found The Rev Elijah and Elizabeth Lynch. They are about 2 miles east as the crow flies at the Dunker cemetery. I have pictures of their head stones that I will forward to you shortly. The pictures were taken by me today on my Black berry. I am waiting for the pictures to arrive to my AOL from my BB transmission, then I will forward them to you. Best regards, Jim

My North Carolina Quaker family, Jacob Elliott's children, moved first to eastern TN----Lost Creek MM .....but then moved on to Indiana and Ohio by the time our Bush River Quakers were making that move. I might not have ever known that except that my Abraham Elliott's daughter, Rachel says in > > Rachel Elliott Elmore on the 1850 and 1860 census records puts her > place of birth as Tennessee. She was born in 1802. After that I looked and most of Jacob's family moved to TN on their way to Ohio and Indiana. marsha moses On Dec 31, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Harriet Imrey wrote: > > The region of eastern TN (first considered western NC) had a > definite early > Quaker presence, and retained/retains a Quaker influence. Two of > the three > earliest meetings are still active. Only a few of the Bush River > people > went there.

Monisa, I did a great deal of Thomas research until last year when I found out that my 5-gr-grandmother Sarah McKinsey had maiden name of Moore NOT Thomas.....I still have a data base for some of the Thomas family. For the daughter of Isaac and Mary Davey Thomas named Mary I have the following: > I am guessing that Jacob Wisener is the husband to Mary as he and > Mary are witnesses to the will of Isaac Thomas and for Mary's notes I have: > I think Mary is named in her father’s will as Mary Weisner You probably already had this Thomas information....but I thought that I would send it along just in case. marsha moses On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Monisa Wisener wrote: > > Hello, I just read this about the Bush River families moving to > Ohio and Indiana. Isaac Thomas's large family mostly came to > Montgomery Co, OH. His dau Mary who married Jacob Wisener, dau > Elizabeth marr. a Cox, and most of the married sons can be accounted > for. I have not branched out to search all of them, but several > descendants are here in Randolph Co,IN. Also Coats and Mendenhall > etc. Last year I finally received a family Bible of Jacob and Mary, > it says they left some little girls buried in SC. before they left > to move to Ohio. Names all their children, with dates etc. Now, if > only someone could find Jacob's father!! Monisa Wisener >

Dear Grace Gifford, My wife Beverly is a Gifford. We are interested in her genealogy which traces back With a couple of uncertainties, to William Gifford born about 1615 in England and died 27 Dec 1687 Sandwich, Barnstable County, Massachusetts. Her branch, (Freeman Gifford b. Nov 1805 in Monmouth County, New Jersey) came from New Jersey to Illinois. Some of the other Giffords went south. We are interested in what you may have regarding the Gifford ancestry that you might have. Sincerely, James Peacock peacock39@comcast.net --------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brfherb@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:47 AM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Cc: beth@the_eddys.com; henderj@coastal.edu Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] 4 column brochure: Bush River [SC] Quaker Burial Ground Looking forward to the Palmetto Friends Gathering, a get together of Quakers from around South Carolina which is scheduled for March 25-27 at Look Up Lodge at Traveler's Rest. Info at www.palmettofriendsgathering.org This is a very informal group and any interested in coming for the weekend, a day, or just Sunday worship are welcome. The theme is the six queries on Global Change from Friends World Committee on Consultation. Please note there are registration materials on the website. Hope to have some copies of the brochure, and the Bush River book as well- I'm wondering if it's available through QuakerBooks- if not it should be and I will check on this. Very exciting! Grace Gifford Clerk, Five Rivers Friends MM Conway SC cc: Beth Eddy, Registrar Jim Henderson, 2011 PFG Clerk -----Original Message----- From: Judith F. Russell <jrussell2@charter.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com; quaker-roots@rootsweb.com; Pearson Descendant Discussion List <Pearson@ohgenweb.net>; SCNEWBER-L@rootsweb.com; calebgilbert@yahoogroups.com; hollingsworth@rootsweb.com; sc-horns-creek-baptist@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:11 pm Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] 4 column brochure: Bush River [SC] Quaker Burial Ground The "Friends of the Bush River Quakers" are creating a 4 column brochure for distribution in a realtor's-type box at the Bush River [SC] Quaker Burial Ground. Also other places...give me suggestions! Here below, through the posterous blog site, are the links to the inside and outside prints of the brochure. The pages are meant to be printed out, legal size, on the front and back of the same sheet. Fold in half and then fold the edges inward to the center. Voila! Outside: http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/bush-river-flyer-outside Inside: http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/bush-river-flyer-inside I welcome your comments and suggestions (soon, please) before we have some hard copies printed. Best wishes for the New Year! Judy Russell Bush River photos: https://sites.google.com/site/bushriverquakersorg/ www.bushriverquakers.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking forward to the Palmetto Friends Gathering, a get together of Quakers from around South Carolina which is scheduled for March 25-27 at Look Up Lodge at Traveler's Rest. Info at www.palmettofriendsgathering.org This is a very informal group and any interested in coming for the weekend, a day, or just Sunday worship are welcome. The theme is the six queries on Global Change from Friends World Committee on Consultation. Please note there are registration materials on the website. Hope to have some copies of the brochure, and the Bush River book as well- I'm wondering if it's available through QuakerBooks- if not it should be and I will check on this. Very exciting! Grace Gifford Clerk, Five Rivers Friends MM Conway SC cc: Beth Eddy, Registrar Jim Henderson, 2011 PFG Clerk -----Original Message----- From: Judith F. Russell <jrussell2@charter.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com; quaker-roots@rootsweb.com; Pearson Descendant Discussion List <Pearson@ohgenweb.net>; SCNEWBER-L@rootsweb.com; calebgilbert@yahoogroups.com; hollingsworth@rootsweb.com; sc-horns-creek-baptist@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 4:11 pm Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] 4 column brochure: Bush River [SC] Quaker Burial Ground The "Friends of the Bush River Quakers" are creating a 4 column brochure for distribution in a realtor's-type box at the Bush River [SC] Quaker Burial Ground. Also other places...give me suggestions! Here below, through the posterous blog site, are the links to the inside and outside prints of the brochure. The pages are meant to be printed out, legal size, on the front and back of the same sheet. Fold in half and then fold the edges inward to the center. Voila! Outside: http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/bush-river-flyer-outside Inside: http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/bush-river-flyer-inside I welcome your comments and suggestions (soon, please) before we have some hard copies printed. Best wishes for the New Year! Judy Russell Bush River photos: https://sites.google.com/site/bushriverquakersorg/ www.bushriverquakers.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that all of the opinions expressed about the direction(s) of Quaker migrations are correct. As usual, everything depends on how one defines regions and how one defines Quakers. The term "Old Northwest" includes OH, IN and IL (plus areas to the north): those regions where most members of southern Quaker families (whether active or inactive in MM's) went around the turn of the 19th century. The term "Old Southwest" includes everything west of the Ocmulgee River in mid-GA, south of the Tennessee River, and east of the Mississippi. I'm pretty sure that the Old Southwest included no officially-recognized meetings, but descendants of Quaker families were among the large number of settlers who headed that way. The region of eastern TN (first considered western NC) had a definite early Quaker presence, and retained/retains a Quaker influence. Two of the three earliest meetings are still active. Only a few of the Bush River people went there. Aaron Coppock was an early member of Nolichucky/New Hope MM from 1796, but headed up to Miami Co OH in 1818. East TN kept its regional differences during the years leading up to the Civil War. It had been organized as the State of Franklin in 1784, but never gained separate admission to the Union. Residents of east TN strongly opposed Secession, and its representatives promised to secede from the state of TN if the state seceded. The state did so, then told east TN that it could not secede too. The political theory behind that distinction escapes me. The decision at the state level did not convince the East Tennesseeans about which side they should fight for or support. The support of east TN Friends included the continuation of their stations of the Underground Railroad. Harriet Imrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monisa Wisener" <monisawisener@hotmail.com> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brochure Hello, I just read this about the Bush River families moving to Ohio and Indiana. Isaac Thomas's large family mostly came to Montgomery Co, OH. His dau Mary who married Jacob Wisener, dau Elizabeth marr. a Cox, and most of the married sons can be accounted for. I have not branched out to search all of them, but several descendants are here in Randolph Co,IN. Also Coats and Mendenhall etc. Last year I finally received a family Bible of Jacob and Mary, it says they left some little girls buried in SC. before they left to move to Ohio. Names all their children, with dates etc. Now, if only someone could find Jacob's father!! Monisa Wisener From: jrussell2@charter.net To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:09:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brochure thanks for the input, as always! My families definitely moved due west, to AL. But others, of course, moved as you said north west. I can add a bit about that. This is the same copy that has been in our other brochure for years, wish someone had pointed it out sooner. I'll be glad to make the correction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marsha moses" <mosesm@earthlink.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brochure I think that it looks great, Judy. the only very small thing that I might change---and others might not agree---is that the Quakers in the first decade of the 1800's didn't really move west.....I am not familiar with the families who moved south...or if there were a few who moved to TN....but most of the families that I am familiar with moved northwest to the non-slave states of Ohio and Indiana with the mass exodus of the Quaker families out of the south in the first decade of the 1800's. I am not sure that it is worth changing.....but since you asked for input, I thought that I would make that statement. marsha On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Judith F. Russell wrote: The "Friends of the Bush River Quakers" are creating a 4 column brochure for distribution in a realtor's-type box at the Bush River [SC] Quaker Burial Ground. Also other places...give me suggestions! Here below, through the posterous blog site, are the links to the inside and outside prints of the brochure.

Hello, I just read this about the Bush River families moving to Ohio and Indiana. Isaac Thomas's large family mostly came to Montgomery Co, OH. His dau Mary who married Jacob Wisener, dau Elizabeth marr. a Cox, and most of the married sons can be accounted for. I have not branched out to search all of them, but several descendants are here in Randolph Co,IN. Also Coats and Mendenhall etc. Last year I finally received a family Bible of Jacob and Mary, it says they left some little girls buried in SC. before they left to move to Ohio. Names all their children, with dates etc. Now, if only someone could find Jacob's father!! Monisa Wisener > From: jrussell2@charter.net > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:09:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brochure > > thanks for the input, as always! > > My families definitely moved due west, to AL. But others, of course, moved > as you said north west. I can add a bit about that. > > This is the same copy that has been in our other brochure for years, wish > someone had pointed it out sooner. I'll be glad to make the correction. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marsha moses" <mosesm@earthlink.net> > To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:03 PM > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brochure > > > >I think that it looks great, Judy. the only very small thing that I > > might change---and others might not agree---is that the Quakers in the > > first decade of the 1800's didn't really move west.....I am not > > familiar with the families who moved south...or if there were a few > > who moved to TN....but most of the families that I am familiar with > > moved northwest to the non-slave states of Ohio and Indiana with the > > mass exodus of the Quaker families out of the south in the first > > decade of the 1800's. I am not sure that it is worth changing.....but > > since you asked for input, I thought that I would make that > > statement. marsha > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Judith F. Russell wrote: > > > >> The "Friends of the Bush River Quakers" are creating a 4 column > >> brochure for > >> distribution in a realtor's-type box at the Bush River [SC] Quaker > >> Burial > >> Ground. Also other places...give me suggestions! Here below, through > >> the > >> posterous blog site, are the links to the inside and outside prints > >> of the > >> brochure. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just because several folks have asked...be sure and click on *both* of the askgrannyus web links, since the Bush River Burial Ground MAP is on the INSIDE of the brochure. Also...you can enlarge the pages for viewing by clicking on FULLSCREEN, then when viewing in Fullscreen, look to the lower left and click on the Magnifying Glass icon. thank you, JudyR > > *********************************************************************8 >> >> The pages are meant to be printed out, legal size, on the front and back >> of the same sheet. Fold in half and then fold the edges inward to the >> center. Voila! >> >> Outside: http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/bush-river-flyer-outside >> >> ************Inside: >> http://askgrannyus.posterous.com/bush-river-flyer-inside >> >> I welcome your comments and suggestions (soon, please) before we have >> some >> hard copies printed. >> >> Best wishes for the New Year! >> >> Judy Russell >> >> Bush River photos: https://sites.google.com/site/bushriverquakersorg/ >> www.bushriverquakers.org >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calebgilbert/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calebgilbert/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > calebgilbert-digest@yahoogroups.com > calebgilbert-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > calebgilbert-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Hi: the connected families of Edmundson, Gilbert, and (maybe?) Bobo went to Limestone County AL and Giles County TN. They didn't remain Quakers. I'm doing this note from memory,,,I can get details later on my home computer. Judy R ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Brown" <jwbrown1960@yahoo.com> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brochure Since I'm in Alabama, I'm curious what part of Alabama your families came to, and the family names. quotes in the subject and the body of the message