If anyone needs info. on SION HALL, who had a son ENOCH HALL, I have a little bit about them. Sion Hall migrated into south GA from SC abt.1820. The SION & ENOCH HALL families lived near the Thomas Co.,GA town of Morven. Coming from SC they had 'won' GA lottery land. The Halls owned a country store & inn just across the road from their farming property. It became locally 'famous' as the 'last stop' before reaching Thomasville, where judges & lawyers gathered for the circuit court routinely held there every few months. Several years ago I went with a friend to find SION HALL's grave. The HALL family graves & stones are in a small, fairly well kept cemetery close by the Miller's Bridge area, abt.15-20 miles east of Thomasville,GA. Below is an interesting excerpt from a famous south GA author concerning the Thomasville area. It includes the HALLS & other families who were early white settlers in the area. Enjoy, Martha ;) --------------------------------------------------------- "THE OLD COFFEE ROAD" (South GA abt.1820) -- by Ed Cone The (Old) Coffee Road route, over which early settlers traveled, has a certain appeal to their descendants, other researchers & historians. These settlers traveled in wagons, two wheeled carts, or walked very long distances; sleeping beneath their vehicles, living off a land that produced wild berries, poke salad, swamp cabbage, wild persimmon, etc. They also depended on the forests & streams for their meat. Squirrels, rabbits, opossum, turkey, dove, quail, fish & turtles, were often available. They traveled with everything they owned in one wagon or cart. Their animals: horses, mules, Oxen, cows, hogs, goats, sheep and chickens were brought along as well. Traveling was very slow - maybe they would make 10-15 miles/day over good ground, in good weather. Other times they were completely halted for days at a time due to swollen, flooded streams, or muddy roads. Severe heat & cold were their enemies; and severe illnesses & death would take their toll. There were no bridges; streams were forded or the grownups swam. Children & older folks rode in the wagons, which often floated away in a fast river current. They buried their dead in graves beside the road never to be seen again. Death, an accepted danger, was at every turn. They had no mail from home, only the comfort of relatives & friends who accompanied them. Everyone learned to work & play together; and they strove to remain true to their religious beliefs. At the end of their journey came the problems of constructing living quarters with crude tools, digging wells, clearing land, planting crops, fighting Indians, bearing children, worshipping God and burying their dead. In the warm weather months bodies were most always buried the day of, or the day after, death. Embalming was unheard of and in hot weather a person who had died late at night or very early in the morning would be buried the same day. Friends & relatives who lived over 10 miles away would probably miss the funeral. By the time they received word of the death, then traveled to the home of the dead, the funeral would be over. There were few opportunities for social events. Funerals & wakes had a certain social value. People would also gather for "Log Rollings", "House Raisings","Peanut Shellings", "Corn Shuckings", "Candy Pullings", "Camp Meetings", "Gander Pullings", "Hoe Downs" and circuit court seessions. Court was one of the main social events of the time. People would travel long distances to attend hearings. A death sentence and a "hanging" would bring visitors from considerable distances ! -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:01 AM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 19 Today's Topics: Re: Duncan, Hall and Dickson

I'm not sure that this will be helpful to DUNCAN researchers here, but there are many DUNCAN names in the SULLIVAN families in western TN & KY. I didn't do the initial research but a cousin gave me a few names some years ago. The info. mostly dates from 1845 til abt.1900 in Williamson & Dickson Co, TN; and in Fulton & Hickman Co, KY. Descendats of the original settlers often migrated to the Paragould, AR area. There aren't many names - Margaret Duncan mar. Andrew Culbertson IV; Minnie Bell Duncan mar. Walter Grey Sullivan; Sarah Duncan mar. Wm. Lyon III. This is all the Duncan names connected to my line, but perusal of Dickson Co, Tn records might be especially productive for anyone who wants to look. Hope this helps someone, Martha -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 Today's Topics: 1. Duncan, Hall and Dickson (Wendy Neuman McGuire) 2. Re: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 (debiham@comcast.net) 3. DUNCAN surname (Steve Pearson) 4. Re: Duncan, Hall and Dickson (Harriet Imrey) 5. Re: DUNCAN surname (Doris F) 6. Re: Duncan, Hall and Dickson (Winack27@aol.com)

Does any one know anything about James Hall b. c. 1800 in S.C. m. Jane Peaster c 1823. Moved to Texas from Abbeville, S.C. in 1841. He had brothers: William, John, Joseph, Isaac, Samuel, Amos, and George Lucien. He also had sisters: Hannah who m.William Fuller and Nathan Northcutt, and Jane, who married George W. Scott and Nathan Northcutt (after we was widowed when her sister, Hannah died) All of this family left and moved to Texas and Miss. In a message dated 1/22/2012 4:10:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, hhimrey@gmail.com writes: I sympathize with anybody trying to trace the very-common name Hall--that's my maiden name. There are many SCDAH entries re men named James Hall, but none of those apply to the James Hall who married Sarah Duncan. This James (who marked with an H) did not get a land grant in SC. I imagine that he moved down from Frederick Co VA after the SC land office closed in 1773. There were at least 3 James Halls in Newberry, 2 in Edgefield, and 2 in Laurens during the latter 18th century. That H-mark is almost the only way to distinguish them--in addition to the connection with Duncans. I'm pretty sure that the James Hall on the 1779 jury list for "Lower Part of Ninety-Six District Between Broad & Saludy River" is the right one, because he's listed very near Samuel Dunkin (Jr.), among other lower Bush River residents. And he witnessed a deed for mother-in-law Sarah Duncan that year. Jurors were necessarily property-owners. I don't know what he owned by 1779, other than that it wasn't a grant. The earliest purchase I can locate for him is dated 4 Feb 1781, a tract of 125 acres on Beaver Dam Creek of Bush River, granted to Elijah Teague and sold to Robert Gilliam, who sold it to James Hall. James and Sarah Hall sold it to John Furnas on 6 Jan 1795. The estimated dates for the children of William Hall (1698-1764) and Hannah Richardson (1710- 1784(?)) are all over the map. They married in Chester Co PA on 23 Apr 1731; William's will was signed in Frederick Co VA on 21 Oct 1764. William Hall Jr. was the oldest son--he said so in a series of 1797 deeds, after moving to Newberry Co SC. The James Hall who was the son of William and Hannah Richardson Hall sold his Frederick Co VA inheritance to his brother Joseph in 1765, and reportedly moved to Newberry Co SC after that. May have been a decade or so later, for all the tracks he left. Some researchers say that "this James" died in Newberry Co before 1791; another James Hall (with wife Margaret) died in Newberry in 1798. And one James Hall, son of a William of Frederick Co VA, apparently died in Frederick Co as well. There were at least 2 Williams Halls with sons named James in Frederick (a large county), and Halls other than the William Halls had sons named James there as well. There is a clear paper trail for oldest-son William Hall (Jr.), because his Newberry documents identify his origin as Frederick Co VA, his parents as William and Hannah Hall, and his deceased brother (in 1797) as Joseph Hall. The James Hall who married Sarah Duncan did not give us details about his ancestry, but Frederick Co VA was adjacent to Fairfax/Loudoun, so it's at least plausible that they met and married in VA, headed for SC to join her family later. Harriet Imrey On 1/22/2012 12:49 PM, Wendy Neuman McGuire wrote: Does anyone have James Hall and Hannah Richardson and their son James Hall (who married Sarah Duncan)? In the SCDAH there are many James Halls records and I don't have enough information about James Hall Sr. to figure out which land records belong to this particular family. Another family line - Nicholas Dickson petitioned for a land plat on 2 Aug 1767. On 1 Mar 1768 there was a royal grant from King George III and on 27 Jul 1768 there was a record of a memorial for the same land. The question - What might have been the circumstance to receive the royal grant in response after a land plat was petitioned? Is there a record of Nicholas' death date and perhaps Will? I have his widow Margaret's land plats beginning 29 Oct 1772 and her Will executed 15 April 1824 and proven 30 Jan 1826 leading to the conclusion that Nicholas died before Oct 29 1772. I am interested in this family because their youngest son Robert married Mary Elizabeth Hall, daughter of James Hall and Sarah Duncan. Thanks! Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 1/22/2012 4:10:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, hhimrey@gmail.com writes: I sympathize with anybody trying to trace the very-common name Hall--that's my maiden name. There are many SCDAH entries re men named James Hall, but none of those apply to the James Hall who married Sarah Duncan. This James (who marked with an H) did not get a land grant in SC. I imagine that he moved down from Frederick Co VA after the SC land office closed in 1773. There were at least 3 James Halls in Newberry, 2 in Edgefield, and 2 in Laurens during the latter 18th century. That H-mark is almost the only way to distinguish them--in addition to the connection with Duncans. I'm pretty sure that the James Hall on the 1779 jury list for "Lower Part of Ninety-Six District Between Broad & Saludy River" is the right one, because he's listed very near Samuel Dunkin (Jr.), among other lower Bush River residents. And he witnessed a deed for mother-in-law Sarah Duncan that year. Jurors were necessarily property-owners. I don't know what he owned by 1779, other than that it wasn't a grant. The earliest purchase I can locate for him is dated 4 Feb 1781, a tract of 125 acres on Beaver Dam Creek of Bush River, granted to Elijah Teague and sold to Robert Gilliam, who sold it to James Hall. James and Sarah Hall sold it to John Furnas on 6 Jan 1795. The estimated dates for the children of William Hall (1698-1764) and Hannah Richardson (1710- 1784(?)) are all over the map. They married in Chester Co PA on 23 Apr 1731; William's will was signed in Frederick Co VA on 21 Oct 1764. William Hall Jr. was the oldest son--he said so in a series of 1797 deeds, after moving to Newberry Co SC. The James Hall who was the son of William and Hannah Richardson Hall sold his Frederick Co VA inheritance to his brother Joseph in 1765, and reportedly moved to Newberry Co SC after that. May have been a decade or so later, for all the tracks he left. Some researchers say that "this James" died in Newberry Co before 1791; another James Hall (with wife Margaret) died in Newberry in 1798. And one James Hall, son of a William of Frederick Co VA, apparently died in Frederick Co as well. There were at least 2 Williams Halls with sons named James in Frederick (a large county), and Halls other than the William Halls had sons named James there as well. There is a clear paper trail for oldest-son William Hall (Jr.), because his Newberry documents identify his origin as Frederick Co VA, his parents as William and Hannah Hall, and his deceased brother (in 1797) as Joseph Hall. The James Hall who married Sarah Duncan did not give us details about his ancestry, but Frederick Co VA was adjacent to Fairfax/Loudoun, so it's at least plausible that they met and married in VA, headed for SC to join her family later. Harriet Imrey On 1/22/2012 12:49 PM, Wendy Neuman McGuire wrote: Does anyone have James Hall and Hannah Richardson and their son James Hall (who married Sarah Duncan)? In the SCDAH there are many James Halls records and I don't have enough information about James Hall Sr. to figure out which land records belong to this particular family. Another family line - Nicholas Dickson petitioned for a land plat on 2 Aug 1767. On 1 Mar 1768 there was a royal grant from King George III and on 27 Jul 1768 there was a record of a memorial for the same land. The question - What might have been the circumstance to receive the royal grant in response after a land plat was petitioned? Is there a record of Nicholas' death date and perhaps Will? I have his widow Margaret's land plats beginning 29 Oct 1772 and her Will executed 15 April 1824 and proven 30 Jan 1826 leading to the conclusion that Nicholas died before Oct 29 1772. I am interested in this family because their youngest son Robert married Mary Elizabeth Hall, daughter of James Hall and Sarah Duncan. Thanks! Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow! That could be significant. There is much confusion about the John C. Hooker b 1810 MD line. No one seems to agree on the mother of his children. Birth certificates of children say the name of his last wife (Rachel Green or Rachel Pearce.) Others say it was Mathe McPherson, most likely an early wife since the last wife Rachel is buried alongside him in TN and was much younger. Somewhere in old records, one of the Duncan descendants mentioned a Pearson/Pierson connection, but no one has ever discovered what it might be.... John C Hooker's son was John Willis Hooker who married Lettice Duncan/Dunkin, daughter of Robert Paul Duncan b 1815 VA who in NC married Adeline Whitaker, daughter of Sen. James Whitaker of NC (Quaker). I'll study my notes to see if there are other connections to the material Mr. Pearson posted here. As yet, I have not gotten my TN folks into SC except through the Byerley/Bierly line on another part of the tree that married into the Moore family in Abbeville before moving to TN by 1820's. Doris -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pearson Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:58 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] DUNCAN surname With all the Duncan information and questions, I have been thinking about posting this but kept putting it off due to time constraints and thoughts that it really probably won't help anyone that much researching Duncans but today I have decided to post it anyway. At the least someone may find it interesting. My Joseph Pearson, born 1774 in Newberry SC son of Benjamin and Margaret Evans Pearson migrated up to Ohio in 1808, with wife Margaret Cammack and children, settling in northern Butler Twp. Montgomery Co. I have found what I believe is a deed of sale of land to a William Duncan as buyer from my Joseph Pearson as sellor. It is dated Feb 13, 1808, so I've figured it was Joseph selling his land in Newberry prior to his migration north. I had been working on transcribing it and got about half way through and put it aside about a year ago and have yet to finish it. If anyone is interested in it's contents feel free to ask. Steve Pearson

Hi Marsha...seems like there might be a glimmer of hope! Let us know what you find when you get the original minutes. I didn't even know they were available...I think I'll have to see if any are available for my Warren County Ohio folks (after the big migration from SC!) Happy New Year to all! Debi Ham ----- Original Message ----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-request@rootsweb.com To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:13:08 PM Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Quaker dis mou etc (Joyce Bowman) 2. Re: PROVIDENCE WILLIAMS' CHILDREN (Bren) 3. Henshaw (Doris F) 4. Re: note to Dena (Vince King) 5. Re: Samuel and Sarah Duncan (Harriet Imrey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:19:43 -0500 From: Joyce Bowman <jeobowman@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Quaker dis mou etc To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CALbyLbYnp7o8o+UTkRCzNyk6s0+xOiSEvor7fWm3wGgZHkB5Ew@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Marsha--What that librarian at Guilford told you ("almost never anything in the original that Hinshaw & cohorts did not transcribe") is just not true. Back in the 20's when Hinshaw made the arrangement, with the Meetings directly or with Guilford, I'm not sure, to transcribe the minutes, they agreed, but only on the condition that nothing would be transcribed that could be considered sensitive or derogatory. In my own family, I know of 3 instances where info of interest was in the original minutes, but was not transcribed. A cousin of mine, Gordon Bowles, couldn't understand why 2 of our families were not in the records (Pasquotank mm I assume). When he went back to the original records, he found both families listed, in their entirety but each of those listings were marked thru with a big "X" and had not been transcribed--with no explanation for the marking out! While looking for this, he also found something of interest that we hadn't known to look for. An ancestor of ours at Pasquotank Mtg, Ephraim Overman m. Sarah Belman in 1708. They had 7 children and then he died. In 1734 Sarah Belman Overman re-married--to Nathaniel Martin. Four years later (1738) there is a note "Nathaniel Martin disowned"--with no explanation. My cousin, Gordon, from the original minutes found what had happened. Sarah (Belman) Martin had gone to the Friends' Colony in Opecking, VA to visit her married daughter, and while she was gone, her husband, Nathaniel Martin got the young housekeeper pregnant. Sarah then asked for a permanent transfer of her membership to her daughter's home, which the mtg took a while to consider, since it was unheard of for a woman to transfer her membership without her husband. However, they finally agreed and she did move permanently to her daughter's home. Not in the Meeting records I don't think, but from some other source, I understand Gordon found evidence that Nathaniel Martin had then married the younger woman--though I don't know that Sarah ever officially got a divorce! On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM, marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> wrote: > I just ordered the microfilm of the Cane Creek MM (North Carolina) original minutes. ?I have been told by librarians at Guilford College Hege library that there is almost never anything in the original that Hinshaw and his cohorts did not transcribe....however, "hope spring eternal" .....I decided that I wanted to read for myself what was said when Abigail Moore was dis mou at Cane Creek and also her brother Mordecai Moore (my 6-gr-grandrather) when he was dis for mou. > > While I was on the LDS FHL site, I also ordered > > film #255078 > > ? ?Bush River Monthly Meeting of Friends > Worth, Laura D, Hinshaw, William Wade, 1867-1947, Society of Friends. Bush River Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (Union County, South Carolina), Society of Friends. Piney Grove Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Wrightborough Monthly Meeting (Georgia) > > This title came up when I used Cane Creek as my Keyword in the Beta version of the LDS library. ?It reminds me of how interconnected the MM and areas in NC, SC, and Wrightsboro were in the time period. ?I don't expect to read anything new....but as I said before.....hope spring eternal. ?marsha moses > > >>

With all the Duncan information and questions, I have been thinking about posting this but kept putting it off due to time constraints and thoughts that it really probably won't help anyone that much researching Duncans but today I have decided to post it anyway. At the least someone may find it interesting. My Joseph Pearson, born 1774 in Newberry SC son of Benjamin and Margaret Evans Pearson migrated up to Ohio in 1808, with wife Margaret Cammack and children, settling in northern Butler Twp. Montgomery Co. I have found what I believe is a deed of sale of land to a William Duncan as buyer from my Joseph Pearson as sellor. It is dated Feb 13, 1808, so I've figured it was Joseph selling his land in Newberry prior to his migration north. I had been working on transcribing it and got about half way through and put it aside about a year ago and have yet to finish it. If anyone is interested in it's contents feel free to ask. Steve Pearson On 1/22/2012 1:49 PM, Wendy Neuman McGuire wrote: > Martha, Sorry that none of the Duncans mentioned are connected to this > Samuel Duncan family. > > Does anyone have James Hall and Hannah Richardson and their son James Hall > (who married Sarah Duncan)? In the SCDAH there are many James Halls records > and I don't have enough information about James Hall Sr. to figure out > which land records belong to this particular family. > > Another family line - Nicholas Dickson petitioned for a land plat on 2 Aug > 1767. On 1 Mar 1768 there was a royal grant from King George III and on 27 > Jul 1768 there was a record of a memorial for the same land. The question - > What might have been the circumstance to receive the royal grant in > response after a land plat was petitioned? > > Is there a record of Nicholas' death date and perhaps Will? I have his > widow Margaret's land plats beginning 29 Oct 1772 and her Will executed 15 > April 1824 and proven 30 Jan 1826 leading to the conclusion that Nicholas > died before Oct 29 1772. I am interested in this family because their > youngest son Robert married Mary Elizabeth Hall, daughter of James Hall and > Sarah Duncan. > > Thanks! > Wendy > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:30:39 -0600 > From: "Martha"<dixiepeanut@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] DUNCAN > To:<sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:< > CF18AD2DB5554B2A8C509321D4242096@fourfdc6d4e8a6> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Wendy, > > Below are the only DUNCAN names I have in my gedcom (3). > They all connect to my VA,NC& SC families. IDK which, > if any, of them might be in yours : > > 1. Margaret Duncan mar. Andrew Culbertson,IV (1747-April,1775,PA) > > 2. Minnie B. Duncan (b.TN) mar. Walter Grey Sullivan, (d.1948, Paragould, > Green Co,AR) > > 3. Sarah Duncan mar. Wm. Lyon,III (June 1646,Roxbury,MA-1714,VA) > > Hope this helps, > Martha > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sympathize with anybody trying to trace the very-common name Hall--that's my maiden name. There are many SCDAH entries re men named James Hall, but none of those apply to the James Hall who married Sarah Duncan. This James (who marked with an H) did not get a land grant in SC. I imagine that he moved down from Frederick Co VA after the SC land office closed in 1773. There were at least 3 James Halls in Newberry, 2 in Edgefield, and 2 in Laurens during the latter 18th century. That H-mark is almost the only way to distinguish them--in addition to the connection with Duncans. I'm pretty sure that the James Hall on the 1779 jury list for "Lower Part of Ninety-Six District Between Broad & Saludy River" is the right one, because he's listed very near Samuel Dunkin (Jr.), among other lower Bush River residents. And he witnessed a deed for mother-in-law Sarah Duncan that year. Jurors were necessarily property-owners. I don't know what he owned by 1779, other than that it wasn't a grant. The earliest purchase I can locate for him is dated 4 Feb 1781, a tract of 125 acres on Beaver Dam Creek of Bush River, granted to Elijah Teague and sold to Robert Gilliam, who sold it to James Hall. James and Sarah Hall sold it to John Furnas on 6 Jan 1795. The estimated dates for the children of William Hall (1698-1764) and Hannah Richardson (1710- 1784(?)) are all over the map. They married in Chester Co PA on 23 Apr 1731; William's will was signed in Frederick Co VA on 21 Oct 1764. William Hall Jr. was the oldest son--he said so in a series of 1797 deeds, after moving to Newberry Co SC. The James Hall who was the son of William and Hannah Richardson Hall sold his Frederick Co VA inheritance to his brother Joseph in 1765, and reportedly moved to Newberry Co SC after that. May have been a decade or so later, for all the tracks he left. Some researchers say that "this James" died in Newberry Co before 1791; another James Hall (with wife Margaret) died in Newberry in 1798. And one James Hall, son of a William of Frederick Co VA, apparently died in Frederick Co as well. There were at least 2 Williams Halls with sons named James in Frederick (a large county), and Halls other than the William Halls had sons named James there as well. There is a clear paper trail for oldest-son William Hall (Jr.), because his Newberry documents identify his origin as Frederick Co VA, his parents as William and Hannah Hall, and his deceased brother (in 1797) as Joseph Hall. The James Hall who married Sarah Duncan did not give us details about his ancestry, but Frederick Co VA was adjacent to Fairfax/Loudoun, so it's at least plausible that they met and married in VA, headed for SC to join her family later. Harriet Imrey On 1/22/2012 12:49 PM, Wendy Neuman McGuire wrote: Does anyone have James Hall and Hannah Richardson and their son James Hall (who married Sarah Duncan)? In the SCDAH there are many James Halls records and I don't have enough information about James Hall Sr. to figure out which land records belong to this particular family. Another family line - Nicholas Dickson petitioned for a land plat on 2 Aug 1767. On 1 Mar 1768 there was a royal grant from King George III and on 27 Jul 1768 there was a record of a memorial for the same land. The question - What might have been the circumstance to receive the royal grant in response after a land plat was petitioned? Is there a record of Nicholas' death date and perhaps Will? I have his widow Margaret's land plats beginning 29 Oct 1772 and her Will executed 15 April 1824 and proven 30 Jan 1826 leading to the conclusion that Nicholas died before Oct 29 1772. I am interested in this family because their youngest son Robert married Mary Elizabeth Hall, daughter of James Hall and Sarah Duncan. Thanks! Wendy

Martha, Sorry that none of the Duncans mentioned are connected to this Samuel Duncan family. Does anyone have James Hall and Hannah Richardson and their son James Hall (who married Sarah Duncan)? In the SCDAH there are many James Halls records and I don't have enough information about James Hall Sr. to figure out which land records belong to this particular family. Another family line - Nicholas Dickson petitioned for a land plat on 2 Aug 1767. On 1 Mar 1768 there was a royal grant from King George III and on 27 Jul 1768 there was a record of a memorial for the same land. The question - What might have been the circumstance to receive the royal grant in response after a land plat was petitioned? Is there a record of Nicholas' death date and perhaps Will? I have his widow Margaret's land plats beginning 29 Oct 1772 and her Will executed 15 April 1824 and proven 30 Jan 1826 leading to the conclusion that Nicholas died before Oct 29 1772. I am interested in this family because their youngest son Robert married Mary Elizabeth Hall, daughter of James Hall and Sarah Duncan. Thanks! Wendy Message: 4 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:30:39 -0600 From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] DUNCAN To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: < CF18AD2DB5554B2A8C509321D4242096@fourfdc6d4e8a6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Wendy, Below are the only DUNCAN names I have in my gedcom (3). They all connect to my VA,NC & SC families. IDK which, if any, of them might be in yours : 1. Margaret Duncan mar. Andrew Culbertson,IV (1747-April,1775,PA) 2. Minnie B. Duncan (b.TN) mar. Walter Grey Sullivan, (d.1948, Paragould, Green Co,AR) 3. Sarah Duncan mar. Wm. Lyon,III (June 1646,Roxbury,MA-1714,VA) Hope this helps, Martha

I am on the web ring and see all these names but never a Miles or a Mills and I have information they were there and at least the Miles moved to Ohio. Does anyone in the group follow these families? Kerry Coy Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> wrote: > The death of Samuel Duncan in 1769-70 was related to the fact that Sarah > Duncan filed a Memorial, but in a roundabout way: married women did not > possess property under their own names, but widows could. > > I have no idea how Samuel Duncan came up with enough headrights to claim > 750 acres of land (i.e., head of household with 13 dependents), but > that's how much land was granted, in two separate tracts. The SC > petitions for land were published by Brent H. Holcomb in 7 volumes. The > Samuel Duncan petitions are included in Volume VI: 1766-70. > > 1. Meeting of Tuesday 3 February 1767: The following Petitions for > Warrants of Survey > Samuel Duncan 350 [acres] Waters of Saludy > > The land was surveyed on 17 Feb 1767 on Bush Creek (sic) adjacent to > David Hammer and William Austell [sic: Austin, who had petitioned for > land on the same day with Duncan]. This plat lapsed, with no grant > awarded...at least, not to Samuel Duncan. > > 2. Meeting of Tuesday 7 September 1769: To Certifie Platts > Samuel Dunkin 400 [acres] In Craven County [Surveyd for] Jno Hammers > > John Hammer had 400 acres surveyed on Bush River on 28 Aug 1765, but did > not have the plat certified and granted. Samuel Duncan presented a > petition to have this plat certified in his own name. Even though it > was officially illegal to buy and sell warrants or plats, this practice > was common in the backcountry. Duncan may have paid Hammer the money > spent on the surveyor's fee. Since Hammer did not get the grant, he > still had his 400 acres of headright to use for claiming land in another > location. Duncan had to use his headrights (for himself and 6 > dependents) in order to get the land awarded to himself, rather than to > Hammer. This land was adjacent to William and Mathias Elmore and to > William Hilbourne. It was certified to Samuel Dunkin on 7 Sep 1769, the > date of his petition, and granted on 27 Sep 1769. Samuel Dunkin filed > his Memorial on this tract on 13 Nov 1769. > > 3. Meeting of Wednesday 5 September 1770: To Certify Platts > Sarah Duncan 350 [Berkley County] surveyed for Samuel Duncan > > Sarah was eligible to own land under her own name because she had become > a widow at some point between 13 Nov 1769 (when Samuel filed a Memorial > on the 400-acre grant) and 5 Sep 1770 (when she filed her petition for > certification of the 350-acre plat). The land was granted to her on 19 > Sep 1770, and she filed a Memorial on it on 10 Oct 1770. I'm not > certain how the headright issue was handled in this case. The late > Samuel Duncan had already used his headrights for the other grant. But > widow Sarah was legally a separate head-of-household. Had she > remarried, the same children could be claimed as dependents by a new > husband. Perhaps this applied also to a widowed head-of-household who > had not previously claimed land under her own name. > > When Samuel Duncan died intestate, his property automatically descended > to his oldest surviving son, Amos. The inheritance laws of SC were > changed in 1791, so that primogeniture was abolished. After that date, > the widow inherited 1/3 and the remainder was divided equally among the > sons and daughters. Sarah sold part of her grant in 1779, and the > remainder descended to her son Amos. Since he was the sole > son-and-heir, this means that Sarah died intestate before the law > changed in May 1791. > > Disposition of the grants: > > Newberry Co SC Deed Book C, 306-309: Lease and release. 22 & 23 Jan > 1779, Sarah Duncan of Ninety-Six District, SC, to her son Samuel Duncan, > of same, planter, for £10 SC money, 150 acres on a small branch of Bush > Creek now commonly called Bush River, part of 350 acres granted to said > Sarah Duncan 19 Sept 1770. Sarah Duncan (mark) (Seal). Wit: Enos > Elleman, John Duncan, James Hall (H). Proved in Newberry County by the > oath of James Hall 9 March 1795 before Prov. Williams, J.P. Recorded 9 > June 1795. > > Newberry Deed Book C, 709-713: South Carolina, Ninety Six District. 28 > Aug 1777, Amos Duncan and Elizabeth his wife, planter, of Ninety Six > District, for £187 s10 SC money, to Abner Ellermon of same, planter, 250 > acres on waters of Bush River, part of 400 acres granted to Samuel > Duncan 14 Sept 1769. Amos Dunkin (Seal), Elisabeth Dunkin (Seal). Wit: > Enos Elleman, Stephen Elmore, John Elleman. Proved by the affirmation > of John Elleman 20 Feb 1796 before Elisha Ford, J.P. Recorded 10 May 1796. > > Newberry Deed Book G, 23-26: Lease and release. ____ 1779, Sarah > Duncan of Ninety Six District, planter, for £300, to James Commack, > tract of 100 acres, part of tract containing 350 acres granted to said > Sarah Duncan 19 Dec 1770 in the fork of Broad and Saluda Rivers on a > small branch of Bush Creek adj. William Austin, said Sarah Duncan. > Sarah Duncan (mark). Wit: Samuel Duncan, James Hall, George Pemberton. > Proved by the oath of George Pemberton 15 Aug 1804 before Fed nance > [Frederick Nance]. > > Newberry Deed Book G, 281-282: Amos Dunken of Newberry District for £50 > sterling to Isaac Hollingsworth of same, 112 acres, part of two larger > tracts and whereof being a tract of 200 acres granted to Richard Dunkin > and conveyed by John Dunkin his son and heir to said Richard Dunkin, to > said Amos Dunkin by deed, and part of 350 acres granted to Sarah Dunkin > 19 Sept 1770 and said Amos Dunkin was son and heir to the above > mentioned Sarah Dunkin, land on waters of Bush RIver, 4 July 1803. Amos > Dunkin (Seal), Wit: John Dunkin, John Williams (X), Joseph Turner. > Elizabeth Dunkin (mark), wife of Amos Dunkin, relinquished dower 22 May > 1805 before Benjamin Long, J.U.Q. Proved by the oath of Joseph Turner > 23 May 1805 before Benjamin Long, J.U.Q. Recorded May 1805. > > Harriet Imrey > > On 1/21/2012 10:38 AM, Wendy Neuman McGuire wrote: >> First, thank you Harriet for the detailed and clear explanation of a >> variety of terms which appear in land plat and memorial records. One reason >> for the question was that on 10.10.1770 there was a Memorial entered by >> Samuel Duncan’s wife, Sarah. There also was an earlier land grant entry on >> 9.19.1770 for the same 350 acres on Bush Creek. Since Samuel died c.1770 I >> wondered if the term "memorial" had anything to do with his estate. And now >> from your explanation I realized that "memorial" in this case has nothing >> to do with a deceased land owner’s property. >> >> >> Yet, the description of Sarah's land plat and the subsequent memorial >> document was similar to the earlier land plat record of her husband Samuel >> Duncan in 2.17.1767. Do you think it was possible that that Sarah's documents >> record land transferred to her after her husband's death? I have an >> inventory of Samuel Duncan's estate and chattels but it does not include >> any land. Samuel died in 1770, when Sarah Duncan applied on Nov. 5 to >> administer his estate on Bush River, Craven Co., as his nearest of kin >> (Charleston Co. SC Court of Ordinary 1764-71; Inv. Book Z-137, filed in >> 1771 in Charleston Co. SC.). I have not reviewed this record. >> >> >> >> >> >> Martha, this Samuel Duncan c. 1722-1770 arrived in Bush River sometime >> before 1763 possibly coming from Fairfax co., Virginia where he may have >> appeared in a land purchase in 1748. Later Samuel and Sarah Duncan appeared >> in the land sale in 1766. He was born near Dundee, Scotland. I have only >> seen Samuel's wife’s first name listed as Sarah. Their known children are: >> Sarah Duncan 1743-1835 m. James Hall; Amos Duncan c. 1749 m. Elizabeth >> Pemberton; John Duncan c. 1750; Richard Duncan c. 1751; and Samuel >> Duncan/Dunkin 1751-1832 m. Mary Embree. We are descended through Sarah >> Duncan and James Hall. >> >> >> >> Earlier I had an earlier exchange with Tim Duncan, who you may know from >> this list. He has more Duncan info. He is researching the Duncans of >> Newberry country, South Carolina focusing on the Quaker Duncans, Nelson >> Duncan and Samuel Duncan. I would appreciate any insights and suggestions >> for this family. Hope this is helpful. >> >> >> >> Wendy McGuire >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems to me that these three families mentioned - TEAGUE, WILLIAMS & BROOKS were 'intertwined' in some fashion in MD, NC & SC. When they moved on from SC in the early 1800's to points south, north & west that's when they became so scattered. Today we're having fun putting the jig-saw puzzle of these families back together ! I have WILLIAMS with my TEAGUES in SC - James Teague mar. Elizabeth Williams. Their son John Williams TEAGUE came to Shelby Co, AL along with my TEAGUES & LYONS right around AL statehood in 1819. Even though they lived in close prox- imity in VA, MD & NC, before coming to SC, and they must've known each other there, I have no real knowledge of these Williams bef. SC. You've told me more than I already knew about them & that's great ! Please ck. Info. In the emails I've purposely left open below. Also I have a Graves Co, KY - INMAN-SULLIVAN line that may connect to the BROOKS mentioned here. If you think so, please let me know & I can ck. the sources. MARTHA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:33 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 12 Today's Topics: 4. TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (marsha moses) 5. Re: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (THOMAS BROOKS) 6. Quaker dis mou etc (marsha moses) 7. Re: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (Bren) -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 8:45 AM Martha: The Teagues were around my Williams families in Newberry and also adjacent to some land that Providence Williams, wife Sarah, Joseph Williams, wife Lydia, and Ann Poulson,sold in Cecil Co., MD in 1736 while living in Frederick Co., VA. Edward Teagues' land was called Teagues Delight; (it was) adjacent to High Park. [TEAGUE's DELIGHT... That's right ! - Martha] Tina ------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:32:28 -0500 (EST) From: Bren <bjpass51@aol.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CEA68A8BA56668-1E50-10B49@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Does anyone have all the children and who they married of Providence Williams? Were there Teague or Taylor connections to this family? Thanks, Brenda Pass ------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: THOMAS BROOKS <thomasbrooks1@bellsouth.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:29 am Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Interesting-Our Brooks were living beside Williams in thier census records for many years! End of SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 12 **************************************************

Ricky, The MATHIS connection I have is to a GAUNTT-TEAGUE-MATHIS line in SC. 1. Daniel Mathis (1723,NJ-1764,SC) mar. Sophia Gauntt (1723,MJ-1761,Camden,SC) 2. son Israel Mathis (1746-1788) mar. Susanna Ford 3. son Samuel Mathis (1774-1847) mar. Elizabeth ? (1776-1854) 4. son Israel Mathis (1803-1875) mar. Margaret ? (1802-1863) Their descendant is Jeanne McDaniel of Little Rock, AR Hope this helps, Martha -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:33 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 12 2. Re: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (Richard Reed) ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Wendy, Below are the only DUNCAN names I have in my gedcom (3). They all connect to my VA,NC & SC families. IDK which, if any, of them might be in yours : 1. Margaret Duncan mar. Andrew Culbertson,IV (1747-April,1775,PA) 2. Minnie B. Duncan (b.TN) mar. Walter Grey Sullivan, (d.1948, Paragould, Green Co,AR) 3. Sarah Duncan mar. Wm. Lyon,III (June 1646,Roxbury,MA-1714,VA) Hope this helps, Martha -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sc-bushriverquakers-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:33 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 12 "PLEASE NOTE: When replying to a digest message, please quote *only the specific portion* of message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to *change the subject* of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying." Today's Topics: 1. Samuel and Sarah Duncan (Wendy Neuman McGuire) 2. Re: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (Richard Reed) 3. Duncan/Brown/Hart/Pemberton, and more (Doris F) 4. TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (marsha moses) 5. Re: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (THOMAS BROOKS) 6. Quaker dis mou etc (marsha moses) 7. Re: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX (Bren) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:38:26 -0500 From: Wendy Neuman McGuire <wjneuman@gmail.com> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Samuel and Sarah Duncan To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAC60CtStUGn1u1dDKemu-f5ncKGwHC1QacgfTj5XLtSMt85WOg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 First, thank you Harriet for the detailed and clear explanation of a variety of terms which appear in land plat and memorial records. One reason for the question was that on 10.10.1770 there was a Memorial entered by Samuel Duncan?s wife, Sarah. There also was an earlier land grant entry on 9.19.1770 for the same 350 acres on Bush Creek. Since Samuel died c.1770 I wondered if the term "memorial" had anything to do with his estate. And now from your explanation I realized that "memorial" in this case has nothing to do with a deceased land owner?s property. Yet, the description of Sarah's land plat and the subsequent memorial document was similar to the earlier land plat record of her husband Samuel Duncan in 2.17.1767. Do you think it was possible that that Sarah's documents record land transferred to her after her husband's death? I have an inventory of Samuel Duncan's estate and chattels but it does not include any land. Samuel died in 1770, when Sarah Duncan applied on Nov. 5 to administer his estate on Bush River, Craven Co., as his nearest of kin (Charleston Co. SC Court of Ordinary 1764-71; Inv. Book Z-137, filed in 1771 in Charleston Co. SC.). I have not reviewed this record. Martha, this Samuel Duncan c. 1722-1770 arrived in Bush River sometime before 1763 possibly coming from Fairfax co., Virginia where he may have appeared in a land purchase in 1748. Later Samuel and Sarah Duncan appeared in the land sale in 1766. He was born near Dundee, Scotland. I have only seen Samuel's wife?s first name listed as Sarah. Their known children are: Sarah Duncan 1743-1835 m. James Hall; Amos Duncan c. 1749 m. Elizabeth Pemberton; John Duncan c. 1750; Richard Duncan c. 1751; and Samuel Duncan/Dunkin 1751-1832 m. Mary Embree. We are descended through Sarah Duncan and James Hall. Earlier I had an earlier exchange with Tim Duncan, who you may know from this list. He has more Duncan info. He is researching the Duncans of Newberry country, South Carolina focusing on the Quaker Duncans, Nelson Duncan and Samuel Duncan. I would appreciate any insights and suggestions for this family. Hope this is helpful. Wendy McGuire ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Reed <finder5051@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1327165581.42205.YahooMailClassic@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Martha, ? So far I do not have any Quaker connections in South Carolina that I know about; however, I do have (not for sure) a Mathis connection. There is a William Brown of Kings Creek in Newberry who's wife Sarah is suppose to be a Mathis (some say Mathers, others say Mathews). William and Sarah (Mathis) Brown moved to Graves County, Kentucky sometime after 1830. ? I don't know if you have any information about this Sarah Mathis. I think her family probably came to South Carolina from North Carolina. I don't know?where they came from nor when they moved there; but, I do know that they were in Newberry from 1801 to sometime past 1830. ? Any infromation that you can share would be most appreciated, ? Thanks, ? Rick Reed --- On Tue, 1/17/12, Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> wrote: From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 12:19 AM Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 Subject: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Was wondering if anyone has any of these names that I?m researching in my Quaker family lines in the Newberry &/or Laurens, SC area ?? TEAGUE, GAUNT, MATHIS, MADDOX ? ?Most if not all of them came to SC from Rowan Co, NC and adjoining areas of NC a few years before the Revolution. Thanks, Martha ? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:36:23 -0500 From: "Doris F" <df99md@verizon.net> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Duncan/Brown/Hart/Pemberton, and more To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003101ccd863$326c1dd0$97445970$@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I still do not know if the line of my Robert Paul Duncan b 1815 VA is Quaker. He married in NC Quaker, Adeline Whitaker, and moved to TN, where his granddaughter married the son of Nancy BROWN HART Watkins b 1843 TN. Nancy was daughter of George B. Hart b 1816 TN and wife Ellen Aikin/Akin/Akens/whatever. The line you cited as a Pemberton, an unusual and uncommon name. Maybe this note will prove helpful to someone. Descendants of Daniel Brown, Sr. 1 Daniel BROWN, Sr. Abt. 1660 .. +Susan Ver PLANCK . 2 Daniel BROWN, Jr. Abt. 1688 d: June 1725 Kent CO, DE ..... +Elizabeth PEMBERTON 1688 .... 3 Elizabeth BROWN Abt. 1703 Kent, DE ........ +William MANLOVE 1700 Kent, DE ........ 4 Mark MANLOVE ............ +Margaret Mary HART ........... 5 Margaret MANLOVE 1728 ............... +Paris Perez CHIPMAN 1729 Mayflower Chipman family of Sandwich MA 1751 Camden, Kent DE d: Settled in Guilford CO, NC ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:17:19 -0500 From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8459AA01-9B50-485B-BD45-A86494DDB306@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Martha, do you have reason to believe that your families moved from the NC area because of the Regulation period, the battle of Alamance, and the aftermath of that time period? That is a huge interest are for me right now. My Moore family moved to Wrightsboro, but some of them may have moved to Newberry/Laurens Co area. I think it highly likely that the Thomas family moved in the same time period from Orange County, NC to the Newberry/Laurens County area. I have also looked at some of the families who moved out of NC in that time period who moved into Montgomery County, Va. Are there others on this list whose ancestors fall into this pattern? marsha moses On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:19 AM, Martha wrote: > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 > > Subject: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX > > Was wondering if anyone has any of these names that I?m researching in my > Quaker family lines in the Newberry &/or Laurens, SC area ? TEAGUE, GAUNT, > MATHIS, MADDOX ? Most if not all of them came to SC from Rowan Co, NC and > adjoining areas of NC a few years before the Revolution. > > Thanks, Martha ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: THOMAS BROOKS <thomasbrooks1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1327173607.25197.YahooMailClassic@web180613.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Interesting-Our Brooks were living beside Williams in thier census records for many years! --- On Tue, 1/17/12, Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> wrote: From: Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 8:45 AM Martha: The Teagues were around my Williams families in Newberry and also adjacent to some land that Providence Williams, wife Sarah, Joseph Williams, wife Lydia, and Ann Poulson, sold in Cecil Co., MD in 1736 while living in Frederick Co., VA. Edward Teagues' land was called Teagues Delight adjacent to High Park. Tina -----Original Message----- From: Martha Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:19 AM To: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 Subject: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Was wondering if anyone has any of these names that I?m researching in my Quaker family lines in the Newberry &/or Laurens, SC area? ? TEAGUE, GAUNT, MATHIS, MADDOX ?? Most if not all of them came to SC from Rowan Co, NC and adjoining areas of NC a few years before the Revolution. Thanks, Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:20:21 -0500 From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Quaker dis mou etc To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9923695C-1519-48E0-80DA-233076FBD7D4@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just ordered the microfilm of the Cane Creek MM (North Carolina) original minutes. I have been told by librarians at Guilford College Hege library that there is almost never anything in the original that Hinshaw and his cohorts did not transcribe....however, "hope spring eternal" .....I decided that I wanted to read for myself what was said when Abigail Moore was dis mou at Cane Creek and also her brother Mordecai Moore (my 6-gr-grandrather) when he was dis for mou. While I was on the LDS FHL site, I also ordered film #255078 Bush River Monthly Meeting of Friends Worth, Laura D, Hinshaw, William Wade, 1867-1947, Society of Friends. Bush River Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (Union County, South Carolina), Society of Friends. Piney Grove Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Wrightborough Monthly Meeting (Georgia) This title came up when I used Cane Creek as my Keyword in the Beta version of the LDS library. It reminds me of how interconnected the MM and areas in NC, SC, and Wrightsboro were in the time period. I don't expect to read anything new....but as I said before.....hope spring eternal. marsha moses > I was curious about the nature of those "condemnation" proceedings. > E.g., did they have to grovel and produce tearful apologies for > wrongdoing? That doesn't seem very Quaker-like, since the community was > well aware that human beings are not prone to 100% perfection of > behavior, even when they aspire to it. I looked around until I found a > reference for the exact wording of a letter seeking re-admission. > Search on <"Abraham Woodward" peace Quakers> to locate his biography, > which contains the wording of two letters re condemnation of behavior, > one unsuccessful and the second one successful. It was necessary to > state exactly what one had done in violation of community standards, > i.e., acknowledge one's specific faults, and ask to be received in > fellowship again. A generic "I'm sorry that I messed up" was > insufficient. Nobody expected a promise that "I'll never do anything > wrong again in my whole life," just a statement that you were aware of > the nature of your previous failure to live up to group norms. The > former member did not apologize for the marriage itself, or for > continuing to live with the non-Quaker spouse, just for the fact of > having contracted a marriage by a process "contrary to discipline". Two > currently-active Quakers might also marry contrary to discipline, if > they skipped the announcements at their MM's, or had a J.P. or a > non-Quaker minister conduct the ceremony. Then each would acknowledge > their specific faults to their meeting, and hope for the best. > > Harriet Imrey ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:32:28 -0500 (EST) From: Bren <bjpass51@aol.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CEA68A8BA56668-1E50-10B49@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Does anyone have all the children and who they married of Providence Williams? Were there Teague or Taylor connections to this family? Thanks, Brenda Pass -----Original Message----- From: THOMAS BROOKS <thomasbrooks1@bellsouth.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:29 am Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Interesting-Our Brooks were living beside Williams in thier census records for many years! --- On Tue, 1/17/12, Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> wrote: From: Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 8:45 AM Martha: The Teagues were around my Williams families in Newberry and also adjacent to some land that Providence Williams, wife Sarah, Joseph Williams, wife Lydia, and Ann Poulson, sold in Cecil Co., MD in 1736 while living in Frederick Co., VA. Edward Teagues' land was called Teagues Delight adjacent to High Park. Tina -----Original Message----- From: Martha Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:19 AM To: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 Subject: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Was wondering if anyone has any of these names that I?m researching in my Quaker family lines in the Newberry &/or Laurens, SC area ? TEAGUE, GAUNT, MATHIS, MADDOX ? Most if not all of them came to SC from Rowan Co, NC and adjoining areas of NC a few years before the Revolution. Thanks, Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ End of SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 12 **************************************************

I heard a lecture last year from the head of the publishing company that does some of Hinshaw's records. He was firm that it all was not there. For instance ,the little tidbits from the women are juicy and full of information for genealogists, but that is usually left out. There are numerous other items not in the published works, although I did not keep my notes and cannot recall now. What I took away, however, from this genealogy meeting at which he spoke here in Maryland is that there is much more out there.... Sorry that I cannot be more specific.

Thank you so much. At this time, I don't immediately see any connections with my family, but this info is helpful. Brenda Pass -----Original Message----- From: Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 12:02 pm Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] PROVIDENCE WILLIAMS' CHILDREN -----Original Message----- From: Tina & Bill Swyers Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:58 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Providence Williams (2) married Elizabeth Gary and their children are as follows. I have a copy of Providence's Will. He was very active in the Bush River Baptist Church. There was also a Providence Williams (1) who was married to Sarah and born abt. 1700. His parents were a John and Mary Williams who attended a Quaker marriage in Frederick Co., Maryland 1729 at the Ballenger's. Living in Frederick Co., Maryland were Providence Williams (1), wife Sarah, Joseph Williams, wife Lydia, Ann (prob. Williams) Poulson, husband Richard Poulson. Later in Orange Co., Va where they moved to in 1735/36 mention of brothers, Richard Williams and Remembrance Williams living in Hampshire Co., VA. Providence Williams (1) was in Berkeley Co., SC in 1765 when he had his brother Richard sell his land in Hampshire Co., VA. I would be MOST interested in corresponding with any descendants of either Providence Williams (1) or Providence Williams (2). Tina bswyers@cableone.net John Williams Birth 1776 in Newberry, South Carolina Death 1806 Married Elizabeth Unknown Sarah Williams Birth 1778 in Newberry, South Carolina Death Married Jesse Gary Elizabeth Williams Birth 22 OCT 1780 in Newberry, South Carolina Death 1833 Married Thomas Dalyrmple (Parents were Ann Teague Dalyrmple and George Dalyrmple) Mary Williams Birth 1782 in Newberry, South Carolina Death Married Unknown Gary Patience Williams Birth 1784 in Newberry, South Carolina Death Married Providence McAdams Rebecca Williams Birth Abt 1786 in Newberry Co., SC Death Wft Est 1804-1880 Married Thomas Cole Abigail Williams Birth 1788 in Newberry County, South Carolina Death 1819 in Newberry County, South Carolina Married my GGG Grandfather Josiah Williams, her first cousin. Josiah's parents were Daniel Williams and Cassandra Prather Williams. Stephen Williams Birth 1790 in Newberry, Newberry, South Carolina, United States Death 1803 Obedience Williams Birth 1792 in Newberry, South Carolina Death Equilla Williams Birth 1794 in Newberry, South Carolina Death 1870 in Perry County, Alabama Married George William Sr Hopper Job M Williams Birth 1796 inNewberry. South Carolina Death Married Elizabeth Floyd Tubb James Williams Birth 1798 in Newberry. South Carolina Death Eleanor Williams Birth 1799 in Newberry, South Carolina Death -----Original Message----- From: Bren Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:32 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Does anyone have all the children and who they married of Providence Williams? Were there Teague or Taylor connections to this family? Thanks, Brenda Pass -----Original Message----- From: THOMAS BROOKS <thomasbrooks1@bellsouth.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:29 am Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Interesting-Our Brooks were living beside Williams in thier census records for many years! --- On Tue, 1/17/12, Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> wrote: From: Tina & Bill Swyers <bswyers@cableone.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 8:45 AM Martha: The Teagues were around my Williams families in Newberry and also adjacent to some land that Providence Williams, wife Sarah, Joseph Williams, wife Lydia, and Ann Poulson, sold in Cecil Co., MD in 1736 while living in Frederick Co., VA. Edward Teagues' land was called Teagues Delight adjacent to High Park. Tina -----Original Message----- From: Martha Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:19 AM To: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 Subject: TEAGUE-GAUNT-MATHIS-MADDOX Was wondering if anyone has any of these names that I’m researching in my Quaker family lines in the Newberry &/or Laurens, SC area – TEAGUE, GAUNT, MATHIS, MADDOX ? Most if not all of them came to SC from Rowan Co, NC and adjoining areas of NC a few years before the Revolution. 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Marsha, I agree with Joyce. Example.....Hinshaw entry under the JAY family states: 1790, 6, 26 William [Jay], Jr. dis. Actual record states: “The Preparative [meeting] informs this meeting that William Jay Jr. hath been guilty of fornication…” ....it goes on to state that William would not apologize for his actions and that he was disowned. These kinds of events are significant because during this period, the act of fornication might only came to light with the appearance of a pregnant female. Because the women’s minutes of the Bush River MM are not available for this time period, it is difficult to know if William Jay’s partner was Quaker but it can be assumed that perhaps a child was the end product of this act. While the fate of this “partnership” is unknown, the original record alerts the researcher to the fact that this particular William Jay could have most certainly been married prior to his first recorded marriage in 1806 at the ripe old age 43. Vince King -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Bowman Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:20 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Quaker dis mou etc Marsha--What that librarian at Guilford told you ("almost never anything in the original that Hinshaw & cohorts did not transcribe") is just not true. Back in the 20's when Hinshaw made the arrangement, with the Meetings directly or with Guilford, I'm not sure, to transcribe the minutes, they agreed, but only on the condition that nothing would be transcribed that could be considered sensitive or derogatory. In my own family, I know of 3 instances where info of interest was in the original minutes, but was not transcribed. A cousin of mine, Gordon Bowles, couldn't understand why 2 of our families were not in the records (Pasquotank mm I assume). When he went back to the original records, he found both families listed, in their entirety but each of those listings were marked thru with a big "X" and had not been transcribed--with no explanation for the marking out! While looking for this, he also found something of interest that we hadn't known to look for. An ancestor of ours at Pasquotank Mtg, Ephraim Overman m. Sarah Belman in 1708. They had 7 children and then he died. In 1734 Sarah Belman Overman re-married--to Nathaniel Martin. Four years later (1738) there is a note "Nathaniel Martin disowned"--with no explanation. My cousin, Gordon, from the original minutes found what had happened. Sarah (Belman) Martin had gone to the Friends' Colony in Opecking, VA to visit her married daughter, and while she was gone, her husband, Nathaniel Martin got the young housekeeper pregnant. Sarah then asked for a permanent transfer of her membership to her daughter's home, which the mtg took a while to consider, since it was unheard of for a woman to transfer her membership without her husband. However, they finally agreed and she did move permanently to her daughter's home. Not in the Meeting records I don't think, but from some other source, I understand Gordon found evidence that Nathaniel Martin had then married the younger woman--though I don't know that Sarah ever officially got a divorce! On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM, marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> wrote: > I just ordered the microfilm of the Cane Creek MM (North Carolina) original minutes.  I have been told by librarians at Guilford College Hege library that there is almost never anything in the original that Hinshaw and his cohorts did not transcribe....however, "hope spring eternal" .....I decided that I wanted to read for myself what was said when Abigail Moore was dis mou at Cane Creek and also her brother Mordecai Moore (my 6-gr-grandrather) when he was dis for mou. > > While I was on the LDS FHL site, I also ordered > > film #255078 > >    Bush River Monthly Meeting of Friends > Worth, Laura D, Hinshaw, William Wade, 1867-1947, Society of Friends. Bush River Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (Union County, South Carolina), Society of Friends. Piney Grove Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Wrightborough Monthly Meeting (Georgia) > > This title came up when I used Cane Creek as my Keyword in the Beta version of the LDS library.  It reminds me of how interconnected the MM and areas in NC, SC, and Wrightsboro were in the time period.  I don't expect to read anything new....but as I said before.....hope spring eternal.  marsha moses > > >> I was curious about the nature of those  "condemnation" proceedings. >> E.g., did they have to grovel and  produce tearful apologies for >> wrongdoing?  That doesn't seem very  Quaker-like, since the community was >> well aware that human beings are not  prone to 100% perfection of >> behavior, even when they aspire to it.  I  looked around until I found a >> reference for the exact wording of a letter  seeking re-admission. >> Search on <"Abraham Woodward" peace  Quakers> to locate his biography, >> which contains the wording of two  letters re condemnation of behavior, >> one unsuccessful and the second one  successful.  It was necessary to >> state exactly what one had done in  violation of community standards, >> i.e., acknowledge one's specific faults,  and ask to be received in >> fellowship again.  A generic "I'm sorry  that I messed up" was >> insufficient.  Nobody expected a promise that  "I'll never do anything >> wrong again in my whole life," just a statement  that you were aware of >> the nature of your previous failure to live up to  group norms.  The >> former member did not apologize for the marriage  itself, or for >> continuing to live with the non-Quaker spouse, just for the  fact of >> having contracted a marriage by a process "contrary to  discipline".  Two >> currently-active Quakers might also marry contrary  to discipline, if >> they skipped the announcements at their MM's, or had a  J.P. or a >> non-Quaker minister conduct the ceremony.  Then each would  acknowledge >> their specific faults to their meeting, and hope for the  best. >> >> Harriet Imrey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marsha--What that librarian at Guilford told you ("almost never anything in the original that Hinshaw & cohorts did not transcribe") is just not true. Back in the 20's when Hinshaw made the arrangement, with the Meetings directly or with Guilford, I'm not sure, to transcribe the minutes, they agreed, but only on the condition that nothing would be transcribed that could be considered sensitive or derogatory. In my own family, I know of 3 instances where info of interest was in the original minutes, but was not transcribed. A cousin of mine, Gordon Bowles, couldn't understand why 2 of our families were not in the records (Pasquotank mm I assume). When he went back to the original records, he found both families listed, in their entirety but each of those listings were marked thru with a big "X" and had not been transcribed--with no explanation for the marking out! While looking for this, he also found something of interest that we hadn't known to look for. An ancestor of ours at Pasquotank Mtg, Ephraim Overman m. Sarah Belman in 1708. They had 7 children and then he died. In 1734 Sarah Belman Overman re-married--to Nathaniel Martin. Four years later (1738) there is a note "Nathaniel Martin disowned"--with no explanation. My cousin, Gordon, from the original minutes found what had happened. Sarah (Belman) Martin had gone to the Friends' Colony in Opecking, VA to visit her married daughter, and while she was gone, her husband, Nathaniel Martin got the young housekeeper pregnant. Sarah then asked for a permanent transfer of her membership to her daughter's home, which the mtg took a while to consider, since it was unheard of for a woman to transfer her membership without her husband. However, they finally agreed and she did move permanently to her daughter's home. Not in the Meeting records I don't think, but from some other source, I understand Gordon found evidence that Nathaniel Martin had then married the younger woman--though I don't know that Sarah ever officially got a divorce! On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM, marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> wrote: > I just ordered the microfilm of the Cane Creek MM (North Carolina) original minutes.  I have been told by librarians at Guilford College Hege library that there is almost never anything in the original that Hinshaw and his cohorts did not transcribe....however, "hope spring eternal" .....I decided that I wanted to read for myself what was said when Abigail Moore was dis mou at Cane Creek and also her brother Mordecai Moore (my 6-gr-grandrather) when he was dis for mou. > > While I was on the LDS FHL site, I also ordered > > film #255078 > >    Bush River Monthly Meeting of Friends > Worth, Laura D, Hinshaw, William Wade, 1867-1947, Society of Friends. Bush River Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Cane Creek Monthly Meeting (Union County, South Carolina), Society of Friends. Piney Grove Monthly Meeting (South Carolina), Society of Friends. Wrightborough Monthly Meeting (Georgia) > > This title came up when I used Cane Creek as my Keyword in the Beta version of the LDS library.  It reminds me of how interconnected the MM and areas in NC, SC, and Wrightsboro were in the time period.  I don't expect to read anything new....but as I said before.....hope spring eternal.  marsha moses > > >> I was curious about the nature of those  "condemnation" proceedings. >> E.g., did they have to grovel and  produce tearful apologies for >> wrongdoing?  That doesn't seem very  Quaker-like, since the community was >> well aware that human beings are not  prone to 100% perfection of >> behavior, even when they aspire to it.  I  looked around until I found a >> reference for the exact wording of a letter  seeking re-admission. >> Search on <"Abraham Woodward" peace  Quakers> to locate his biography, >> which contains the wording of two  letters re condemnation of behavior, >> one unsuccessful and the second one  successful.  It was necessary to >> state exactly what one had done in  violation of community standards, >> i.e., acknowledge one's specific faults,  and ask to be received in >> fellowship again.  A generic "I'm sorry  that I messed up" was >> insufficient.  Nobody expected a promise that  "I'll never do anything >> wrong again in my whole life," just a statement  that you were aware of >> the nature of your previous failure to live up to  group norms.  The >> former member did not apologize for the marriage  itself, or for >> continuing to live with the non-Quaker spouse, just for the  fact of >> having contracted a marriage by a process "contrary to  discipline".  Two >> currently-active Quakers might also marry contrary  to discipline, if >> they skipped the announcements at their MM's, or had a  J.P. or a >> non-Quaker minister conduct the ceremony.  Then each would  acknowledge >> their specific faults to their meeting, and hope for the  best. >> >> Harriet Imrey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995

The death of Samuel Duncan in 1769-70 was related to the fact that Sarah Duncan filed a Memorial, but in a roundabout way: married women did not possess property under their own names, but widows could. I have no idea how Samuel Duncan came up with enough headrights to claim 750 acres of land (i.e., head of household with 13 dependents), but that's how much land was granted, in two separate tracts. The SC petitions for land were published by Brent H. Holcomb in 7 volumes. The Samuel Duncan petitions are included in Volume VI: 1766-70. 1. Meeting of Tuesday 3 February 1767: The following Petitions for Warrants of Survey Samuel Duncan 350 [acres] Waters of Saludy The land was surveyed on 17 Feb 1767 on Bush Creek (sic) adjacent to David Hammer and William Austell [sic: Austin, who had petitioned for land on the same day with Duncan]. This plat lapsed, with no grant awarded...at least, not to Samuel Duncan. 2. Meeting of Tuesday 7 September 1769: To Certifie Platts Samuel Dunkin 400 [acres] In Craven County [Surveyd for] Jno Hammers John Hammer had 400 acres surveyed on Bush River on 28 Aug 1765, but did not have the plat certified and granted. Samuel Duncan presented a petition to have this plat certified in his own name. Even though it was officially illegal to buy and sell warrants or plats, this practice was common in the backcountry. Duncan may have paid Hammer the money spent on the surveyor's fee. Since Hammer did not get the grant, he still had his 400 acres of headright to use for claiming land in another location. Duncan had to use his headrights (for himself and 6 dependents) in order to get the land awarded to himself, rather than to Hammer. This land was adjacent to William and Mathias Elmore and to William Hilbourne. It was certified to Samuel Dunkin on 7 Sep 1769, the date of his petition, and granted on 27 Sep 1769. Samuel Dunkin filed his Memorial on this tract on 13 Nov 1769. 3. Meeting of Wednesday 5 September 1770: To Certify Platts Sarah Duncan 350 [Berkley County] surveyed for Samuel Duncan Sarah was eligible to own land under her own name because she had become a widow at some point between 13 Nov 1769 (when Samuel filed a Memorial on the 400-acre grant) and 5 Sep 1770 (when she filed her petition for certification of the 350-acre plat). The land was granted to her on 19 Sep 1770, and she filed a Memorial on it on 10 Oct 1770. I'm not certain how the headright issue was handled in this case. The late Samuel Duncan had already used his headrights for the other grant. But widow Sarah was legally a separate head-of-household. Had she remarried, the same children could be claimed as dependents by a new husband. Perhaps this applied also to a widowed head-of-household who had not previously claimed land under her own name. When Samuel Duncan died intestate, his property automatically descended to his oldest surviving son, Amos. The inheritance laws of SC were changed in 1791, so that primogeniture was abolished. After that date, the widow inherited 1/3 and the remainder was divided equally among the sons and daughters. Sarah sold part of her grant in 1779, and the remainder descended to her son Amos. Since he was the sole son-and-heir, this means that Sarah died intestate before the law changed in May 1791. Disposition of the grants: Newberry Co SC Deed Book C, 306-309: Lease and release. 22 & 23 Jan 1779, Sarah Duncan of Ninety-Six District, SC, to her son Samuel Duncan, of same, planter, for £10 SC money, 150 acres on a small branch of Bush Creek now commonly called Bush River, part of 350 acres granted to said Sarah Duncan 19 Sept 1770. Sarah Duncan (mark) (Seal). Wit: Enos Elleman, John Duncan, James Hall (H). Proved in Newberry County by the oath of James Hall 9 March 1795 before Prov. Williams, J.P. Recorded 9 June 1795. Newberry Deed Book C, 709-713: South Carolina, Ninety Six District. 28 Aug 1777, Amos Duncan and Elizabeth his wife, planter, of Ninety Six District, for £187 s10 SC money, to Abner Ellermon of same, planter, 250 acres on waters of Bush River, part of 400 acres granted to Samuel Duncan 14 Sept 1769. Amos Dunkin (Seal), Elisabeth Dunkin (Seal). Wit: Enos Elleman, Stephen Elmore, John Elleman. Proved by the affirmation of John Elleman 20 Feb 1796 before Elisha Ford, J.P. Recorded 10 May 1796. Newberry Deed Book G, 23-26: Lease and release. ____ 1779, Sarah Duncan of Ninety Six District, planter, for £300, to James Commack, tract of 100 acres, part of tract containing 350 acres granted to said Sarah Duncan 19 Dec 1770 in the fork of Broad and Saluda Rivers on a small branch of Bush Creek adj. William Austin, said Sarah Duncan. Sarah Duncan (mark). Wit: Samuel Duncan, James Hall, George Pemberton. Proved by the oath of George Pemberton 15 Aug 1804 before Fed nance [Frederick Nance]. Newberry Deed Book G, 281-282: Amos Dunken of Newberry District for £50 sterling to Isaac Hollingsworth of same, 112 acres, part of two larger tracts and whereof being a tract of 200 acres granted to Richard Dunkin and conveyed by John Dunkin his son and heir to said Richard Dunkin, to said Amos Dunkin by deed, and part of 350 acres granted to Sarah Dunkin 19 Sept 1770 and said Amos Dunkin was son and heir to the above mentioned Sarah Dunkin, land on waters of Bush RIver, 4 July 1803. Amos Dunkin (Seal), Wit: John Dunkin, John Williams (X), Joseph Turner. Elizabeth Dunkin (mark), wife of Amos Dunkin, relinquished dower 22 May 1805 before Benjamin Long, J.U.Q. Proved by the oath of Joseph Turner 23 May 1805 before Benjamin Long, J.U.Q. Recorded May 1805. Harriet Imrey On 1/21/2012 10:38 AM, Wendy Neuman McGuire wrote: > First, thank you Harriet for the detailed and clear explanation of a > variety of terms which appear in land plat and memorial records. One reason > for the question was that on 10.10.1770 there was a Memorial entered by > Samuel Duncan’s wife, Sarah. There also was an earlier land grant entry on > 9.19.1770 for the same 350 acres on Bush Creek. Since Samuel died c.1770 I > wondered if the term "memorial" had anything to do with his estate. And now > from your explanation I realized that "memorial" in this case has nothing > to do with a deceased land owner’s property. > > > Yet, the description of Sarah's land plat and the subsequent memorial > document was similar to the earlier land plat record of her husband Samuel > Duncan in 2.17.1767. Do you think it was possible that that Sarah's documents > record land transferred to her after her husband's death? I have an > inventory of Samuel Duncan's estate and chattels but it does not include > any land. Samuel died in 1770, when Sarah Duncan applied on Nov. 5 to > administer his estate on Bush River, Craven Co., as his nearest of kin > (Charleston Co. SC Court of Ordinary 1764-71; Inv. Book Z-137, filed in > 1771 in Charleston Co. SC.). I have not reviewed this record. > > > > > > Martha, this Samuel Duncan c. 1722-1770 arrived in Bush River sometime > before 1763 possibly coming from Fairfax co., Virginia where he may have > appeared in a land purchase in 1748. Later Samuel and Sarah Duncan appeared > in the land sale in 1766. He was born near Dundee, Scotland. I have only > seen Samuel's wife’s first name listed as Sarah. Their known children are: > Sarah Duncan 1743-1835 m. James Hall; Amos Duncan c. 1749 m. Elizabeth > Pemberton; John Duncan c. 1750; Richard Duncan c. 1751; and Samuel > Duncan/Dunkin 1751-1832 m. Mary Embree. We are descended through Sarah > Duncan and James Hall. > > > > Earlier I had an earlier exchange with Tim Duncan, who you may know from > this list. He has more Duncan info. He is researching the Duncans of > Newberry country, South Carolina focusing on the Quaker Duncans, Nelson > Duncan and Samuel Duncan. I would appreciate any insights and suggestions > for this family. Hope this is helpful. > > > > Wendy McGuire > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dena, Wonderful job and a wonderful resource that makes it so easy to search. Please add the following Hinshaw entry as it must have slipped through the cracks (and I fully understand how that happens on a massive project) Under the JAY family entries in the Minutes and Marriage section 1788, 8, 30. William and James recrq. Additionally, are you interested in adding limited annotations (maybe in a different color font) for some of those less intuitive entries? Example under the Wright section in the MM section..... 1795, 4,25. Betty recrq. Could be modified to say...... 1795, 4,25. Betty recrq. [Elizabeth 'Betty' Jay who married Thomas Wright] with the bracketed text in a different color font. >From my perspective, these types of annotations would not be needed on many entries....just the less intuitive ones. I have researched the original records at Guilford and have a handful I could submit for the JAY, WRIGHT and MILLS families. On the other hand I would also understand your interest in keeping the document "clean". Thanks so much for doing this. Vince King Past President, Jay Family Association -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doris F Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:10 PM To: 'Dena Whitesell'; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] note to Dena What can I say? These are incredible notes and quite a service for all researchers. Thank you so much. I shall share this with about 30 surname groups to whom I send notes as I find them. Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doris, I descend from a Mordecai Moore. He is my 6-gr-grandfather. His daughter, Sarah, married George McKinsey and lived in Newberry County, SC .....quite close to the Bush River MM location. Mordecai was the son of Richard Moore who married Sarah Jenkins. Richard and Sarah moved their family from PA to Orange County, NC in the mid 1700's. After the Battle of Alamance, they moved with other Quaker families in that area to Wrightsboro, GA. I am unclear at this time if MY Mordecai bought land and/or lived in SC between his residence in Orange County, NC and his residence in Wrightsboro, GA.....However, there is a Mordecai Moore in the SC area in that time period. My Moore family definitely had Quaker connections. I would be happy to help you in any way that I can to sort out the various Moore families....however, I am pretty new to the Moore research and don't have a lot of extra information yet. I do not know if it is a coincidence that the earlier Quaker Moores share the same naming pattern. I will look into the possibility. marsha moses On Jan 21, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Doris F wrote: > > And: > W. T. Moore also makes reference to Mordecai Moore in SC in the 1800s in > connection with his ancestor, James Walker Moore, and associates them with > the Quaker community. An earlier Mordecai Moore is confirmed as the son of > Richard Moore of the Quaker congregation in Shropshire, England. Richard > Moore sent his son to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with two Quakers who were > to train him to be a doctor. Mordecai Moore did become a doctor, and moved > to Annapolis, Anne Arundel Co, MD, along with his mentors, both of whom were > prominent in Maryland leadership at the time. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message