depending on the county and the age of the state (western states are skimpy), there should be pretty extensive records as soon as the "government" started keeping records of who they sold or pensioned land to. I'm not exactly sure why you weren't able to access those states' records, but it may be that they were part of a "territory" when the land was granted - such as Oklahoma (Indian territory). Also, I see where you received a response about the Virginia records. Bev On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Nancy Hansen <nanhan1@verizon.net> wrote: > Bev, > > When I search on Virginia, Tenn & Texas. I only get 1 or 2 counties to > choose from. Is that your experience? > > Nan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beverly > Rampey > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brenda Brazell's request > > To check on where the land for your ancestor may have been, go to the > Bureau > of Land Management, Department of the Interior's website and look for the > state and then for the name. There are worlds of information there. We > have tracked our ancestors' moves across from Virginia to Missouri by the > land purchases they have made. We have also been able to get copies of the > actual purchase agreements which show the various Presidents who were > serving when the purchases were made. It's a great little piece of > American > history. > > Bev Rampey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The land records of the BLM is for federal land grants. Some states such as Texas were state land grants. A portion of some states may contain federal lands and be included in the BLM records. Virginia was a state land grant as were many of the early colonial areas prior to the Revolutionary War and the establishment of the federal government. Poldi On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Vivian <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> wrote: > Virginia land records are available at the Library of Virginia website. > http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F > Many of the original deeds are online > > On 6/12/2012 7:39 PM, Nancy Hansen wrote: > > Bev, > > > > When I search on Virginia, Tenn & Texas. I only get 1 or 2 counties to > > choose from. Is that your experience? > > > > Nan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beverly > > Rampey > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM > > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brenda Brazell's request > > > > To check on where the land for your ancestor may have been, go to the > Bureau > > of Land Management, Department of the Interior's website and look for the > > state and then for the name. There are worlds of information there. We > > have tracked our ancestors' moves across from Virginia to Missouri by the > > land purchases they have made. We have also been able to get copies of > the > > actual purchase agreements which show the various Presidents who were > > serving when the purchases were made. It's a great little piece of > American > > history. > > > > Bev Rampey > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "She is insane, of course. The family history has become a mania for her." Hercule Poirot http://www.FrontPorchRockerNews.blogspot.com http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Langford This project includes Lankford spelling also. "Truth and reason are eternal. They have prevailed. And they will eternally prevail; however, in times and places they may be overborne for a while by violence, military, civil, or ecclesiastical." --Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson, 1810

Virginia land records are available at the Library of Virginia website. http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F Many of the original deeds are online On 6/12/2012 7:39 PM, Nancy Hansen wrote: > Bev, > > When I search on Virginia, Tenn & Texas. I only get 1 or 2 counties to > choose from. Is that your experience? > > Nan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beverly > Rampey > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brenda Brazell's request > > To check on where the land for your ancestor may have been, go to the Bureau > of Land Management, Department of the Interior's website and look for the > state and then for the name. There are worlds of information there. We > have tracked our ancestors' moves across from Virginia to Missouri by the > land purchases they have made. We have also been able to get copies of the > actual purchase agreements which show the various Presidents who were > serving when the purchases were made. It's a great little piece of American > history. > > Bev Rampey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bev, Thankyou so much for the tip!! We will get right on that. Sue On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Beverly Rampey <threemares@gmail.com>wrote: > To check on where the land for your ancestor may have been, go to the > Bureau of Land Management, Department of the Interior's website and look > for the state and then for the name. There are worlds of information > there. We have tracked our ancestors' moves across from Virginia to > Missouri by the land purchases they have made. We have also been able to > get copies of the actual purchase agreements which show the various > Presidents who were serving when the purchases were made. It's a great > little piece of American history. > > Bev Rampey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bev, When I search on Virginia, Tenn & Texas. I only get 1 or 2 counties to choose from. Is that your experience? Nan -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beverly Rampey Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Brenda Brazell's request To check on where the land for your ancestor may have been, go to the Bureau of Land Management, Department of the Interior's website and look for the state and then for the name. There are worlds of information there. We have tracked our ancestors' moves across from Virginia to Missouri by the land purchases they have made. We have also been able to get copies of the actual purchase agreements which show the various Presidents who were serving when the purchases were made. It's a great little piece of American history. Bev Rampey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am forwarding this email to the group with new member Brenda Brazell's permission. She'd be very happy to hear from researchers on her family either through a response to the list (please alter the subject line to fit your response) or to her personally at: sugarplumabc@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda Brazell To: jrussell2@charter.net Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:01 AM Subject: Old burial ground, union, sc I saw an e-mail address for you where you have mapped out the old burial ground in Union, SC. I was not able to locate where you have listed the graves you have found, but would be interested in any information you have for it. I am a descendent of James Benson and Martha Quinn, marriages into the family have surnames Evans, Clark, Campbell, Kelly, Patty or Paty and Jay. Looking for any of their graves. I found some in the Bush River burial site that had some of the surnames, but not the first names, based on dates, assuming children or siblings of people I am looking for. Not putting them in my family tree, but only using them to see if could find graves for my ancestors. If you have any good burial grounds sites to look in I would appreciate it. I am new to the looking on this, so have just kept plundering on the internet looking for information. I looked at what was online for Bush River and Camden Quaker burials. Had thought of making a trip to see them and the old burial ground in Union, but would save me lots of headaches if did not have to redo what you have already done on the Old Burial Ground. Only the ancestors that died prior to about 1810 would have been in SC, they moved on to Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas and Oklahoma for my line. And then of all wonders, my parents settled in SC in mid 1960s. So I guess my family has gone full circle back to SC. Of course it was only last year when I realized our first American ancestor lived in SC. Since you went to the graveyard, I am assuming you are nearby. It did not say which family line you were from. I have most of the information on all my ancestors with the exception of Thomas Benson. Approximate births for him and Mary Kelly his wife, marriage date and location, but nothing more. Have you seen or heard anyone with more information on him? I know he was in Ohio in 1820's, Indiana 1830s and 1840s, Wisconsin, 1846-1855, and can not find any more on him after. Also would love to figure out if there was a way to know where James Benson's land was in 1800, would love to just go see it and set foot on it if it could be identified now. James Benson, Sr's will says on Tyger River. I see an area on a map that shows Evans and Kelly and further upstream their is a Bens Creek. Wondered if that was how they got their names? By the people living there. If so, then the problem is taking a map and determining where it is physically to stand on it. Now if I could only be so lucky on my Robinson side. I have hit a brick wall, where my Amos Robinson was born 1820, no idea of siblings, and have not been able to match up his father to him. Supposed to be New Hampshire and New York to look in, way too many Amos' and way too many Seth's, his supposed father. Brenda Brazell Granddaughter of James Emory Benson, son of James Henry Benson, son of Samuel Benson, son of Thomas Benson, son of James Benson, son of James Benson.

To check on where the land for your ancestor may have been, go to the Bureau of Land Management, Department of the Interior's website and look for the state and then for the name. There are worlds of information there. We have tracked our ancestors' moves across from Virginia to Missouri by the land purchases they have made. We have also been able to get copies of the actual purchase agreements which show the various Presidents who were serving when the purchases were made. It's a great little piece of American history. Bev Rampey

[When/if you respond, *please remember* to either change the subject line of your response to reflect your input OR just respond to me personally off-list at jrussell2@charter.net ] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ For the last couple of weeks, the Bush River Cemetery Committee has been exchanging thoughts about a Quaker Homecoming Event to be scheduled for summer 2013 in Newberry, SC. Our group has met in Newberry every 2 or 3 years since 2001 and we'd like to keep up the tradition. We are thinking that we'd like to broaden our range of interest to include some of the Quaker and Revolutionary sites in Union County, South Carolina. We'd like our group, especially, to visit the newly surveyed and cleaned up Padgett's Creek Quaker Cemetery in Union County. Also, we might want to explore the two or three other Quaker burial grounds near Newberry. And we have a potential suggested keynote presentation of the Migration of the Bush River Quakers to the Midwest. We would very much like to find ways to involve as many people as possible from local communities: Newberry, Columbia, Spartanburg, Union, etc. We'd like to expand our interaction with other Quaker researchers, descendants, and historians in the area. We also want to include members of the several active Meetings in the area. Over the years many different topics for research or investigation have been suggested to the group. In most cases, we lacked the time and resources to follow up. If we had some interest, we might have committees that would look into these topics and present reports to the group. The topics could include, among others you might suggest: The possibility of repairs or replacements of existing stones at the Bush River Cemetery The possibility of the use of metal detectors or Ground Penetrating Radar to look for the remnants of the old meeting house A new publication or series of family stories Investigation of the possibility of having the Bush River Burial Grounds placed National Historic Registry Transcription project for the original Bush River Meeting Minutes Signage or electronic device or IPHONE app to give more info at the cemetery about the families. Simple landscape plan and installation Where did some of our other families go, if not the mid west? why? Further development of our rootsweb Bush River website. We would very much appreciate any and all thoughts you might have on the idea of a Summer 2013 Homecoming, or on any of the other ideas I've listed here. Please let me know if there is a topic that you'd be interested in working on with a small group. There are so many wonderful things our group has done in the past and can do in the future. Look forward to hearing from you! Judy Russell

The Elijah Hunt (1800-58) we've been discussing somehow "ought" to be a grandson of Ralph and Rachel Campbell Hunt of Union Co SC. If that were the case, it should be possible to place him within the family of one of the six sons. Ralph and Rachel had 10 children, 3 born prior to the relocation to SC in 1772 (e.g., John was born in PA). Neither of them had previously been Quaker; they and the children were received by request at Bush River MM on 26 Sep 1776. Rachel died on 18 Mar 1790, Ralph in 1800. The births of the children were included in the Bush River MM records: 1. 11 Jan 1764 Mary [disowned by Bush River MM on 28 Aug 1784 after marrying Roger Potts] 2. 19 Jun 1766 Samuel [married Quaker Margaret Townsend; disowned by Miami MM on 10 Mar 1808] 3. 27 Sep 1768 John [married non-Quaker Jane Little; men's minutes of Cane Creek MM not preserved] 4. 25 May 1772 Ralph [married non-Quaker Ann xxx in SC, two other marriages in Spencer Co IN] 5. 15 Feb 1775 Rachel [disowned by Cane Creek MM on 23 Mar 1799 after marrying xxx Kelly] 6. 1 Jul 1777 Isaiah [married non-Quaker Martha Douglass in SC; men's minutes not preserved] 7. 6 Nov 1779 Christiana [disowned by Cane Creek MM on 20 Jun 1801 (reason not stated); married Thomas Penny in Ohio Co KY on 22 Oct 1807. 8. 12 Apr 1782 Edward 9. 30 May 1784 Abraham [married Sarah rpt. Chamness] 10. 8 Jan 1786 Joanna [disowned by Cane Creek MM on 18 Feb 1804 after marrying xxx Cooper] The two youngest sons, Abraham and Edward, were living with stepmother Mary Cook Hunt in Union Co SC in 1800 (census day was Aug 4). They could not have married and/or become a father by Dec 1800. Edward left a will in Randolph Co IN in 1844, Abraham in 1851. Neither had a son named Elijah. The two oldest sons, Samuel and John, were certainly old enough to be the father of Elijah, but neither of them was. The children of Samuel were not named in the SC MM records, but they were listed in the Miami MM (Warren Co OH) records. Samuel and Margaret Townsend Hunt had 6 daughters and no sons. A biography of John Hunt (1768-1855) was included in the 1882 Beers' History of Warren County Ohio. The bio named his wives and children. He had one son Ralph (b. 1802 in SC) by Jane Little, and one son John (b. 1820) by Rachel Jones Morey. Four of the Hunt siblings left Union Co SC for Ohio Co KY in ~1802, where they lived adjacent to one another in the part of the county included in Daviess Co KY by 1820. Those were Roger and Mary Hunt Potts, Ralph and Ann Hunt, Isaiah and Martha Douglass Hunt, and unmarried Christiana Hunt. They were joined there by Union Co neighbors named Penny, Minton, Spray and Little, and probably others. Christiana Hunt married Thomas Penny in Ohio Co KY on 22 Oct 1807. At the 1810 census of Ohio Co KY, Ralph Hunt's household included two boys, both under 10; Isaiah Hunt's household included one boy, also under 10. The 1820 census of Daviess Co KY indicated that all three of these boys were born between 1804 and 1810. Ralph Hunt moved across the river to Spencer Co IN in 1822. The 1830 census of Spencer Co OH (Grass TWP) includes the household of Ralph Hunt on the same page with his two oldest sons (Samuel, b. ~1805, and James M., b. 19 Dec 1807). Isaiah's single son was identified as Isaiah Jr. (b. 7 Jan 1807) in the estate documents following his death in 1832. In short--none of the 6 sons of Ralph and Rachel Campbell Hunt had a son named Elijah. Five of Elijah's sons offered an opinion about his state of birth at the 1880 census: Sons of Susanna McCool: 1. Ralph Hunt (27 Mar 1824 - 6 Mar 1888) said that Elijah was born in SC (Darke Co OH, T9-1010, p. 265). 2. Abraham Hunt (3 Dec 1834 - 28 Sep 1920) said that Elijah was born in NC (Darke Co OH, T9-1010, p. 261); Abraham revised that to SC at the 1920 census, Miami Co OH. 3. Richard M. Hunt (8 May 1837 - 10 Jul 1880) said that Elijah was born in NC (Darke Co OH, T9-1010, p. 251). Sons of Hannah Rhodehamel Richardson: 1. John W. Hunt (1843 - 1908) said that Elijah was born in NC (Howard Co IN, T9-285, p. 496). 2. Elijah Hunt (Jr., 15 May 1846 - 11 Apr 1912) said that Elijah was born in NC (Hancock Co IN, T9-282, p. 187); his mother Anna/Hannah lived with him at the time. If the majority vote was correct, then Elijah Hunt was born 18 Dec 1800 in NC. There were, of course, numerous Hunt families in NC at the time, some of them Quakers, some of them descended from immigrant Ralph Hunt, and some of those from NC wound up in OH and IN in the early 19th century. It seems like a few coincidences too many for an unrelated Hunt from somewhere in NC to pop up in Miami Co OH, marry a McCool girl from Union Co SC, hang out closely with Christiana Hunt Penny of Union Co SC, and name his children Ralph, Rachel and Abraham (among other names). With Christiana the only child of Ralph and Rachel Hunt to move to Miami Co OH, her migration pattern was the one that Elijah Hunt "ought" to have followed. But the brothers with whom Christiana went to KY did not have a son named Elijah, and did not go to Miami Co OH. There is another possibility, which does not come quickly to mind for a Quaker family, but is within the realm of probability. Christiana Hunt was disowned by Cane Creek in Jun 1801. She had not "married out" then--she did that later, in Oct 1807. An out-of-wedlock child would result in disownment. The 1810 census of Ohio Co KY shows 3 males under 10 in the Thomas Penny household, two of whom were in his household in 1820 in Miami Co OH. The first two (known) sons of Thomas Penny and Christiana Hunt were John F. Penny (b. 18 Jun 1808) and Henry Penny (b. 1809/10). There was no time to work in a third son between the marriage in Oct 1807 and census day of 1810 (Aug 6). The original women's minutes of Cane Creek MM, transferred to Caesar's Creek MM in IN, would include the reason for Christiana Hunt's disownment. It is at least remotely possible that she was a single mother, with a son named Elijah, at the time of her marriage. It is interesting that Henry Penny (Christiana's prospective father-in-law, rather than one of her two nearby brothers) was the one who testified for the 1807 marriage that Christiana was over age 21, and could therefore marry without family permission. Harriet Imrey

Vivian, This is great, yes I know Joyce Magee. I met her years ago through Bev Marker from Gettyburg Ohio. We used to play bridge many years ago. I also collect antiques so I would run into at antique shows. I don't know your daughter but I've heard of her. Are they the ones that owned Henry St Clair home? When I started this research back in the 80's we didn't have the luxury of the internet. I didn't find much then other that we know Elijah was our 3 gr gf. We have an old reunion book that someone kept family records but didn't do a very thorough job. It starts with elijah but no mention of his father. I found a man in Laura that had written a history of Laura Ohio. He told of a Gabriel McCool and Elizabeth Wright from Newberry South carolina. Their grandaughter Susie McCool married Elijah Hunt. Her parents were Thomas And Mary Thompson McCool. These McCools and other settlers founded LAura Ohio. . Elijah and Susanna married 08-19-1821. The history book also says that Elijah's father was Samuel son of Ralph and Rachel Campbel Hunt which .i found out later. Orginally, my cousin Den Hunt said that Christianna Hunt Penny was Elijah's mother and Thomas Penny was his stepfather. I'm sure that is not correct. I decided to google Newberry South carolina because that laura history book said that's where the the McCool and Thompson's and Elijah was from. THEN I found Ralph and Rachel and all their Quaker history and all their children's and grandchildren names including Christianna. I was sooo happy! I don't have ancestry. com, but I have access to it at the Garst museum here in town. The lady at our public library gave me MOCAVO which is a free search engine. The info that you sent me I found on that website. What is unclear to me is that it says some of Ralph's children went to Warren Co., Ohio I think and Ohio Co., Ky, but it doesnt say who. What happened to Samuel? Later in Elijah's life he went to Iowa, but is buried at Old Ludlow here in LAura. It's all a mystery. I wold love to find who Ralph's father is. There is a Ralph Hunt that was one of the founding fathers of NY. I know they were from England. Elijah names his sons Ralph, Abraham, Richard (my 2nd great) Thomas, Issac, Elijah and John. daughters are Rachel Susanna, Mary. All these names are similar to Ralph's childrens names so that why I 'm pretty sure I'm on the right track. Thanks for sending me the info you have, Sue On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Vivian <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> wrote: > Sue, It was not the Marsall that had all the excellent references on > Penny that should be a good starting ground for verification but a > "Barefoot" researcher. > Here is a link to her site and Penny is in her maternal line. Scroll > down on the right. > > Here is a quote from page two on your Thomas/Hunt. Maybe your can > verify this marriage record. I know that Ky did have marriage records > for that time period. Do you have Ancestry.com? If not I can look it up > for you. > > *3*.Thomas/^2 /PENNY (Henry/^1 /) was born in 1783 in South Carolina. He > died 19 November 1851 in Darke County, Ohio at age 68, and was buried in > Old Ludlow Cemetery, Laura, Miami County, Ohio > > Thomas married Christiana HUNT, daughter of Ralph and Rachel (Campbell) > Hunt, 22 October 1807 in Ohio County, Kentucky.In the absence of her > father, Henry Penny made an oath that Christiana was over 21 years of > age. Christiana was born 6 October 1779 in South Carolina and died 20 > January 1857 in Darke County, Ohio at age 77 years, 3 months and 14 > days.She was buried in Old Ludlow Cemetery.Christiana, a Quaker, was > disowned from the Cane Creek Monthly Meeting, Union County, South > Carolina on 20 June 1801. The cause was not stated. Her father Ralph was > born circa 1740, probably in New Jersey. After his wife Rachel died 18 > March 1790 in South Carolina he married Mary Cook 3 January 1793. Ralph > died in 1803 in South Carolina. In the mass migration of Quakers from > South Carolina northward, several of Ralph's and Rachel's children moved > to Warren County, Ohio. At least two sons, Ralph, Jr. and Isaiah, and > daughter Christina went to Ohio County, Kentucky. > > Thomas Penny was first found on the property tax rolls for Ohio County, > Kentucky on 30 July 1808 with 100 acres on a fork of Long Falls Creek. > The 1810 federal census for Ohio Countyshowed him with a wife and 3 > young sons, and he remained on Ohio County tax rolls through 1814.By > 1820 he and his family were in Union Township, Miami County, Ohio. > > Known children of Thomas/^2 /PENNY and Christiana HUNT, both born in > Ohio County, Kentucky, were as follows: > > +14i.John F./^3 /PENNY, born 18 June 1808; married Mariah MCCLAIN. > > +15ii.Henry PENNY, born circa 1809; married Agnes MARCUM. > > Based on census records Thomas and Christiana likely had at least one > additional son and two additional daughters. > > Those children have not as yet been identified. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sue, It was not the Marsall that had all the excellent references on Penny that should be a good starting ground for verification but a "Barefoot" researcher. Here is a link to her site and Penny is in her maternal line. Scroll down on the right. Here is a quote from page two on your Thomas/Hunt. Maybe your can verify this marriage record. I know that Ky did have marriage records for that time period. Do you have Ancestry.com? If not I can look it up for you. *3*.Thomas/^2 /PENNY (Henry/^1 /) was born in 1783 in South Carolina. He died 19 November 1851 in Darke County, Ohio at age 68, and was buried in Old Ludlow Cemetery, Laura, Miami County, Ohio Thomas married Christiana HUNT, daughter of Ralph and Rachel (Campbell) Hunt, 22 October 1807 in Ohio County, Kentucky.In the absence of her father, Henry Penny made an oath that Christiana was over 21 years of age. Christiana was born 6 October 1779 in South Carolina and died 20 January 1857 in Darke County, Ohio at age 77 years, 3 months and 14 days.She was buried in Old Ludlow Cemetery.Christiana, a Quaker, was disowned from the Cane Creek Monthly Meeting, Union County, South Carolina on 20 June 1801. The cause was not stated. Her father Ralph was born circa 1740, probably in New Jersey. After his wife Rachel died 18 March 1790 in South Carolina he married Mary Cook 3 January 1793. Ralph died in 1803 in South Carolina. In the mass migration of Quakers from South Carolina northward, several of Ralph's and Rachel's children moved to Warren County, Ohio. At least two sons, Ralph, Jr. and Isaiah, and daughter Christina went to Ohio County, Kentucky. Thomas Penny was first found on the property tax rolls for Ohio County, Kentucky on 30 July 1808 with 100 acres on a fork of Long Falls Creek. The 1810 federal census for Ohio Countyshowed him with a wife and 3 young sons, and he remained on Ohio County tax rolls through 1814.By 1820 he and his family were in Union Township, Miami County, Ohio. Known children of Thomas/^2 /PENNY and Christiana HUNT, both born in Ohio County, Kentucky, were as follows: +14i.John F./^3 /PENNY, born 18 June 1808; married Mariah MCCLAIN. +15ii.Henry PENNY, born circa 1809; married Agnes MARCUM. Based on census records Thomas and Christiana likely had at least one additional son and two additional daughters. Those children have not as yet been identified.

Sue Ellen, Yep, it is the same family. I just checked and had not noticed that Henry had two wives, Hannah Brown and Mary Thompson and I only have my brother in law's direct line entered. I need to branch this family out anyway. Do you know Ralph and Joyce Magee? She had an Interior decorator business in Arcanum and he was buider in Darke County, Magee Bros Contruction. That is my sister and brother in law. Then my daughter is Nikki Nealeigh who is the Childcare Director at the YMCA in Greenville. My oldest two children graduated from Greenville. Ralph's line goes back like this Ralph Magee>Ruth Wintrow/Sam Magee>Liberty Wintrow/Anna Cunkel>Adam Wintrow/Hester Penny>Elijah Penny>Rachel Miles>John Penny/Esther Thompson>Henry Penny 1754-1841 I have not verified any of his early Penny lines as they had been done by others and he had a manuscript. I will get it back from him and see what other Penny's are in it. I am going over there tomorrow but I think it was mainly Wintrow. I worked on Magee for him. He was one of 10 kids but all the way back there were few siblings in any of this grandparents line so not much about Magee to be found but I did get them back to New Jersy/Md. I know that the Penny stuff need verified before I would want to offer that it is correct. You will find Henry and Hannah in the South Carolina archives under Thickpenny. I am not sure if they changed it before they moved here but I know it was not used here. Here is link if you don't have it http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/Search.aspx?br=1 These need sorting out as there is John Thickpenny and a Hannah Thickpenny signed a will. So I am thinking they are a pair but there is also a John Penny so I did not get into if this is the same man. I also searched for Ralph Hunt and found both John Thickpenny and Ralph Hunt lived on the Tyger River. This is a great resource as you can add a location once you find them and find the neighbors. I like to start by seeing if the parents spouses of siblings lived in that area to help determine if it could be the right family when there are no marriage or birth records. I did a quick check of Hinshaw and did find a "Ralph Hunt" at Bush River but no Penny. Our Esther Thompson was disowned from Cane Creek MM when she married John Penny, so it looks like the Penny family was not Quaker. There is a Marshall researcher from this line that I was corresponding with last year that I think also had Penny and he had documented things extremely well, so I will see if I can find his website and email address. Vivian On 5/10/2012 3:44 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: > Vivian, Hello! My Christianna was born 11-6-1779 and died 01-20-1857 and > is buried in the Old Ludlow Cemetary in Laura Ohio. Her parents were Ralph > Sr. and Rachel Campbell Hunt from Union Co., South Carolina. Christianna > was married to Thomas Penny s/o Henry and Hannah Brown Penny also buried in > Old Ludlow. His dates are 1783-1851. They were married 10-22-1807.. I > hpe this helps. My 3rd great grandfather Elijah Hunt was Ralph Sr.s > grandson. The names are the same but I don't think your line is my > line. maybe John Penny and Henry were related. Thanks for responding. I > live in Greenville Ohio. Sueellen Hunt Besecker. > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Vivian<vivm2007@woh.rr.com> wrote: > >> Hi Sue Ellen and all, >> >> I missed the original of this post and I don't really have much to add >> but I am interested. First, may I ask what age Thomas Penny who marred >> Christianna Hunt? I have a Thomas Penny son of John Penny and Esther >> Thompson. Thomas's brother Elijah married Rachel Miles and they are >> the ancestral grandparents of my brother in law Ralph Magee. They were >> definitely from Bush River area. I have several Hunts but no complete >> family lines, just as spouses of some of my families like the Beals. >> >> Is this your Thomas? >> >> We are planning a big 80th birthday party for my brother in law next >> week, so I may not respond quickly but I am interested. The Penny's >> lived in both Miami and Darke County Ohio. Do you live in Ohio? I am >> in Springfield but was born and raised in Miami County. >> >> Vivian Markley >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Vivian, Hello! My Christianna was born 11-6-1779 and died 01-20-1857 and is buried in the Old Ludlow Cemetary in Laura Ohio. Her parents were Ralph Sr. and Rachel Campbell Hunt from Union Co., South Carolina. Christianna was married to Thomas Penny s/o Henry and Hannah Brown Penny also buried in Old Ludlow. His dates are 1783-1851. They were married 10-22-1807.. I hpe this helps. My 3rd great grandfather Elijah Hunt was Ralph Sr.s grandson. The names are the same but I don't think your line is my line. maybe John Penny and Henry were related. Thanks for responding. I live in Greenville Ohio. Sueellen Hunt Besecker. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Vivian <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> wrote: > Hi Sue Ellen and all, > > I missed the original of this post and I don't really have much to add > but I am interested. First, may I ask what age Thomas Penny who marred > Christianna Hunt? I have a Thomas Penny son of John Penny and Esther > Thompson. Thomas's brother Elijah married Rachel Miles and they are > the ancestral grandparents of my brother in law Ralph Magee. They were > definitely from Bush River area. I have several Hunts but no complete > family lines, just as spouses of some of my families like the Beals. > > Is this your Thomas? > > We are planning a big 80th birthday party for my brother in law next > week, so I may not respond quickly but I am interested. The Penny's > lived in both Miami and Darke County Ohio. Do you live in Ohio? I am > in Springfield but was born and raised in Miami County. > > Vivian Markley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sue Ellen and all, I missed the original of this post and I don't really have much to add but I am interested. First, may I ask what age Thomas Penny who marred Christianna Hunt? I have a Thomas Penny son of John Penny and Esther Thompson. Thomas's brother Elijah married Rachel Miles and they are the ancestral grandparents of my brother in law Ralph Magee. They were definitely from Bush River area. I have several Hunts but no complete family lines, just as spouses of some of my families like the Beals. Is this your Thomas? We are planning a big 80th birthday party for my brother in law next week, so I may not respond quickly but I am interested. The Penny's lived in both Miami and Darke County Ohio. Do you live in Ohio? I am in Springfield but was born and raised in Miami County. Vivian Markley

My name is NOT Hunt. It's Hurt. Please remove my from your list. Thanks! Marilyn Hurt ---- "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net> wrote: > Below is a query from a new member of our list. I think we have some other Hunt researchers among us who might help. Welcome to Suellen Hunt Bececker. ----- Original Message ----- From: suebee848@gmail.com To: jrussell2@charter.net Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Hunt Family Research Ms. Russell, My name is Suellen Hunt Besecker. I am working on the Hunt family geneology and have discovered a Ralph Hunt born in 1738 in Union Co., South Carolina. He also died there in 1800. His wife was Rachel Campbell. They were married in 1762 and had 10 children. My question to you is, I’m trying to confirm that he is my ancestor. I have his father and mother as Richard and Sarah, but I don’t know if that is right. Is there any information you might have pertaining to the Hunt family?. Ralph and Rachel had a daughter Christianna who was married to Thomas Penny and they came to Darke Ohio. This couple was related to Elijah Hunt and he is my great great grandfather who lived and farmed here in Miami Co., Ohio. It is not clear if he was Christianna’s son or nephew? He is definitely my gggrandpa because we have proof of that. I’m just trying to connect him to Ralph and or Richard. Ralph had a son Samuel (Margret Townsend)who might have been Elija! h’s father, but that’s not confirmed. Elijah had sons named Ralph and Richard. Richard is my ggrandpa. It’s getting confusing now. I realize they named their children after parents and grandparents. Any help you can provide I would really appreciate it. Thank you Suellen Hunt Bececker. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Below is a query from a new member of our list. I think we have some other Hunt researchers among us who might help. Welcome to Suellen Hunt Bececker. ----- Original Message ----- From: suebee848@gmail.com To: jrussell2@charter.net Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Hunt Family Research Ms. Russell, My name is Suellen Hunt Besecker. I am working on the Hunt family geneology and have discovered a Ralph Hunt born in 1738 in Union Co., South Carolina. He also died there in 1800. His wife was Rachel Campbell. They were married in 1762 and had 10 children. My question to you is, I’m trying to confirm that he is my ancestor. I have his father and mother as Richard and Sarah, but I don’t know if that is right. Is there any information you might have pertaining to the Hunt family?. Ralph and Rachel had a daughter Christianna who was married to Thomas Penny and they came to Darke Ohio. This couple was related to Elijah Hunt and he is my great great grandfather who lived and farmed here in Miami Co., Ohio. It is not clear if he was Christianna’s son or nephew? He is definitely my gggrandpa because we have proof of that. I’m just trying to connect him to Ralph and or Richard. Ralph had a son Samuel (Margret Townsend)who might have been Elijah’s father, but that’s not confirmed. Elijah had sons named Ralph and Richard. Richard is my ggrandpa. It’s getting confusing now. I realize they named their children after parents and grandparents. Any help you can provide I would really appreciate it. Thank you Suellen Hunt Bececker.

Thank goodness for the history feature. I found it. http://piedmontwanderings.blogspot.com/2010/10/early-land-claims-on-saxapahaw. On the blog, to the right he has dates and in parenthesis the number of pages, so this site has over 100 pages of material and is not searchable. A real pain. But this page has a map and all those men should be on it if I am reading it right. He is an author and he does sell the maps, so the resolution is small on the blog so that they load easy. I was able to save it to my desktop and make larger but only the larger names are legible. I can say that Valentine Hollingsworth in date 1760 and in the lower left hand corner and a Thomas Lindsay lays just north of him but I can't read the rest of the writing around him. It is a rather large rectangular shape. I personally don't think that $10.00 is too bad considering we all know how much time it takes to verify and then plot all these early land grants. I too think it is important to learn as much about all the branches of the family not just my immediate branch. I don't have any direct Hollingworth's that I know of yet, but there are several that have marriages that I am hoping may break down some walls if I could get more information. I don't know if every Bush River family has a big connection to Orange County but I sure seem to plus some of these families seem connected to my none Quakers in Va/NC/SC. I am hoping to meet this guy when I go to North Carolina to see my son and thought I would be going this summer, but my son bought a little country spread back here as a "vacation/retirement" home (he is only 39 but in the Navy) so now they will be home in July and August so I am not sure. Hillsborough is just the right distance to stay overnight and I plan on stretching it into a couple of days of research. LOL I want to try to read all his pages before I go back down, so I can glean his mind with relevant questions. We could not meet up last time I was down there and I had just found him. I have a grandfather that they only clue I have on him is that "he was born on the Haw River" and the Haw River is one of Mark's focus and how I found his site. His book is "An Historical Atlas of the Haw River". I am not sure he is really into "selling his ware" as I have never found a way to order. I was wanting to meet him and get his book then and the only way I could find him was through the mayor's office and I was only going to be there for two days so his schedule was already full.

Vivian, I read the piedmont wanderings website but though I found other names I recognized in the land sales I did not find Valentine Hollingsworth you mentioned. Did I look in the wrong place? My husband descends from Valentine>Thomas>Abraham etc. so I am very interested in adding anything I can find for that lineage. Edna Rasmussen Hollingsworth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivian" <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Pugh Family in Bush River >I can give a little insight into the Pugh's. I did not see them listed > at Eno Cemetery so if you could post exactly who is there I might have > more. > nThis is what I have so far on Pugh. > Azariah Pugh is definitely Bush River MM and Hopewell MM before that. > Son of Thomas Pugh/Jane Robert_Rogers> son of Ellis and Sinah Evan. As > far as I know they have not found a male for DNA testing. > Azariah married Hannah Beals daughter of there are different theories on > this. Their daughter Ruth Pugh married Peter Julien Jr. both died Bush > River. I descend from son Elijah married Rhoda Coppock. Other familes > that they married were Baskin, Tanzy, Chapman, Gray, Wrights and Minton. > > Peter Julien Jr and Ruth Pugh had a daughter Ruth Julien 1763, Guilford > and they lived in Orange Co NC but I do not think they ever joined Cane > Creek MM. Julien's were not early Quakers but married in. She is a > sister to my Elihu/Rhoda Coppock. Ruth was the eldest and she married > Elijah Stewart Pugh and they died in Grove Hill, Alabama. Elijah > Stewart Pughs parents were Jesse Pugh and Elizabeth Stewart of Orange Co > NC. Some of their children married the Baskin and Chapman above. This > Jesse Pugh is the son of Thomas Pugh and Elizabeth Richardson>James Pugh > and Joan Price. This line has been DNA tested but we still do not know > if the two lines are related by blood. > > If anyone can shed more light on this group, I would love to hear from > you. > > Here is an interesting website that you have to just browse but he does > have some early land records of people that I think came on to Bush > River like Wright and McDaniel and others. It has been a year since I > found this site, so I am not sure just were I found it. If I have some > time, I will see if I kind find it again but browsing if any of you have > time might find your family that would not be obvious to me. I know > there is a Valentine Hollingsworth there. I think he may have a book. > His is a fairly young man, Mark Chilton and the mayor of Carrboro. > http://piedmontwanderings.blogspot.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2411/4960 - Release Date: 04/26/12 >

Jim Arnold, Hello and pleased to meet you. I have been doing some serious research and I have found books on the Embrees. You can access my tree at: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/34014148/family I think my tree is public too. There is a good book about the Embrees by Philip Price and Eli K Price. You can go to the following web site to read it: http://archive.org/stream/biographicalsket00pric#page/n7/mode/2up I hope that helps clear up Frank Embree and Sarah Pearsall. I have also researched Thomas Embree, brother to Jacob Embree. His sons and his life are very fascinating. They settled in the Tennessee are not far from Johnson City. The Embree Stone house is the 3rd oldest house in Tennessee. Lyda Embree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:19 PM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Fw: Embree: Quaker Genealogy > For Lyda Embree, new member > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Arnold" <dagbdoc@aol.com> > To: <jrussell2@charter.net> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:00 PM > Subject: RE: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Embree: Quaker Genealogy > > >> Lyda Embree, >> >> Hello and I am pleased to make your acquaintance. I am willing to help >> you >> in any way I can, as an Embree descendant. I am trying to further crack >> the >> mysterious code. My family tree on Ancestry.com is a publicly open. >> >> Please use this link to help move forward: >> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20625582/person/971682747 >> >> I am interested to learn what you too can share. Start at the link and >> move >> back in history, for I have nothing to speak of, forward. My work will >> also >> lead you to other Embree family members, who too will gladly help. >> >> Jim Arnold >> GGGS of Sarah Embree >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith F. >> Russell >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:10 PM >> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Embree: Quaker Genealogy >> >> Here is a question from our new subscriber Lyda Embree, forwarded with >> her >> permission. She is now a member of our Bush River list, so you can reply >> to >> her or to the list. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lloyd Embree >> To: jrussell2@charter.net >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:51 PM >> Subject: Quaker Genealogy >> >> >> My name is Lyda Embree and when I was down at Newberry County Library, a >> gentlemen at the library gave me your email address and said that you >> were >> a >> connection to the Quaker Genealogy. I am tracing the Embree line for my >> husband. I have traced back to the 1600's. I have read some of the >> papers >> on the Embrees, but I still have some questions. I have found the >> minutes >> for Moses Embree III and Margret Elleman. I would like to find Quaker >> records for Moses Embree I and the II. Some of their history is in the >> Monthly Meeting records for Little Egg Harbor NJ. This is my problem: >> the >> records are not on Ancestry.com or at some of the libraries on line that >> I >> can find. Can you direct me to a place where I can get the information? >> I >> would appreciate any help. >> >> Thank you. >> Lyda Embree >> Simpsonville SC >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For Lyda Embree, new member ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Arnold" <dagbdoc@aol.com> To: <jrussell2@charter.net> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: RE: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Embree: Quaker Genealogy > Lyda Embree, > > Hello and I am pleased to make your acquaintance. I am willing to help > you > in any way I can, as an Embree descendant. I am trying to further crack > the > mysterious code. My family tree on Ancestry.com is a publicly open. > > Please use this link to help move forward: > http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20625582/person/971682747 > > I am interested to learn what you too can share. Start at the link and > move > back in history, for I have nothing to speak of, forward. My work will > also > lead you to other Embree family members, who too will gladly help. > > Jim Arnold > GGGS of Sarah Embree > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith F. > Russell > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:10 PM > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Embree: Quaker Genealogy > > Here is a question from our new subscriber Lyda Embree, forwarded with > her > permission. She is now a member of our Bush River list, so you can reply > to > her or to the list. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lloyd Embree > To: jrussell2@charter.net > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:51 PM > Subject: Quaker Genealogy > > > My name is Lyda Embree and when I was down at Newberry County Library, a > gentlemen at the library gave me your email address and said that you were > a > connection to the Quaker Genealogy. I am tracing the Embree line for my > husband. I have traced back to the 1600's. I have read some of the papers > on the Embrees, but I still have some questions. I have found the minutes > for Moses Embree III and Margret Elleman. I would like to find Quaker > records for Moses Embree I and the II. Some of their history is in the > Monthly Meeting records for Little Egg Harbor NJ. This is my problem: the > records are not on Ancestry.com or at some of the libraries on line that I > can find. Can you direct me to a place where I can get the information? > I > would appreciate any help. > > Thank you. > Lyda Embree > Simpsonville SC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >