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Hi Judy,   Allright!   ________________________________ From: Judith F. Russell <jrussell2@charter.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:38 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] When you reply to messages, please remember Hi Bush River Members:  when you reply to messages, please remember to delete the many previous messages which might be included below your new text.  Rootsweb has limits as to size of messages, and when you include bunches of old messages, you hit the limit. Also, please remember to change the subject line if you are changing the topic, even slightly.  That helps folks know whether you've introduced something new. Thanks for being the best and most informative group I know about! Judy Russell list admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I doubt there is a Bowman connection. That was myi ex-husband's name, but I'd still be happy to trace the family line for my children. However, I have had very little luck finding them so far. They came to Michigan/Chicago area from Canada about 1870. The family lore was that the gr-gr grandfather was a Dutch ship captain whose name was Boomstra. I have not so far been able to find them on the 1880 census, though one son supposedly was born in the states in 1870. I also think the name was Boonstra rather than Boomstra as with an "n" there are a few in the Michigan area in 1880, but none with an "m" anyplace in the US! On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Robert Cooper <henspert@yahoo.com> wrote: > Very interesting. I noticed the name Bowman. I have a friend with the last name Bowman. His name is Dan. His mother very recently passed, Bonnie. He has a sister Rebecca any chance you are related? Seguin Texas is where they are from. Dan and Rebecca live on different coastal states. > > Robert. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joyce Bowman <jeobowman@gmail.com> > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Elijah Hunt's father > >     As far as I know, all the original Quaker records of NC are at > Guilford College Archives and can be accessed there.  I had an > ancestor's 2nd husband, who, in the Hinshaw transcription, is said to > have been disowned--with no explanation.  A cousin of mine went to > Guilford and went thru the original minutes and found several entries > which preceded the disownment.  The story was that this man's wife had > gone on a long trip to visit a married daughter and was gone for a > period of time.  During this time her husband had a young woman > keeping house for him & whatever family was there.  Anyway, he got the > young woman pregnant and that is why he was disowned! >     When Hinshaw was given permission from Quakers in NC to abstract > the genealogy info from their  old records, one condition that they > made of Hinshaw was that he would not publish any negative/derogatory > info! > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> wrote: >> There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test. >> The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, >> but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of >> which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to >> daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who >> could submit a DNA test sample). >> >> The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was >> disowned.  The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not >> include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of >> Cane Creek MM.  The original book is the property of the North Carolina >> Yearly Meeting.  I expect that you could contact them to find out how to >> get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801.  After all, we don't "know" >> that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's >> just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far. >> The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know >> what--if anything--you could do next. >> >> If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of >> wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of >> Union Co SC.  I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I >> haven't seen them myself.  The Minutes of the County Court (including >> bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and >> you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan.  However, >> those records go only through 1799.  A member of the Union Co SC >> RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805.  The >> bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth.  The >> father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was >> required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay >> child support.  Those bonds went into the public records, naming the >> father and the child, and usually the mother as well. >> >> Harriet Imrey >> >> On 6/26/2012 5:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: >>> brenda,  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Thanks for the suggestion. >>> Sue Hunt besecker >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell<sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: >>> Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. >>> >>> Brenda >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>>   From: Sue Besecker<suebee848@gmail.com> >>> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >>> >>> to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My >>> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >>> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were >>> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >>> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >>> married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >>> unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >>> descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >>> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >>> church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >>> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't >>> affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >>> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >>> go to. >>> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >>> Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that >>> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we >>> would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept >>> are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Joyce > > Joyce Overman Bowman > 7877 Beanblossom Circle > Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 > (317) 849-0995 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995

Here is another finding that has some placing on how some Quakers became Baptist. This is an old post from 1999. It is rich in Quaker info regarding Coopers, a number of Quaker Meetings and the Baptist connection.   http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/COOPER/1999-09/0936810003    From: Elveta Guinn < eguinn@rectec.net> Subject: Re: [COOPER-L] Jacob Cooper MD > SC Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:00:03 -0500 Danny, In your data, do you have a Nancy Cooper, who married Newton Anderson CYPERT, in Wayne Co TN???? Trying to find her parents. Elveta Guinn Dbyrd000@aol.com wrote: > I show many of these same Cooper's attending the Bush River Monthly > Meetings in SC along with William Jr., William Sr., and Jacob. 1787 minutes > show Benjamin & wife Pharoba (Ferribee in your letter) and small children > Issac and Charity had attended a 1786 meeting in Wrightsboro. Also in 1787 > Issac and son's Issac and Joesph attended a different meeting at Wrightsboro. > 1n 1811, I show some of the same people, Issac and wife Abigail attending a > Miami Monthly Meeting in Ohio. Same meeting's attended by William Jr. and > wife Mary Hunter that migrated there in 1806/7. The Bush River and Cane Creek > SC Meetings I believe eventually broke up with members migrating to Ohio and > Wrightsboro GA and then to Ohio. I believe all of these Cooper's to be > descendants of William Sr. and Lidy Clark through their many son's. William > Cooper Sr. was dismissed from the Quakers for taking part in the > Revolutionary War as a soldier with the militia of the 96th District of SC. > Many of his children and descendants eventually left the Quakers to become > Baptist/Methodist etc; These were the one's that either stayed in SC or > traveled west to GA, AL, Miss, Ark, etc;. Many settled on the AL/Miss line > around Marion Cty AL and Monroe and Itwambia Counties Miss. Some of these > moved on to Ark and Tex. > Regards, Danny Cooper Byrd > > ==== COOPER Mailing List ==== > Keep COOPER-L and over 6000 other lists online with your > RootsWeb membership or sponsorship. > RootsWeb Gen.Data Coop.Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html   ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Quaker to Baptist in Newberry Thanks to all who took the time to answer my queries about Quakers & Baptists in Newberry. Much valuable info. was shared and I really appreciate it. Martha -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sc-bushriverquakers-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 5:10 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 73 "PLEASE NOTE: When replying to a digest message, please quote *only the specific portion* of message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply.  Also, remember to *change the subject* of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying." Today's Topics:   1. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Martha)   2. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Brenda Brazell)   3. Gauntt Cemetery (Judith F. Russell)   4. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Vivian)   5. Milhous (Will Miller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:44:56 -0500 From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry     ? To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E107A2B82AE246F2B266C0B50DAE26B6@fourfdc6d4e8a6> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.  2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt       Hananiah Gauntt         Zebulon Gauntt          Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague           Sophia Teague + John Lyon           Polly Lyon + (James) Carden             JHR Carden + Eliza Dean             William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher               Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams               Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan    -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry     ? To: "dixiepeanut@comcast.net" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net>,     "sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com" <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <1340616606.59153.YahooMailNeo@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Don't know that I am much help, but I know some children were left out of wills because they had already gotten their inheritance/dowry before the death of the parent.? Many times you would see older sons or married daughters not in wills.? They had already received theirs.? Another time I found some left out, one of the daughter's was disabled of some sort, so the bulk of the will left for her care.? As to the change of Quaker to Baptist, have you looked at whether they had slaves?? Many Quakers were disowned or whatever the term, because they had slaves and were not willing to let them go.? I was reading how some did not move to Ohio with the rest of the Quakers because they refused to give up their slaves.? I know I was reading in the Clinton, Ohio Quakers, that after the older ones passed away, many of the younger ones moved away, leaving the few Quakers behind, younger ones, to mainly now have friends in non Quakers, so the Quakers became non Quakers. I found a few listing of graves when I googled Quaker cemeteries in Union County, I wonder since my ancestors were listed as Fairfield County at one time, could they be there, or at the old site of Camden/Wateree area?? I will have to take time to go visit a bunch as they do not have listings to who are buried there though.? Will keep Gauntt and Teague in mind when goofing off one day and visiting them. Have you checked on findagrave.com?? They have some of the old Quaker burial sites on there. My line is Benson's with marriages to Clark, Campbell, Kelly, Evans and Paty. Brenda ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.? 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt ? ? ?  Hananiah Gauntt ? ? ? ? Zebulon Gauntt? ? ? ? ?  Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague ? ? ? ? ? Sophia Teague + John Lyon ? ? ? ? ?  Polly Lyon + (James) Carden ? ? ? ? ? ? JHR Carden + Eliza Dean ? ? ? ? ? ?  William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan? ? -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:16:49 -0400 From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Gauntt Cemetery To: <dixiepeanut@comcast.net>, <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7C67ADE115D34EF8BEFFEBF9D66B091D@judy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Listings for the Gauntt Cemetery (and 1000s of others) can be found at www.findagrave.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from > Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased > into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt >      Hananiah Gauntt >        Zebulon Gauntt >        Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague >          Sophia Teague + John Lyon >          Polly Lyon + (James) Carden >            JHR Carden + Eliza Dean >            William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher >              Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams >              Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:35:14 -0400 From: Vivian <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry     ? To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4FE88532.4090405@woh.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Martha, I found this intriguing, so I had to study it a bit this morning.  I started by looking at my database and then looking online.  I have some Teague connections but not a direct line, so I am always interested in them but never really researched them so a lot of my database on them is marked as "needing confirmed".  Since you mentioned Dorothy Gauntt being left out of her parents wills, I finally found wills for Israel and Hannah Spencer and found this as new information that was helpful for me since the Spencer and Abernathy are families that tie into my Stewarts.  This Israel Gauntt was disowned from New Garden MM 1758  for marrying out of unity, but I do not see them as parents of your Dorothy.  Do you know for sure who her parents were or is that what you are trying to find out? His brother Zebulon is also at New Garden at this time 1760n just listed as "with children" and I have not found a list in Hinshaw for them.  ( I think this is your Zebulon but think there is a general difference of opinion about "Dorothy" and " Joshua Teague") Next reference in New Garden is Samuel Kelly and wife Susannah in 1809, 1810 dis of Bush River and 1814 back at New Hope MM in Tenn. Israel and Zebulon both were members of New Burlington MM before New Garden I show the following as children of Zebulon: Maria m Thomas Jenkins; Samuel m Abigail Kelly; Zimri m Sarah Cook; Nebo m Sarah Brooks and Judith Wright; Sarah m Henry Hollingworth.  And I have a second wife for Zebulon, Mary Evans.  Most all of this needs confirmed but a lot of these end up married to my family. I have a Joshua Teague who married a Dorothy but I have her down as a Caldwell.  The Bush River Teague that I do have is an Elijah married Alice Leavell and brother to Joshua.  I have their parents as William and Isabell Loftin.  They are in my database because of my interest in the McDaniels.  (there is a connection that ends in Bush River but not relevant and lengthy). Basically, I am very interested in the Regulators movement and that Jesse Pugh who has hung is not really identified.  For years, he was thought to be the Jesse that has since been proven to have died years later in Alabama. My "theory " is that there was two Jesse Pugh's, not that complicated LOL and the one that was hung may not have left descendents and therefore remains not researched. Since your Joshua Teague seems to have survived his "outlaw" status, I have to wonder why. (Yes, I was one of those "why" kids and got the payback with six of my own).  Now this is a wild theory... IF Dorothy was a Caldwell and not a Teague and Rev David Caldwell was a big mediator of the trial of the Regulators and a friend of Gov Tyron, maybe she was related and if they "left" the area, he would not get hung!  Now I wonder how long it will take on the internet for that to become a fact. Scary! A more sane perspective is that I find no Teagues at New Garden so I would assume that if Joshua Teague had been Quaker it had to before he lived in NC, nor do I find any Gauntt's or Caldwells. (various spellings). Also, some of the very early Quakers in some colonies like Md chose to join the Church of England because if they did not, they could not own land, other chose to migrate to colonies where these English laws were not being enforced.  I do think that this "distaste" for English law under which many Quakers were persecuted in England and then had to choose to move to the colonies prevailed for generations and were likely a big factor in the actual Regulator movement.  Many had left the Quaker church years before and many still had family members that were still members.  Quakers did not shun a person after they were disowned and often allowed them to come back so family ties could remain strong even when they were no longer in the same "church". Quakers came here for "freedom from English persecution" oft times, so I think there was a basic need to resist as best they could the English laws. Here is something I found online that is worth keeping.  I think I would start by seeing if I could find just what "church" all of these outlaws attended.  Jesse Pugh is not listed so was he really hung? A PROCLAMATION:         "Whereas / have been in formed that many persons who have been         concerned in the late Rebellion are desirous of submitting         themselves to the Government, I do therefore give notice that         every person who will come in either to mine or General         Waddell's camp, lay down their arms and take the oath of         Allegiance and promise to pay all taxes that are now due or may         hereafter become due by them respectively and submit to the law         of this Country, shall have his Majesty's most gracious and free         pardon for all Treasons, Insurrections and Rebellings done or         committed, on or before the 16th of May last, provided they make         their submission afore said on or before the tenth of July next. The following persons are however excluded from the benefits of this Proclamation, viz, all the outlaws, the prisoners, all those concerned in the blowing up of General Waddell's ammunition in Mecklenburg County, and the undernamed persons, to wit: Samuel Jones     *_Joshua Teague_*     Samuel Waggoner Simon Dunn, Jr.     Abraham Greson     Benjamin Merrill <http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrevwar/ncrev_story.htm#benjamin> James Wilkerson     Edward Smith     John Bumpas Joseph Boring     William Rankin     William Robeson John Winkler     John Wilcox     Jacob Felton Thomas Persons         Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the Province, this 11th day June, A. Dom. 1771. On 6/25/2012 3:44 AM, Martha wrote: > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt >        Hananiah Gauntt >          Zebulon Gauntt >          Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague >            Sophia Teague + John Lyon >            Polly Lyon + (James) Carden >              JHR Carden + Eliza Dean >              William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher >                Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams >                Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:10:15 -0400 From: "Will Miller" <willmiller41@embarqmail.com> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Milhous To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8D1D703DA3FD4B69B155B5BA34726EFE@WillPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Does anyone on this list have Milhous information? I think that they mostly attended the Cane Creek and Wateree MM. 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As far as I know, all the original Quaker records of NC are at Guilford College Archives and can be accessed there. I had an ancestor's 2nd husband, who, in the Hinshaw transcription, is said to have been disowned--with no explanation. A cousin of mine went to Guilford and went thru the original minutes and found several entries which preceded the disownment. The story was that this man's wife had gone on a long trip to visit a married daughter and was gone for a period of time. During this time her husband had a young woman keeping house for him & whatever family was there. Anyway, he got the young woman pregnant and that is why he was disowned! When Hinshaw was given permission from Quakers in NC to abstract the genealogy info from their old records, one condition that they made of Hinshaw was that he would not publish any negative/derogatory info! On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> wrote: > There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test. > The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, > but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of > which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to > daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who > could submit a DNA test sample). > > The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was > disowned.  The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not > include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of > Cane Creek MM.  The original book is the property of the North Carolina > Yearly Meeting.  I expect that you could contact them to find out how to > get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801.  After all, we don't "know" > that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's > just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far. > The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know > what--if anything--you could do next. > > If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of > wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of > Union Co SC.  I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I > haven't seen them myself.  The Minutes of the County Court (including > bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and > you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan.  However, > those records go only through 1799.  A member of the Union Co SC > RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805.  The > bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth.  The > father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was > required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay > child support.  Those bonds went into the public records, naming the > father and the child, and usually the mother as well. > > Harriet Imrey > > On 6/26/2012 5:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: >> brenda,  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Thanks for the suggestion. >> Sue Hunt besecker >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell<sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: >> Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. >> >> Brenda >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >>   From: Sue Besecker<suebee848@gmail.com> >> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >> >> to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My >> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were >> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >> married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >> unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >> descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >> church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't >> affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >> go to. >> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >> Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that >> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we >> would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept >> are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995

Very interesting. I noticed the name Bowman. I have a friend with the last name Bowman. His name is Dan. His mother very recently passed, Bonnie. He has a sister Rebecca any chance you are related? Seguin Texas is where they are from. Dan and Rebecca live on different coastal states.   Robert.   ________________________________ From: Joyce Bowman <jeobowman@gmail.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Elijah Hunt's father     As far as I know, all the original Quaker records of NC are at Guilford College Archives and can be accessed there.  I had an ancestor's 2nd husband, who, in the Hinshaw transcription, is said to have been disowned--with no explanation.  A cousin of mine went to Guilford and went thru the original minutes and found several entries which preceded the disownment.  The story was that this man's wife had gone on a long trip to visit a married daughter and was gone for a period of time.  During this time her husband had a young woman keeping house for him & whatever family was there.  Anyway, he got the young woman pregnant and that is why he was disowned!     When Hinshaw was given permission from Quakers in NC to abstract the genealogy info from their  old records, one condition that they made of Hinshaw was that he would not publish any negative/derogatory info! On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> wrote: > There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test. > The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, > but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of > which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to > daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who > could submit a DNA test sample). > > The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was > disowned.  The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not > include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of > Cane Creek MM.  The original book is the property of the North Carolina > Yearly Meeting.  I expect that you could contact them to find out how to > get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801.  After all, we don't "know" > that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's > just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far. > The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know > what--if anything--you could do next. > > If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of > wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of > Union Co SC.  I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I > haven't seen them myself.  The Minutes of the County Court (including > bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and > you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan.  However, > those records go only through 1799.  A member of the Union Co SC > RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805.  The > bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth.  The > father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was > required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay > child support.  Those bonds went into the public records, naming the > father and the child, and usually the mother as well. > > Harriet Imrey > > On 6/26/2012 5:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: >> brenda,  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Thanks for the suggestion. >> Sue Hunt besecker >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell<sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: >> Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. >> >> Brenda >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >>   From: Sue Besecker<suebee848@gmail.com> >> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >> >> to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My >> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were >> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >> married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >> unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >> descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >> church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't >> affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >> go to. >> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >> Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that >> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we >> would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept >> are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman 7877 Beanblossom Circle Indianapolis, IN 46256-1637 (317) 849-0995 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was thinking the same thing so I will jump here and hope you'all don't mind. I actually went to the "Hunt" DNA project to see if there was a "Ralph" of that time period already identified as the "eldest know relative" but I did not find one. My Ralph does not qualify or he would do it for you in a minute, You need a son of the original Ralph Hunt who has a son> who has a son> all the way to a living male descendent. He of course descends from later children and so Catherine Hunt is his ancestral grandmother . You need to find her brother's descendents (all male) for it to work. I do not have the Hunt line that defined in my database. My Ralph (my sister's husband who is a descendent) is typical in that he was most interested in the Magee line and the Penney line was done and I have gone no further as he seemed satisfied. If you find a male to male (starting with Catherine's father or one of her brothers) all the way to the present, it will not tell if they match other Hunts. If not, you will give have the surname of those males that have identical DNA and then will have to look to see who with that surname lived in her area and could have been the father of her child. We have no idea what occurred. Women married very young etc so it is all up to conjecture. I have two line that DNA has revealed when there was one a previous marriage most likely even though the bride was young and the child was raised with second's husbands surname and another where they were reprimanded and thrown out of church (not Quaker but Angilcan) and the Dna has proven that there was an "affair" and the child was raised with her first married name and she did marry the father after the first husband died (don't know if there is a stoy there !) The only issue is that if the DNA comes back and it not the "Hunt" surname, the male that you talked into being tested will need to know that there is a possibility that he is not really a "Hunt". This can be really difficult for some men to find out that they are not who they thought they were. I talked my neighbor into being tested for one of my family names, never thinking about the possibility that he would not "match" others with the same surname and I still have not told him the results after 5 years because I can not bring myself to tell him that he is actually from a completely different family and that a grandpa is not really a grandpa. It is fine with some people and they are glad to find out but I would be sure first. On 6/26/2012 6:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: > brenda, I'm not sure how to go about that. Thanks for the suggestion. > Sue Hunt besecker > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Has anyone ever done the DNA test? This might could tell you what line, >> but not necessarily what father for the baby. >> >> Brenda >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> >> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >> >> to Robert Cooper, Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting. My >> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons". She and 4 of her siblings who were >> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >> married Thomas Penny. So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >> unwed mother. Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >> descendants) are not Quakers. My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >> church. My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic. So my grandfather wasn't >> affillated with any religion. My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >> go to. >> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >> Elijah. We'll never know who his real father was. We know that >> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt. we >> would like to find who Ralph's father was. The Quaker ideas and concept >> are very interesting to me. Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> Robert, >>> >>> I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this >>> posting for details: >>> >>> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 >>> Joy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Cooper >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM >>> To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >>> >>> 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper >>> 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper >>> 8.4.2 Mary Cooper >>> 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper >>> 8.4.4 Julie Cooper >>> 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker >>> 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper >>> 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test. The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who could submit a DNA test sample). The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was disowned. The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of Cane Creek MM. The original book is the property of the North Carolina Yearly Meeting. I expect that you could contact them to find out how to get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801. After all, we don't "know" that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far. The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know what--if anything--you could do next. If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of Union Co SC. I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I haven't seen them myself. The Minutes of the County Court (including bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan. However, those records go only through 1799. A member of the Union Co SC RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805. The bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth. The father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay child support. Those bonds went into the public records, naming the father and the child, and usually the mother as well. Harriet Imrey On 6/26/2012 5:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: > brenda, I'm not sure how to go about that. Thanks for the suggestion. > Sue Hunt besecker > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell<sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: > Has anyone ever done the DNA test? This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. > > Brenda > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sue Besecker<suebee848@gmail.com> > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > to Robert Cooper, Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting. My > 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker > MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons". She and 4 of her siblings who were > also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they > moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) > married Thomas Penny. So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an > unwed mother. Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's > descendants) are not Quakers. My grandfather (Ottwell) married my > granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the > church. My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by > his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic. So my grandfather wasn't > affillated with any religion. My grandparents had 15 children and the ones > who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to > go to. > We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from > Elijah. We'll never know who his real father was. We know that > Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt. we > would like to find who Ralph's father was. The Quaker ideas and concept > are very interesting to me. Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker

brenda, I'm not sure how to go about that. Thanks for the suggestion. Sue Hunt besecker On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: > Has anyone ever done the DNA test? This might could tell you what line, > but not necessarily what father for the baby. > > Brenda > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > to Robert Cooper, Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting. My > 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker > MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons". She and 4 of her siblings who were > also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they > moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) > married Thomas Penny. So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an > unwed mother. Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's > descendants) are not Quakers. My grandfather (Ottwell) married my > granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the > church. My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by > his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic. So my grandfather wasn't > affillated with any religion. My grandparents had 15 children and the ones > who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to > go to. > We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from > Elijah. We'll never know who his real father was. We know that > Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt. we > would like to find who Ralph's father was. The Quaker ideas and concept > are very interesting to me. Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > > > Robert, > > > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this > > posting for details: > > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > > > Joy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Cooper > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper > > 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper > > 8.4.2 Mary Cooper > > 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper > > 8.4.4 Julie Cooper > > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker > > 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper > > 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Never knew that, and never heard of that.  Interesting. Brenda ________________________________ From: Harriet Imrey <hhimrey@gmail.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Elijah Hunt's father There are a few things you could try before considering a yDNA test.  The testing in this case is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, but more like a needle in one of several hundred haystacks--some of which have disappeared already (i.e., many paternal lines manage to daughter-out over time, so there is no same-named male descendant who could submit a DNA test sample). The first step is to find out the reason that Christianna Hunt was disowned.  The abstracted information published by Hinshaw does not include the details that were written down in the Women's Minutes of Cane Creek MM.  The original book is the property of the North Carolina Yearly Meeting.  I expect that you could contact them to find out how to get a copy of the minutes for 20 Jun 1801.  After all, we don't "know" that Christianna was disowned because of an untimely pregnancy--that's just the simplest explanation that fits all the facts we know so far.  The reason for disownment would need to be verified before you'd know what--if anything--you could do next. If the minutes say that she was disowned for having a child out of wedlock, then the place to look for the father is the bastardy bonds of Union Co SC.  I'm pretty sure that those records still exist, although I haven't seen them myself.  The Minutes of the County Court (including bastardy bonds) were collected and published by Brent H. Holcomb, and you could probably locate the book through inter-library loan.  However, those records go only through 1799.  A member of the Union Co SC RootsWeb List might know how to locate those for, say, 1800-1805.  The bonds were not necessarily posted immediately following a birth.  The father was responsible for support of an illegitimate child, and was required to post a bond with the county to guarantee that he would pay child support.  Those bonds went into the public records, naming the father and the child, and usually the mother as well. Harriet Imrey

Yes, but where was the affair, it could have been many generations up.  And I know looking at the orphan train records, when parents died and left a child with no one, someone adopted them, and gave them a new name.  So if an ancestor was an orphan, they could have different lineage than the family who adopted them.  Sometimes a family member took them in, but many times a friend of the family.  Unless you had DNA from a gg grandfather, you would not know where the line changed. Some of the orphan train records show prior names as well as new names.  Not all children were on the trains that were sent out looking for parents, some were adopted locally, but still found those records called orphan trains. It was a possibility for an orphan train for my Seth since his father died before he was born.  Where is his mother?  Did she die when he was born or a small child?  Possibly remarried, and Robinson is next husband's name, and we are not even Robinson's?  Questions, Questions. I would hesitate to tell a neighbor also. He would have to have siblings, cousins, etc tested to see if was him or further up the line.  Since my brother and I both took our looks after my dad's side of the family, I think I would be safe for him.  Now what happened further up the tree, unknown.  But when I see lots of early Robinson's pictures, I see a lot of family resemblances.  Maybe I should wait until my mom passes, then will not matter if it came out.  LOL Brenda ________________________________ From: Vivian <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? I was thinking the same thing so I will jump here and hope you'all don't mind.  I actually went to the "Hunt" DNA project to see if there was a "Ralph" of that time period already identified as the "eldest know relative" but I did not find one.  My Ralph does not qualify or he would do it for you in a minute,  You need a son of the original Ralph Hunt who has a son> who has a son> all the way to a living male descendent.  He of course descends from later children and so Catherine Hunt is his ancestral grandmother .  You need to find her brother's descendents (all male) for it to work.  I do not have the Hunt line that defined in my database.  My Ralph (my sister's husband who is a descendent)  is typical in that he was most interested in the Magee line and the Penney line was done and I have gone no further as he seemed satisfied. If you find a male to male (starting with Catherine's father or one of her brothers) all the way to the present, it will not tell if they match other Hunts.  If not, you  will give have the surname of those males that have identical DNA and then will have to look to see who with that surname lived in her area and could have been the father of her child.  We have no idea what occurred.  Women married very young etc so it is all up to conjecture.  I have two line that DNA has revealed when there was one a previous marriage most likely even though the bride was young and the child was raised with second's husbands surname and another where they were reprimanded and thrown out of church (not Quaker but Angilcan) and the Dna has proven that there was an "affair" and the child was raised with her first married name and she did marry the father after the first husband died (don't know if there is a stoy there !) The only issue is that if the DNA comes back and it not the "Hunt" surname, the male that you talked into being tested will need to know that there is a possibility that he is not really a "Hunt". This can be really difficult for some men to find out that they are not who they thought they were.  I talked my neighbor into being tested for one of my family names, never thinking about the possibility that he would not "match" others with the same surname and I still have not told him the results after 5 years because I can not bring myself to tell him that he is actually from a completely different family and that a grandpa is not really a grandpa.  It is fine with some people and they are glad to find out but I would be sure first. On 6/26/2012 6:26 PM, Sue Besecker wrote: > brenda,  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Thanks for the suggestion. > Sue Hunt besecker > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, >> but not necessarily what father for the baby. >> >> Brenda >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >>  From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> >> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >> >> to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My >> 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker >> MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were >> also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they >> moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) >> married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an >> unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's >> descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my >> granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the >> church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by >> his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't >> affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones >> who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to >> go to. >> We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from >> Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that >> Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we >> would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept >> are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> Robert, >>> >>> I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON.  Please see this >>> posting for details: >>> >>> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 >>> Joy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Cooper >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM >>> To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? >>> >>> 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper >>>  8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper >>>  8.4.2 Mary Cooper >>>  8.4.3 Hannah Cooper >>>  8.4.4 Julie Cooper >>> 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker >>>  8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper >>>  8.4.6 Sarah Cooper >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all who took the time to answer my queries about Quakers & Baptists in Newberry. Much valuable info. was shared and I really appreciate it. Martha -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sc-bushriverquakers-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 5:10 PM To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 73 "PLEASE NOTE: When replying to a digest message, please quote *only the specific portion* of message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to *change the subject* of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying." Today's Topics: 1. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Martha) 2. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Brenda Brazell) 3. Gauntt Cemetery (Judith F. Russell) 4. Re: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? (Vivian) 5. Milhous (Will Miller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:44:56 -0500 From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E107A2B82AE246F2B266C0B50DAE26B6@fourfdc6d4e8a6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively. 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt Hananiah Gauntt Zebulon Gauntt Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague Sophia Teague + John Lyon Polly Lyon + (James) Carden JHR Carden + Eliza Dean William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? To: "dixiepeanut@comcast.net" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net>, "sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com" <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1340616606.59153.YahooMailNeo@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Don't know that I am much help, but I know some children were left out of wills because they had already gotten their inheritance/dowry before the death of the parent.? Many times you would see older sons or married daughters not in wills.? They had already received theirs.? Another time I found some left out, one of the daughter's was disabled of some sort, so the bulk of the will left for her care.? As to the change of Quaker to Baptist, have you looked at whether they had slaves?? Many Quakers were disowned or whatever the term, because they had slaves and were not willing to let them go.? I was reading how some did not move to Ohio with the rest of the Quakers because they refused to give up their slaves.? I know I was reading in the Clinton, Ohio Quakers, that after the older ones passed away, many of the younger ones moved away, leaving the few Quakers behind, younger ones, to mainly now have friends in non Quakers, so the Quakers became non Quakers. I found a few listing of graves when I googled Quaker cemeteries in Union County, I wonder since my ancestors were listed as Fairfield County at one time, could they be there, or at the old site of Camden/Wateree area?? I will have to take time to go visit a bunch as they do not have listings to who are buried there though.? Will keep Gauntt and Teague in mind when goofing off one day and visiting them. Have you checked on findagrave.com?? They have some of the old Quaker burial sites on there. My line is Benson's with marriages to Clark, Campbell, Kelly, Evans and Paty. Brenda ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.? 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt ? ? ? Hananiah Gauntt ? ? ? ? Zebulon Gauntt? ? ? ? ? Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague ? ? ? ? ? Sophia Teague + John Lyon ? ? ? ? ? Polly Lyon + (James) Carden ? ? ? ? ? ? JHR Carden + Eliza Dean ? ? ? ? ? ? William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan? ? -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:16:49 -0400 From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Gauntt Cemetery To: <dixiepeanut@comcast.net>, <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7C67ADE115D34EF8BEFFEBF9D66B091D@judy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Listings for the Gauntt Cemetery (and 1000s of others) can be found at www.findagrave.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from > Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased > into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt > Hananiah Gauntt > Zebulon Gauntt > Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague > Sophia Teague + John Lyon > Polly Lyon + (James) Carden > JHR Carden + Eliza Dean > William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher > Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams > Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:35:14 -0400 From: Vivian <vivm2007@woh.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? To: dixiepeanut@comcast.net, sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4FE88532.4090405@woh.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Martha, I found this intriguing, so I had to study it a bit this morning. I started by looking at my database and then looking online. I have some Teague connections but not a direct line, so I am always interested in them but never really researched them so a lot of my database on them is marked as "needing confirmed". Since you mentioned Dorothy Gauntt being left out of her parents wills, I finally found wills for Israel and Hannah Spencer and found this as new information that was helpful for me since the Spencer and Abernathy are families that tie into my Stewarts. This Israel Gauntt was disowned from New Garden MM 1758 for marrying out of unity, but I do not see them as parents of your Dorothy. Do you know for sure who her parents were or is that what you are trying to find out? His brother Zebulon is also at New Garden at this time 1760n just listed as "with children" and I have not found a list in Hinshaw for them. ( I think this is your Zebulon but think there is a general difference of opinion about "Dorothy" and " Joshua Teague") Next reference in New Garden is Samuel Kelly and wife Susannah in 1809, 1810 dis of Bush River and 1814 back at New Hope MM in Tenn. Israel and Zebulon both were members of New Burlington MM before New Garden I show the following as children of Zebulon: Maria m Thomas Jenkins; Samuel m Abigail Kelly; Zimri m Sarah Cook; Nebo m Sarah Brooks and Judith Wright; Sarah m Henry Hollingworth. And I have a second wife for Zebulon, Mary Evans. Most all of this needs confirmed but a lot of these end up married to my family. I have a Joshua Teague who married a Dorothy but I have her down as a Caldwell. The Bush River Teague that I do have is an Elijah married Alice Leavell and brother to Joshua. I have their parents as William and Isabell Loftin. They are in my database because of my interest in the McDaniels. (there is a connection that ends in Bush River but not relevant and lengthy). Basically, I am very interested in the Regulators movement and that Jesse Pugh who has hung is not really identified. For years, he was thought to be the Jesse that has since been proven to have died years later in Alabama. My "theory " is that there was two Jesse Pugh's, not that complicated LOL and the one that was hung may not have left descendents and therefore remains not researched. Since your Joshua Teague seems to have survived his "outlaw" status, I have to wonder why. (Yes, I was one of those "why" kids and got the payback with six of my own). Now this is a wild theory... IF Dorothy was a Caldwell and not a Teague and Rev David Caldwell was a big mediator of the trial of the Regulators and a friend of Gov Tyron, maybe she was related and if they "left" the area, he would not get hung! Now I wonder how long it will take on the internet for that to become a fact. Scary! A more sane perspective is that I find no Teagues at New Garden so I would assume that if Joshua Teague had been Quaker it had to before he lived in NC, nor do I find any Gauntt's or Caldwells. (various spellings). Also, some of the very early Quakers in some colonies like Md chose to join the Church of England because if they did not, they could not own land, other chose to migrate to colonies where these English laws were not being enforced. I do think that this "distaste" for English law under which many Quakers were persecuted in England and then had to choose to move to the colonies prevailed for generations and were likely a big factor in the actual Regulator movement. Many had left the Quaker church years before and many still had family members that were still members. Quakers did not shun a person after they were disowned and often allowed them to come back so family ties could remain strong even when they were no longer in the same "church". Quakers came here for "freedom from English persecution" oft times, so I think there was a basic need to resist as best they could the English laws. Here is something I found online that is worth keeping. I think I would start by seeing if I could find just what "church" all of these outlaws attended. Jesse Pugh is not listed so was he really hung? A PROCLAMATION: "Whereas / have been in formed that many persons who have been concerned in the late Rebellion are desirous of submitting themselves to the Government, I do therefore give notice that every person who will come in either to mine or General Waddell's camp, lay down their arms and take the oath of Allegiance and promise to pay all taxes that are now due or may hereafter become due by them respectively and submit to the law of this Country, shall have his Majesty's most gracious and free pardon for all Treasons, Insurrections and Rebellings done or committed, on or before the 16th of May last, provided they make their submission afore said on or before the tenth of July next. The following persons are however excluded from the benefits of this Proclamation, viz, all the outlaws, the prisoners, all those concerned in the blowing up of General Waddell's ammunition in Mecklenburg County, and the undernamed persons, to wit: Samuel Jones *_Joshua Teague_* Samuel Waggoner Simon Dunn, Jr. Abraham Greson Benjamin Merrill <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Encrevwar/ncrev_story.htm#benjamin> James Wilkerson Edward Smith John Bumpas Joseph Boring William Rankin William Robeson John Winkler John Wilcox Jacob Felton Thomas Persons Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the Province, this 11th day June, A. Dom. 1771. On 6/25/2012 3:44 AM, Martha wrote: > RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions > arose ... > > > 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to > Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker > to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until > today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are > still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as > important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my > Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of > Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 > respectively. > > 2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the > 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into > SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon > on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy > 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? > > 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or > other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in > Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? > > > I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible > theory... > > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > =========================== > > FROM: Peter Gaunt > Hananiah Gauntt > Zebulon Gauntt > Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague > Sophia Teague + John Lyon > Polly Lyon + (James) Carden > JHR Carden + Eliza Dean > William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher > Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams > Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:10:15 -0400 From: "Will Miller" <willmiller41@embarqmail.com> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Milhous To: <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8D1D703DA3FD4B69B155B5BA34726EFE@WillPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Does anyone on this list have Milhous information? I think that they mostly attended the Cane Creek and Wateree MM. Will Miller ------------------------------ End of SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 73 **************************************************

You are very knowlegable about religion and I enoyed reading what you sent. I intend to do more reseach on my family and the Quakers. I find it facsinating. We were disappointed about Christianna, having her son (my 5 grandfather) out of wedlock but we'll never know for sure. Sue On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Robert Cooper <henspert@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Sue, > > Thanks for sharing that. I have to say when I read family members who were > disowned, I feel a sense of pain for them and all who are related. > > I like to use a comparison, When some one is excommunicated from the > mormon church they have a lot of pain, anxiety, despair and sense of > condemnation. I have met mormons and later found some relatives married > into coopers during 20th century were/are mormons. The experience that I > have heard during such an alienation sends them into areas where use of > alcohol then surges amongst them and the children then learn that > consumption is a part of their social fabric. > > My Grandfather Robert Henspert Cooper, I am the RHC III had a second wife > and she born 1903 was placed directly into the sexual revolution, alcohol > use augmentation, and other behavioral sets. My Grandmother Lucielle, died > of alcoholism as I understand it. I was about 7 when she passed and not > cognisant to ask questions. > > Another area of influence on Quakers was the Womens Movement to gain the > right to Vote. In "Not for Ourselves Alone, the Story of Elizabeth Cady > Stanton and Susan B. Anthony," there are clues to how Quakers were > influenced. In pursuit of the right to Vote, Quakers became involved with > Non-Quakers. There is a merge of ideas in respect to interacting with > Ritualistic based Christians and Quakers who In My Opinion wisely studied > Christianity and found that all were forms of practice to come after > Christ. Even when Christ met John the Baptist, as I see it, Christ only was > a patron of John. Just as Christ was a patron of psychics. Furthermore, > Baptism is a revived practice of Old Judaic Ritual. John Revived Baptism. > Again, it is at best an outward form or rite towards receiving the Holy > Ghost or Spirit of the Lord to dwell in ones Heart. (Baptism of Fire) > > This merge for the attainment of Women to Vote tore at the fabric or > content of Quaker Findings of Christ or Christianity. > > We also have to look at Martin Luther, He studied and toiled in his > religious experience of "Seeking Truth". He found it in reading many > versions of the Bible. Protestants today champion reading the Bible, as it > is their Founders Source of Removing all the untruths that Rome infused > into Christianity commencing during the Third Century. > > It takes Centuries and millenia to unravel single historic events. What > would our code look like if Africa had the ability to write abundantly? > There is the where the foundations of Judaic-Old Testament code lies. > > Any Bible offered can lead one to their spiritual experience but a Bible > is by no means Religion itself! Being Religious is an action of Self with > God. There are forms of worship and connectivity with God. Reading can > assist ones experience on their religious path but Anyone can ensue a > Religous Path with no Book at all Again, just as George Fox mentioned > During his "Openings" period. > > I must close for now as I am to prepare for work. > > Enjoy your day, > > robert cooper > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> > To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > to Robert Cooper, Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting. My > 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker > MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons". She and 4 of her siblings who were > also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they > moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) > married Thomas Penny. So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an > unwed mother. Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's > descendants) are not Quakers. My grandfather (Ottwell) married my > granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the > church. My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by > his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic. So my grandfather wasn't > affillated with any religion. My grandparents had 15 children and the ones > who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to > go to. > We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from > Elijah. We'll never know who his real father was. We know that > Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt. we > would like to find who Ralph's father was. The Quaker ideas and concept > are very interesting to me. Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > > > Robert, > > > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this > > posting for details: > > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > > > Joy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Cooper > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper > > 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper > > 8.4.2 Mary Cooper > > 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper > > 8.4.4 Julie Cooper > > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker > > 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper > > 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

to Robert Cooper, Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting. My 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons". She and 4 of her siblings who were also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) married Thomas Penny. So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an unwed mother. Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's descendants) are not Quakers. My grandfather (Ottwell) married my granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the church. My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic. So my grandfather wasn't affillated with any religion. My grandparents had 15 children and the ones who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to go to. We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from Elijah. We'll never know who his real father was. We know that Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt. we would like to find who Ralph's father was. The Quaker ideas and concept are very interesting to me. Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Robert, > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this > posting for details: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Cooper > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper > 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper > 8.4.2 Mary Cooper > 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper > 8.4.4 Julie Cooper > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker > 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper > 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone ever done the DNA test?  This might could tell you what line, but not necessarily what father for the baby. Brenda ________________________________ From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to go to. We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Robert, > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON.  Please see this > posting for details: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Cooper > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper >  8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper >  8.4.2 Mary Cooper >  8.4.3 Hannah Cooper >  8.4.4 Julie Cooper > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker >  8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper >  8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue,   Thanks for sharing that. I have to say when I read family members who were disowned, I feel a sense of pain for them and all who are related.   I like to use a comparison, When some one is excommunicated from the mormon church they have a lot of pain, anxiety, despair and sense of condemnation. I have met mormons and later found some relatives married into coopers during 20th century were/are mormons. The experience that I have heard during such an alienation sends them into areas where use of alcohol then surges amongst them and the children then learn that consumption is a part of their social fabric.   My Grandfather Robert Henspert Cooper, I am the RHC III had a second wife and she born 1903 was placed directly into the sexual revolution, alcohol use augmentation, and other behavioral sets. My Grandmother Lucielle, died of alcoholism as I understand it. I was about 7 when she passed and not cognisant to ask questions.   Another area of influence on Quakers was the Womens Movement to gain the right to Vote. In "Not for Ourselves Alone, the Story of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony," there are clues to how Quakers were influenced. In pursuit of the right to Vote, Quakers became involved with Non-Quakers. There is a merge of ideas in respect to interacting with Ritualistic based Christians and Quakers who In My Opinion wisely studied Christianity and found that all were forms of practice to come after Christ. Even when Christ met John the Baptist, as I see it, Christ only was a patron of John. Just as Christ was a patron of psychics. Furthermore, Baptism is a revived practice of Old Judaic Ritual. John Revived Baptism. Again, it is at best an outward form or rite towards receiving the Holy Ghost or Spirit of the Lord to dwell in ones Heart. (Baptism of Fire)   This merge for the attainment of Women to Vote tore at the fabric or content of Quaker Findings of Christ or Christianity.   We also have to look at Martin Luther, He studied and toiled in his religious experience of "Seeking Truth". He found it in reading many versions of the Bible. Protestants today champion reading the Bible, as it is their Founders Source of Removing all the untruths that Rome infused into Christianity commencing during the Third Century.   It takes Centuries and millenia to unravel single historic events. What would our code look like if Africa had the ability to write abundantly? There is the where the foundations of Judaic-Old Testament code lies.   Any Bible offered can lead one to their spiritual experience but a Bible is by no means Religion itself! Being Religious is an action of Self with God. There are forms of worship and connectivity with God. Reading can assist ones experience on their religious path but Anyone can ensue a Religous Path with no Book at all Again, just as George Fox mentioned During his "Openings" period.   I must close for now as I am to prepare for work.   Enjoy your day,   robert cooper   ________________________________ From: Sue Besecker <suebee848@gmail.com> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? to Robert Cooper,  Your explanation Of Quakerism was very interesting.  My 4 great grandmother Christianna Hunt was disowned by the BushRiver quaker MM around 1801 for "unknown reasons".  She and 4 of her siblings who were also disowned because they "married out" went to Davies Co., Ky. later they moved to Miami Co., Ohio where Christianna with her 6 year old son(Elijah) married Thomas Penny.  So we have come to the conclusion Christianna was an unwed mother.  Elijah was born 12-18-1800. So my family (Elijah's descendants) are not Quakers.  My grandfather (Ottwell) married my granmother who was German Baptists, but they were not active in the church.  My grandfather was orphaned at the age of 10, and was raised by his sister and her husband a Roman Catholic.  So my grandfather wasn't affillated with any religion.  My grandparents had 15 children and the ones who went to church made their own choices as to what church they wanted to go to. We are the only branch of Hunts in this area and we all derived from Elijah.  We'll never know who his real father was.  We know that Christianna's parents were Ralph(1738 NJ) and Rachel Campbell Hunt.  we would like to find who Ralph's father was.  The Quaker ideas and concept are very interesting to me.  Thank you Sueellen Hunt Besecker On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joy King <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > Robert, > > I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON.  Please see this > posting for details: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 > > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Cooper > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM > To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? > > 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper >  8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper >  8.4.2 Mary Cooper >  8.4.3 Hannah Cooper >  8.4.4 Julie Cooper > 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker >  8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper >  8.4.6 Sarah Cooper > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, I believe Nathan Cooper's 1st wife was Sarah MINTON. Please see this posting for details: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS/2012-03/1332880775 Joy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Cooper Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:38 AM To: Brenda Brazell ; sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper 8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper 8.4.2 Mary Cooper 8.4.3 Hannah Cooper 8.4.4 Julie Cooper 8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker 8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper 8.4.6 Sarah Cooper

Brenda,   I have a Clark I am wondering if we have the same?  8.William Jacob Cooper       b. Bucks Co PA Mar 1 1730 - Sept 8 1781 or June 23 1775 Elizabeth Lidy Lydia Clarkb. July 16 1735 in RI Died 1810 Padgette Creek 11 ChildrenBorn Makefield Bucks Co PA Died: 8 Sept 1781 Union SC at age 51 Buried: Union SC Marriage in Bucks Co 1752 Elizabethdaughter of Joseph Clark and Elizabeth, (Elizabeth Clark was born on 16 Jul 1735 in RI died in 1810 in PADGETTE CREEK UNION CO SC and was buried in Union SC) William Sr. died at Padgett’s Creek June 23 1775 in Union County? Two dates for passinghttp://www.ronsattic.com/quaker.htm http://genealogytrails.com/scar/newberry/bush_river_quakers.htm http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Ronald-O-Thompson-TX/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0039.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prsjr/families/sc/cooper/william1.htm Nathan’s Children 8.1Jacob Cooper b: 1753 Children are born in PA 8.2William Cooper Jr.  b: 1756 Bucks Co PA horseman in Captain Mapp’s Company Revolutionary War and in Captain McBee’s Company Roebuck’s Regiment in 1782 8.3Stacey Cooper b 1757 – 1821 per Barnett Warren email He fought in Revolutionary War 8.4Nathan Cooper b: 1759 Union Co SC 1844 NC grave stone in SC 8.4w-a Sarah Cooper   8.4.1 Abigail\Lydia Cooper   8.4.2 Mary Cooper   8.4.3 Hannah Cooper   8.4.4 Julie Cooper  8.4w-b Keziah M Crocker   8.4.5 Nathan W Cooper    8.4.6 Sarah Cooper 8.5Samuel Cooper b: 1761 - 1794 Union Co SC 8.6Jeremiah Cooper b: 1763 - 1795 Union Co SC 8.7Jonathan Cooper b: 1765 Union Co SC 8.8Sarah Cooper b: 1767 December 29 1842 Union Co SC Cooper Phillips Cemetery 8.8h Peter Phillips b 1761 Oct 12 1820 Union Co SC Cooper Phillips Cemetery   8.9.1William Phillips b July 15 1785   8.9.1w Margaret Whitten married in 1804   8.9.2 Jeremiah Phillips b ca. 1787 married   8.9.2w Abigail Cooper   8.9.3 Joseph Phillips b May 4 1790 d July 13, 1859 Wellington, Calhoun Co AL He had 15 Children   8.9.3w-a Elizabeth Pressley Sarah is her sister   8.9.3w-b Sarah Jane Pressley m1831 Joseph/Sarah buried Union Methodist Church Cemetery Wellington. 8.9David Cooper b: 1769 Union Co SC 8.10Joseph Cooper b: 1771 Union Co SC 8.11Hannah Cooper b 1773 Union Co SC  Robert ________________________________ From: Brenda Brazell <sugarplumabc@yahoo.com> To: "dixiepeanut@comcast.net" <dixiepeanut@comcast.net>; "sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com" <sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? Don't know that I am much help, but I know some children were left out of wills because they had already gotten their inheritance/dowry before the death of the parent.  Many times you would see older sons or married daughters not in wills.  They had already received theirs.  Another time I found some left out, one of the daughter's was disabled of some sort, so the bulk of the will left for her care.  As to the change of Quaker to Baptist, have you looked at whether they had slaves?  Many Quakers were disowned or whatever the term, because they had slaves and were not willing to let them go.  I was reading how some did not move to Ohio with the rest of the Quakers because they refused to give up their slaves.  I know I was reading in the Clinton, Ohio Quakers, that after the older ones passed away, many of the younger ones moved away, leaving the few Quakers behind, younger ones, to mainly now have friends in non Quakers, so the Quakers became non Quakers. I found a few listing of graves when I googled Quaker cemeteries in Union County, I wonder since my ancestors were listed as Fairfield County at one time, could they be there, or at the old site of Camden/Wateree area?  I will have to take time to go visit a bunch as they do not have listings to who are buried there though.  Will keep Gauntt and Teague in mind when goofing off one day and visiting them. Have you checked on findagrave.com?  They have some of the old Quaker burial sites on there. My line is Benson's with marriages to Clark, Campbell, Kelly, Evans and Paty. Brenda ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.  2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt        Hananiah Gauntt         Zebulon Gauntt           Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague           Sophia Teague + John Lyon            Polly Lyon + (James) Carden             JHR Carden + Eliza Dean              William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher               Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams                Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan    -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martha,   I have done some thinking about the same thing regarding my family and why they are no longer Quakers. There is quite a bit to that story.   1. Quakers were a bit challenging to stay in good standing or you werer disowned (dis). Some examples to follow:   Marry out of faith, fall in love with the wrong person who is not a Quaker and they do not convert-You are Out! Settle in South Carolina while the Revolutionary War breaks out and fight for your land-You are Out! Erect a tombstone that is not considered Quaker Humble, (over two feet tall)-You are Out! Own a slave after 1780-You are Out! There are other reasons why you can be dis or dis'ed or disowned. Reading Quaker Histroy will give quite a great story.   Around 1840's Quakers and the US started going through some social changes or awareness. Because of Slavery and Alcohol and a few other areas the country embarked upon a need for purity or cleansing. It culminated into the Holiness Movement. The end of the Civil War was the final event that weighed in hard. After abolition, The US was under the biggest guilt trip and people needed to feel their Salvation more than ever. Quakers and other denominations were obsessed with finding redemption through Scripture. David Updegraff is the most prolific person of that. He and other ministers pursued cleansing for self and the country that this is the defining moment of the Holiness Movement.   David  B. Updegraff, Quaker Holiness Preacher   http://books.google.com/books/about/David_B_Updegraff_Quaker_Holiness_preach.html?id=csYcAAAAMAAJ   One of the areas of Quakerism that I found to be awesome is they eliminated Ritual, Sacrament, Heirarchy and empowered the individual into a direct relationship/connection with God. Historically Christians were subject to Heirarchy and Contingent to performing Sacrament or Ritual. This history with Christians started when Rome and Christianity merged. Prior to that there was a more pure form of Religious Practice under Christianity.   David Updegraff would preach to people that they were in Sin and needed Redemption and prescribed their only way out is through Ritual of baptism by water, receiving the lord by asking him into your heart. David and others would scour their Bible for scripture that offered releif or redemption. The Civil War was the first major wave of converts. The South riddled with Guilt fell into the arms of feeling at ease as I only can imagine looking out at all the devastation, One would be trodden with Guilt and think over the Last 100 to 180 years of what a country the US was/is...   The next Wave of Conversion was after the 1920's Alcohol and the Sexual Revolution set forward mobile baptist. The Great Depression had many feeling Low and Guilty! Conversion again into Baptism forms of Christianity. (protestant based, bible based or scripture and Ritualistically based)   Quakers were historically against outward forms of ritual as the Act is actually a substitute for what The Lord or Spirit of the Lord is to do regardless. If one is true to their Inner Light, Then the Lord will come and reside in your heart. There is more here but I am to move into next point.   When any religion has a form of Ritual, Rite, Act it is really in place of the Event that physically happens at some point, "The Baptism of Fire" A burning of the Spirit of the Lord happens in Gods time according to each person. You can have water splashed all you want, you can eat wafers and drink wine all you want but those rites and sacraments are only Symbolic in seeking the Event of being Blessed with the Spirit of the Lord or Baptism of Fire.   Problems with Ritual-   Once an act or Ritual becomes, it then becomes a part of Requisite.   Once the it Becomes Required, it become a basis of Judgement.   Denominations today are in this very place, They will deem (Judge) that those not in accord with their Rites or Sacraments are Condemned to Hell!   Upon Review one can see that Chirst Father Gave! So, you can Live! All you have to do is Live true your heart, Follow your Heart and the Spirit of the Lord will enter. This is what George Fox taught.   So, my family has been through and experienced all of the above. I am the first on my line to have found Quakers. I am the first to Return to Quakerism. It is not without much social rife. As most of my family today are Baptist or some form of Ritualistic Protestant and Scripture based Religion. Scripture can lead one towards Spirituality but it is by no means Religion itself. Quakerism is the practice of Worshipping God in Silence and Receiving the Spirit in Silence. This is physically receiving Christ or our Daily Bread.   Wait in Silence and Know that I am the Lord. (That is mysticism, That is what Christ practiced)   Robert Cooper   I am on facebook as Robert Cowper if anyone would like to meet there. Cowper is Cooper. In England the name was Cowper.   http://www.facebook.com/#!/Henspert     ________________________________ From: Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> To: sc-bushriverquakers@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? RE: From Quaker to Baptist in Newberry ? While tracing my 5Gr-GP TEAGUE/GAUNTT in NC & SC, a few puzzling questions arose ... 1. My GAUNTT/TEAGUE family made a transition from Rowan Co, NC to Newberry/Laurens Co, SC abt.1765. I'm wondering if they changed from Quaker to Baptist then, or before that in Jersey Settlement, NC? From SC until today descendants of these branches of my family still remaining in AL are still predominately Baptist. The religious affiliation isn't really as important as knowing 'why the change'? It may be the answer as to why my Dorothy Gauntt, w/o-Joshua Teague, and s/o-Israel Gauntt (1725-1801) of Newberry, was left out of her mother & her father's wills in 1802 & 1804 respectively.  2. Was this circumstance caused by Joshua Teague's association w/ the 'Regulator Movement' in NC, whose members were either hanged or chased into SC a few years before the Battle of Alamance (1771) by Colonial Gov. Tryon on charges of "...inciting the populace to rebellion" ? Was Dorothy 'disowned' by her pacifist Quaker family bc/ of Joshua's stand? 3. Are any of these GAUNTTs or TEAGUEs buried in the Gauntt cemetery, or other cemeteries in Newberry that you know of; or could they be buried in Laurens Co, SC where they also lived by c.1780 ? I'm stumped, having tried many other 'theories'. If anyone has a plausible theory... Thanks, Martha =========================== FROM: Peter Gaunt       Hananiah Gauntt         Zebulon Gauntt          Dorothy Gauntt + Joshua Teague           Sophia Teague + John Lyon           Polly Lyon + (James) Carden             JHR Carden + Eliza Dean             William C. Carden + Nancy Fancher               Robert G. Carden + Leila M. Adams               Mary Lois Carden + Ray Sullivan    -----Original Message----- From: sc-bushriverquakers-bounces@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone on this list have Milhous information? I think that they mostly attended the Cane Creek and Wateree MM. Will Miller