Hi Mark: our list can not accept attachments...is that what you where trying to send? Thanks, JudyR, list admin ---- "Herbert wrote: > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > Caveats: NONE > > Hello all, > > I have been looking through my grandfather's old genealogy stuff and > found a reference to an old Herbert family bible. He said that the > bible was held by someone named Walter I. Herbert in or around Newberry. > There is also a transcripted family history that I only have the first > page of, done by a D. O. Herbert from Orangeburg, SC in December 1929. > I hope you don't mind me attaching it. Hopefully you can all read it. > Does anyone know of these people and the bible that my grandfather was > talking about? > > Mark Herbert > > > > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > Caveats: NONE > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane, I see Caleb and Jonathan GILBERT in my little book of QUAKERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA, Wateree and Bush River, Cane Creek, Pine Grove and Charleston Meetings, BUT, notes are taken from Annals of Newberry, of which I have both books. James Holloway POOL, brother to Dempsey and Mitchell POOL, m. Mary ROWE, d/o Benjamin ROWE and Ruth O'NEALL, d/o one of the Hugh O'NEALLS...so, we definitely have marriage connections to the Quaker O'NEALLS. Because of these ties, I am guessing it is possible we could be part of the Quaker POOLES of Bucks Co, PA. I can't go beyond John POOL (RS). Thanks for sharing. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "jane gilbert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] JANNEY/POOLE families of Bucks Co, PA > Audrey, > > This won't help you any, but just to let you know, we Gilbert > descendants descend from a Janney line of Pownall Fee, Chester Co., > England. I've not started digging into them much yet, but Elizabeth > Janney married Lawrence Pierson/Pearson, and at least one of their > children (Edward) settled in Bucks County. > > The Pearsons and Gilberts you find Bush River records are from this line. > > Jane > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Audrey E Pool <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have to take part again. Is there anyone on this List who is a >> descendant of the JANNEY/POOLE families? Only recently I've been taking >> a >> renewed interest in this POOLE family of Bucks Co, PA. >> Does this information say the JANNEYS moved to Delaware from PA? If >> so, did the POOLES likewise? If anyone is familiar with these families, >> please share. >> There is another family of Bucks County, PA that is seen on deeds >> with >> these POOLES. That name is GRAYDON/GRADON/GRADEN. >> I am really INTERESTED to learn more if someone knows more than I do. >> Thanks ahead of time, Audrey >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA >> >> >>> Oh, that is interesting. Thanks Phil! Here is what I found on a >>> http://www.waterfordhistory.org/ >>> >>>> It was in 1733 that Amos Janney with his wife Mary left their home at >>>> the falls of the Delaware in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and came to >>>> live in the almost uninhabited neighborhood of Waterford. Other >>>> Friends, learning of the good land "at the Pertomock" came in with >>>> Amos, or soon thereafter, and an "indulged" meeting for worship was >>>> held at his house. >>>> The first Friends, or Quaker, meeting house was built of logs at >>>> Waterford in 1741. However, it was not allowed to become a monthly >>>> meeting - and thus was on its own, until it had shown 11 satisfaction" >>>> to a committee from its various quarterly meetings. >>>> All tests were passed eventually and, in 1744, a monthly meeting was >>>> begun named Fairfax, taking this name from the county which had just >>>> been formed from Prince William. Just in time too, for six couples >>>> requested permission to marry at the first monthly meeting. >>>> Waterford was known as "The Town" in our early days and the distance >>>> members would travel to go to meeting was astonishing. All Loudoun >>>> Quakers at that time belonged to Fairfax Meeting and people from what >>>> are now the towns of Hillsboro, Hamilton, Lincoln, and Philomont were >>>> members of the meeting at Waterford. Like folks of today, however, >>>> they had to be prodded occasionally for nonattendance. The minutes of >>>> 1762 state that a committee was sent "to visit (them) to excite them >>>> to more diligence." >>>> To us of the meeting, these historical records are of use in acquiring >>>> information on the mores of the day and for genealogical data. Fairfax >>>> Meeting members were cautioned against "joining in light company for >>>> dancing;" "delt with" for drunkenness; "disowned" for adultery and >>>> fornication; a man was "reproved for taking off his hat at a court >>>> martial to gain favor with officer in charge;" another, attended to" >>>> for encouraging the visit of a man "not in our Society in Courtship of >>>> his daughter." A committee on "Spirituous Liquors" kept demon rum away >>>> from the door and by 1809 there were no Friends selling spirits. >>> >>> >>> There was also a photo. But your family information would fit well with >>> the above. I have forgotten where your Hawkins family was living in >>> SC. Marsha >>> >>> >>> Phil Hawkins wrote: >>> >>>>"So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >>>>there from Louden County." >>>> >>>> >>>>My Loudoun County, Fairfax MM, Hawkins (James & Martha (Hollowell) >>>>Hawkins >>>>and family were associated with Bush River for a short time until Cane >>>>Creek, SC was organized. They left VA about 1767. It would seem that >>>>maybe >>>>his brothers, William, John, Joseph, and Isaac, and sisters Mary and >>>>Hannah >>>>Hilton might have been located there in VA, but we have not found any >>>>records for them. They were all born in Bucks County PA. >>>> >>>>"It is said that James and family lived in Loudoun Co., VA, long enough >>>>to >>>>find that it was a good place to starve, this was by the records about >>>>12 >>>>years." >>>> >>>>Phil Hawkins, Administrator 10 June 2008 >>>>Hawkins Worldwide DNA Project >>>>Family Site: >>>>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/tree_g-1.html >>>> >>>>*** A 'Veteran' -- one who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a >>>>blank >>>>check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of >>>>'up >>>>to, and including their life.' *** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jane, Thanks. There is a Martha Ann GILBERT and Mary Elizabeth GILBERT, but Martha married a RAWLS, and M. E. GILBERT married Mitchell POOL, s/o John POOL (RS). One reason I asked about the GILBERTS has to do with a connection to an Andrew THOMAS family from Newberry County. John Robert THOMAS, b. 4 Dec 1799, Newberry District, SC, s/o Andrew THOMAS and Sarah ( ). J. R. THOMAS m. Dempsey POOL, d/o John POOL (RS) and Mahulda HOLLOWAY. Andrew THOMAS and Caleb GILBERT are right together listed on a Pettit Jury in Newberry, 1796. Andrew THOMAS is seen on deeds of Newberry with LAGRONES and HOUSEALS; both seen in our lineage. Mitchell and Dempsey POOL are siblings, children of John POOL (RS). Anyone related to these people? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "jane gilbert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] GILBERT & THOMAS families of Newberry > Hi Audrey, > > There were two Gilbert men from my line that are known to have settled > in Newbery...Jonathan and Caleb. Neither had daughters would have > been born in the right timeframe to have been John Pool's wife unless > he married excessively younger. They also had no daughters named > Mary. > > There is one remote possibility, though. Jonathan and Caleb had a > brother William who moved the Carolinas and died there along with his > wife. This information is found in his wife's father's and brother's > estate information in Bucks Co. William and his wife presumably had > a daughter named either Lydia or Mary depending on which account you > choose to believe. If the girl was still young when her parents > died, it's certainly reasonable to think she may have landed in > Newberry with her uncles. > > File #1103 Nov. 7, 1796 Samuel Fenton, Buckingham Twp. > > Died last June. Owned 150 acres. Left four sons: Randle, Ephraim, > Patrick and Thomas and daughter Mary, deceased, wife of William > Gilbert, deceased (left one daughter whose name is not certainly known > but believed to by Lydia, supposed to be living in some part of North > Carolina or South Carolina) and daughters Hannah, Martha and > Elizabeth. > > File #3907 Dec. 14, 1829 Thomas Fenton, Buckingham Twp. > > No issue but brother and sisters: Ephraim (deceased, eight children: > Samuel, Eleazer, James, William, Randall, Charles, Ephraim and > Thomas), Patrick, Martha, Hannah, Mary Gilbert (moved to North > Carolina, she and husband both reported deceased leaving one child > Mary). > > Jane > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Audrey E Pool <[email protected]> wrote: >> I keep seeing these names and know that both surnames appear in our POOL >> line. The Rev Sol John POOL, b. ca 1758, signed up for the War from >> Newberry...from his own words on his Pension. Mitchell POOL, s/o John >> POOL >> & Mahulda HOLLOWAY, m. a GILBERT girl. Could she be part of this GILBERT >> family? I think her name was Mary Elizabeth GILBERT. Thanks, Audrey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jane gilbert" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Thomas families who moved to Miami >> County,Ohio >> >> >>> Does anyone know of a connection between the Gilbert and the Thomas >>> familiy? I've seen a hn Thomas mentioned in quite a few records >>> involving the Gilberts. He may just have been a friend, but we have >>> some Gilbert daughters whose husbands are unidentified. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Wyatt, Susan D. >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Good job, Marsha! This is so interesting. Thanks for sharing. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Sue Wyatt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marsha >>>> moses >>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:56 PM >>>> To: bush river mail list >>>> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Thomas families who moved to Miami >>>> County,Ohio >>>> >>>> I had asked a question yesterday on a couple of mail lists...some of >>>> you >>>> >>>> did not hear the original question. But it had to do with the Thomas >>>> family that is found in Newberry County, SC before the mass migration >>>> of >>>> >>>> the Quaker families out of the south and into Indiana and Ohio in the >>>> first decade of the 1800's. >>>> Well, I managed to answer my own question today. I did not find >>>> Thomastown, Ohio on the map. But I did figure out where the Thomas >>>> families from Bush River moved in the early 1800's in Ohio. So I am >>>> guessing that Thomastown would have been somewhere in the western part >>>> of Miami County, Ohio. On page 351 of the Newberry Annals book the >>>> author says: >>>> >>>>> Of the Thomases who emigrated, several are not mentioned. They were >>>>> Abel, Isaac, John, William and Nehemiah.....the same may be said of >>>>> the Duncans who came here with them..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The 1810 census of Ohio is lost for most of the counties. So I did my >>>> looking on the 1820 census. All of these Thomas men are found in >>>> Randoph Township in Miami County, Ohio in the census. I feel that this >>>> is the right location because the only Nehemiah in all of Ohio is found >>>> in Randolph Township in Miami County, Ohio. >>>> >>>> Randolph Township does not still exist. But I was also able to solve >>>> that mystery: >>>> >>>>> The western part of the county, known as Randolph Township, lost its >>>>> name when it was broken up into townships. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Duncans seem to have been Isaac, Jesse, and Samuel Duncan and they >>>> settled in Union township according to the census of 1820. >>>> >>>> Union Township does exist today and it is the southern corner of the >>>> county on the west side. So it would have been just the southern part >>>> of what was originally Randolph Township. To see a map that explains >>>> that go to: >>>> >>>> http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/townships.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> By the way, Harriet was kind enough to correct my misinterpretation of >>>> who wrote this information in the Newberry Annals book. It was Mr. >>>> David Jones of Ohio who had been requested by Mr. John Chapman to write >>>> of the Newberry transplants in Ohio. The information was not from John >>>> Chapman who seemed to have remained in SC. >>>> >>>> I will write another e-mail or two sharing what I have found in >>>> information about Miami county Newberry transplants while trying to >>>> solve the mystery of Thomastown. >>>> >>>> Marsha Moses >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This pertains to a mailing dated 6/10/2008 from Jane. There is a question of where Jacob and Elizabeth/Ann Taylor Chandler may have come from before becoming members of Hopewell MM in Virginia. The Quakers first began settling in southern New Jersey in 1675 and by 1682 they were becoming well established in eastern Pennsylvania and in Delaware. Their families were large, and by 1720 or 1725 they were beginning to run out of space for their primarily agricultural economy. The Mennonites and Germans were taking up the territory to the west and north of Chester, Montgomery, and Bucks Couinties outside of Philadelphia, and the Scot-Irish were settling in middle Pennsylvania, and the Indians had control of the country farther west. Therefore, young Quaker families were relocating in northern Virginia, including Louden County, Frederick County, and in what is now Berkeley County, West Virginia. Those coming into Frederick and Berkely Counties tended to come down from southwestern Chester County through the Monoquesy Valley of western Maryland. It would appear to me that the Quakers who moved from Virginia to the Bush River area of South Carolina following the French and Indian War came primarily from the vicinity of Hopewll MM, which included a number of worship groups in Frederick and Berkeley Counties. This area had been disturbed by Inidan raids ca. 1756-1757. There was a Chandler family who were early settlers in Christiana Hundred, New Castle County, Delaware, near the boundary of Chester County in Pennsylvania. Jacob Chandler could well have been a member of this family. There is a large genealogy book, _ Record of the Descendants of George and Jane Chandler_, by the noted Quaker genealogist Gilbert Cope, which may trace this family. The book can often be found in large genealogical and Quaker libraries. ------ Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

Audrey, This won't help you any, but just to let you know, we Gilbert descendants descend from a Janney line of Pownall Fee, Chester Co., England. I've not started digging into them much yet, but Elizabeth Janney married Lawrence Pierson/Pearson, and at least one of their children (Edward) settled in Bucks County. The Pearsons and Gilberts you find Bush River records are from this line. Jane On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Audrey E Pool <[email protected]> wrote: > I have to take part again. Is there anyone on this List who is a > descendant of the JANNEY/POOLE families? Only recently I've been taking a > renewed interest in this POOLE family of Bucks Co, PA. > Does this information say the JANNEYS moved to Delaware from PA? If > so, did the POOLES likewise? If anyone is familiar with these families, > please share. > There is another family of Bucks County, PA that is seen on deeds with > these POOLES. That name is GRAYDON/GRADON/GRADEN. > I am really INTERESTED to learn more if someone knows more than I do. > Thanks ahead of time, Audrey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA > > >> Oh, that is interesting. Thanks Phil! Here is what I found on a >> http://www.waterfordhistory.org/ >> >>> It was in 1733 that Amos Janney with his wife Mary left their home at >>> the falls of the Delaware in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and came to >>> live in the almost uninhabited neighborhood of Waterford. Other >>> Friends, learning of the good land "at the Pertomock" came in with >>> Amos, or soon thereafter, and an "indulged" meeting for worship was >>> held at his house. >>> The first Friends, or Quaker, meeting house was built of logs at >>> Waterford in 1741. However, it was not allowed to become a monthly >>> meeting - and thus was on its own, until it had shown 11 satisfaction" >>> to a committee from its various quarterly meetings. >>> All tests were passed eventually and, in 1744, a monthly meeting was >>> begun named Fairfax, taking this name from the county which had just >>> been formed from Prince William. Just in time too, for six couples >>> requested permission to marry at the first monthly meeting. >>> Waterford was known as "The Town" in our early days and the distance >>> members would travel to go to meeting was astonishing. All Loudoun >>> Quakers at that time belonged to Fairfax Meeting and people from what >>> are now the towns of Hillsboro, Hamilton, Lincoln, and Philomont were >>> members of the meeting at Waterford. Like folks of today, however, >>> they had to be prodded occasionally for nonattendance. The minutes of >>> 1762 state that a committee was sent "to visit (them) to excite them >>> to more diligence." >>> To us of the meeting, these historical records are of use in acquiring >>> information on the mores of the day and for genealogical data. Fairfax >>> Meeting members were cautioned against "joining in light company for >>> dancing;" "delt with" for drunkenness; "disowned" for adultery and >>> fornication; a man was "reproved for taking off his hat at a court >>> martial to gain favor with officer in charge;" another, attended to" >>> for encouraging the visit of a man "not in our Society in Courtship of >>> his daughter." A committee on "Spirituous Liquors" kept demon rum away >>> from the door and by 1809 there were no Friends selling spirits. >> >> >> There was also a photo. But your family information would fit well with >> the above. I have forgotten where your Hawkins family was living in >> SC. Marsha >> >> >> Phil Hawkins wrote: >> >>>"So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >>>there from Louden County." >>> >>> >>>My Loudoun County, Fairfax MM, Hawkins (James & Martha (Hollowell) Hawkins >>>and family were associated with Bush River for a short time until Cane >>>Creek, SC was organized. They left VA about 1767. It would seem that maybe >>>his brothers, William, John, Joseph, and Isaac, and sisters Mary and >>>Hannah >>>Hilton might have been located there in VA, but we have not found any >>>records for them. They were all born in Bucks County PA. >>> >>>"It is said that James and family lived in Loudoun Co., VA, long enough to >>>find that it was a good place to starve, this was by the records about 12 >>>years." >>> >>>Phil Hawkins, Administrator 10 June 2008 >>>Hawkins Worldwide DNA Project >>>Family Site: >>>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/tree_g-1.html >>> >>>*** A 'Veteran' -- one who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank >>>check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up >>>to, and including their life.' *** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Audrey, There were two Gilbert men from my line that are known to have settled in Newbery...Jonathan and Caleb. Neither had daughters would have been born in the right timeframe to have been John Pool's wife unless he married excessively younger. They also had no daughters named Mary. There is one remote possibility, though. Jonathan and Caleb had a brother William who moved the Carolinas and died there along with his wife. This information is found in his wife's father's and brother's estate information in Bucks Co. William and his wife presumably had a daughter named either Lydia or Mary depending on which account you choose to believe. If the girl was still young when her parents died, it's certainly reasonable to think she may have landed in Newberry with her uncles. File #1103 Nov. 7, 1796 Samuel Fenton, Buckingham Twp. Died last June. Owned 150 acres. Left four sons: Randle, Ephraim, Patrick and Thomas and daughter Mary, deceased, wife of William Gilbert, deceased (left one daughter whose name is not certainly known but believed to by Lydia, supposed to be living in some part of North Carolina or South Carolina) and daughters Hannah, Martha and Elizabeth. File #3907 Dec. 14, 1829 Thomas Fenton, Buckingham Twp. No issue but brother and sisters: Ephraim (deceased, eight children: Samuel, Eleazer, James, William, Randall, Charles, Ephraim and Thomas), Patrick, Martha, Hannah, Mary Gilbert (moved to North Carolina, she and husband both reported deceased leaving one child Mary). Jane On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Audrey E Pool <[email protected]> wrote: > I keep seeing these names and know that both surnames appear in our POOL > line. The Rev Sol John POOL, b. ca 1758, signed up for the War from > Newberry...from his own words on his Pension. Mitchell POOL, s/o John POOL > & Mahulda HOLLOWAY, m. a GILBERT girl. Could she be part of this GILBERT > family? I think her name was Mary Elizabeth GILBERT. Thanks, Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jane gilbert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Thomas families who moved to Miami > County,Ohio > > >> Does anyone know of a connection between the Gilbert and the Thomas >> familiy? I've seen a hn Thomas mentioned in quite a few records >> involving the Gilberts. He may just have been a friend, but we have >> some Gilbert daughters whose husbands are unidentified. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jane >> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Wyatt, Susan D. >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Good job, Marsha! This is so interesting. Thanks for sharing. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sue Wyatt >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marsha >>> moses >>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:56 PM >>> To: bush river mail list >>> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Thomas families who moved to Miami >>> County,Ohio >>> >>> I had asked a question yesterday on a couple of mail lists...some of you >>> >>> did not hear the original question. But it had to do with the Thomas >>> family that is found in Newberry County, SC before the mass migration of >>> >>> the Quaker families out of the south and into Indiana and Ohio in the >>> first decade of the 1800's. >>> Well, I managed to answer my own question today. I did not find >>> Thomastown, Ohio on the map. But I did figure out where the Thomas >>> families from Bush River moved in the early 1800's in Ohio. So I am >>> guessing that Thomastown would have been somewhere in the western part >>> of Miami County, Ohio. On page 351 of the Newberry Annals book the >>> author says: >>> >>>> Of the Thomases who emigrated, several are not mentioned. They were >>>> Abel, Isaac, John, William and Nehemiah.....the same may be said of >>>> the Duncans who came here with them..... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The 1810 census of Ohio is lost for most of the counties. So I did my >>> looking on the 1820 census. All of these Thomas men are found in >>> Randoph Township in Miami County, Ohio in the census. I feel that this >>> is the right location because the only Nehemiah in all of Ohio is found >>> in Randolph Township in Miami County, Ohio. >>> >>> Randolph Township does not still exist. But I was also able to solve >>> that mystery: >>> >>>> The western part of the county, known as Randolph Township, lost its >>>> name when it was broken up into townships. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Duncans seem to have been Isaac, Jesse, and Samuel Duncan and they >>> settled in Union township according to the census of 1820. >>> >>> Union Township does exist today and it is the southern corner of the >>> county on the west side. So it would have been just the southern part >>> of what was originally Randolph Township. To see a map that explains >>> that go to: >>> >>> http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/townships.htm >>> >>> >>> By the way, Harriet was kind enough to correct my misinterpretation of >>> who wrote this information in the Newberry Annals book. It was Mr. >>> David Jones of Ohio who had been requested by Mr. John Chapman to write >>> of the Newberry transplants in Ohio. The information was not from John >>> Chapman who seemed to have remained in SC. >>> >>> I will write another e-mail or two sharing what I have found in >>> information about Miami county Newberry transplants while trying to >>> solve the mystery of Thomastown. >>> >>> Marsha Moses >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please be sure and answer the authors, not just our list. Thank you, JudyR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith F. Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Messages from the Quaker list >I am forwarding this set of messages that appeared on the Quaker list on to >our Bush River List, with the permission of the authors. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia A. Junkin" <[email protected]> > To: "Mark E. Dixon" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker families from Bush River to Ohio and Indiana > > >>I am particularly interested in the Bush River meeting, Padgett's >> Creek (at Sedalia) and Cane Creek (at Santuc). >> I am tracing a William Lee who died in 1796 in Union Co. SC. "Hatter" >> George Harlan was in his will. His son married Hannah Cooper daughter >> of William Cooper and Lydia Clark. Looking for connections to the >> Hollingsworths and Fincher. >> Thanks. >> Pat >> On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Mark E. Dixon wrote: >> >>>> My John and Elvira Cain Townsend left South Carolina and moved to >>>> Warren >>>> County Ohio, and later, Wayne County, Indiana. >>> >>> Not to go too far off on a tangent, but these messages reminded me >>> that my >>> Bush River "Cook" family intermarried with the Townsends. These >>> marriages >>> included two of the 11 children of Isaac Cook (1702-1773) and his >>> wife, Mary >>> Houghton (ca. 1712-1773), who seem to have moved to South Carolina >>> about >>> 1746. Their seventh child, Martha, was born in Chester County, PA, >>> about >>> 1745 and their eighth child, Mary, about 1747 in South Carolina. >>> >>> These Cook-Townsend marriages include: >>> >>> 1. Martha Cook to James Townsend, 6 April, 1775, at Cane Creek >>> 2. Amos Cook (ca. 1749-aft. 1803) to Elizabeth Townsend, 12 April, >>> 1775, at >>> Bush River >>> >>> I'm interested in details of both these marriages. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> P.S. I'm descended from Martha's and Amos' older brother, Eli Cook >>> (ca. >>> 1741-1828), who married Martha Hawkins at Bush River in 1772. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1495 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 >> 5:11 PM >> >> >

I am forwarding this set of messages that appeared on the Quaker list on to our Bush River List, with the permission of the authors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia A. Junkin" <[email protected]> To: "Mark E. Dixon" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker families from Bush River to Ohio and Indiana >I am particularly interested in the Bush River meeting, Padgett's > Creek (at Sedalia) and Cane Creek (at Santuc). > I am tracing a William Lee who died in 1796 in Union Co. SC. "Hatter" > George Harlan was in his will. His son married Hannah Cooper daughter > of William Cooper and Lydia Clark. Looking for connections to the > Hollingsworths and Fincher. > Thanks. > Pat > On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Mark E. Dixon wrote: > >>> My John and Elvira Cain Townsend left South Carolina and moved to >>> Warren >>> County Ohio, and later, Wayne County, Indiana. >> >> Not to go too far off on a tangent, but these messages reminded me >> that my >> Bush River "Cook" family intermarried with the Townsends. These >> marriages >> included two of the 11 children of Isaac Cook (1702-1773) and his >> wife, Mary >> Houghton (ca. 1712-1773), who seem to have moved to South Carolina >> about >> 1746. Their seventh child, Martha, was born in Chester County, PA, >> about >> 1745 and their eighth child, Mary, about 1747 in South Carolina. >> >> These Cook-Townsend marriages include: >> >> 1. Martha Cook to James Townsend, 6 April, 1775, at Cane Creek >> 2. Amos Cook (ca. 1749-aft. 1803) to Elizabeth Townsend, 12 April, >> 1775, at >> Bush River >> >> I'm interested in details of both these marriages. >> >> Mark >> >> P.S. I'm descended from Martha's and Amos' older brother, Eli Cook >> (ca. >> 1741-1828), who married Martha Hawkins at Bush River in 1772. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1495 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 > 5:11 PM > >

I have to take part again. Is there anyone on this List who is a descendant of the JANNEY/POOLE families? Only recently I've been taking a renewed interest in this POOLE family of Bucks Co, PA. Does this information say the JANNEYS moved to Delaware from PA? If so, did the POOLES likewise? If anyone is familiar with these families, please share. There is another family of Bucks County, PA that is seen on deeds with these POOLES. That name is GRAYDON/GRADON/GRADEN. I am really INTERESTED to learn more if someone knows more than I do. Thanks ahead of time, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA > Oh, that is interesting. Thanks Phil! Here is what I found on a > http://www.waterfordhistory.org/ > >> It was in 1733 that Amos Janney with his wife Mary left their home at >> the falls of the Delaware in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and came to >> live in the almost uninhabited neighborhood of Waterford. Other >> Friends, learning of the good land "at the Pertomock" came in with >> Amos, or soon thereafter, and an "indulged" meeting for worship was >> held at his house. >> The first Friends, or Quaker, meeting house was built of logs at >> Waterford in 1741. However, it was not allowed to become a monthly >> meeting - and thus was on its own, until it had shown 11 satisfaction" >> to a committee from its various quarterly meetings. >> All tests were passed eventually and, in 1744, a monthly meeting was >> begun named Fairfax, taking this name from the county which had just >> been formed from Prince William. Just in time too, for six couples >> requested permission to marry at the first monthly meeting. >> Waterford was known as "The Town" in our early days and the distance >> members would travel to go to meeting was astonishing. All Loudoun >> Quakers at that time belonged to Fairfax Meeting and people from what >> are now the towns of Hillsboro, Hamilton, Lincoln, and Philomont were >> members of the meeting at Waterford. Like folks of today, however, >> they had to be prodded occasionally for nonattendance. The minutes of >> 1762 state that a committee was sent "to visit (them) to excite them >> to more diligence." >> To us of the meeting, these historical records are of use in acquiring >> information on the mores of the day and for genealogical data. Fairfax >> Meeting members were cautioned against "joining in light company for >> dancing;" "delt with" for drunkenness; "disowned" for adultery and >> fornication; a man was "reproved for taking off his hat at a court >> martial to gain favor with officer in charge;" another, attended to" >> for encouraging the visit of a man "not in our Society in Courtship of >> his daughter." A committee on "Spirituous Liquors" kept demon rum away >> from the door and by 1809 there were no Friends selling spirits. > > > There was also a photo. But your family information would fit well with > the above. I have forgotten where your Hawkins family was living in > SC. Marsha > > > Phil Hawkins wrote: > >>"So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >>there from Louden County." >> >> >>My Loudoun County, Fairfax MM, Hawkins (James & Martha (Hollowell) Hawkins >>and family were associated with Bush River for a short time until Cane >>Creek, SC was organized. They left VA about 1767. It would seem that maybe >>his brothers, William, John, Joseph, and Isaac, and sisters Mary and >>Hannah >>Hilton might have been located there in VA, but we have not found any >>records for them. They were all born in Bucks County PA. >> >>"It is said that James and family lived in Loudoun Co., VA, long enough to >>find that it was a good place to starve, this was by the records about 12 >>years." >> >>Phil Hawkins, Administrator 10 June 2008 >>Hawkins Worldwide DNA Project >>Family Site: >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/tree_g-1.html >> >>*** A 'Veteran' -- one who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank >>check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up >>to, and including their life.' *** >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Marsha, They settled in southern Union County, SC along the Tyger River. With the children there contributed 10 families to the area. Phil Hawkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA > Oh, that is interesting. Thanks Phil! Here is what I found on a > http://www.waterfordhistory.org/ > >> It was in 1733 that Amos Janney with his wife Mary left their home at >> the falls of the Delaware in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and came to >> live in the almost uninhabited neighborhood of Waterford. Other >> Friends, learning of the good land "at the Pertomock" came in with >> Amos, or soon thereafter, and an "indulged" meeting for worship was >> held at his house. >> The first Friends, or Quaker, meeting house was built of logs at >> Waterford in 1741. However, it was not allowed to become a monthly >> meeting - and thus was on its own, until it had shown 11 satisfaction" >> to a committee from its various quarterly meetings. >> All tests were passed eventually and, in 1744, a monthly meeting was >> begun named Fairfax, taking this name from the county which had just >> been formed from Prince William. Just in time too, for six couples >> requested permission to marry at the first monthly meeting. >> Waterford was known as "The Town" in our early days and the distance >> members would travel to go to meeting was astonishing. All Loudoun >> Quakers at that time belonged to Fairfax Meeting and people from what >> are now the towns of Hillsboro, Hamilton, Lincoln, and Philomont were >> members of the meeting at Waterford. Like folks of today, however, >> they had to be prodded occasionally for nonattendance. The minutes of >> 1762 state that a committee was sent "to visit (them) to excite them >> to more diligence." >> To us of the meeting, these historical records are of use in acquiring >> information on the mores of the day and for genealogical data. Fairfax >> Meeting members were cautioned against "joining in light company for >> dancing;" "delt with" for drunkenness; "disowned" for adultery and >> fornication; a man was "reproved for taking off his hat at a court >> martial to gain favor with officer in charge;" another, attended to" >> for encouraging the visit of a man "not in our Society in Courtship of >> his daughter." A committee on "Spirituous Liquors" kept demon rum away >> from the door and by 1809 there were no Friends selling spirits. > > > There was also a photo. But your family information would fit well with > the above. I have forgotten where your Hawkins family was living in > SC. Marsha > > > Phil Hawkins wrote: > >>"So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >>there from Louden County." >> >> >>My Loudoun County, Fairfax MM, Hawkins (James & Martha (Hollowell) Hawkins >>and family were associated with Bush River for a short time until Cane >>Creek, SC was organized. They left VA about 1767. It would seem that maybe >>his brothers, William, John, Joseph, and Isaac, and sisters Mary and >>Hannah >>Hilton might have been located there in VA, but we have not found any >>records for them. They were all born in Bucks County PA. >> >>"It is said that James and family lived in Loudoun Co., VA, long enough to >>find that it was a good place to starve, this was by the records about 12 >>years." >> >>Phil Hawkins, Administrator 10 June 2008 >>Hawkins Worldwide DNA Project >>Family Site: >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/tree_g-1.html >> >>*** A 'Veteran' -- one who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank >>check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up >>to, and including their life.' *** >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Hollingsworths, Wrights, Pembertons and Jays all traveled from the Fairfax/Hopewell, VA, area down to Bush River area. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

I keep seeing these names and know that both surnames appear in our POOL line. The Rev Sol John POOL, b. ca 1758, signed up for the War from Newberry...from his own words on his Pension. Mitchell POOL, s/o John POOL & Mahulda HOLLOWAY, m. a GILBERT girl. Could she be part of this GILBERT family? I think her name was Mary Elizabeth GILBERT. Thanks, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "jane gilbert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Thomas families who moved to Miami County,Ohio > Does anyone know of a connection between the Gilbert and the Thomas > familiy? I've seen a hn Thomas mentioned in quite a few records > involving the Gilberts. He may just have been a friend, but we have > some Gilbert daughters whose husbands are unidentified. > > Thanks. > > Jane > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Wyatt, Susan D. > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Good job, Marsha! This is so interesting. Thanks for sharing. >> >> Thanks, >> Sue Wyatt >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marsha >> moses >> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:56 PM >> To: bush river mail list >> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Thomas families who moved to Miami >> County,Ohio >> >> I had asked a question yesterday on a couple of mail lists...some of you >> >> did not hear the original question. But it had to do with the Thomas >> family that is found in Newberry County, SC before the mass migration of >> >> the Quaker families out of the south and into Indiana and Ohio in the >> first decade of the 1800's. >> Well, I managed to answer my own question today. I did not find >> Thomastown, Ohio on the map. But I did figure out where the Thomas >> families from Bush River moved in the early 1800's in Ohio. So I am >> guessing that Thomastown would have been somewhere in the western part >> of Miami County, Ohio. On page 351 of the Newberry Annals book the >> author says: >> >>> Of the Thomases who emigrated, several are not mentioned. They were >>> Abel, Isaac, John, William and Nehemiah.....the same may be said of >>> the Duncans who came here with them..... >> >> >> >> >> The 1810 census of Ohio is lost for most of the counties. So I did my >> looking on the 1820 census. All of these Thomas men are found in >> Randoph Township in Miami County, Ohio in the census. I feel that this >> is the right location because the only Nehemiah in all of Ohio is found >> in Randolph Township in Miami County, Ohio. >> >> Randolph Township does not still exist. But I was also able to solve >> that mystery: >> >>> The western part of the county, known as Randolph Township, lost its >>> name when it was broken up into townships. >> >> >> >> The Duncans seem to have been Isaac, Jesse, and Samuel Duncan and they >> settled in Union township according to the census of 1820. >> >> Union Township does exist today and it is the southern corner of the >> county on the west side. So it would have been just the southern part >> of what was originally Randolph Township. To see a map that explains >> that go to: >> >> http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/townships.htm >> >> >> By the way, Harriet was kind enough to correct my misinterpretation of >> who wrote this information in the Newberry Annals book. It was Mr. >> David Jones of Ohio who had been requested by Mr. John Chapman to write >> of the Newberry transplants in Ohio. The information was not from John >> Chapman who seemed to have remained in SC. >> >> I will write another e-mail or two sharing what I have found in >> information about Miami county Newberry transplants while trying to >> solve the mystery of Thomastown. >> >> Marsha Moses >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Loudoun and Fairfax counties--the part of Fairfax county that became Loudoun County when it was formed in 1757. Jerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA > So are you talking specifically Louden County or just anywhere in > Virginia? Marsha > > Jerri Ritter wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>The Floyd's, Gore's, and Dodd's--for sure--left VA, and settled in and >>around Union and Spartanburg Counties, SC. As did my George Norman, b. >>abt >>1727/1735 or so--since he married in 1756 (to Margaret Dodd) and needed no >>one to give permission for him to marry--and apparently, he had no parents >>or siblings or Aunt or Uncles or cousins--and seems to just have hatched >>or >>something. Maybe he's from an alien planet--because NO ONE in 50 yrs or >>so, >>has ever been able to link him to ANYONE. However, he has the same DNA as >>the Norman's from Somerset, England! Just can't hook him up. The above >>surnames were tied in with the Janney's too, somehow. And the Pearson's. >> >>Later, >> >>Jerri >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:04 AM >>Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA >> >> >> >> >>>I think that I am making Louden County, Virginia my next area of >>>interest. I have started a little slide show trying to get a feeling >>>for the area. (yep....I got hooked on the concept of slideshows from my >>>efforts for the reunion) I am looking at the idea that I think that I >>>already shared with this list that I heard at the Virginia Genealogical >>>Society's spring event in April: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Craig Roberts Scott, MA, CGSM >>>>is the President and CEO of Heritage Books, Inc., a >>>>genealogical publishing firm with over 3,000 titles in >>>>print located in Westminster, MD. A professional genealogical >>>>and historical researcher for more than >>>>twenty-three years, he specializes in the records of >>>>the National Archives, especially those that relate to >>>>the military. He is the Coordinator of the Advanced >>>>Military Track at IGHR. >>>> >>>> >>>Craig Scott was the second speaker for the day and he spoke on finding >>>your French and Indian War ancestors. His comment was that during the >>>Fr and Indian war (1754-1763) many of the settlers around the Hopewell >>>MM (I get confused what County it would have been in that time period. >>>I know that it was originally Orange and now is Frederick. But I am too >>>lazy to look right this minute and it doesn't really add to my >>>information. So I will say Hopewell rather than naming a county) move >>>away for protection from Indian depredations. He said that the Germans >>>moved to Frederick, MD and the Quakers moved to Louden County, Virginia. >>> >>>So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >>>there from Louden County. And whether they lived in the area near >>>Hopewell MM before their move to SC. So, Jerri, this is very >>>interesting to me. Marsha Moses >>> >>> >>>Jerri Ritter wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>..... >>>> >>>>Rebecca Norman is d/o Jonathan Norman and Sarah Martha "Sally" Bobo. >>>>Jonathan is s/o of a Quaker, Margaret Dodd, and husband, George Norman, >>>>who >>>>married in 1756 Fairfax Co, VA--the part that became Loudoun Co, the >>>>next >>>>yr >>>>in 1757. By 1765 they had left Loudoun Co, VA, and settled in Old 96 >>>>District, at Cross Keys, SC. >>>> >>>>Jerri (Norman) Ritter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My George Norman and Margaret Dodd bought land in Lououn Co, VA from Isaac Hollingasworth and wife, then a few years later, when they were leaving for SC, they sold back to Isaac Hollingsworth's widow--that same parcel of land. Jerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Hogan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] JONES Family > David JONES is the son of Elisha JONES and Susanna HOLLINGSWORTH and > grandson of John JONES and Margaret BENSON. David's father Elisha was > brother to my Jonathan S Jones. > > Melissa > > **************** > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:50:18 -0500 > From: "Jerri Ritter" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] JONES Family > > > Would the JONES' possibly have been David JONES, b. abt 1752, d. abt 1901 > SC, and wife, Eustacia "Tacey" FLOYD, b. abt 1756 VA? Their son, Charles > JONES, b. 1777 Union Dist SC, d. 25 Jul 1833 Flat Creek, Bedford Co, TN, > and > he married Rebecca Norman who is buried in Howard Co, AR. > > Rebecca Norman is d/o Jonathan Norman and Sarah Martha "Sally" Bobo. > Jonathan is s/o of a Quaker, Margaret Dodd, and husband, George Norman, > who > married in 1756 Fairfax Co, VA--the part that became Loudoun Co, the next > yr > in 1757. By 1765 they had left Loudoun Co, VA, and settled in Old 96 > District, at Cross Keys, SC. > > Jerri (Norman) Ritter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Oh, that is interesting. Thanks Phil! Here is what I found on a http://www.waterfordhistory.org/ > It was in 1733 that Amos Janney with his wife Mary left their home at > the falls of the Delaware in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and came to > live in the almost uninhabited neighborhood of Waterford. Other > Friends, learning of the good land "at the Pertomock" came in with > Amos, or soon thereafter, and an "indulged" meeting for worship was > held at his house. > The first Friends, or Quaker, meeting house was built of logs at > Waterford in 1741. However, it was not allowed to become a monthly > meeting - and thus was on its own, until it had shown 11 satisfaction" > to a committee from its various quarterly meetings. > All tests were passed eventually and, in 1744, a monthly meeting was > begun named Fairfax, taking this name from the county which had just > been formed from Prince William. Just in time too, for six couples > requested permission to marry at the first monthly meeting. > Waterford was known as "The Town" in our early days and the distance > members would travel to go to meeting was astonishing. All Loudoun > Quakers at that time belonged to Fairfax Meeting and people from what > are now the towns of Hillsboro, Hamilton, Lincoln, and Philomont were > members of the meeting at Waterford. Like folks of today, however, > they had to be prodded occasionally for nonattendance. The minutes of > 1762 state that a committee was sent "to visit (them) to excite them > to more diligence." > To us of the meeting, these historical records are of use in acquiring > information on the mores of the day and for genealogical data. Fairfax > Meeting members were cautioned against "joining in light company for > dancing;" "delt with" for drunkenness; "disowned" for adultery and > fornication; a man was "reproved for taking off his hat at a court > martial to gain favor with officer in charge;" another, attended to" > for encouraging the visit of a man "not in our Society in Courtship of > his daughter." A committee on "Spirituous Liquors" kept demon rum away > from the door and by 1809 there were no Friends selling spirits. There was also a photo. But your family information would fit well with the above. I have forgotten where your Hawkins family was living in SC. Marsha Phil Hawkins wrote: >"So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >there from Louden County." > > >My Loudoun County, Fairfax MM, Hawkins (James & Martha (Hollowell) Hawkins >and family were associated with Bush River for a short time until Cane >Creek, SC was organized. They left VA about 1767. It would seem that maybe >his brothers, William, John, Joseph, and Isaac, and sisters Mary and Hannah >Hilton might have been located there in VA, but we have not found any >records for them. They were all born in Bucks County PA. > >"It is said that James and family lived in Loudoun Co., VA, long enough to >find that it was a good place to starve, this was by the records about 12 >years." > >Phil Hawkins, Administrator 10 June 2008 >Hawkins Worldwide DNA Project >Family Site: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/tree_g-1.html > >*** A 'Veteran' -- one who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank >check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up >to, and including their life.' *** > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

"So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved there from Louden County." My Loudoun County, Fairfax MM, Hawkins (James & Martha (Hollowell) Hawkins and family were associated with Bush River for a short time until Cane Creek, SC was organized. They left VA about 1767. It would seem that maybe his brothers, William, John, Joseph, and Isaac, and sisters Mary and Hannah Hilton might have been located there in VA, but we have not found any records for them. They were all born in Bucks County PA. "It is said that James and family lived in Loudoun Co., VA, long enough to find that it was a good place to starve, this was by the records about 12 years." Phil Hawkins, Administrator 10 June 2008 Hawkins Worldwide DNA Project Family Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/tree_g-1.html *** A 'Veteran' -- one who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including their life.' ***

So are you talking specifically Louden County or just anywhere in Virginia? Marsha Jerri Ritter wrote: >Hi, > >The Floyd's, Gore's, and Dodd's--for sure--left VA, and settled in and >around Union and Spartanburg Counties, SC. As did my George Norman, b. abt >1727/1735 or so--since he married in 1756 (to Margaret Dodd) and needed no >one to give permission for him to marry--and apparently, he had no parents >or siblings or Aunt or Uncles or cousins--and seems to just have hatched or >something. Maybe he's from an alien planet--because NO ONE in 50 yrs or so, >has ever been able to link him to ANYONE. However, he has the same DNA as >the Norman's from Somerset, England! Just can't hook him up. The above >surnames were tied in with the Janney's too, somehow. And the Pearson's. > >Later, > >Jerri > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:04 AM >Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA > > > > >>I think that I am making Louden County, Virginia my next area of >>interest. I have started a little slide show trying to get a feeling >>for the area. (yep....I got hooked on the concept of slideshows from my >>efforts for the reunion) I am looking at the idea that I think that I >>already shared with this list that I heard at the Virginia Genealogical >>Society's spring event in April: >> >> >> >>>Craig Roberts Scott, MA, CGSM >>>is the President and CEO of Heritage Books, Inc., a >>>genealogical publishing firm with over 3,000 titles in >>>print located in Westminster, MD. A professional genealogical >>>and historical researcher for more than >>>twenty-three years, he specializes in the records of >>>the National Archives, especially those that relate to >>>the military. He is the Coordinator of the Advanced >>>Military Track at IGHR. >>> >>> >>Craig Scott was the second speaker for the day and he spoke on finding >>your French and Indian War ancestors. His comment was that during the >>Fr and Indian war (1754-1763) many of the settlers around the Hopewell >>MM (I get confused what County it would have been in that time period. >>I know that it was originally Orange and now is Frederick. But I am too >>lazy to look right this minute and it doesn't really add to my >>information. So I will say Hopewell rather than naming a county) move >>away for protection from Indian depredations. He said that the Germans >>moved to Frederick, MD and the Quakers moved to Louden County, Virginia. >> >>So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >>there from Louden County. And whether they lived in the area near >>Hopewell MM before their move to SC. So, Jerri, this is very >>interesting to me. Marsha Moses >> >> >>Jerri Ritter wrote: >> >> >> >>>..... >>> >>>Rebecca Norman is d/o Jonathan Norman and Sarah Martha "Sally" Bobo. >>>Jonathan is s/o of a Quaker, Margaret Dodd, and husband, George Norman, >>>who >>>married in 1756 Fairfax Co, VA--the part that became Loudoun Co, the next >>>yr >>>in 1757. By 1765 they had left Loudoun Co, VA, and settled in Old 96 >>>District, at Cross Keys, SC. >>> >>>Jerri (Norman) Ritter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

"So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved there from Louden County." I believe Jacob and Elizabeth/Ann Taylor Chandler came from Hopewell MM as did Elizabeth's father Jonathan Taylor and his wife. (Can't remember her name off the top of my head.) Where Jacob Chandler or his line came from before that is the big question, and the one we're hoping DNA will help us solve. Jane On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Jerri Ritter <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > The Floyd's, Gore's, and Dodd's--for sure--left VA, and settled in and > around Union and Spartanburg Counties, SC. As did my George Norman, b. abt > 1727/1735 or so--since he married in 1756 (to Margaret Dodd) and needed no > one to give permission for him to marry--and apparently, he had no parents > or siblings or Aunt or Uncles or cousins--and seems to just have hatched or > something. Maybe he's from an alien planet--because NO ONE in 50 yrs or so, > has ever been able to link him to ANYONE. However, he has the same DNA as > the Norman's from Somerset, England! Just can't hook him up. The above > surnames were tied in with the Janney's too, somehow. And the Pearson's. > > Later, > > Jerri > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA > > >>I think that I am making Louden County, Virginia my next area of >> interest. I have started a little slide show trying to get a feeling >> for the area. (yep....I got hooked on the concept of slideshows from my >> efforts for the reunion) I am looking at the idea that I think that I >> already shared with this list that I heard at the Virginia Genealogical >> Society's spring event in April: >> >>> Craig Roberts Scott, MA, CGSM >>> is the President and CEO of Heritage Books, Inc., a >>> genealogical publishing firm with over 3,000 titles in >>> print located in Westminster, MD. A professional genealogical >>> and historical researcher for more than >>> twenty-three years, he specializes in the records of >>> the National Archives, especially those that relate to >>> the military. He is the Coordinator of the Advanced >>> Military Track at IGHR. >> >> >> Craig Scott was the second speaker for the day and he spoke on finding >> your French and Indian War ancestors. His comment was that during the >> Fr and Indian war (1754-1763) many of the settlers around the Hopewell >> MM (I get confused what County it would have been in that time period. >> I know that it was originally Orange and now is Frederick. But I am too >> lazy to look right this minute and it doesn't really add to my >> information. So I will say Hopewell rather than naming a county) move >> away for protection from Indian depredations. He said that the Germans >> moved to Frederick, MD and the Quakers moved to Louden County, Virginia. >> >> So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved >> there from Louden County. And whether they lived in the area near >> Hopewell MM before their move to SC. So, Jerri, this is very >> interesting to me. Marsha Moses >> >> >> Jerri Ritter wrote: >> >>>..... >>> >>>Rebecca Norman is d/o Jonathan Norman and Sarah Martha "Sally" Bobo. >>>Jonathan is s/o of a Quaker, Margaret Dodd, and husband, George Norman, >>>who >>>married in 1756 Fairfax Co, VA--the part that became Loudoun Co, the next >>>yr >>>in 1757. By 1765 they had left Loudoun Co, VA, and settled in Old 96 >>>District, at Cross Keys, SC. >>> >>>Jerri (Norman) Ritter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David JONES is the son of Elisha JONES and Susanna HOLLINGSWORTH and grandson of John JONES and Margaret BENSON. David's father Elisha was brother to my Jonathan S Jones. Melissa **************** Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:50:18 -0500 From: "Jerri Ritter" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] JONES Family Would the JONES' possibly have been David JONES, b. abt 1752, d. abt 1901 SC, and wife, Eustacia "Tacey" FLOYD, b. abt 1756 VA? Their son, Charles JONES, b. 1777 Union Dist SC, d. 25 Jul 1833 Flat Creek, Bedford Co, TN, and he married Rebecca Norman who is buried in Howard Co, AR. Rebecca Norman is d/o Jonathan Norman and Sarah Martha "Sally" Bobo. Jonathan is s/o of a Quaker, Margaret Dodd, and husband, George Norman, who married in 1756 Fairfax Co, VA--the part that became Loudoun Co, the next yr in 1757. By 1765 they had left Loudoun Co, VA, and settled in Old 96 District, at Cross Keys, SC. Jerri (Norman) Ritter

Hi, The Floyd's, Gore's, and Dodd's--for sure--left VA, and settled in and around Union and Spartanburg Counties, SC. As did my George Norman, b. abt 1727/1735 or so--since he married in 1756 (to Margaret Dodd) and needed no one to give permission for him to marry--and apparently, he had no parents or siblings or Aunt or Uncles or cousins--and seems to just have hatched or something. Maybe he's from an alien planet--because NO ONE in 50 yrs or so, has ever been able to link him to ANYONE. However, he has the same DNA as the Norman's from Somerset, England! Just can't hook him up. The above surnames were tied in with the Janney's too, somehow. And the Pearson's. Later, Jerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "marsha moses" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Louden County, VA >I think that I am making Louden County, Virginia my next area of > interest. I have started a little slide show trying to get a feeling > for the area. (yep....I got hooked on the concept of slideshows from my > efforts for the reunion) I am looking at the idea that I think that I > already shared with this list that I heard at the Virginia Genealogical > Society's spring event in April: > >> Craig Roberts Scott, MA, CGSM >> is the President and CEO of Heritage Books, Inc., a >> genealogical publishing firm with over 3,000 titles in >> print located in Westminster, MD. A professional genealogical >> and historical researcher for more than >> twenty-three years, he specializes in the records of >> the National Archives, especially those that relate to >> the military. He is the Coordinator of the Advanced >> Military Track at IGHR. > > > Craig Scott was the second speaker for the day and he spoke on finding > your French and Indian War ancestors. His comment was that during the > Fr and Indian war (1754-1763) many of the settlers around the Hopewell > MM (I get confused what County it would have been in that time period. > I know that it was originally Orange and now is Frederick. But I am too > lazy to look right this minute and it doesn't really add to my > information. So I will say Hopewell rather than naming a county) move > away for protection from Indian depredations. He said that the Germans > moved to Frederick, MD and the Quakers moved to Louden County, Virginia. > > So I am interested in knowing how many of our Bush River Quakers moved > there from Louden County. And whether they lived in the area near > Hopewell MM before their move to SC. So, Jerri, this is very > interesting to me. Marsha Moses > > > Jerri Ritter wrote: > >>..... >> >>Rebecca Norman is d/o Jonathan Norman and Sarah Martha "Sally" Bobo. >>Jonathan is s/o of a Quaker, Margaret Dodd, and husband, George Norman, >>who >>married in 1756 Fairfax Co, VA--the part that became Loudoun Co, the next >>yr >>in 1757. By 1765 they had left Loudoun Co, VA, and settled in Old 96 >>District, at Cross Keys, SC. >> >>Jerri (Norman) Ritter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >