Can anyone tell me how to interpret this entry in Hinshaw's? 1765, 8, 2 Rachel Gilbert rpd mou Was Rachel married on August 2, 1765 or was the out-of-unity marriage just reported on that date? Thanks! Jane

Thanks much, Vivian! Funny I had found some Gilbert information on that site, but didn't think to check for Furnas info. Duh. The thing I was looking at is that Cary/Carey was a huge name in the Gilbert line. The first Cary Gilbert was born in 1766 to Quakers Jonathan and Hannameel CARY Gilbert from Bush River. The name has been carried down in just about every Gilbert and ancillary line since then. I don't see any obvious connection to the Gilberts in the Furnas line (which I had suspected), but this Cary Furnas was born in 1803, and the original Cary Gilbert died young in Newberry in 1802. Maybe they just named their son in his honor. So much for that. I thought I might find a who a Gilbert daughter had married. Jane On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Vivian Markley <[email protected]> wrote: > Here you go. I have not personally researched it but it is most likely very > reliable. Not sure who's work it is but Miami County does research their > Quaker a lot. > http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-fl/8002.htm > > Looks like he is the son of... > > 2-William FURNAS > Born-29 May 1775 South Carolina > Died-21 Dec 1833 Miami County, Ohio > Bur.-Union-Joint Cem, Newton Twp, Miami County, Ohio > Note-William was born in South Carolina and migrated > with family to Miami County Ohio in 1806 when he was > around 30 years old. He is recorded on page 768 of > the 1880 History of Miami County Ohio, and on page 11 > of The Furnas Genealogy by Tanzy Furnas, pub 1897. > sp- Rachel NESLEY > Born-1773 > Mar.-1797 > Died-16 Mar 1847 > Bur.-Union-Joint Cem, Newton Twp, Miami County, Ohio > Note-Rachel's gravestone reads: died 16 Mar 1847 aged > 73 years, 6 months, 22 days. > A bio on Cary does not name his mother > http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-fl/1788.htm > This is the bio of brother Joseph and gives mother and grandparents. > http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-fl/1787.htm > > > Found it at the online at the Miami Co Website. For those looking for > anyone that migrated from Bush River and went through Miami Co, this can be > a good resource. Lots of biographies. > > http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biograph.htm > > > > Vivian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here you go. I have not personally researched it but it is most likely very reliable. Not sure who's work it is but Miami County does research their Quaker a lot. http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-fl/8002.htm Looks like he is the son of... 2-William FURNAS Born-29 May 1775 South Carolina Died-21 Dec 1833 Miami County, Ohio Bur.-Union-Joint Cem, Newton Twp, Miami County, Ohio Note-William was born in South Carolina and migrated with family to Miami County Ohio in 1806 when he was around 30 years old. He is recorded on page 768 of the 1880 History of Miami County Ohio, and on page 11 of The Furnas Genealogy by Tanzy Furnas, pub 1897. sp- Rachel NESLEY Born-1773 Mar.-1797 Died-16 Mar 1847 Bur.-Union-Joint Cem, Newton Twp, Miami County, Ohio Note-Rachel's gravestone reads: died 16 Mar 1847 aged 73 years, 6 months, 22 days. A bio on Cary does not name his mother http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-fl/1788.htm This is the bio of brother Joseph and gives mother and grandparents. http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-fl/1787.htm Found it at the online at the Miami Co Website. For those looking for anyone that migrated from Bush River and went through Miami Co, this can be a good resource. Lots of biographies. http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biograph.htm Vivian

Thanks. No Carey Furnas in Hinshaw's either. Shoot. I'l reach out to the Furnace/Furnas researchers. I really want to find out who his mother is. Jane > > > Another spelling for this name is FURNAS. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jane > gilbert > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Furnace family in Bush River > > Are there any Furnace researchers out there? I see that there was a > Quaker Furnace family documented in the Bush River MM, but there's n > no mention of the following man that I presume went to Miami Co., OH > with the all the other Newberry Co., families in the early 1800s. > Does anyone happen to know who his parents are? > > Carey Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1804 South Carolina > > Here are other Furnaces in the Miami Co. 1850 census from SC if it > helps: > > Hesseby Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1800 South Carolina > John Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1797 South Carolina > Joseph Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1801 South Carolina > Marcina Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1807 South Carolina > Margaret Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1815 South Carolina > > > Thanks! > > Jane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail > transmission is intended by the sender for the sole use of the > named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain > information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. Please > do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents > to any other person. To do so could violate state and Federal > privacy laws. If you have received this electronic mail > transmission in error, please delete it from your system without > copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by > reply email or by telephone, so that the sender's address records > can be corrected. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Another spelling for this name is FURNAS. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jane gilbert Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Furnace family in Bush River Are there any Furnace researchers out there? I see that there was a Quaker Furnace family documented in the Bush River MM, but there's n no mention of the following man that I presume went to Miami Co., OH with the all the other Newberry Co., families in the early 1800s. Does anyone happen to know who his parents are? Carey Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1804 South Carolina Here are other Furnaces in the Miami Co. 1850 census from SC if it helps: Hesseby Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1800 South Carolina John Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1797 South Carolina Joseph Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1801 South Carolina Marcina Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1807 South Carolina Margaret Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1815 South Carolina Thanks! Jane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by the sender for the sole use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. To do so could violate state and Federal privacy laws. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone, so that the sender's address records can be corrected. Thank you for your cooperation.

Are there any Furnace researchers out there? I see that there was a Quaker Furnace family documented in the Bush River MM, but there's n no mention of the following man that I presume went to Miami Co., OH with the all the other Newberry Co., families in the early 1800s. Does anyone happen to know who his parents are? Carey Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1804 South Carolina Here are other Furnaces in the Miami Co. 1850 census from SC if it helps: Hesseby Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1800 South Carolina John Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1797 South Carolina Joseph Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1801 South Carolina Marcina Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1807 South Carolina Margaret Furnace Newton, Miami, OH abt 1815 South Carolina Thanks! Jane

The Baptist collection at Furman College is the first place to go for most early Baptist church records. SC genealogist Theresa Hicks, in "South Carolina: A Guide to Churches", lists the church records available at Furman as of 2003. The Newberry Co. Baptist churches with records archived there are Bethel (1841-1910), Bush River (1791-1949), Cross Road (1839-1925), Newberry First (1831-1872, 1898-1972, 1885-1901), and Whitmire First (1841-1955). Unfortunately, no records for Rocky Springs. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Subject: Rev. Thomas Frean ... RockySprings Furman College in Greenville, SC would be the place to check for Baptist Records. Another good resource would be the Southern Christian Advocate (I believe this is the name of the paper). In a message dated 10/26/2008 2:28:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Yes, this is the same Thomas Frean. According to the Annals, he had quite a rough life, joined the Methodist church, and then was baptized 24 October 1835 and united with the Baptist church. He then was licensed and later ordained to preach. Rocky Springs Baptist Church was received into the Reedy River Baptist Association on 14 September 1838. Rev. Frean was listed as the first pastor and probably helped form the church. A recommendation was made for the dissolution of Rocky Springs Church at the 16 September 1853 meeting of the association. I doubt there will be any records for Rocky Springs Baptist, since it was dissolved so early. Unless by an rare chance someone took the records to a church where the members started attending after Rocky Springs dissolved. The church is not mentioned in Pope's History of Newberry and just a couple of lines in the Annals of Newberry. Chris Prince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Iverson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Rev. Thomas Frean ... Rocky Springs Hello. Just got the latest update and saw that Rocky Springs Meeting turned into Rocky Springs Baptist Church and that Rev. Thomas Frean was the first pastor. Is this the Thomas Frean (1793-1851) that was married to Hannah Elmore (1795-1859)?? One of Thomas and Hannah's sons was named "John Belton O'Neill Frean", born and died as an infant in 1831 in Newberry County. Thomas Frean is buried in Bush River Quaker Cemetery, Newberry County and was a native of Tipperary, Ireland. His wife Hannah Elmore was a child of Matthias Elmore (1755-1835) and Rebecca Kelly. I am related to this family through Matthias' first wife, Elizabeth Appleton. Are there minutes from the Rocky Springs Baptist Church that survive? How can I locate them? Pat Iverson Roundup, MT

The Southern Christian Advocate was the newspaper for the Methodist church in the southeast. There were several Baptist papers that covered South Carolina: Southern Baptist and General Intelligencer, Southern Baptist, Confederate Baptist, The South Carolina Baptist, The Working Christian, and The Baptist Courier. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Subject: Rev. Thomas Frean ... RockySprings > Furman College in Greenville, SC would be the place to check for Baptist > Records. Another good resource would be the Southern Christian Advocate > (I > believe this is the name of the paper). > > > In a message dated 10/26/2008 2:28:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Yes, this is the same Thomas Frean. According to the Annals, he had quite > a > rough life, joined the Methodist church, and then was baptized 24 October > 1835 and united with the Baptist church. He then was licensed and later > ordained > to preach. Rocky Springs Baptist Church was received into the Reedy River > Baptist Association on 14 September 1838. Rev. Frean was listed as the > first > pastor and probably helped form the church. A recommendation was made for > the > dissolution of Rocky Springs Church at the 16 September 1853 meeting of > the > association. I doubt there will be any records for Rocky Springs Baptist, > since it was dissolved so early. Unless by an rare chance someone took the > records to a church where the members started attending after Rocky > Springs > dissolved. The church is not mentioned in Pope's History of Newberry and > just a > couple of lines in the Annals of Newberry. > > Chris Prince > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Iverson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Rev. Thomas Frean ... Rocky Springs > > Hello. Just got the latest update and saw that Rocky Springs Meeting > turned > into Rocky Springs Baptist Church and that Rev. Thomas Frean was the > first > pastor. Is this the Thomas Frean (1793-1851) that was married to Hannah > Elmore > (1795-1859)?? One of Thomas and Hannah's sons was named "John Belton > O'Neill > Frean", born and died as an infant in 1831 in Newberry County. > > Thomas Frean is buried in Bush River Quaker Cemetery, Newberry County and > was a native of Tipperary, Ireland. His wife Hannah Elmore was a child of > Matthias Elmore (1755-1835) and Rebecca Kelly. I am related to this family > through > Matthias' first wife, Elizabeth Appleton. > > Are there minutes from the Rocky Springs Baptist Church that survive? How > can I locate them? Pat Iverson Roundup, MT > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your > favorites, > no registration required and great graphics – check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= > http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Furman College in Greenville, SC would be the place to check for Baptist Records. Another good resource would be the Southern Christian Advocate (I believe this is the name of the paper). In a message dated 10/26/2008 2:28:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Yes, this is the same Thomas Frean. According to the Annals, he had quite a rough life, joined the Methodist church, and then was baptized 24 October 1835 and united with the Baptist church. He then was licensed and later ordained to preach. Rocky Springs Baptist Church was received into the Reedy River Baptist Association on 14 September 1838. Rev. Frean was listed as the first pastor and probably helped form the church. A recommendation was made for the dissolution of Rocky Springs Church at the 16 September 1853 meeting of the association. I doubt there will be any records for Rocky Springs Baptist, since it was dissolved so early. Unless by an rare chance someone took the records to a church where the members started attending after Rocky Springs dissolved. The church is not mentioned in Pope's History of Newberry and just a couple of lines in the Annals of Newberry. Chris Prince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Iverson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Rev. Thomas Frean ... Rocky Springs Hello. Just got the latest update and saw that Rocky Springs Meeting turned into Rocky Springs Baptist Church and that Rev. Thomas Frean was the first pastor. Is this the Thomas Frean (1793-1851) that was married to Hannah Elmore (1795-1859)?? One of Thomas and Hannah's sons was named "John Belton O'Neill Frean", born and died as an infant in 1831 in Newberry County. Thomas Frean is buried in Bush River Quaker Cemetery, Newberry County and was a native of Tipperary, Ireland. His wife Hannah Elmore was a child of Matthias Elmore (1755-1835) and Rebecca Kelly. I am related to this family through Matthias' first wife, Elizabeth Appleton. Are there minutes from the Rocky Springs Baptist Church that survive? How can I locate them? Pat Iverson Roundup, MT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

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Yes, this is the same Thomas Frean. According to the Annals, he had quite a rough life, joined the Methodist church, and then was baptized 24 October 1835 and united with the Baptist church. He then was licensed and later ordained to preach. Rocky Springs Baptist Church was received into the Reedy River Baptist Association on 14 September 1838. Rev. Frean was listed as the first pastor and probably helped form the church. A recommendation was made for the dissolution of Rocky Springs Church at the 16 September 1853 meeting of the association. I doubt there will be any records for Rocky Springs Baptist, since it was dissolved so early. Unless by an rare chance someone took the records to a church where the members started attending after Rocky Springs dissolved. The church is not mentioned in Pope's History of Newberry and just a couple of lines in the Annals of Newberry. Chris Prince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Iverson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Rev. Thomas Frean ... Rocky Springs Hello. Just got the latest update and saw that Rocky Springs Meeting turned into Rocky Springs Baptist Church and that Rev. Thomas Frean was the first pastor. Is this the Thomas Frean (1793-1851) that was married to Hannah Elmore (1795-1859)?? One of Thomas and Hannah's sons was named "John Belton O'Neill Frean", born and died as an infant in 1831 in Newberry County. Thomas Frean is buried in Bush River Quaker Cemetery, Newberry County and was a native of Tipperary, Ireland. His wife Hannah Elmore was a child of Matthias Elmore (1755-1835) and Rebecca Kelly. I am related to this family through Matthias' first wife, Elizabeth Appleton. Are there minutes from the Rocky Springs Baptist Church that survive? How can I locate them? Pat Iverson Roundup, MT

> From Southern Quakers and Slavery, p 309: (google books) > White Lick Meeting Meeting house was on the public road leading from > Newberry Court House to Long's Bridge on Little River, between Deadfall > and the Bridge, and within 200 yards of the residence of G. Henry Werts. > The House was built of large hewn logs and was also known as Coates > Meeting House.

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Hello. Just got the latest update and saw that Rocky Springs Meeting turned into Rocky Springs Baptist Church and that Rev. Thomas Frean was the first pastor. Is this the Thomas Frean (1793-1851) that was married to Hannah Elmore (1795-1859)?? One of Thomas and Hannah's sons was named "John Belton O'Neill Frean", born and died as an infant in 1831 in Newberry County. Thomas Frean is buried in Bush River Quaker Cemetery, Newberry County and was a native of Tipperary, Ireland. His wife Hannah Elmore was a child of Matthias Elmore (1755-1835) and Rebecca Kelly. I am related to this family through Matthias' first wife, Elizabeth Appleton. Are there minutes from the Rocky Springs Baptist Church that survive? How can I locate them? Pat Iverson Roundup, MT > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:12:19 -0400> Subject: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] White Lick Meeting in Newberry> > Here is a note about the White Lick Meeting in Newberry...Thanks to Chris Prince for the info!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Prince > To: Jean Epting Blackmon > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:19 PM> Subject: Quakers> > > Jean,> > Carl sent me the notes about the Rocky Springs meeting the other day. This got me interested so I started looking. Rocky Springs Meeting later became Rocky Springs Baptist Church. The Baptist church was formed about 1838 and dissolved in 1859. It's first pastor was Rev. Thomas Frean.> > I also found there was another meeting named White Lick. O'Neall said this was located "on land where Robert Burton now lives." This was in 1859. If you look in the 1850 census book (2nd ed.), Robert is on p. 388. In the 1860 book he is on p. 33. In the 1860 he is just a few houses from Judge O'Neall. With your land work you may could figure where this is. I couldn't find another mention of White Lick in Brent's deed abstracts.> > Can you forward the information of this 3rd meeting to Judith Russell? A friend of mine sent me the e-mail from the Quaker list about what you and Carl had told them. I didn't have her e-mail though.> > Chris> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 3:29 PM> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a note about the White Lick Meeting in Newberry...Thanks to Chris Prince for the info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Prince To: Jean Epting Blackmon Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: Quakers Jean, Carl sent me the notes about the Rocky Springs meeting the other day. This got me interested so I started looking. Rocky Springs Meeting later became Rocky Springs Baptist Church. The Baptist church was formed about 1838 and dissolved in 1859. It's first pastor was Rev. Thomas Frean. I also found there was another meeting named White Lick. O'Neall said this was located "on land where Robert Burton now lives." This was in 1859. If you look in the 1850 census book (2nd ed.), Robert is on p. 388. In the 1860 book he is on p. 33. In the 1860 he is just a few houses from Judge O'Neall. With your land work you may could figure where this is. I couldn't find another mention of White Lick in Brent's deed abstracts. Can you forward the information of this 3rd meeting to Judith Russell? A friend of mine sent me the e-mail from the Quaker list about what you and Carl had told them. I didn't have her e-mail though. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 3:29 PM

This weekend I had some correspondence from Jean Blackmon and Carl Nichols, researchers into the land tenure of SC and Newberry County in particular. Jean has almost completed a new book concerning the land grants and tenure in around the Bush River Road in northern Newberry County. She and Carl wrote to tell me that they have worked out the location of the Rocky Springs Quaker Meeting House and Burial Ground. As they investigated further, they found, to their surprise, that the land is owned today by Jean's cousin. She gave permission for me to share this info with you, even before her book is published. (I hope she will send us more info as the publication date gets nearer.) I was so glad to learn of this...the Meeting house is mentioned in Hinshaw (vol 1, p 1516), and the burial ground interrments are in the Newberry Cemetery Book under the name Neel and Harp Cemetery (p 73). Interments include John Pemberton (1798) and Mary Pemberton (1755-1842) along with Neels, Harps, Williams, Hollis, Atkins, and Brooks. Has anyone done any research on this Meeting and its history? I hope that you will share it with our group. JudyR +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Carl sends the deed info: A 147A survey of 1788 for Thos Pearson for 176A. On the east boundary of this tract was a Quaker Meeting House drawn on the map. I looked in Brent Holcomb's abstract books of the early Newberry deeds and found a deed (Book C, p. 707) where Thomas Pearson gave for natural love and affection 2 1/2 acres on small br of Bujsh River to Samuel Miles and Samuel Teague, members of Rockey Spring Meeting Quakers. Deed is dated 9 March 1796. The church was already in existence in 1788 as it was shown on the plat. Today it would be on Herman Wise Rd. Here is the SC archives info: Series: S213190 Volume: 0022 Page: 00182 Item: 001 Date: 3/25/1788 Description: PEARSON, THOMAS, PLAT FOR 176 ACRES ON WATERS OF BOOSH RIVER, NINETY SIX DISTRICT, SURVEYED BY ABEL PEARSON FOR JOHN CLARKE. Names indexed: CLARKE, JOHN; CUMPTON, SAMUEL; PEARSON, ABEL; PEARSON, THOMAS; PEMBERTON, RICHARD; SPRAY, JESSE; TEAGUE, ELIJAH Locations: BUSH RIVER; NINETY SIX DISTRICT Document type: PLAT Topics:

Susan, I looked in my very small Quaker book of VA and didn't see the GILLIAMS, but am pretty sure they were Quakers. They wouldn't be in my book if they were in a different MM anyway. One reason I mention this is because so many families of Surry Co, VA are in my book: HUNNICUTS- BAILEYS-JORDANS, etc. Best of luck, Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Rosine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] GILLIAM > > I've added the GILLIAM name to the Quaker project. I had the name Hinshaw > already, but will add the Henshaw spelling. > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/britishquakers > > Susan > >> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:28:28 -0700 >> From: "Audrey E Pool" >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] GILLIAMS >> >> The GILLIAMS were from Surry Co, VA. "Hinchy" GILLIAM is really >> Henshaw/Hinshaw GILLIAM. Most researchers are familiar with the Hinshaw >> Quaker genealogy. You may know this already - just passing along a bit of >> information. Audrey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kathleen Summers" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Keren Happuch >> >> >>> Ah! Thank you. This is all very interesting. I have, of course, found >>> many different spellings and originally I thought that >>> Happuch/Hoppoch/Coppock was a surname but then found it attached to >>> other >>> surnames also so I began to wonder "Who was this Karen Happuch." Good to >>> know the story and the correct spelling. It might just help me track >>> down >>> my Newberry families of Thomas/Justis/Gilliam. One family was supposed >>> to >>> be Quaker but it might be that Gilliam was a second wife so there is a >>> mystery as to where the Quaker actually came in. >>> >>> Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. >>> >>> Kathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I've added the GILLIAM name to the Quaker project. I had the name Hinshaw already, but will add the Henshaw spelling. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/britishquakers Susan > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:28:28 -0700 > From: "Audrey E Pool" > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] GILLIAMS > > The GILLIAMS were from Surry Co, VA. "Hinchy" GILLIAM is really > Henshaw/Hinshaw GILLIAM. Most researchers are familiar with the Hinshaw > Quaker genealogy. You may know this already - just passing along a bit of > information. Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Summers" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] Keren Happuch > > >> Ah! Thank you. This is all very interesting. I have, of course, found >> many different spellings and originally I thought that >> Happuch/Hoppoch/Coppock was a surname but then found it attached to other >> surnames also so I began to wonder "Who was this Karen Happuch." Good to >> know the story and the correct spelling. It might just help me track down >> my Newberry families of Thomas/Justis/Gilliam. One family was supposed to >> be Quaker but it might be that Gilliam was a second wife so there is a >> mystery as to where the Quaker actually came in. >> >> Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. >> >> Kathy

Ah! Thank you. This is all very interesting. I have, of course, found many different spellings and originally I thought that Happuch/Hoppoch/Coppock was a surname but then found it attached to other surnames also so I began to wonder "Who was this Karen Happuch." Good to know the story and the correct spelling. It might just help me track down my Newberry families of Thomas/Justis/Gilliam. One family was supposed to be Quaker but it might be that Gilliam was a second wife so there is a mystery as to where the Quaker actually came in. Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Kathy On 9/25/08 6:28 PM, "Harriet Imrey" <[email protected]> wrote: > Keren Happuch is one of those rare names that identifies the family's > religion. Every girl with the name was born to a practicing-Quaker family > or named for a Quaker grandmother. Nobody used it except Quakers. You'll > find the name in the Book of Job, Chapter 42, Verse 14. The three > "replacement daughters" of Job, after all his first family had died, were > called Jemima, Kezia and Kerenhappuch. > > The older established-religions required formal education prior to > ordination and expected the seminary studies to include Greek, Latin and > Hebrew. The ministers who read Biblical Hebrew knew that the names were > part of a parable, and that people did not actually give their daughters > those names in Old Testament times. Jemima means "warm and affectionate", > Kezia(h) means cassia bark (an expensive medicinal spice, so > health-promoting). Both of those names were used frequently--by all > religions--in the 18th century. Keren-Happuch means cosmetic-horn, > specifically a jewel-encrusted container made of ivory or precious metal to > hold extremely luxurious eye makeup such as kohl or malachite. The Puritans > and other denominations with seminary-trained ministers drew the line at > that one: painted-up women were frowned upon, probably no better than > Jezebels. Seminary education for ministers was neither required nor > welcomed among the Friends of the day. Had they known that the word had > connotations of "worldly, extravagant and ostentatious", they would > certainly have avoided giving the name to their daughters! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Summers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] DNA projects > > > Can you explain to me the proliferation of the name "karen Coppock?" I > have found it in many parts of NC and SC and it's almost like a surname > sometimes. I know it was connected with the Bush River Quaker meeting but I > have never been able to determine the origin or how this name was carried > through other families. > > Kathy Summers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keren Happuch is one of those rare names that identifies the family's religion. Every girl with the name was born to a practicing-Quaker family or named for a Quaker grandmother. Nobody used it except Quakers. You'll find the name in the Book of Job, Chapter 42, Verse 14. The three "replacement daughters" of Job, after all his first family had died, were called Jemima, Kezia and Kerenhappuch. The older established-religions required formal education prior to ordination and expected the seminary studies to include Greek, Latin and Hebrew. The ministers who read Biblical Hebrew knew that the names were part of a parable, and that people did not actually give their daughters those names in Old Testament times. Jemima means "warm and affectionate", Kezia(h) means cassia bark (an expensive medicinal spice, so health-promoting). Both of those names were used frequently--by all religions--in the 18th century. Keren-Happuch means cosmetic-horn, specifically a jewel-encrusted container made of ivory or precious metal to hold extremely luxurious eye makeup such as kohl or malachite. The Puritans and other denominations with seminary-trained ministers drew the line at that one: painted-up women were frowned upon, probably no better than Jezebels. Seminary education for ministers was neither required nor welcomed among the Friends of the day. Had they known that the word had connotations of "worldly, extravagant and ostentatious", they would certainly have avoided giving the name to their daughters! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Summers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [SC-BUSHRIVERQUAKERS] DNA projects Can you explain to me the proliferation of the name "karen Coppock?" I have found it in many parts of NC and SC and it's almost like a surname sometimes. I know it was connected with the Bush River Quaker meeting but I have never been able to determine the origin or how this name was carried through other families. Kathy Summers