Phil and all, Regarding my reference to Jesse Kirby's mother's name being Patience Watkins, my source is a message of 13 April 1997 titled "Descendants of Jesse Kirby, Sr" and posted by Don. The source is FTM Volume #3. I suspect that many of us either missed or later misplaced it. According to the same source, Jesse Kirby's (listed as Jesse Kirby, Jr) parents were Jesse Kirby, Sr (b: Edgecombe County) and Penelapah Parker (b: 1760 Nash County, NC). There is also a list of siblings of both Jesse, Jr. and Patience. In addition, the article posted by Dixie on 3 June 1997 (and written by Edith Asher Gray in 1983) states that Patience (daughter of Henry and Nanney) "was named for her maternal grandmother." I became a member of the Kirby list when it was started a few months ago. This is a source of a fantastic amount of material posted by different people. I have not been able to focus on all of this adequately. I see several Jesse Kirbys in the charts and other material. At least one does not seem to be our Jesse. From the date of birth that is given, I have very tentatively identified another as Jesse, Sr., and the lineage is traced back to the 1600s. The most important material I have received from the Kirby list seems to be the long article that was published in the Virginia Genealogist in 1979. Yes, it seems that our Kirbys came to North Carolina from Virginia. But I am stating all of this very tentatively. I will try to find time to put the seemingly relevant facts together in a more coherent form in the near future. Some of us may find it interesting that one member of the Kirby list has referred to evidence (which his father preserved but the location of which is not known now) that the Kirbys are related to George Washington. My apologies not only for bothering everyone with such tentative analysis but also to anybody who is a member of the Kirby list and has received the same information. But I know that it is easy to be overwhelmed with such material. As for first names, I missed several points about the sources of names given by Henry and Nanney to their fourteen. Notably, the names Patience and Piety reflect the influence of Pilgrim's Progress, which--as I understand--had a tremendous influence in those days (first published exactly a hundred years before Henry was born). If Henry and Nanney had any other book in their house in addition to the Bible, I would feel safe in guessing that it was Pilgrim's Progress. If they did not own a copy, there was surely one floating around in their neighborhood. They took one name, Patience, that the Watkins's had given to Nanney's mother and picked another name from Bunyan's book to match it (to be more exact, they chose the name Piety first and then decided to match it with the grandmother's name). Did I forget to point out that although none of the fourteen was clearly named for Henry (William Henry Crawford/Crawood notwithstanding), the thirteenth child was named Nancy (at least according to the list I am not looking at)? Is it not slightly unusual for a girl to be named for her mother?Again, the preference for maternal forebears' names. One final question. You mention that you are looking for Nancy's grave. I infer that you know the tradition--which I first heard in a message from Cheryl a few months ago--that she died during a trip to visit her relatives in North Carolina. Glenn ***************************************** Glenn E. Perry Department of Political Science Indiana State University Terre Haute, IN 47809 USA E-Mail: psperrg@scifac.indstate.edu (812)237-2505 (office) (812)234-5661 (home) ****************************************