Well now.... our family origins are as clear as mud... No I am not complaining. There has been some very fascinating discussion lately, A lot of you have put in a GREAT deal of work and are continuing to do so. I for one want to tell you that you are appreciated. I am home with small children and am unable to put in a lot of research hours unless it is on the web after bedtimes. Several years ago BC (before children) I did a good deal of research on my Humfleet/Umphlete side with most of it now on computer but dead-ended on the Sasser connection. Again thank you and keep up the good work! Debbie Humfleet Mauelshagen ------------------------------