To Glenn Perry et al, I have just gotten around to reading a lot of mail I had "saved for later". My family had the same story of how Jesse died - the woman putting poison in milk she gave him. I wonder why he joined a Tennessee unit. I think my grandmother said he "enlisted" against his will, but you would know more about that than I. Cheryl Meecha ------------------------------
About the record on JOSIAH SASSER from Ida Brooks Kellam, listing four of his children with ELIZABETH BRYAN: I believe this was JOSIAH SASSER Senior and he apparently had more than four children with Elizabeth. His will names the children mentioned in the record from Ida. His children should also include JOSIAH SASSER Junior. Josiah Sr. devised land to his son Josiah Jr. prior to his death about 1781. Josiah Jr. later apparently sold this tract of land to his brother JOHN. In 1803, John, through a deed of gift, gave this same land to his two brothers WILLIAM and LEWIS SASSER. William died in March, 1815, without any children (he may not have married). His estate records indicate he had a sister, ELIZABETH SASSER, who was not married as of 1817. There apparently was another daughter, MARY ("Polly") SASSER, born in 1779 who married first to WILLIAM STEVENS and after his death, to BENJAMIN BRYAN. On my family sheet of JOSIAH Sr., I have the notation: 1832 Johnston Co., NC (Elizabeth--Deed) and 1833 Twiggs Co., Georgia. For the life of me, I cannot figure out what the 1833 Twiggs Co., Ga. notation is for because I didn't write it on the family sheet. Normally, I put down a date and location for a record I find, on the front of my family sheets to let me know where they were living at a particular time (especially for the census records). I checked to see if I had a deed record in Twiggs County but can't find it. Did Elizabeth and her second husband move to Georgia? By way of explanation of why some children are not included in wills (besides the age-old problem of favoritism): in many cases, a father would give his sons land or other property as they came of age, to help them get started with their own families. It was customary to give the children property through "deeds of gift", so if you can't find a will for an ancestor, try looking for such deeds. If you luck up, you may find one which generally states "I give unto my beloved son...(or daughter)...". I know of quite a number of old counties that have only a handful of wills but if you check the deeds, they may turn out to be a gold mine of family information. Robert Earl Woodham ------------------------------
I received two emails tonight from Ralph Mauelshagen. He included attachments with both messages. Unfortunately, I am unable to read them, as I have been unable to read almost all the attachments I have received since I got online two months ago. A good number of kinfolks have sent me attachments but I keep getting messages that I can't view them for various reasons. In this case, I get the message: "You have started to download a file of type applications/ms-tnet Click "More Info" to learn how to extend Navigator's capabilities." This in turn takes you to a page titled: "Plug-In Finder" "Your plug-in type is applications/ms-tnef. Netscape doesn't know of a plug-in for your plug-in type." I have already bought a zip program and can't afford much more right now. Any advice of how to view such attachments? Robert Earl Woodham ------------------------------
Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > The original message was received at Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:55:02 -0500 > from fh102f.infi.net [208.131.160.101] > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > <ralph@psyberlink.net> (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > deliver: can't create lockfile /var/spool/mail/ralph.lock: File exists > deliver: delivery error on host waverly. > Delivery to these addresses failed: > ralph > Reason(s) for failure: > "ralph": Can't write to mailbox > 554 <ralph@psyberlink.net>... unknown mailer error 1 > > ----- Original message follows ----- > Return-Path: woodham@leo.infi.net > Received: from fh102.infi.net (fh102f.infi.net [208.131.160.101]) by waverly.psyberlink.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA20896 for <ralph@psyberlink.net>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:55:02 -0500 > Received: from pa2dsp12.csg.infi.net (pa2dsp12.csg.infi.net [207.0.197.60]) > by fh102.infi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00680 > for <ralph@psyberlink.net>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:56:00 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <33923652.35F@leo.infi.net> > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 19:56:18 -0700 > From: Robert Earl Woodham <woodham@leo.infi.net> > Reply-To: woodham@leo.infi.net > Organization: InfiNet > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: "Ralph J. Mauelshagen" <ralph@psyberlink.net> > Subject: Sasser family > References: <01BC6E91.2E1E9240@net51.psyberlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear Ralph, > > Back again. Sorry but I had to stop and write down most of your lettr. > For some reason, my printer will not print about 4/5 of the page. > > ALSO, you have an attachment. Unfortunately, I cannot read it. I am a > newbie on the Internet: been online for two months now. So far, I have > received several attachments (having various types of encoding). Not > until this morning have I been able to read a single one. And this one > just happened to be in a family history program that I have. Netscape > jumped into my program as soon as I clicked on it. I was off line for > almost three weeks because my 170 MB hard drive filled up and crashed. > A friend from work added another hard drive but when reloading fonts, it > crashed again. I lost all the attachments I had been saving in my > mailbox until I could figure out how to view them. Since I got back > online, I have received more and still can't view any of them. > > I use a small, inexpensive desktop publisher and my friend added an old > version of WordPerfect for me two weeks ago. I still can't get > WordPerfect to read any of these. I also had to buy a zip program. > I remember having one email with the same encoding that your's has > "ms-tnef". I believe the prefix means Microsoft but don't have any idea > what the tnef is. When I try to read most of the attachments, they come > out as garbage (symbols, etc.). Do you have any suggestions of what I > could do to read attachments. This is really frustrating. > > Now, to the p.s. portion of your letter. > > Yes, I have considered the idea that there could have been more than one > immigration of Sasser's. Did you read my last message completely? > Please note that I mentioned the fact that JOHN SASSER came to Virginia > (then to NC) aboard the ship "Jubilee" from Essex, England in the year > 1742. This was AFTER Sasser's were already in Maryland AND > North Carolina. Did you overlook this item? > > As for any other Sasser's coming to America since Colonial times, there > just may have been several. However, this question is not what the list > group is considering nor am I. We were talking about the origins of our > Colonial ancestors. > > As for any "movement between Germany and England over the past 500 > years?", there has been a handful of people moving both ways, as > attested by the present royal house of England and the last ruling house > of Germany. The British hired themselves a German prince back in the > 1700's to be their king. And his descendant, Queen Victoria, was the > grandmother of Kaiser Wilhelm. But as for commoners, there was VERY > little immigration from Germany's various states to England between the > 1500's and our own colonial period, at least not that I have read about. > > I am very aware of the Salzburgers. They founded one colony in Georgia > at Ebenezer. This colony failed and the settlement was abandoned. The > vast majority of these immigrants first settled in what is now parts of > Dorchester County and adjoining Orangeburg County--not on the Savannah > River as you said. That came later as new generations looked for more > land. > > One of those German settlers in Dorchester was my own ancestor, by the > name of INFINGER > (spelled Enfinger by the majority of descendants outside South Carolina > today). I am the Infinger/Enfinger family historian and have quite a > collection of records on the family. > I am very proud of this ancestry. (incidentally, you will note that in > many instances, I prefer to use Saxon ("true" English) words such as > folk rather than the Latin-origin words imported into England by the > Normans, such as "people" because I AM very proud of my Saxon ancestry) > > As for there being "more people of German descent than English (per the > 1980 Census)", > I do not dispute your word because I simply do not have the figures to > do so. However, > I can guarantee you that folks of German descent do NOT outnumber those > of English in a single one of the Southern states. I have never studied > the population statistics of any northern state. > > As I tried to point out in my message but apparently failed to get the > idea across to you in particular, the 13 American Colonies were founded > by England, by and for English colonists. When those 13 colonies > declared their independence, the vast majority of white population > within them were still English. Yes, there were colonies of foreigners > scattered throughout the Colonies, notably the Pennsylvania Deutch > (German), the colony in South Carolina and the Scots in Sampson and > adjoining counties of North Carolina. To my knowledge, there were no > "waves" of German immigrants into the South. If you can cite any such > movements in significant numbers of folk, please let me know. > > As for the Germans who came to America after our independence, I did not > consider them nor should they even enter into our consideration. After > all, we are not debating the massive German immigrations of the 1850's > (to the Midwest) and later. We are talking about OUR ancestor's > origins--aren't we? > > You seem to have really gotten "hot under the collar" about this German > question. Even to the extent of citing such huge German immigration > that they now outnumber the original founders of the country. Do you > have a bias AGAINST English ancestry? > > As for considering that "people of the time did not necessarily learn in > public schools as we know them today?" Yes, for in fact, most of the > people who learned to read and write were taught by others who > could--outside any kind of school. I have read a number of works on > education in pioneer days. The educational level of the Colonists was > on a par with their cousins in England. Our mother country was no > better off when it came to literacy. > > By the 1830's, most of the Southern states had county "poor schools", > for the folks who could not afford to send their children to private, > tuition-supported academies. By the 1850's, almost every county in > Georgia (and North Carolina) had at least one such "poor school", > supported by a poor-school tax levied upon property holders. All such > schools were one-room facilities with only one teacher for all grades > normally. > > As for the "infested with as much ignorance as you suggest?" bit, I > would recommend that you read some of the published academic studies of > education in the South prior to the 20th Century. Have you ever done > much research on the census records. I have. In fact, I have spent > several thousand hours over the years, poring over every name in every > county in every state in the South for every census from 1800 to 1850. > I did this long before all the indexes were published which now make it > so easy to find someone. > > In fact, I was one of the first persons to use the National Archives > branch in Atlanta on a regular basis and was directly responsible for > getting them to install microfilm readers for the publis. When I began > using their facility, they had only one reader, on a table in the > officer of the director/chief archivist. I also talked him into buying > the indexes as they were published (to cut down on the wear and tear of > the microfilm). > > That director can attest to the thousands of hours I have spent there. > In addition, I have also spent many more hours at local public libraries > on census records. > > If you look at many of these census records, they will enlighten you on > the number of folks who can or cannot read and write, for this was one > of the categories of questions asked on the census records for many > years it has been taken. Those census records have provided the > statistics for many historians to publish authoritative studies of the > educational level of the general population. > > I forgot to mention, my Daddy also attended a one-teacher school and my > mother did in grammar school but attended a modern brick, multi-room > high school built by President Roosevelt during the Great Depression. > In fact, our little rural county got three new brick schools built by > Roosevelt's administration. I later went to one of them. > > As my Granddaddy and on Daddy's side, my Grandmother both told me, there > is a BIG difference between ignorance and a "lack of schooling". I > don't consider the South as being "infested with ignorance". On the > contrary, they could not have survived in the new wilderness if they had > been ignorant. Illiterate? Yes--the VAST majority were. And all the > facts bear this out. > > I have visited several hundred courthouses in my lifetime, in Virginia, > North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, > Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas and Kentucky. I took a year of law school > just to be able to understand legal documents for both my family history > hobby as well as my journalism profession (I always enjoyed covering > politics). I have read many thousands of deeds, estate records, wills > and other legal documents in courthouses, church records, private > papers, etc. over the years and I can testify to the fact that most such > records in Colonial times were signed with a mark by folks who could not > read nor write. In fact, I have seen documents wherein all the > witnesses had to sign with a mark, something that should have been > illegal (you can't "witness" a document if you can't read it!). > > I have xerox copies of hundreds of documents made prior to 1900 in which > one or more persons had to sign with a mark. > > By the way, my collection of family records now includes more than 3,000 > notebooks full of records, plus a walkin closet full of boxes and more > in the kitchen, plus two nine-drawer chests full. I am not a beginner > when it comes to research, on either family history nor Southern > history. This has been my hobby now for more than 45 years, starting > when I was 12 years old. Southern history has also been my life-long > love. > > Must close and try to get to bed. I work at night and sleep days and > SHOULD have been in bed at 8 this morning (it is now 8 PM). Been trying > to answer a pile of mail all day. > > More later, > Your cuz, > Robert Earl Woodham > Columbus, Georgia This was the first one I tried to send (I think). ------------------------------
Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > The original message was received at Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:54:47 -0500 > from fh102f.infi.net [208.131.160.101] > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > <ralph@psyberlink.net> (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > deliver: can't create lockfile /var/spool/mail/ralph.lock: File exists > deliver: delivery error on host waverly. > Delivery to these addresses failed: > ralph > Reason(s) for failure: > "ralph": Can't write to mailbox > 554 <ralph@psyberlink.net>... unknown mailer error 1 > > ----- Original message follows ----- > Return-Path: woodham@leo.infi.net > Received: from fh102.infi.net (fh102f.infi.net [208.131.160.101]) by waverly.psyberlink.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA20886 for <ralph@psyberlink.net>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:54:47 -0500 > Received: from pa2dsp12.csg.infi.net (pa2dsp12.csg.infi.net [207.0.197.60]) > by fh102.infi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00831 > for <ralph@psyberlink.net>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:55:51 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <33921EEC.3B05@leo.infi.net> > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 18:16:28 -0700 > From: Robert Earl Woodham <woodham@leo.infi.net> > Reply-To: woodham@leo.infi.net > Organization: InfiNet > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: "Ralph J. Mauelshagen" <ralph@psyberlink.net> > Subject: Sasser family > References: <01BC6E91.2E1E9240@net51.psyberlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear Cuz, > > Sorry cuz, I did not mean to tread upon any toes. I had to look up the > real meaning of the word because although I have spent most of my life > as a writer, I am not in the habit of using it. > > "To assume an air of superiority." I don't believe this is the meaning > you intended. > > "To descend to a less formal level..." This is the meaning I prefer. > And I have ALWAYS > preferred to be on a "less formal level" with family. In Spanish, for > instance, they have a pronoun which is used for friends and family and > another word which is used for strangers and acquaintenances. Were I > Spanish, I would NEVER think of using anything but the informal words > with my own kinsmen. > > I was born and raised on a farm in South Georgia, where we are informal > with everyone--that is just our friendly nature. To this day, folks > down there still throw up their hand as they pass another car on the > rural roads. You speak to EVERYONE you meet on the street, whether you > know them or not. Not to do so is considered an insult. > In times past, a man doffed his hat when he met a lady on the street and > moved to the side. > > Now, if my pattern of speech offends you then you are apparently not > familiar with country folk from the Deep South. We don't mean to be > forward, we just like to be friends with anybody and everybody. I have > often heard other folks say of my Granddaddy that "He never met a > stranger". I have tried to follow in his footsteps. > > My Granddaddy had only an eighth-grade education; he attended a one-room > school with one teacher and there was only eight grades. Yet he had > self-educated himself well beyond those eight grades and was a wise and > kind gentleman. I would NEVER have thought of "talking down" to him > even though I had more education. > > For several years, I was a writer in my small hometown and covered > Southwest Georgia for a metropolitan newspaper. The first time my > editor came down and visited me in person at a resturant there, he > sternly asked me why I was not wearing a suit and tie. He pointed out > that I was representing the newspaper and should always put my best > appearance forward. I asked him to look around him (we were in the > nicest resturant in town) and see if he could find anyone wearing a suit > and tie. The only one present who did was a lawyer and politician. I > was NOT acting "condescendingly" by "dressing down", I was simply > dressing normally as my friends and neighbors did in my hometown. > > My editor learned a lesson from that visit, he later told me. He also > advised me (not the first one to do so) to remember that I was writing > for a mass audience and to use "everyday" language. Yet while writing > for the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION, I had to change the style > somewhat. And still another change when I was assistant editor of > several magazines with an international circulation. > > I learned this lesson many times over in my life. I once was an avid > cave explorer and I learned on many trips to the mountains of north > Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee that you can never appear to be a "big > city slicker" to the folks who live in those areas. There are folks in > some of those back hollows who can be very anti-social to one of those > slickers from Atlanta yet very friendly to a country boy from South > Georgia. > > Now, if you perceived my messages as "shouting and angry", that is > certainly not the intent I meant to convey. > > On the contrary, I simply wished to convey the facts that we had > kinfolks in America who came from ENGLAND and not Germany as was being > reported almost on a daily basis through > the discussion group. I read the reports for about three weeks before I > finally sent the first message (the server was supposed to send an > automatic message but it never sent me info on how to post messages). > During that time, no one even mentioned the fact there were Sasser's in > America before the reported immigration in 1735 from Germany, nor did > anyone mention anything about England. > > That was why my first message was on this subject. I don't think I was > shouting nor did I intend to. However, I have been in the journalism > profession too long to believe that someone would be offended by a "new" > idea different from their own. > > (for some reason, my printer won't print beyond the (b) line, down to > "Thank you." > and then prints only one additional line (beginning an immigrations). > I keep having to make the window smaller so I can refer back to your > letter. > More on the way... > Your cuz, > Robert Earl Does anyone know who Ralph Mauelshagen is? He included attachments to both his letters. Unfortunately, my email is now corrupted. I tried to send a reply to the List more than a dozen times and each time, fewer boxes appear, to the point that NO box was showing on the mailbox ("Mail To, etc.) and I started to exit. This is one of the copies that I tried to send. Hope it gets through. These came back when I tried to send them to Ralph. ------------------------------
Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > The original message was received at Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:54:47 -0500 > from fh102f.infi.net [208.131.160.101] > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > <ralph@psyberlink.net> (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > deliver: can't create lockfile /var/spool/mail/ralph.lock: File exists > deliver: delivery error on host waverly. > Delivery to these addresses failed: > ralph > Reason(s) for failure: > "ralph": Can't write to mailbox > 554 <ralph@psyberlink.net>... unknown mailer error 1 > > ----- Original message follows ----- > Return-Path: woodham@leo.infi.net > Received: from fh102.infi.net (fh102f.infi.net [208.131.160.101]) by waverly.psyberlink.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA20886 for <ralph@psyberlink.net>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:54:47 -0500 > Received: from pa2dsp12.csg.infi.net (pa2dsp12.csg.infi.net [207.0.197.60]) > by fh102.infi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00831 > for <ralph@psyberlink.net>; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:55:51 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <33921EEC.3B05@leo.infi.net> > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 18:16:28 -0700 > From: Robert Earl Woodham <woodham@leo.infi.net> > Reply-To: woodham@leo.infi.net > Organization: InfiNet > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: "Ralph J. Mauelshagen" <ralph@psyberlink.net> > Subject: Sasser family > References: <01BC6E91.2E1E9240@net51.psyberlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear Cuz, > > Sorry cuz, I did not mean to tread upon any toes. I had to look up the > real meaning of the word because although I have spent most of my life > as a writer, I am not in the habit of using it. > > "To assume an air of superiority." I don't believe this is the meaning > you intended. > > "To descend to a less formal level..." This is the meaning I prefer. > And I have ALWAYS > preferred to be on a "less formal level" with family. In Spanish, for > instance, they have a pronoun which is used for friends and family and > another word which is used for strangers and acquaintenances. Were I > Spanish, I would NEVER think of using anything but the informal words > with my own kinsmen. > > I was born and raised on a farm in South Georgia, where we are informal > with everyone--that is just our friendly nature. To this day, folks > down there still throw up their hand as they pass another car on the > rural roads. You speak to EVERYONE you meet on the street, whether you > know them or not. Not to do so is considered an insult. > In times past, a man doffed his hat when he met a lady on the street and > moved to the side. > > Now, if my pattern of speech offends you then you are apparently not > familiar with country folk from the Deep South. We don't mean to be > forward, we just like to be friends with anybody and everybody. I have > often heard other folks say of my Granddaddy that "He never met a > stranger". I have tried to follow in his footsteps. > > My Granddaddy had only an eighth-grade education; he attended a one-room > school with one teacher and there was only eight grades. Yet he had > self-educated himself well beyond those eight grades and was a wise and > kind gentleman. I would NEVER have thought of "talking down" to him > even though I had more education. > > For several years, I was a writer in my small hometown and covered > Southwest Georgia for a metropolitan newspaper. The first time my > editor came down and visited me in person at a resturant there, he > sternly asked me why I was not wearing a suit and tie. He pointed out > that I was representing the newspaper and should always put my best > appearance forward. I asked him to look around him (we were in the > nicest resturant in town) and see if he could find anyone wearing a suit > and tie. The only one present who did was a lawyer and politician. I > was NOT acting "condescendingly" by "dressing down", I was simply > dressing normally as my friends and neighbors did in my hometown. > > My editor learned a lesson from that visit, he later told me. He also > advised me (not the first one to do so) to remember that I was writing > for a mass audience and to use "everyday" language. Yet while writing > for the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION, I had to change the style > somewhat. And still another change when I was assistant editor of > several magazines with an international circulation. > > I learned this lesson many times over in my life. I once was an avid > cave explorer and I learned on many trips to the mountains of north > Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee that you can never appear to be a "big > city slicker" to the folks who live in those areas. There are folks in > some of those back hollows who can be very anti-social to one of those > slickers from Atlanta yet very friendly to a country boy from South > Georgia. > > Now, if you perceived my messages as "shouting and angry", that is > certainly not the intent I meant to convey. > > On the contrary, I simply wished to convey the facts that we had > kinfolks in America who came from ENGLAND and not Germany as was being > reported almost on a daily basis through > the discussion group. I read the reports for about three weeks before I > finally sent the first message (the server was supposed to send an > automatic message but it never sent me info on how to post messages). > During that time, no one even mentioned the fact there were Sasser's in > America before the reported immigration in 1735 from Germany, nor did > anyone mention anything about England. > > That was why my first message was on this subject. I don't think I was > shouting nor did I intend to. However, I have been in the journalism > profession too long to believe that someone would be offended by a "new" > idea different from their own. > > (for some reason, my printer won't print beyond the (b) line, down to > "Thank you." > and then prints only one additional line (beginning an immigrations). > I keep having to make the window smaller so I can refer back to your > letter. > More on the way... > Your cuz, > Robert Earl ------------------------------
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 97 15:02:09 EDT From: "Charles S. Miller" <CSMILLR@VM.SC.EDU> Subject: Sasser Family To: l-request@ROOTSWEB.COM I am relatively new to all this and, therefore, I do not know what has come bef ore I joined this discussion list. I am a descendant of Thomas Sasser of Burke and Screven County, Georgia. I understand that he is a descendant of William of Wayne County, NC. It would be very helpful to me to review the 18th century information you all h ave gathered on the Sassers in NC. Unlike some others, apparently, I DO THINK it is significant that he had sons named Howell and Britton. There are several Howells in the Burke-Screven area but relatively few, if any, Brittons. If th ere are records in NC that show the presence of either of these two families in areas where the Sassers lived, then, I believe, that is significant. I wish I had known about this discussion group a couple of weeks ago. My wife and I just returned from a long Memorial Day weekend in Delaware. I had time on my hands and it would have been relatively easy to drive down from Middletow n and check out records on the Delmarva Peninsula. Has anyone checked to see if any of these records have been published? If not, is anyone near enough Baltimore to check the Maryland House of Records (this may be at Annapolis, I am not certain). Maryland records are SUPPOSED to have been kept superbly. Their Archives is a treasure house for historians in that there are many more than for VA for the same period. Anyone able to make the trip? These records as well as those for NC need to be compiled. Until this is done, there will be lots of conversation and speculation but little real genealogy. Again, however, let me say that this is new to me and I do not know what has preceded my entry to the conversation/discussion. Thanks. ------------------------------
Josiah Sasser wife Elizabeth Bryan after Josiah's death remarried Col Wm Blackman record from Ida Brooks Kellam, Wilmington, NC. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% John Blackman John Blackman, son of Col. Wm. & Eliz, ( Bryan) Sasser Blackman, b. 24 March 1787, d 26 Apr 1852, m 1st to Margaret McAuley, m. 2nd to Candis Gunter. Children by first wife Barbara b. 1 Jan 1817 Mary b. 14 Feb 1818 Elizabeth C. b. 14 Jan 1821 Delitha Ann b. 15 Aug 1819 Margaret b. 13 Feb 1822 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Descendants of Elisabeth Bryan 1 Bryan, Elizabeth b: 1751 d: 1842 .. +Sasser, Josiah b: Abt 1744 d: Abt 1781 December 10, 1770 in Johnston Co. NC ...... 2 Sasser, John ...... 2 Sasser, William d: 1815 in Smithfield NC ...... 2 Sasser, Susanna ...... 2 Sasser, Joseph *2nd Husband of Elizabeth Bryan: .. +Blackman, William Abt 1783 ...... 2 Blackman, John b: March 24, 1784 d: April 26, 1852 .......... +McAuley, Margaret ............... 3 Blackman, Barbara b: January 01, 1817 ............... 3 Blackman, Mary b: February 14, 1818 ............... 3 Blackman, Elizabeth b: January 14, 1821 ............... 3 Blackman, Delitha Ann b: August 15, 1819 ............... 3 Blackman, Margaret b: February 13, 1822 ...... *2nd Wife of John Blackman: .......... +Gunter, Candis Does anyone have anything else to add or see any errors Thanks, Don Sasser ------------------------------
Doug, Don't expect to find too many documents on our Sasser family dated before the 1800's. And especially don't expect to find anything "saying that they had moved from Maryland to North Carolina". Folks in the 1730's and 1740's couldn't run down to Walmart and buy a pack of paper just so they could write down some history to leave to posterity. In fact, in that age, you could travel 200 miles or more across the South without finding a single piece of paper. Paper was very rare and very valuable--it had to be imported all the way from England. And why would anyone need it besides a public official--no one could read and write anyway! There were no "public" schools; only a very few private academies in the larger towns. In fact, public schools did not become well-established in most Southern states until the late 1800's. You could write tons of books today about why there is such a scarcity of records which have been preserved. I have already written tons of letters to cousins who can't understand why they can't find birth or death certificates from the 1920's. You first have to have some idea of what life was like in pioneer days to understand why don't have more records from that period. As for speculation, what we DO know is that our Sasser family was in Somerset County, Maryland in 1724. This fact is from a 1724 tax list: this tax list included Benjamin, Thomas and William. Sasser's remained there when our ancestors moved on south into the new (and better) lands in North Carolina. They can still be found in Somerset County on the first US census of 1790 and still later. The fact also remains that the Sasser family name can be found in ENGLAND since the 1500's when "family" (or surnames) names came into general use among commoners. They can be found in several English counties but were concentrated in southeastern England. There is also the fact that JOHN SASSER came to the colonies in 1742 from ESSEX County, England aboard the English ship "Jubilee. I do not know whether he had made a trip to England or whether he was a new immigrant. In any event, Sasser's were already in North Carolina by this time. All this bit about our family being from Germany reminds me a lot of having to spend so much time dispelling the tales of a "Cherokee Indian princess and an Irishman" ancestors among literally thousands of Southern families. If we need documents for proof, then we SHOULD be concerned with about the supposed German origin is that BEFORE we can accept this, there must be a legimitate document showing they came from Germany. So far, I don't know of any document showing our Sasser ancestors came from Germany. If there is no public document showing a German origin, let's forget it and get on with research on our REAL origins. More later on the origins of our family if anyone wants to hear about this. Robert Earl Woodham Columbus, Georgia ------------------------------
Dear Vietta, It's funny you mention poring hot coffee into a saucer and blowing on it. My Mother and Dad as well as my aunts and uncles did the same... thanks, Don Sasser ---------- From: VKeith3711@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 1997 4:38 PM To: SASSER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: SASSER-L About our ancestors' name being Sasser. On January 17, 1841, when my gggrandmother Malinda "Lindy" and Millington (Milton) B. Jones received their marriage license in Laurel County, KY, her name was recorded "Saucer." That intrigued when I first saw it, because when I was a little girl living on Beech Creek in Clay County, the old folks used to pour their coffee out of the cup into the "sasser." They blew on it to cool it down, and then drank from the sasser. I'm sure those of them who could write would have spelled that piece of dinnerware "saucer." Vietta ------------------------------
Funny we should be on the subject of colloquialisms (sp?). I have just recently been reading a transcript of an 1897 Kentucky divorce in which several family members and community residents gave depositions. (Yes, cousins, it used to be HARD to get a divorce). Examples of phrases: "She got her budget and left." (Purse, handbag or overnight bag). "I don't recollect." (Remember). "They yagered." (Chronic argument). "There was a frackus." (Big fight). Vietta ------------------------------
In a message dated 97-05-31 21:42:50 EDT, SASSER-L@rootsweb.com writes: > Dear Cousins, > > I have been reading the discussions now for a number of days but still > haven't heard anyone say anything about the fact our Sasser ancestors > lived in MARYLAND before they moved to North Carolina in the 1730's. > > Has anyone done any serious research in Maryland yet? I haven't done serious research, but I have picked up some abstracts of land records, wills, and church records. I found Sassers with names William, Thomas, and Benjamin from the early 1700's, and these names do appear in NC. I also receive an e-mail once from a descendent of John Sasser (d. 1782, Wayne County, NC) who claimed that the Sassers did migrate from Maryland. In addition, I did some reading on migration into NC. The NC coast is not favorable for landing ships, and most people did migrate into the state via Virginia. In spite of all this, I haven't found any documents so far that say that Maryland Sassers moved to North Carolina or that tie NC Sassers to MD. The early documents for NC are sparse, and I have not located any documents in the NC State archives that tell us where the Sassers came from. I did find a book about Marylanders who moved to NC, and I could not find any listing for Sassers. Of course, this doesn't mean it didn't happen. Unfortunately, unless someone discovers documents that tie NC Sassers to MD, Germany, or anywhere else, all we can do is speculate beyond what we know. Doug Sherman dougsherma@aol.com ------------------------------
> About our ancestors' name being Sasser. On January 17, 1841, when my > gggrandmother Malinda "Lindy" and Millington (Milton) B. Jones received > their > marriage license in Laurel County, KY, her name was recorded "Saucer." That > intrigued when I first saw it, because when I was a little girl living on > Beech Creek in Clay County, the old folks used to pour their coffee out of > the cup into the "sasser." They blew on it to cool it down, and then drank > from the sasser. I'm sure those of them who could write would have spelled > that piece of dinnerware "saucer." > > Vietta I haven't studied spelling from previous centuries, but I have noticed in reading old documents that it was not as rigorous as it is today, and it seemed to be phonetic to a certain extent. I have copies of letters, notes, and wills from ancestors as far back as the late 1700's, and I have found all kinds of spelling mistakes by our standards. I don't think they were as concerned about correct spelling as much as we are, and they probably wrote words that were close to what they said. What is interesting is that when you read their writing, I think you pick up some of the dialect that was spoken. For example, in one of the letters I have from the early 1900's, an ancestor wrote "clost" for "close." I'm sure she wrote it that way because that is the way she spoke it. I find that interesting because my pastor is from eastern Tennessee, and I hear him say "clost" every so often. However, he would never write it that way. With regard to "Saucer" and "Sasser," the documents I have that were written by Sassers spell it "Sasser." It seems that other officials (e.g., county clerks and census takers) were the ones who would spell it "Saucer" (a good example is the 1790 Census for Johnston County and Wayne County, NC, where all Sassers are Saucers). This could reflect the way it was pronounced, or it could reflect the officials ability to spell the name. Other fun examples I have in my family tree are Parman (also spelled Permen, Pearmen, Permin), Cheek (also spelled Chick), and Snawder (also spelled Snorder and Snorther). Doug Sherman dougsherma@aol.com ------------------------------
In a message dated 97-05-31 20:12:13 EDT, you write: << Are you related to Claude Sasser of Millen, GA? >> To the best of my knowledge, the answer is no. I've never even heard of him. Sorry. Wish I could help. ------------------------------
To C.S.Miller Are you related to Claude Sasser of Millen, GA? Please email me privately at esimmons@magicnet.net Thanks, Elaine ------------------------------
Does any one have any information on Nancy Catherine Sasser , 1st daughter of Abraham Henry ( 1864-1925)and Lousia Russel Sasser ------------------------------
About our ancestors' name being Sasser. On January 17, 1841, when my gggrandmother Malinda "Lindy" and Millington (Milton) B. Jones received their marriage license in Laurel County, KY, her name was recorded "Saucer." That intrigued when I first saw it, because when I was a little girl living on Beech Creek in Clay County, the old folks used to pour their coffee out of the cup into the "sasser." They blew on it to cool it down, and then drank from the sasser. I'm sure those of them who could write would have spelled that piece of dinnerware "saucer." Vietta ------------------------------
Dear Robert, I am sorry you did not receive the instructions to post to our list... This list originally was @maiser.pop.indiana.edu. However, that server crashed due to being spammed. There were several hundred lists on it that were moved to @rootsweb.com. I am in a learning curve on the new server at rootsweb.. Please be patient.... as I learn the new commands. I do not know who originated the story of Sasser's coming from Hiemershiem. I first received a copy of it from a cousin. I later have seen it in 'The Branches of Laurel'. volume lll, 1988 page 31. Published by Laurel County Historical Society, London, Ky. 40741. It was submitted by Col. George Sasser. I have "heard" that Sasser was from Armenia as well as France. I have "heard" Kleinsasser and Desaucer as the original names. We do know that several Sasser's were in NC in the 1700's. William Sasser married Martha in 1778 and had a son named Henry Sasser. Henry married Nancy Kirby and Abt 1826 moved to Laurel Co Ky. with his children. Four Generations may be seen at http://www.familytreemaker.co/users/s/a/s/Don-L-Sasser/ Any insight you can give us to the origin of Sasser's will be appreciated. Thanks, Don Sasser ---------- From: Robert Earl Woodham Sent: Saturday, May 31, 1997 11:45 AM To: SASSER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SASSER-L I still haven't gotten any instructions about how to send a message to the discussion group, so if this gets to you--Great! HOW in the world did this malarky about our Sasser family coming to North Carolina from "Heimershien, Germany" get started and what is the source for this idea? I have noticed from some online source that Don was talking about this and about a revolution in this area and that "Johann" Sasser and Thomas fled because of religions persecution, etc. and that a cousin born there later joined them many years later during the American Revolutionary War for Independence. They supposedly left Germany "after the 1735 invasion". If they left Germany AFTER 1735, then why do we find SASSER ancestors in America BEFORE that date? The only wave of German immigrants that I know of to settle in the South came to South Carolina and settled mostly northwest of Charleston (one of my ancestors was among these). They did NOT move north into North Carolina. And if our SASSER ancestors were supposed to be Germans, then why do we find the SASSER family name in ENGLAND long before this 1735 exodus? Robert Earl Woodham Columbus, Georgia ------------------------------
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Mike is now a member of this list... Subj: Re: family tree inf.....from Mike Sasser Date: 97-05-18 23:18:16 EDT From: Mikel Sas Hy Don....I hope this inf. helps you. My great-grandfather was Abraham Henry born April 5, 1864. He married Louisa Russell. Their child Nancy Catherine, stayed in Kentucky when the family moved to Oregon in 1903. Abraham and his second wife Margaret Elizabeth Hammack, their 7 children moved to Wallowa County Oregon. My Grandfather John Wesley, born Jan 19, 1897....died March 14 1967...1st wife, Gladys Baker, died 1922, gave birth to one child , my father Cecil E. Sasser...born Sept 16 1921, died June 13, 1977... Wesley then Married Pearl Winters in 1924. They had 2 children , Wesley Eugene and Velma Calista ( Winningham ) . I am attaching some files that you might find interesting . By the way, how are you related to me? Also add my name to your discussion group and send inf. about it. I hope this gets to you, electricity keeps going out ------------------------------