Do you have any record of a John William Sasser? Helen

Hello , to answer an E Mail question I ran across a copy of a Map I had copied , thought everyone might be interested, this is only info on the book where I copied it from though. Division of Archives and History, Deptartment of Cultural Resources NC from D.L. Corbett, The Formation of North Carolina 1943. copied maps of counties and Johnston Co map hand written . Did you know there was at one time a Sasser Swamp ? Gail Johnston Co Map ( not to scale ) Locations marked on this map of family names give the general area of the county. There people of this name settled 1746 to present time. Rivers , creeks bear names used 1750's to present time. Approx. location of Green's Path 1700-18-- Approx. location of Old Roads reffered to in Wills,between 1800-1870 leading to Smithfield, Goldsborough,Fayetville, Raleigh, Lewisburg ? and Tarborough. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Glenn, even though Wallace's linage is omitted, I'd still like to have a copy -- especially to show my dad. Please send it to Sue Lynn Sasser, 201 St Louis Avenue, Fulton, MO 65251. I'll make a copy and send it on to Dad. Thought you might also like to know that Dad had the picture of Wallace, Champ and Cora framed and it is now in their living room. My dad is in failing health (at age 77). He almost cried when I sent him a copy of the photo -- it was the first time he had ever seen a picture of any of his grandparents. So, I really do appreciate the efforts being made by you and others to preserve and share our heritage. Sue Lynn

What John Sasser do you speak of? I have a John B. and a John S. Sasser.

Dear Earl, Does anybody know where the John Sasser who got the land grant came from?? Who his ancestors were?? My family are direct descendants - we have a photo copy of the land grant that somebody got from the NC State records. I have seen the house, and it doesn't look two hundred and some years old but who knows?? John Sasser

Hi, My grandfather is Delphine Monroe "Dell" Sasser born in Covington Co., AL (Conflicting reports say Webster Co., GA) He died June, 1949 and is buried in Kinston, AL Brooklyn Church Cemetery. He married MarY Jane "Molly" White born in Pike Co., AL Listed in the Coffee Co., AL. census included Genie Ethel (my grandmother) age 19 Annie B. 17 (moved to Texas) Edward 15 Alonzo 14 Arthur 13 Noah 11 Jessie 9 Alvenia 7 (married Raley) May 6 (married Ellenburg) Fayett 3 (married a Lottie) Bertha 2 married Maddox) Jay D. 1 (My aunt also tells me there was Albert, Etta Dean, Ott, Ruby (Farris))) >From the Internet I have found out that his parents were John B. Sasser and Charity Whittle. John B. was born in 1826 in Barbour Co., Al a son of John S. Sasser and his first wife was Elizabeth (?) . John B. moved to Pike Co., AL Linda Spears Bussler

In a message dated 7/25/98 4:44:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psperrg@scifac.indstate.edu writes: << I previously promised to send a copy to anyone who wants one. Just send your address, and I will get one in the mail. I regret that I do not have a better copy, but this bit of our ancestor's actual handwriting--as it always has been accepted as being--is the nearest thing we have to talking to him. >> Dear Glenn, I would greatly appreciate a copy of the Sasser record. Thomas R. Luce 117 W. Circus St. Bethel, OH 45106 Thanks, Tom Luce

Apocrypha! A group of 14 books, not considered cannonical, included in the Septuagint and the Vulgate as part of the Old Testament, but usually omitted from the Protestant editions of the Bible. I knew about the 14 books, but didn't know what they were called, so I had to look it up. The Apocrypha was in our Robertson Family Bible and they were all Baptist or Church of Christ. The impression I got when I talked with my mother about it was that was what the traveling Bible salesman had in rural Oklahoma. If you wanted a Bible, thats what you bought. Jimmy Allen, 1115 Adams, Missouri City, Texas, 77489 ALLEN - BARBER - ROBERTSON - SWICK - COX - STANTON - SMEDLEY jamesdallen@worldnet.att.net http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/l/l/James-D-Allen/ http://home.att.net/~jamesdallen/ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4909/ http://sanantonio.ebgi.com/robertson/index.htm http://www.delrio.com/~fsanders/

Dear cousins, I didn't get to read any of the responses about the "cup and sasser" until after I wrote in about it (I am wading through 117 emails right now). I don't recognize the email of "JWHART" but they were right, as was Earl and Glenn, about the meaning behind this. However, JWHART referred to this as "very country dialect". Actually, this is, contrary to modern English teachers, not a real "dialect" but something much more closer to pure English than anything else you can find in America outside the South. I recall my English professor in college asking the class where we would find the "purest English spoken as it was spoken by the English in the 1600's through the 1700's. I just smiled and waited for the class to respond because I knew no one else would agree with me. Two responded "in the Appalachian mountains" (from north Georgia through Tennessee, the Carolinas to Virginia). The prof saw me smiling and told the class "Alright, Mr. Woodham has that sneaky little grin on his face as though he knows something...let's see." I explained that even the folk in the Appalachians had had their language corrupted by outside influences--especially the Scots from lowland North Carolina and the Germans from Pennsylvania/to western NC/to Tennessee. So, the ONLY region of the entire nation which had (back then) not been corrupted (our professor said "bastardized") by outside language influences was in the Ozark Mountains region of northern Arkansas and southern Missouri. These folk STILL speak a language MOST CLOSELY akin to late Middle English than any other folk in America today. Since I was a kid in the 1950's, other regions of the South have had their language influenced strongly by radio and television, as well as by a huge influx of folk from up north and other foreigners. Atlanta, for instance, now has more than 50,000 residents born in India !! As well as many Arabs, Italians, Nigerians, Japanese and from just about every nation in the world. Same for most of the rest of the major cities in the South. Columbus, Georgia where I live is not a "major" city but is a metropolitan city of more than a quarter million folks. But is has been a major military center since the 1940's. That has attracted a huge number of foreigners here. Until Christmas, I worked at a plant where the majority of the 300 or more workers were from Mexico (most illegals). My step-dad's next door neighbors are from Peru; across the steet is a family from Nigeria. I guarantee you that the children now in school do not speak like my grandparents, nor do I speak as I did as a child. I bemoan the change of our speech every day and especially how technocrats are changing its written form as well. No longer is the northern suburbs of Atlanta the "suburbs". They are now the "exurbs" (beyond the "suburbs"). "Pot" is no longer something we cook in (or put under the bed) but something that is smoked. The influence of foreign languages upon our English language has been tremendous because of the disproportionate because of the location of our television centers in New York City. Need we say anything more? But as to the "dialect"... one encycopaedia contends that a dialect is the way people talk in a certain district of a county and that it differs from "accepted speech patterns". It used the way people in New England speak: idear (idea) or caah (car) as examples. The writer is one of those poor bewildered followers of the idea that the "king's English" is the only acceptable one. HOGWASH! The "king's English was introduced to England by the Norman French and they have tried ever since to destroy the REAL English language. In fact, it was outlawed as a written language for centuries and Latin and French substituted for it. I fear we are fighting a losing battle though. In another hundred years, what we speak today will not be understood. After all, one out of every four people in the world today is Chinese. Robert Earl

Dear Earl and others, It is interesting to note that BRYANs also moved from North Carolina to Georgia (Screven County) with the Sasser family in the 1780's or earlier. HOWELL SASSER married a BRYAN girl in Screven County and they later moved to Covington County, Alabama about 1813. AGAIN, BRYAN family members also moved along with them. And in later years, several Sassers have married Bryans in that south Alabama area as well as many descendants of both families. Robert Earl

Dear Dixie and all, Now Dixie, with a name like yours, "chile, you are posed to know bout sich things". That is pure DIXIE talk. "gemmans sasser" is the "gentleman's saucer". Tain't got nothing to do with whiskey cause Southern men, whether gentlemen or not, don't drink their liquor from a "sasser". That's for coffee and in pioneer times, tea. Note in the reference that tea and coffee are referred to. Southerners liked to cool their coffee and tea by pouring a tad into the saucer to cool and often drank it straight from the saucer also. My grandparents did this and I copied them until I left for the big city where "modern" city folk frowned upon the practice so I quit. The reference in the folk poem to a "sasser drap" means that someone has dropped the saucer. The last three lines of the poem An' nest, I heerd a sasser drap, - Then I looked up, an' strange to state, There S'repty set in Tomps's lap - Translation: And next, I heard a saucer drop, Then I looked up and strange to say, There was Serepty sitting in Thompson's (or Thomas') lap. The "gal" is the actual pronounciation of gearl (and other spellings), a Middle English term for a young woman. Hominy is boiled corn. Grits are made from hominy. Written casual rural Southern conversation never seems to come out understandably but neither does that of someone from London, England nor some of the rural areas of England. And try reading Chaucer... For that matter, try reading a will or other long document from England from the 1500's or 1600's. You can't understand many of the words UNLESS you might have been born on a Southern farm and are familiar with old farm tools and household goods. I have found some of these old English records to be a marvel for understanding the lives of ordinary folk back then. Some of the wills named each and every little item in an entire household. And you didn't just say a "bed". What you slept on consisted of the "bedstead" (I grew up accustomed to this term) which they thought of merely as the bedframe; the mattress, the pillows, the bed sheets, the bed cover and the pillow cover. They did not always use these terms. I have a devil of a time deciphering the word (poor writing also) in one document for a pillow casing. Robert Earl

> Something that I had forgotten is that this Bible includes the >Apocrypha. This is shown in the xerox copy because part of the >top of the family record page is torn off.Does anybody find this >significant? > To; Glenn, Yes I do find that interesting. Could Henry's Bible be a Vulgate?? Just today I sent you (Glenn) mail by U.S.Mail with some info. I would like to add this question to that letter. Was it not some conflict between Palatine Catechism and the Roman Catholics that brought the Swiss and Palatines to the colony of North Carolina lead by DeGraffenreid??? If my scanner is not working soon ( my son is trying to fix it at present) I will make copies and mail them to someone with a good working scanner so these 25 pages can get to the list. Cordially, Earl Sasser ewsass@writeme.com

In a message dated 98-07-25 19:49:57 EDT, you write: > << Something that I had forgotten is that this Bible includes the > Apocrypha. This is shown in the xerox copy because part of the > top of the family record page is torn off.Does anybody find this > significant? >> > > I have a BIble from 1860 or so that includes the Apocrypha. I don't think > it > really means anything except it was before the "experts" started analyzing > the Bible and deciding maybe it wasn't such a good idea to put that part > into > some Bibles. Who knows.... > > The King James Version of the Bible (1611) originally came with the Apocrypha. At some later time (I don't remember when), the British Bible Society and the American Bible Society decided that they would not continue to print the Apocrypha in their editions of the KJV. This had a significant effect on other printers as well. Editions of the KJV have been printed since then that do contain the Apocrypha, although they are few and far between. I remember seeing them in my college library that were printed by Oxford and Cambridge as recently as the 1950's. This past year, Oxford Press has put out a paperback version that has the Apocrypha in it again. It is available at Barnes and Noble. All in all, I don't know that there is any great significance that Henry Sasser's Bible contained the Apocrypha. Doug Sherman

To: The Sasser List From: Glenn E. Perry I have now finally received a xerox of a xerox of the "FAMILY RECORD" pages from Henry Sasser's Bible. The copy is very poor but mostly readable, especially if you want to trust the transcript I hastily made so long ago from the original as a guide to some of the unclear parts. The part on Aden is hard to read, that on Arthur is even worse, and that on Bardin is almost entirely unreadable. The good news is that the copies I have made of that copy are no worse than my "original." Some of the material--date of marriage, the information on "Wallie Sasser," that on the Watsons, etc.--is not included in the xerox copy. Neither is the information on the purchase of the Bible. This apparently was on other pages. I previously promised to send a copy to anyone who wants one. Just send your address, and I will get one in the mail. I regret that I do not have a better copy, but this bit of our ancestor's actual handwriting--as it always has been accepted as being--is the nearest thing we have to talking to him. As for Dixie's recent questions, 1792 is obviously not the wedding date but rather Nancy Kirby's birthday. I cannot make out Arthur's birthday from the xerox , although it seems to be as I copied it before, and others who have a better copy have seen my transcript and have not corrected it. Jesse's birthday is fairly easy to read--"January 30th day 1818." Nancy's is also pretty clear: "24th May 1830," as I had copied it before. Something that I had forgotten is that this Bible includes the Apocrypha. This is shown in the xerox copy because part of the top of the family record page is torn off.Does anybody find this significant? Also note that Henry Sasser's mother's name--Martha Bishop--was inserted after the name of his father. I don't know why I did not copy this. It seems to be the same handwriting, not something added recently. And although I did not copy it, somebody--either my grandmother or Rhoda Glass--told me during the late 1950s that this was his mother's name. **************************************************** [As copied from the original in 1972:] The day and date of the children's ages born to Henry Sasser and Nanny his wife 1. Keziah was born January ye 31st day 1813 2. Dixon was born January ye 1st day 1814 3. Lindy was born May ye 5th day 1815 4. Aden was born June ye 3rd day 1816 5. Arthur was born March 22nd 1818 6. Bardin was born October ye 15th day 1819 7. Piety was born July ye 20th day 1821 8. Patsey was born January ye 30th day 1823 9. Wm H Crawood was born March ye 29th day 1824 10. James Henderson was born October ye 8th day 1825 11.Jesse was born January 30st day 1828 12. Nancy was born July 24th day 1830 Henry Sasser son of William Sasser and Martha Sasser was born March the 29th 1878 Nanny Sasser wife to Henry Sasser was born June the 25th day 1792 [On another page?] Henry Sasser and his wife Nanney Sasser was married March ye 10th day 1812 Wallie Sasser was born October 1 day 1852 [poor handwriting, in contrast to the elegant script found elsewhere] Also found in the same bible: H. Sasser his book bought of David Thompson Price $6.00 H. Sasser his Bible bought in Smithfield Price $6.50 [Also:] Wallace Watson son of Littleton Watson and Zillah his wife was born June the 20th 1823 ***************************************** Glenn E. Perry Department of Political Science Indiana State University Terre Haute, IN 47809 USA E-Mail: psperrg@scifac.indstate.edu (812)237-2505 (office) (812)234-5661 (home) ****************************************

In a message dated 98-07-25 16:44:21 EDT, you write: << Something that I had forgotten is that this Bible includes the Apocrypha. This is shown in the xerox copy because part of the top of the family record page is torn off.Does anybody find this significant? >> I have a BIble from 1860 or so that includes the Apocrypha. I don't think it really means anything except it was before the "experts" started analyzing the Bible and deciding maybe it wasn't such a good idea to put that part into some Bibles. Who knows....

Glen, I would be delighted to have a copy of Henry's Bible record. Hope all is well with you, & that you are surviving this hot weather. My address is 3711 Citation Drive, Indian Springs, OH 45011. Vietta Keith

Glenn, Thanks for the offer to send a copy of the patriarch's Bible. I would love to have it. With Gratitude, Phil Sasser 1207 Kingston Ridge Rd. Cary, NC 27511

I would love to have a copy of this for our family records, my father will be so happy. His mother was Ethel Sasser (Daughter of James Darling Sasser and Nanny Burnett, who was the son of Eli Sasser and Mary Tuttle (he was also married to Nicey Hampton), who was the son of Adin Sasser and Elizabeth(Betty)Waggner, who was the son of Henry Sasser and Nancy Kirby, who was the son of William Sasser and Martha Bishop Thank you, My address is Linda Reed 4025 Chandler Blvd. #70C24 Phoenix, Arizona 85044 This is great :o)

My site is in error and I keep forgetting to change it......sorry for the confusion. I will do it today in my data base but it may be a day or two till it hits my webpage. Sorry Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Dixie Ricker [mailto:dixie@locktrack.com] Sent: Friday, July 24, 1998 2:34 PM To: SASSER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SASSER-L] Henry Sasser/Nancy Kirby Family I have come across so conflicting information and I want to know if there is actual documentation on which information is correct. Phil wrote in an e-mail, Nancy Kirby was born on 6/25/1792 but, at Debbie's web site, she has that date as Henry & Nancy's marriage date. I have their marriage date as February 26, 1812 (but I got this info from some one else and I did not document who) and Phil's e-mail stated 3/12/1812. Next, their son Arthur I have come across two different birth dates. Mar 22, 1817 & 1818. Their son, Jesse Sasser again two different dates Jan 29, 1828 & Jan 30, 1828. Daughter, Nancy birth June 26, 1830 and July 26. 1830 Daughter, Barbara birth as 1819-1828 and 1836 If anyone can send me documentation to support their birth dates, marriage etc. I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. Dixie Dixie Ricker Evans & Ricker, Inc 7405 SW Tech Center Drive Portland, OR 97223 Phone: 503-639-9296 Fax: 503-684-1411 e-mail: dixie@locktrack.com website: www.locktrack.com

Phil, I don't have an actual copy of the entries in the Sasser Bible, so my material is second hand. Doug