Rather than wait until I perfect my document, which would take me years, I'll send it now with the hope of getting some feed back. Here is what I have so far on Thomas and Nancy (Williams) Sapp. Any input is welcome. Regards, Mike Sapp <http://members.aol.com/jacomeena> a bunch of Sapp's <http://members.aol.com/mnsapp/> my Sapp branch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thomas Sapp and Nancy Williams ============================== What I "know" ------------- 1. Family papers - nothing 2. "A History of the Sapp Family" Compiled and published by J. Gooden Sapp and H. W. Stanley - 1910 "A line" (152) Thomas, son of John Sapp (41) and Hettie Barkus married Nancy Williams and both died the same day, one at sunrise and the other at sunset. One daughter died three weeks later. Grandfather Williams took the children to Indiana and they were raised near Newcastle. Children: 307 - William. 308 - John. 309 A daughter. 310 A daughter. 3. Federal Census 1880 - Sapp, John W This is John William Sapp (308) birthplace of father - US; birthplace of mother - US 4. Federal Census 1900 - Sapp, John W This is John William Sapp (308) birthplace of father - Penn; birthplace of mother - OH 5. Federal Census 1920 - Sapp, John W This is John William Sapp (308) birthplace of father - Penn; birthplace of mother - NY 6. John Sapp (41) - Will - signed 15-Nov-1839 Court of Common Pleas - 16-May-1842 - "In the matter of the last Will and Testament of John Sapp Deceased ..." Pages 321-323 of Will book #3 at the Jefferson county Probate Court, Steubenville, Ohio. Lists children including Thomas (different order than the Sapp History) 7. LDS - (can't remember #'s) - showed Thomas as born 1816 ================= >From papers sent by a Sapp researcher - ----------------------------- 1. From Family sheets Nancy WILLIAMS b 9-Sep-1809 OH m. Thomas SAPP b 1816 Jefferson Co, OH, d. 1838 Henry Co, IN 2. From Descendants of William W. WILLIAMS sheets In Notes, states John Williams is to administer Thomas Sapp's estate. 1839 Also, that Thomas is in Fayette Co, IN, tax list (1829) & Census (1840) Children: i. Hester Sapp, b. 1830, OH; d 28-Sep-1879, Ellinwood, Barton Co, KS m. Joseph Kelso BENNETT, 25-Mar-1849, Spiceland, Henry Co, IN ii. John Sap, b. 1836, OH iii. Andrew Sap, b 1836, OH iv. William Sap, b. 1838, IN; m. Lucy Searles, 29-Oct-1859 3. Legal document - July Term A. D. 1853 (a petition to sell land) Shows William Williams as guardian of William and John Sapp (just the two). States that William and John are the heirs of Thomas Sapp. John is 17 and William is 14 on the document Petition to sell land (Thomas') in Henry Co, IN 4. A type written sheet - 1 Grant Co marriages : Wm to Lucy Searles 10-20-1859 Bk3-pg 416 Henry Co marriages : Hester to Joseph K. Bennett 3-25-1849 Some other "stuff" including a listing for Thomas in 1830 & 1840 Fayette Co census and an Andrew age 24 in 1860 5. Henry Co, IN, Marriages Book F1 pg 228; 25 Mar 1849; Sap, Hester to Bennett, Joseph 6. Typed copy of photo copies of original record of settlement of estate of William Williams William W. Williams <d. 3-Dec-1861> Letters of Administration granted on 19-Dec-1861 June Term A D 1863 Heirs include "heirs of Nancy Sapp" i.e. William, John and <Hester> Bennet 7. Note on 1850 US Census Rebecca June Rogers was the G'Daughter of William Williams 8. A type written sheet - 2 States (without source) that Andrew & John are twins Also, "Am wondering if Sarah & Suzannah are sisters to Hester" This sheet contains some info on Sapp's in Indiana 9. A type written sheet - 3 Compiled by : Margret E. Swim Sapp, Thomas hrs. SWSE sec 7 twp 17 range 10-50 acres. Henry Twp. HENRY COUNTY IN PROBATE 1835-'39 enc. Thomas Sapp to Wm Wirmer<?> Warranty; Oct 18, 1836 $350; Sec 8-17(14-50) Thomas Sapp to Isiah Hoff; Dec 14, 1837 10. Federal Census 1860 - Henry Co, IN Henry Co, IN Sapp, John age 24, b. OH Henry Township Sapp, Andrew age 24, b. OH Liberty Township Grant Co, IN Sapp, William age 20, b. IN - 11. Hamilton County (OH) Marriage Index, Cross Index, 1817-1845 Vol 03; Pg 64; Date: 1826 Sapp, Thomas Williams, Nancy ================= Opinions -------- I can't say the following with great conviction, so this represents my current set of ideas as to who Thomas, Nancy, and family were. "Obviously" this needs investigation and sourcing, as well as other pairs of eyes. -------------- Thomas, son of John and Hettie (Barcus) Sapp, was born around 1805 to 1810. This date is based on (1) listing order in will of John Sapp, (2) possible wedding year of 1826, and (3) birth of daughter Hester (1830). He was born in either OH (various) or PA (according to census data of son John Sapp) Nancy, daughter of William W. and Rebecca D. (Loar) Williams, was born 09-Sep-1809. Based on similar dates for Thomas and date supplied by another researcher. She was born in probably OH (various) or possibly NY (John Sapp census data). They married in 1826 in Hamilton Co, OH. Between 1826 and 1836, they had 3 children probably all born in OH, Hester b. 1830, a daugher b. 1831-1835 (somewhere in the gap), and John William b. 25-Mar-1836 in Madison Co, OH. (These three are mentioned as part of William W. Williams' will) Shortly after John's birth, they moved to Henry Co where they bought and sold land (Thomas Sapp to Wm Wirmer<?> Warranty; Oct 18, 1836 $350; Sec 8-17(14-50)). A short time later, William was born 22-May-1837 in Henry Co, IN (Civil War papers of William). Later (1838-1839) Thomas, Nancy, and their unnamed daughter died about the same time, possibly some disease. As William was born mid-1837, Thomas sold land (Thomas Sapp to Isiah Hoff; Dec 14, 1837), and the 1840 US Fed Census for Henry Twp, Henry Co, IN, shows a William Williams with 2 males under 5, a female 5-10, I would guess they all died between 14-Dec-1837 and the time of the 1840 census. Also, on family sheets sent by another researcher, notes state John Williams is to administer Thomas Sapp's estate. 1839". NOTES: ------ 1. I don't believe the Thomas Sapp in Fayette Co, IN is the same "family" as he was counted in the 1840 census and I believe our Thomas and Nancy had already died - their children were in the 1840 census with grandpa Williams. 2. I don't believe John had a twin brother. Among other reasons, the 1840 census; the court records which list only John and William (but no Andrew (who fought in the Civil War)); and not mentioned in William W. Williams will (what was his middle name?) 3. Birthdate of Thomas in records all seem based on 1.) Sapp Family History listing him as last born of John and Hettie, and 2.) apparent guess work of person who entered them into the LDS database. 4. The accuracy of both the Sapp Family History and the LDS files are highly questionable. 5. If Thomas was born in 1816, he would have been 10 when married, and 14 when Hester was born. 6. There seems to be a bit of "traffic" between Henry and Grant counties (IN). ================= Questions --------- 1. Where were Thomas and Nancy during the 1830 census? From Hamilton Co to Madison Co, OH? 2. When did they all die? Where are they buried? In Henry Twp, Henry Co, IN? 3. What did they die of/from?