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Hi all, I made it to the Archives for the first time yesterday and managed to get a bit of information after learning how to use the facility. Thought I would pass it on even though some of it is repetitious for some of us. I only searched for all Missouri Sapps indexed, on this trip. Listed are: name, county, census page #, township/district etc., and family count for 1830 and 1840 census. At this time I have no family count on the 1850 & 1860 census...only the index listing head of household. I apologize for any mistakes this listing may have....I was very careful in my transcribing, but these indexes were not the easiest to read! Hope this helps some of you! Melody Byrd 1820 census index: (believe this to be from a tax list rather than Federal census index, which was not available at the Archive...does anyone know if there is one?) John Lincoln Co. pg 1820 Harrison Twp 1830 census index: Daniel St. pg 303 St. Ferd. I Noah Boone 129 Cedar Twp 1110001000000111001 Mathew " 129 " 0000000010000111000001 John C " 129 " 000001000000010001 John " 130 " 110010000000011001 Levi " 127 " 010100010000000110001 Samuel " 124 " 11001000000001001 Thomas " 124 " 10001000000001001 James Pike 253 No Twp L 00001000000000001 William " 253 " 20101100000000203 1840 census index: Henry Boone pg. 99 Cedar Twp 200001000000010001 John " 100 " 2110010000000011001 John C " 98 " 1100010000000201001 Levi " 99 " 101100010000010001001 Noah " 98 " 10110010000000102001 Peter " 98 " 0000010000000010100001 Thomas " 99 " 000001000000021201 James Pike 70 Peno Twp 200001100000012001 Joseph St. 256 St Ferd. (?) 1850 census index (head of household only): Daniel Plat pg. 336 Marshall Daniel Boone 443 Being 8T Delila J. Pula 103 Being 72 Elbert Plat 345 Marshall Elijah Boone 426 Being 8T Elizabeth Camd 315 13th Dist Henry Boone 420 Being 8T James Boone 421 Being 8T James Livi 057 51st Dist John Boone 420 Being 8T John C Boone 443 Being 8T Joseph St L 492 82nd Dist Levi Boone 421 Being 8T Margaret Plat 329 Marshall Margaret St L 171 St. Louis Mary Z. Pula 103 Being 72 Matthew Boone 443 Being 8T Noah Boone 421 Being 8T Peter Boone 443 Being 8T Thomas Boone 428 Being 8T William Clay 359 Washinton William T. Boone 421 Being 8T 1860 census index (heads of household only): Vol I Abraham Benton pg. 357 Warsaw P.O. Alfred M. Boone 694 Cedar Amuel Benton 357 Warsaw P.O. Benjamin Jefferson 708 Joachim Benjamin F. Laclede 332 Gasconade Berry W. Boone 727 Cedar Daniel " 657 " Elizah " 766 or 768 " Ellen Buchanan 015 Bloomington Henry " " " Henry Boone 724 Cedar J.H. " 725 " James M. " 736 " John " 736 " John C. " 696 " John C. Benton 357 Warsaw P.O. Levi Boone 766 Cedar Levi " 737 " M. " 736 " Mary " 698 " Mathew " 698 " Monday F. " 715 " Newton " 713 " Samuel " 725 " Sarah " 714 " Silus M. Barry 929 Mcdonel (?) Thomas Boone 713 Cedar W.D. Clay 945 Liberty City William Boone 697 Cedar William " " " William T. " 725 " Vol. II Benjamin Knox 332 Gasconade Elbert Platte 864 Marshall Margaret Platte 865 Marshall Margaret Livingston 969 Chillicothe Thomas Ozark 429 Falling Spri

John SAPP, was in Madison Co., KY. by 1787, in Campbell Co., KY. by 1798 (became Pendleton Co. in 1799); d. 1803, Pendleton Co., KY. Wife's name unknown. Ch: 1. Margaret, b. c.1765/66; md. Richard WEST, ?poss. Ohio Co., VA.; d. 1806/08, Madison Co., KY. 2. George, b. 1768; md. Margaret LOGSDON 3. John II, md. 1791, Isabella GRAY, Madison Co., KY.; d. 1833, Washington Co., IN. 4. Frederick R., md. Hester MORGAN; d. 1836, Clermont Co., OH. 5. Edward, md. Elizabeth SEATON; d. 1843, Clermont Co., OH. 6. Patience, md. 1793, Jonathan WEST, Madison Co.,KY. 7. Mary, md. 1798, Richard PRYOR, Campbell Co., KY. 8. Nancy, d. 1805, Madison Co., KY.; nmd. 9. Hartley, b. 1787, Madison Co., KY.; md. 1811, Mary WILSON Madison Co., KY.; d. 1840 Clermont Co., OH.

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Hi George, Re: Boone County Missouri Sapps. Here is the 1820 Kentucky census index that you have been looking for. Debbie Clark KY 1820 Census--Sap & Sapp SAP, CALEB.......WASH...038...NO.TWP.L SAP, DORY........WASH...033...NO.TWP.L SAP, JAMES.......WASH...068...NO.TWP.L SAP, JAMES D.....BOUR...132...NO.TWP.L SAP, LEVI........BOUR...132...NO.TWP.L SAP, NATHAN......WASH...033...NO.TWP.L SAPP, DANIEL.....FLEM...068...NO.TWP.L SAPP, DANIEL.....FLEM...068...NO.TWP.L SAPP, JACOB......FLEM...068...NO.TWP.L SAPP, JAMES......WASH...033...NO.TWP.L SAPP, JOHN.......CAMP...021...NO.TWP.L

>From Roots-L: The entire GenConnect system will be upgraded starting at midnight on Saturday September 5, 1998. This will require that we shut the system down. The reason is twofold ..... it's not just a patch .... it's a re-write of the program that runs the system. Also, the Global Search engine has been revamped and mega-enhanced, which will require a total rebuild. No new postings can be allowed during this rebuilding period. Downtime is estimated to be 8 hours max (yep .... it's a huge system now!). Anyone attempting to use the system during this downtime will be given notice that it's being upgraded .... no-one will be left in the dark. However, you could help us make this a smoother transition if you would spread the word on any and all of the major mailing lists that you may be subbed to (ROOTS-l, xxROOTS-L, your county lists, surname lists, etc.). Will you help us by doing this? Bill Boulineau Antigo, WI wbouline@newnorth.net Rootsweb Sponsor

Info from KY records: lists: SAPP, Emanuel (my line) Manuel Nathaniel Thomas I have lots of other info on Sapps in KY--send me a note after Labor Day, and I will look for info on the ones you are looking for.

MKWTB@aol.com wrote: > > Hi George, > > Just getting back in the swing of things since mother passed on, so thought > I'd fill you in on some new news (at least for me it was new). About a week or > so ago I received a copy of the 1850 Boone County census pages for Noah and > Matthew. I was certainly curious about Matthew since he had disappeared from > the 1840 Boone Co census. I thought perhaps he was re-appearing in the 1850 > census as an 80 or 90 year old man. To my surprise, when the census pages > arrived, I found we have another Matthew on our hands!! This Matthew is 34 in > 1850, making his bithdate 1816. He was born in Kentucky! He is living next > door to Daniel 29 yrs. and Daniel next door to Peter 48 yrs. Noah 59 yrs. is > also listed in this census but on a different page. Matthew's family listed > are: > Mariah 27 yrs b. KY > John H 9 yrs b. KY > Melissa 7 yrs b. MO > Elizabeth 5 yrs b.MO > Noah A 3 yrs b. MO > Mary 1 yr b. MO > > What do you make of this new Matthew!!? Is there anyone out there that knows > of this family? > > Melody Melody, It would appear that there are Sapps we don't know about in Boone Co in 1850. The Matthew born in 1816 is not the older Matthew's son (he has no male children in the 1830 census when he was 14). He is not Noah's son, if we accept the Pike Co Daniel as the 10/15 year old in Noah's 1830 Boone Co census. It seems logical this is Mathew's brother since they are adjacent in the 1850 Pike Co census. We don't know John C's family, but he is only 16 in 1816 when Matthew was born, and Peter is only 14. These two, Matthew (b 1816) and Daniel (b 1821) must be relatives, since they are living on Peter's farm in 1850 (there is no land patent for either in section 29 where Peter probably lived in 1850), but I can't figure out whose they are. Levi's kin don't fit either. Maybe the 1820 KY census would give a clue. George..

I notice that the Higginson Book Company has "The History of the Sapp Family", by Sapp and Stanley, 1910 in their catalog. $19 softcover, $10 more hardcover. 8-12 weeks delivery. Higginson Book Company 148 Washington Street, P.O. Box 778 Salem, MA 01970 email: higgins@cove.com

Hi George, Just getting back in the swing of things since mother passed on, so thought I'd fill you in on some new news (at least for me it was new). About a week or so ago I received a copy of the 1850 Boone County census pages for Noah and Matthew. I was certainly curious about Matthew since he had disappeared from the 1840 Boone Co census. I thought perhaps he was re-appearing in the 1850 census as an 80 or 90 year old man. To my surprise, when the census pages arrived, I found we have another Matthew on our hands!! This Matthew is 34 in 1850, making his bithdate 1816. He was born in Kentucky! He is living next door to Daniel 29 yrs. and Daniel next door to Peter 48 yrs. Noah 59 yrs. is also listed in this census but on a different page. Matthew's family listed are: Mariah 27 yrs b. KY John H 9 yrs b. KY Melissa 7 yrs b. MO Elizabeth 5 yrs b.MO Noah A 3 yrs b. MO Mary 1 yr b. MO What do you make of this new Matthew!!? Is there anyone out there that knows of this family? Melody

For those persons that are keeping track of such things, the following obituary will appear in this weekend's Sacramento papers: SAPP, DAVE David Allen Sapp, Aug.20,1998, Elk Grove,CA Son of Dianne Barnes Farr and Larry O'Dell Sapp, born July 1, 1965, San Bernardino,CA. Survived by his life partner, George McBlain, both of his parents, step-mom Anne Sapp, sister Tammy Javonillo, brother Larry "Butch" Sapp, step-brother, Todd Guess, and their spouses, as well as numerous nieces and nephews, all of the Los Angeles area. Moved to the Sacramento area in 1990, enjoyed his work at First Federal Credit Union in Sacto before retiring in 1995. Where ever he resided, Dave was seen as a kind hearted soul and those who are left behind take pride in having known such a wonderful man. Dave will be greatly missed by his many good and close friends, including Kathleen De Witt and her children, Amy and Stacey De Witt, of Elk Grove, CA. Memorials preferred to the Sacramento AIDS Foundation or any AIDS-related charity. A private Celebration of Dave's Life will held soon. For additional information, contact George or Kathleen.

Bill Boulineau wrote: > > >...............as published in the Sapp Family Newsletter, Jan > 1993, Nathan Sapp, b 24 Oct 1799 in VA, was the son of Emanuel > Sapp..................< > > Hi George, is this Sapp newsletter still being published? If if is and you know how to subscribe to it, could you post that info to the Sapp-L list. > Thanks.-Bill Information about the Sapp Family Newletter and how to subscribe can be found in the Sapp Family Archives Page: http://members.aol.com/sapps/Archive/index.html GG Sapp

John, Below is my data on the 1810 KY census. For those looking for Sapps in Kentucky. Does anyone have the 1830 KY census? Census for Kentucky for 1810: Key: males, col 1, 0-10 2, 11-15 3, 16-25 4, 26-45 5, over 45 females, same for col 6-10 Name County male female SAPP Caleb Casey 01101 51010 Anna Washington 01000 00010 Benjamin Washington 10100 10100 Daniel Fleming 31001 21010 Daniel Bourbon 31010 01010 Elias Washington 10010 10010 Imanuel Green 20010 20100 Jacob Washington 10101 01101 James Washington 10010 10010 John Washington 10100 10100 Matthew Bourbon 30220 12010 Nathan Washington 00002 00001 Theodorius Washington 00100 00100

Kayfleming@aol.com wrote: > > In going through my listing of Grayson county, Ky burials I find several SAPP > listings. Nathan SAPP b. 10-24-1799 d. 10-22-1841 > Susanna SAPP (wife) b. 6-31-1801 d. 6-8-1880 > Austin SAPP s/o Nathan and Susanna b. 4-2-1836 d. 4-2-1836 > Martha SAPP d.o Nathan and Susanna b. 4-2-1836 d. 4-2-1836 > must have been twins > J.W. SAPP d/o Nathan and Susannah b. 10-15-1841 d. 4-12-1914 > Sylvania J. SAPP b. 4-14-1847 d. 6-3-1904 > > Thought someone might be interested and know where this family came from. > There are many more SAPP families in this county and although they are not > mine, my interest is aroused. > Kay > > ==== SAPP Mailing List ==== > Search the Web for other Genealogical sites at:Cyndi's List - "The serious genealogist's starting place on the Web" > http://www.cyndislist.com/ Kay, According to a pedigree chart by Peggie Bastin, 1739 Fawn Dr, Owensboro, KY 42303, as published in the Sapp Family Newsletter, Jan 1993, Nathan Sapp, b 24 Oct 1799 in VA, was the son of Emanuel Sapp, b abt 1775 in DE, d 8 Mar 1852 in Grayson Co, KY. This relationship is repeated by Louise A Solis in the Newsletter of July 1997, p8, where she calls the son Nathaniel. Her email address is solis@teleport.com, and she says she would like to correspond with anyone in this line. There is an Emanuel in the KY tax list for Green Co in 1800, and an Imanuel (must be same person) in the 1810 census for Green Co, KY, age 26/45 (Emanuel would be 35). He has 2 sons under 10 (Nathan(iel)) would be 11. GGSapp

I was hoping I wouldn't have to make comments like this, but I guess I will. I am the listowner for Sapp-L and I will decide what is appropriate and what isn't. I would hope that mature wisdom, but I guess not. It is not appropriate to criticize others comment that they make in good faith. If I feel the comments are inappropriate, I will let the individuals know about it privately. When you signed up for this list, you received a list of do's and don'ts and I would advise you review them before anymoe critical statements, or it could be your last. If anyone thinks they have something to discuss with me, you have my address. ListOwner Bill Boulineau Antigo, WI wbouline@newnorth.net Rootsweb Sponsor

What's with all the chit-chat lately. Isn't this list only for genealogy? Let's stop the whining and product bashing - just keep you opinions to yourselves. Most of us don't have the time for it. I know I'm doing the same thing right now myself: so let's all stop!

In going through my listing of Grayson county, Ky burials I find several SAPP listings. Nathan SAPP b. 10-24-1799 d. 10-22-1841 Susanna SAPP (wife) b. 6-31-1801 d. 6-8-1880 Austin SAPP s/o Nathan and Susanna b. 4-2-1836 d. 4-2-1836 Martha SAPP d.o Nathan and Susanna b. 4-2-1836 d. 4-2-1836 must have been twins J.W. SAPP d/o Nathan and Susannah b. 10-15-1841 d. 4-12-1914 Sylvania J. SAPP b. 4-14-1847 d. 6-3-1904 Thought someone might be interested and know where this family came from. There are many more SAPP families in this county and although they are not mine, my interest is aroused. Kay

Does anyone have any connections, descendants of this family?-Bill <-------snipped-------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Henry Sapp, 83 yrs, died 10-20-1829 in Bibb Co., a Revolutionary >Soldier. Husband of Mrs. Remmillson Sap who died the same day. Married >65 yrs. >source: Macon Telegraph 11-14-1829; Statesman & Patriot, >Milledgeville,Ga 11-21-1829. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Mrs. Remmillson Sapp, 93 yrs, died 10-20-1829 in Bibb Co.Ga on the same >day as her husband Henry Sapp. They had been married 65 years. >source: Statesman & Patriot, Milledgeville,Ga 11-21-1829 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >ANOTHER REVOLUTIONARY HERO GONE. Died suddenly in theis county, >Thursday 29th ult., Henry Sapp, a Revolutionary hero, age 83. On the >same day, Remmillson Sapp, his wife, aged 93 yrs. They had lived >together for 65 yrs. <--------snipped-----------------------> Bill Boulineau Antigo, WI wbouline@newnorth.net Rootsweb Sponsor

Special to Joe Sissom-- Thanks for the warm and friendly welcome to the clan! Joe Sissom wrote: > Special to David Beasley -- David Beasley wrote you (or the list) nothing. If you had read the message you would have found the following: The message was signed: Alma L. Beasley Placentia, CA (The signature was followed by this note which clearly indicates who wrote the message.) (NOTE: I am having trouble with my computer and I have my son's while he works on mine; hence the reason for two addresses. When mine is finished, I will advise of a change of email address.) > David, it appears you may have succombed to the disease that has > infected many of us who have gone before in over reliance on 'the easy > way.' I have never been known for taking the easy way out. In the third paragraph of the message you will find a message intended for Tammy with the following comment about the sources and support for the info. I don't know who submitted this info nor the sources/support they had for it, but I will try to find out.) > The internet and Broderbund has developed for more genealogical > 'copyists' than researchers. I particularly found things in the > Ancestral File that I thought were just wonderful and I had a pedigree > overnight that would choke a horse. Unfortunately, it bore little > resemblance to my ancestors. > > ANYTHING anyone gets out of WORLD FAMILY TREE, anything you get from > anything associated with Broderbund, anything you get in the form of a > ready-made d/b from this marvelous resource known as the internet, must > be treated as no more than a mere rumor. Most (I will accept arguments > on this word, but none other) of the people that put up their 'lines' > here can't even spell documentation. Most of those don't seem to care, > jsut as many submitters to AF don't. Following the eight generations listed (for info only--NOT cast in concrete) were the following comments as to my intentions for verifications, as well as sources for most of the info listed in the eight generations. This seems like a lot of info, BUT there is still much of this to be verified. There are a number of sources for the info listed. Some of it was found in an old family Bible that dates back to the late 1700's; some from letters, notes and the such found this summer in an old trunk belonging to Mintie SMITH BEASLEY. (Among the things found in the trunk were a number of pictures--old golden tone ones on cardboard, which only one marked as to who it is-- W. H. SMITH and Family, dated 1888. There were also a number of tin type pictures which were unidentified. Maybe sometime connections can be made.) I have made contact by telephone and in person while in the South recently with Sapp researchers who have freely shared info and last, but certainly not least, on the computer at the Mormon Family History Center last Saturday. I will continue to search films, books and other records, but any input any of you might have will be greatly appreciated. In addition, I spent a couple of hours or more on the telephone yesterday, prior to sending the message, with a gentleman who has published a book on the Sapp Family and has been quite involved with a historical society in Tennessee where my line of Sapps eventually settled. I didn't mention this as one of my sources because I am waiting to receive copies of documents, etc. that he is sending. > A few months ago I manned an exhibit across the aisle from Broderbund, > having to listen to the nonsense, and sometimes outright distortions > they were putting out. About a month ago, the director of the genealogy > dept at Dallas Public Library wrote a column in the 'Dallas Morning > News' saying all the above. I don't doubt this at all. I have heard some real horror stories about Broderbund; however, I do like using the software package they publish for tracking my family history.By the way, I might add this comment to you, I said that I was "A NEW SAPP RESEARCHER", I did not say that I was a new researcher. > Be patient, please, cousin. This is frequently a frustrating, but > fascinating hobby. I also agree with this. I have run into many brick walls in my research and have also run into errors in info that has been given me by others (some were well-meaning relatives). Any info received by me from anyone is researched before accepting it as gospel; however, I see nothing wrong with using info provided by others as clues for what might be how things were. > Tomake my point: Please document in any way that Henry SAPP of Kent MD > is the father of Ben of 1730. I SUSPECT he may be. But I also suspect > a couple of other guys named SAPP might be and I don't ahve a clue, and > some people who are conservatively 10 times better at this than I am, > have been unable to nail it down. I believe someone has sent info regarding this subject to the list tonight. I will be interested to see if you attack them in the same manner you did me. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK YOUR MESSAGE WAS INTENDED TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND THAT YOU HAD NOT READ THOROUGHLY THE MESSAGE I SENT OR ELSE YOU WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO OFFENDED BY IT. > Off the soapbox.... welcome to the clan. > > Joe > -- > For my family database go to http://www.123net.net/~jsissom Hopefully, we can be of help to each other after this incident. The message I sent was the first one sent subsequent to my initial subscription to the list. I am a member of several Rootsweb lists and this is first time I have received such a message. Maybe you can explain??? I would certainly like to hear what you have to say. I apologize to you for whatever I said, or you thought I said that offended you. Alma L. Beasley Placentia, CA P.S. My apologies to the rest of the group. Quite frankly, I am dumbfounded by this whole incident. -- David Beasley - Computer Programmer/PC Technical Support Dave's Web Designs http://home.earthlink.net/~dabathome mailto:dabathome@earthlink.net

Special to David Beasley -- David, it appears you may have succombed to the disease that has infected many of us who have gone before in over reliance on 'the easy way.' The internet and Broderbund has developed for more genealogical 'copyists' than researchers. I particularly found things in the Ancestral File that I thought were just wonderful and I had a pedigree overnight that would choke a horse. Unfortunately, it bore little resemblance to my ancestors. ANYTHING anyone gets out of WORLD FAMILY TREE, anything you get from anything associated with Broderbund, anything you get in the form of a ready-made d/b from this marvelous resource known as the internet, must be treated as no more than a mere rumor. Most (I will accept arguments on this word, but none other) of the people that put up their 'lines' here can't even spell documentation. Most of those don't seem to care, jsut as many submitters to AF don't. A few months ago I manned an exhibit across the aisle from Broderbund, having to listen to the nonsense, and sometimes outright distortions they were putting out. About a month ago, the director of the genealogy dept at Dallas Public Library wrote a column in the 'Dallas Morning News' saying all the above. Be patient, please, cousin. This is frequently a frustrating, but fascinating hobby. Tomake my point: Please document in any way that Henry SAPP of Kent MD is the father of Ben of 1730. I SUSPECT he may be. But I also suspect a couple of other guys named SAPP might be and I don't ahve a clue, and some people who are conservatively 10 times better at this than I am, have been unable to nail it down. Off the soapbox.... welcome to the clan. Joe -- For my family database go to http://www.123net.net/~jsissom