Barry, Sorry I can't help you. My Sanford line goes back to John Sanford, Born in 1605 in Alford, Lincolnshire, England. As a young man, he went to Massachesetts, USA. If anyone else on the list is connected with John Sanford who came from Alford, or has any information on his ancestors before 1605, please get in touch with me. Ken Sanford Duillier, Switzerland