Hello to all-- Sandie is correct in that I show John WARNER, b 1568; md Mary PURCHASE in 1578 -- and his will is dated 1585. I put the info in my computer notes that means he was only 10 years of age when he md Mary -- It didn't seem correct when I put it into my computer, but I entered it that way anyway. My source is two other Sanford researchers, but I don't know their source. Initially, I had John WARNER b 1555, but I don't have the source for that either. I'm certainly willing to change to whatever dates if somebody has the source. Perhaps I should just delete his birth date. What do you think? Regards, Sandy Sanford (male) in San Diego Co., CA

Hi Dave-- I hadn't read this post of yours when I replied to the previous one regarding 1591 and 1691. Sorry about that. Regards, Sandy

Hello to all-- Dave Dickman says that Richard Sanford died 16 Nov 1691 -- I believe it should be 1591. I'm not here to criticize please. However, between mid-1995 and mid-1996, I wrote 50--60 snail mail and E-mail letters trying to find the source that said that Richard (the above-mentioned person), b 1533, was the son of Richard, b 1490, because that's what is in the LDS Ancestral File. NO ONE has that source -- it is only wishful thinking!!! Take care, Sandy Sanford (male) in San Diego Co., CA

Looking for the Ann Sanford who married #1 Jacob Ramey c1700, #2 Richard Omohundra c1735 in Westmoreland VA...... Some records that I have run into say that Robert and Ann SMITH Sanford were her parents....... I am looking for proof of marriage and proof of parentage...any help would be appreciated...just starting to work on this line. Have a great day...The sun is OUT here in Southern AZ today. :) J. <>< The best form of spiritual excercise is to touch the floor regularly with your knees. <>< <><

[Sorry for the repeat. One typo and one omission caught too late.] At 10:38 PM 3/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >I am a descendant of Robert and Ann (---) Sanford of Hartford, CT. Robert > ... these include an amazing group of gentry in Cheshire, Shropshire >and Essex. I had never before seen any information on Robert's parentage, and Dave, Carlton Sanford had research done by Charles A. Hoppin (completed in Jan, 1910) on his ancestor Thomas Sanford, b. 1607/8 in Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex, England. The resulting 39 page article, "Medieval Origin of the Sanfords," serves as the cornerstone of his two volume work, "Thomas Sanford, The Emigrant to New England, etc." Among the things that are documented is the fact that Thomas, Andrew and Robert (at least) were brothers, and that the farthest one can follow their ancestors is to their Great Grandfather, Richard Sanford, d. 16 Nov 1591, Stanstead Mountfitchet, Essex, England. It sounds as though you have been exposed to a more elaborate lineage -- that is a myth. It had already been circulated when the research noted above was conducted, and is convincingly dismissed. The basic information from Carlton's work may be found at the site below. A more complete treatment will (eventually) be completed at my new site: <http://www.rootsweb.com/~softbear/>. (This is NOT an official announcement -- I don't have my surname links there yet. ;-) Be careful out there! Even with the best of intentions, errors are made. There are some issues with my 'old' site that I hope to have cleaned up before it is posted to the new one, but the cleanup and source entries are tedious: I'm sure I will have a whole new crop of errors to tackle by the time I get through it once. Feel free to browse, and don't hesitate to let me know what you think. Always good to meet another Cousin! Dave Dickman mailto:[email protected] http://www.netcom.com/~softbear/my_pages.html

At 10:38 PM 3/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >I am a descendant of Robert and Ann (---) Sanford of Hartford, CT. Robert > >England), and these include an amazing group of gentry in Cheshire, Shropshire >and Essex. I had never before seen any information on Robert's parentage, and > Dave, Carlton Sanford had research done by Charles A. Hoppin (completed in 1910) on his ancestor Thomas Sanford, b. 1607/8 in Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex, England. The resulting 39 page article, "Medieval Origin of the Sanfords," serves as the cornerstone of his two volume work. Among the things that are documented is the fact that Thomas, Andrew and Robert (at least) were brothers, and that the farthest one can follow their ancestors is to their Great Grandfather, Richard Sanford, d. 16 Nov 1691, Stanstead Mountfitchet, Essex, England. It sounds as though you have been exposed to a more elaborate lineage - that is a myth. It had already been circulated when the research noted above was conducted, and is convincingly dismissed. The basic information from Carlton's work may be found at the site below. A more complete treatment will (eventually) be completed at my new site: <http://www.rootsweb.com/~softbear/>. (This is NOT an official announcement -- I don't have my surname links there yet. ;-) Be careful out there! Even with the best of intentions, errors are made. There are some issues with my 'old' site that I hope to have cleaned up before it is posted to the new one, but the cleanup and source entries are tedious: I'm sure I will have a whole new crop of errors to tackle by the time I get through it once. Feel free to browse, and don't hesitate to let me know what you think. Always good to meet another Cousin! Dave Dickman mailto:[email protected] http://www.netcom.com/~softbear/my_pages.html

Hello To Everyone, I posted this query a while back but thought I would give it another try. My ancestral line of SANFORDS goes back to RICHARD SANFORD, born in Stanstead, Essex, England in1533 and died in 1591. My grandfather was HENRY RUSSELL SANFORD, son of CHARLES BOUTON SANFORD and Nellie Cecelia FITCH SANFORD. Charles and Nellie had 9 children, all born in Norwalk, Ct. My grandfather's brother, GEORGE CLAYTON SANFORD was born 8-30-1886. As a child, I can remember my Grandfather always bringing up the fact that he wondered what ever happened to his brother George. It seems George left the family unit at the age of 24 and was never heard from again. As I started to learn a little about genealogy, I decided to try and found out what ever happened to him. I have come across absolutely no record of him anywhere. Perhaps, he changed his name? My Mom, now 80, still talks and wonders about him. If anyone can give me any information, I would appreciate it so much. Barb McDonald

This George Crittendon Samford was the son of William Amasa Samford and Sarah Evelina (Webb) Samford according to the following obituary. .....Shirley Holmquist Reprinted from The Champion, Center, Texas August 28, 1929 "Crit" SAMFORD DEAD AFTER LONG ILLNESS; FUNERAL HELD SUNDAY G.C. Crit Samford. 77 years old died at his home here Saturday. after a prolonged illness. He is survived by his widow. 5 sons. Jesse Samford of Center, E.D. and V.G. Samford of El Dorado. Ark., L.R. Samford of Crane, Texas. Lee Samford of Marshall. Texas: and three daughters. Mrs. Walter T. Bounds of Center. Mrs. W.C. Worsham of Buna, Texas and Mrs. J.T. Owens of Overton. Texas. Funeral services were held Sunday afternoon at Fairview cemetery by his pastor. Rev. Frank E. Luker of the First Methodist church. Mr. Samford had been a devout member of the Methodist church for many years. He was a kind indulgent father, devoted husband, staunch friend and a good citizen. He was held in high esteem by all who knew him and his removal from the activities of life will be deeply regretted by the entire community. Reprinted from The Champion September 18, 1929 IN MEMORIUM G.C. Samford oldest son of Amalie and Sarah Samford was born April 13. 1852, died August 24, 1929 at Center, Texas. He was born in Shelby county where he lived his entire life of 77 years, four months and 11 days. He fell asleep in Jesus. after a lingering illness of several months. "Uncle Crit" as he was affectionately called had been a member of the Southern Methodist church for nearly 60 years and he left the assurance with his sorrowing family that he had passed from earth to heaven. And we are trusting that by and by we will be an unbroken family in that home beyond the skies, where there will be no more and parting, sorrow or death. He leaves his wife and seven children. 21 grandchildren. 5 great-grandchildren. 6 brothers and one sister to mourn his passing away. but we realize our loss is his gain. Just another one gone on to await our coming. Two children. a son and a daughter had preceded him to that better land. Five of his children were with him in his last hours: Mrs. W.T. Bounds and Jesse Samford of Center, Mrs. W.C. Worsham of Buna, Texas. Eddie and Victor Samford of El Dorado. Ark.. Mrs. J.T. Owens of Overton and Lottie Samford of Crane, Texas were absent. Several of his grandchildren and four of his brothers and his only living sister, Mrs. R.G. January were with him. Funeral services were held at his home. Conducted by Rev. FE. Luker and Rev. C.V. Dunn. Burial was in the Fairview cemetery. Many flowers were placed on his grave by his good friends. There we left his body to return to the dust while his spirit wafted home to that glory land. We feel that God will say to him, Well done thou good and faithful servant enter thou into the joy of thy Lord, His Son. -----Original Message----- From: SSanfordG <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 5:17 PM Subject: Sanford Mystery #1 >Hi Everyone > >I would appreciate if all answers are sent to list. In this way many can >contribute if they see something that they have information on. > >From: [email protected] (Dan Capps) >Sandie.... > >I have searched most of my records & sources for Pernicia Slaughter and >can find nothing new. I do have a zerox of a picture of "Fannie & John >Slaughter >Samford" No other information. I think I got the picture from Jackie Hilton >who is Supt of Schools in Pineland TX. >(from me: Can anyone validate that John Slaughter Samford's parents were Uriah >Samford and Pernicia Slaughter? or Elkanah Samford?) > >One individual who puzzles me is George Crittenden Samford. He shows up >in "Our Dead" (which is a cemetery listing for Shelby county) b. 13 Apr 1852 >d. 24 >Aug 1929 f. Elkanah Samford but he shows up in the family of William Amasa >Samford. There is also an earlier George Crittenden Samford born in 1815. >(Another of Elkana's children Mary Ann married a George Crittenden Bittick) > >Census 1880 Shelby Co. TX SD1 ED87 p. 45/24 #346 >1860 census list J S age 6; 1870 census lists John S. age 17; NOT shown in >Elkanah's bible record; Mazell lists as child of Elkanah's; There is a picture >of an individual identified as John Slaughter Samford who appears to be about >60 to 70 years old.; Is he a twin of Josephine's?; Fannie Pearl Samford Stone, >who was a >grand daughter of Elkanah Sr. stated that there were several sets of twins in >his family. >

Thanks to Shirley and all the others who have replied to the "Mysteries" It sure is appreciated Sandie

I am a descendant of Robert and Ann (---) Sanford of Hartford, CT. Robert died in 1676, and was previously thought to have married Ann Adams, though this has been proven wrong. I recently found a website that purports to identify Robert's parents and ancestors (his father supposedly being one Ezekial Sanford of Co. Essex, England), and these include an amazing group of gentry in Cheshire, Shropshire and Essex. I had never before seen any information on Robert's parentage, and am interested in tracking down the source of this information. The website owner said he traced it to an Annie Sanford of Carmel, CA who submitted it to the LDS. I am interested in the sources she relied on in putting together this information. Can anyone else help? Has there been a breakthrough on this line while I wasn't looking? Dave Morehouse [email protected]

John Warner was the father of Rose Warner, mother of Thomas, Andrew, Robert and probably Zachary Sanford, and of Andrew Warner, who came to America with the Sanford brothers. His will, filed on 16 July 1614, not 1585. is printed in Carlton Sanford's book, to wit: "Commissary Court of London, Essex and Herts. (Filed Will.) 16 July, 12 James I. (1614) "In the name of God, Amen. I, John WARNER of Hatfeild Broakoke alias Hatfeild Kings, Co. Essex, yeoman, now sicke in bodie but whole and sound of mynde and memory, &c. "Item. I give and bequeath unto Mary my wief all those my freehould lands, &c., in Hatfeild, she paying Elizabeth WARNER my daughter 10 pounds a yeare for six yeares, and to Thomas, John and Ezechiell three of the sonnes of Ezechiel SANDFORD my sonne in law 3 pounds 6s. 8d. apiece at 21, and to Andrewe WARNER and Edward WARNER my sonnes 50s. apiece yearly. "To Thomas WARNER my grandchild 20 pounds at 21. "To John my sonne one year's rent or profit. "To said wife Mary three load of wheat strawe yearly, &c., to be brought to hir and delivered by Thomas my sonne, &c. "To Rose my daughter the best chest save one, &c. "The resideue to Thomas my sonne, executor. "Xphfer WILKYN and Abraham PURCAS to be my overseers. "his John X WARNER mark. "Witnesses. Ezeakell SANFORD, Christofer WILKIN, Robert HOWE. (no note of probate.)" Don't know his birth date, but after you've corrected the death date, 1568 seems reasonable. Have you asked any of these researchers for documentation? -----Original Message----- From: SSanfordG <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 5:26 PM Subject: Sanford Mystery #8 >Anyone have any more input on the birthdate of this gentleman???? > > John\Johan /Warner/ >BIRT DATE ABT 1568 >Hatfield, Essex, England >DEAT DATE 16 JUL 1614 >Hatfield, Essex, England > >Researcher: [email protected](Mark and Glorene Winfield Stevens)1568 > >Researcher: [email protected]( W D Sanford)His source says dob was >1568 and that he md Mary Purchase in 1578; if so, then he was 10 > years old at the time!!! Will Dated 1585 > >

Before getting into the Sarah mystery...the Emigrants were Thomas Sanford and his brother Andrew (along with a couple of other siblings). They were two different people. (See Carlton Sanford's book). Sarah's name wasn't wife, she WAS Thomas's wife. Every time I see a last name given for Sarah or Dorothy (if she existed) and ask for documentation, I never get an answer. Be very careful of accepting any wife for Thomas unless they show the evidence. And if you do get it...please post it to the list. I have asked several "researchers" to show me the proof, and they don't answer. -----Original Message----- From: SSanfordG <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 5:22 PM Subject: Sanford Mystery #5 >Has anyone found anything definate on the followin puzzle? > > Thomas Andrew /Sanford/ The. Immigrant. >1 BIRT DATE 1607-1608 >PLAC Hertshire, Essex, Eng. >DEAT DATE 9 OCT 1681 >PLAC Milford, New Haven Co., CT >Researcher: [email protected] (Dennis Gene BeMent)Has Thomas born in 2 T >Hatfield,Essex, England >Researcher: [email protected] ( W D Sanford)has dod as Sep 1681 >Researcher: [email protected] (John D. Sanford)Eng>MA>Milford CT >Researcher: [email protected] (Frank, Brenda, Brittany Youmans)has date of >death as Sept 1681 >1 NAME Sarah - /Sanford/ > DATE 1610 >PLAC Suffolk, England >DEAT >DATE 14 MAY 1681 >PLAC Dorchester, Suffolk Co., MA >I also have information that says Sarah last name was Wife and she >died 14 May 681 in Milford, CT. Any clarification on this? > > >From:[email protected] (Franki Loring) >Claytons Quarto Diary for 1883 by Charles H. Clayton & CO >LDS Film # 0003024 Milford Familes, Milford, CT >States the following: >Thomas Sanford, Dorchester 1634 Milford 1639 had wives 1. Dorothea 2. Sarah >sisters, daughters of Henry Meadows. > >Researcher: [email protected](Amy L Kobs)has Sarah's last name as Walker. >Babtism: 15 Dec 1642 and admitted to Milford Church > >Researcher: [email protected] (Dennis Gene BeMent) Has Sarahs last >name as Meadows > >Researcher: [email protected] ( W D Sanford)Has Sarahs dob as abt 1615 >in MA., perhaps Dorchester. > >I have yet another researcher that states that Sarah was born 1615 in >Dorcherster MA. died and buried 14 May 1681 in Milford, New Haven, CT. > >Researcher: [email protected] (John D. Sanford) Has wifes name as Sarah >as Sarahor Dorothea. Eng>Dorchester, MA> Milford, CT > >

Hi, Thanks for the answer...I was asking because of a question listed at the research site. This was a question that was in the files there and I am in the process of updating the site. Right now the site is unavailable. I will post when it is available again. The url is Http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/4453 thanks so much Sandie

In a message dated 98-03-25 17:19:12 EST, you write: << Census 1850 Tuscloosa Co., AL p. 206A Dist. 2 #171/171 9 Nov 2) 22 Feb 1839 Tuscaloosa Co. AL p. 199 Absolom Samford to Isaiah Samford (is this Absolom or Absolom Jr. ?? father to son or brother to brother?) >> I'm not sure I know what you are asking, but Absolom, Sr. was father to Isaiah and Absolom, Jr. was brother to Isaiah. Isaiah also named one of his sons Absolom. Also, Isaiah S. Sanford's actual birthdate was 12 Jan., 1816 in Buncomb Co., NC. He reported this when he took the oath of allegiance after the Civil War. He was my gggrandfather. If this doesn't answer your question, please e-mail and I will try to give a better answer. Also, I have lost my list of favorite places. Would you please send me the address of the Sanford Research page again?

Anyone have any more input on the birthdate of this gentleman???? John\Johan /Warner/ BIRT DATE ABT 1568 Hatfield, Essex, England DEAT DATE 16 JUL 1614 Hatfield, Essex, England Researcher: [email protected](Mark and Glorene Winfield Stevens)1568 Researcher: [email protected]( W D Sanford)His source says dob was 1568 and that he md Mary Purchase in 1578; if so, then he was 10 years old at the time!!! Will Dated 1585

1 NAME Isaiah S /Sanford/ 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE JAN 1818 2 PLAC NC? 1 DEAT 2 DATE 5 DEC 1867 Researchers: [email protected](Jimmy Coker) Census 1850 Tuscloosa Co., AL p. 206A Dist. 2 #171/171 9 Nov 2) 22 Feb 1839 Tuscaloosa Co. AL p. 199 Absolom Samford to Isaiah Samford (is this Absolom or Absolom Jr. ?? father to son or brother to brother?)

Anyone have anything definate on this yet???? 1 NAME Elizabeth- /Sanford/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 1537 2 PLAC Stanstead, Mountfitchet, Essex, England 1 DEAT 2 DATE 15 SEP 1600 2 PLAC Stanstead, Mountfitchet, Essex, England 1 NOTE There is controversy over Elizabeth's last name..some say that it was 2 CONT Coggleshall and some say that is incorrect. Researcher: [email protected] (Dennis Gene BeMent)Has last name as ? Researcher: [email protected](Mark and Glorene Winfield Stevens)Has Elizabeth as daughter of John Coggeshall Researchers:[email protected] (Franki Loring)Frankie believes the name to be Coggeshall daughter of John Coggeshall Researcher: [email protected] states there is no proof that Elizabeth's last name Coggeshall.He also has date of marriage as 1557

Has anyone found anything definate on the followin puzzle? Thomas Andrew /Sanford/ The. Immigrant. 1 BIRT DATE 1607-1608 PLAC Hertshire, Essex, Eng. DEAT DATE 9 OCT 1681 PLAC Milford, New Haven Co., CT Researcher: [email protected] (Dennis Gene BeMent)Has Thomas born in 2 T Hatfield,Essex, England Researcher: [email protected] ( W D Sanford)has dod as Sep 1681 Researcher: [email protected] (John D. Sanford)Eng>MA>Milford CT Researcher: [email protected] (Frank, Brenda, Brittany Youmans)has date of death as Sept 1681 1 NAME Sarah - /Sanford/ DATE 1610 PLAC Suffolk, England DEAT DATE 14 MAY 1681 PLAC Dorchester, Suffolk Co., MA I also have information that says Sarah last name was Wife and she died 14 May 681 in Milford, CT. Any clarification on this? From:[email protected] (Franki Loring) Claytons Quarto Diary for 1883 by Charles H. Clayton & CO LDS Film # 0003024 Milford Familes, Milford, CT States the following: Thomas Sanford, Dorchester 1634 Milford 1639 had wives 1. Dorothea 2. Sarah sisters, daughters of Henry Meadows. Researcher: [email protected](Amy L Kobs)has Sarah's last name as Walker. Babtism: 15 Dec 1642 and admitted to Milford Church Researcher: [email protected] (Dennis Gene BeMent) Has Sarahs last name as Meadows Researcher: [email protected] ( W D Sanford)Has Sarahs dob as abt 1615 in MA., perhaps Dorchester. I have yet another researcher that states that Sarah was born 1615 in Dorcherster MA. died and buried 14 May 1681 in Milford, New Haven, CT. Researcher: [email protected] (John D. Sanford) Has wifes name as Sarah as Sarahor Dorothea. Eng>Dorchester, MA> Milford, CT

There is an entry in the family record of the Edward Washington Bible. DAR Records that states that Edward Sanford departed this life Sunday 5th Jun 181?(7) at 9 AM aged 62. There is an entry here also about Margaret Sanford died 5th July 1817. I am not sure which Margaret or Edward this is. Does anyone have a clue?

Hi, Here is another one Mary Smith or Muse? Originally had Muse as the questionable name but ran across info that says she was a Smith. Can anyone confirm one way or another? She was the wife of John /Remey\Remy/ born 27 SEP 1700 in Westmoreland Co., VA