Just finished answering a message sent to me and Elizabeth -- in it there was some interesting stuff about the Sandage persons in England. although I don't see that he has proven this lineage it does mention a specific area of England and perhaps this is where all our Sandage/Sandridge/Sandidge's came from??? Also note the comment abou the people dying and the dates. I am sending here what I responded, and the parts of the original letter are shows as such (with >>>'s): If anyone has info on any of these persons he mentions here as Nathan's ancestors I would like to know more. Same with my comment about how I have been told (unproven to date) of Nathan's parents -- am still looking for evidence that Nathan was their son and either wills or some mention of him with them, etc. Here was my response to Elizabeth and Dean: I am wondering where James Sandage, of Oklahoma City, got this info -- >"Direct Descendants of Eliae Sandage >1 Eliae SANDAGE b: Abt. 1610 >.. + JOANNAE >...2 Robtus SANDAGE b: Jul 23, 1643 in Glemsford, Suffolk, England >.....3 ??? SANDAGE b: Abt. 1675 >........4 ??? SANDAGE b:Abt. 1710 >...........5 Nathan SANDAGE b: Abt. 1750 in Ireland d: Apr 5, 1819 in >Union [County], SC > *2nd Wife of Eliae Sandage:" > ****** >Next to items 3, 4, and 5 above, James has hand-written "conj." by which >I expect he means "conjecture." Reason I say this is that up until this message we had always been told that Nathan was son of Thomas Sandage/Sandidge/Sandridge b 1691 (who married Feb 20, 1711/12 Albemarle Co, VA to Frances Choppell/Chappell) -- we had never proven this and had further been told that Thomas' parents were John Sandidge, b ca 1666 England-d 1708 New Kent, VA and Mary Vaughn, b ca 1670 England and d ca 1707VA), and Thomas' grandfather was Col James (Thomas) Sandidge/Sandwich, b ca 1620 England. We have never proven or disproven the above, plus it was said Nathan was born 1754 Albemarle Co, VA. Again neither proven or disproven (Mrs. Terry of Perry Co was one who gave me this above info and I have never gotten her to tell me where she got it (I am going through her dau-in-law asking). Second thing I noted is that it shows Nathan as dying Apr 5, 1819 Union Co, SC -- that is the date the will was recorded or probated AFTER he had died (if memory serves correctly -- I just wonder if he actually found the death notice or some place that showed that as same day he died. I had notes that since the wife and children left SC for Indiana in 1812 then it was believed that he had died before 1812. Talking about the will -- I sure wish I could get hold of the sales and inherritance stuff on the land that Nathan left his wife and 3 sons. As for his ancestry it sounds like this is James Emanuel Buford Sandage, b Jun 13, 1923 you are corresponding with??? If so then his heritage was: Nathan Thomas Moses Thomas & Clarissa Jeffries Emanuel (brother of your Moses) & Ella L. Paxton (his 2nd wife) Wayne Marion & Beatrice May Anderson James (him) of Okla City, OK & Helen Hayes That would make Emanuel his grandfather, not his father. Took me a few minutes to straighten it out since you, Dean, had mentioned Thomas II (who I have as Thomas' son, Thomas, not his grandson) But I get confused sometimes too what with so many names being the same. Read between (below) for more comments: >Dear E--- > >Ironic that you should mention James Sandage of Okalhoma City, because I >have just received a "real" letter from him. You seem to be correct that >his father was Emanuel ("Manuel"), brother of Moses II, sons of Thomas >II. He wrote to me after seeing a letter I wrote to Elizabeth (Sandage) >Browning some months ago. >In addition to several pages of notes on Sandages he lists in two and a >half pages of small type the descendants of Thomas and Clarissa. >Most interesting, however, is some information I don't think I had ever >heard of before: > ***** >"Direct Descendants of Eliae Sandage >1 Eliae SANDAGE b: Abt. 1610 >.. + JOANNAE >...2 Robtus SANDAGE b: Jul 23, 1643 in Glemsford, Suffolk, England >.....3 ??? SANDAGE b: Abt. 1675 >........4 ??? SANDAGE b:Abt. 1710 >...........5 Nathan SANDAGE b: Abt. 1750 in Ireland d: Apr 5, 1819 in >Union [County], SC > *2nd Wife of Eliae Sandage:" > ****** >Next to items 3, 4, and 5 above, James has hand-written "conj." by which >I expect he means "conjecture." > >Following the he has some printed "Notes" on Eliae Sandage, as follows: > > LDS [probably Utah Mormon files] IGI 1994 Edition, source #950452 > Sometime during 1650 the language for recording christenings was >changed from Latin, "filius" (son of) and "filia" (daughter of), to >English, "sonne of" and "daughter of." > During the period 2 Feb., 1648 to 23 May 1662, a terrible plague hit >Glemsford. 208 children and 69 wives were buried - 20 children between >February and August of 1658 alone! This may explain why the Sandages, >and others no doubt, moved away. > That is quite interesting -- maybe the ships records and logs might reveal our ancestor coming to America during this timeframe or just after. > ***** >There is some additional information I do not think I had heard before, >and I need your assistance on this one... >First he reports that Charles' brother, Orville Glenn, first married >Grace Parmanm with no additional data on her. He then lists Orville's >2nd wife as Cora Frances Parman, married: Feb 24, 1918/19 d: Jan 13, >1965/66. From this union he reports two children: Weldon Glen, and Wanda >Mae, both in Missouri. I show first marriage to Cora Parman on Jul 24, 1919 Harrison Co, MO, she was born Dec 6, 1897 and d Jan 13, 1966. His second wife, Grace Parman they married Aug 8/17, 1967 or 71 (one person told me Aug 8th, another 17th). Grace was born Jan 24, 1905 and was sister of Cora's. I show that there were 3 children born, Harold David he didn't show above. >He then lists as Charles' FIRST WIFE the very same Cora Frances Parman, >but lists no marriage date, nor any progeny. He then lists Dorothy >Briggs as Charles' SECOND WIFE! (By the way, this also makes you, >according to his charts, Charles' 3rd wife, Elizabeth DANNER m: 1972.) >I think that Cora Frances Parman never married Charles and that this is >some strange kind of "typo" perhaps related to the geneology program >James says he uses, Family Tree Maker, v.4.4. >I'm nearly certain I'm correct here, but I want your definitive ruling >on the above before I suggest that James correct his files. He is mistaken in the Cora Parman marriage to Charles -- Charles wrote me and said Dorothy was his first wife and Elizabeth Anthea Smith his second wife. I am sure Elizabeth will tell you that too. He married to Dorothy on Aug 5, 1924 or 4th -- my scribbling was bad and I coulnd't read what it said. I show Charles' marriage to Elizabeth as Jul 18, 1971. My best, Judith Sandage Murphy (Judy M.)